Where are Sony's big titles from the PS2 days for PS3?!

[duffmanth]

The PS3 is more than 2 and a half years old now, and we've already seen some great exclusives like MGS4, LBP, GT5: Prologue, Killzone 2, and Resistance 1 & 2, among others, but some of Sony's biggest franchises still haven't debuted on the PS3, there hasn't even been a a lousy game trailer! I'm talking about games like Syphon Filter, Ico, Twisted Metal, Jak and Daxter, Shadow of the Colossus, and Sly Cooper among others.

It's great that Sony has debuted new franchises on the PS3 like Resistance, LBP, and Uncharted, but they need to get some of the above titles out ASAP on the PS3. Why the hell would they bring out the next Jak and Daxter game for the PS2?! I know a lot of other gamers are probably wondering about some of these things that I've mentioned. If Sony wants to keep releasing games for the PS2, that's great, but huge exclusive franchises like Jak and Daxter should be coming out on PS3.

[tubeway]

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[JunkTheMagicDragon]

Why the hell would they bring out the next Jak and Daxter game for the PS2?!

ps3 install base: 22mil
ps2 install base: 150+mil

granted, it's been a while since i've played a jak and daxter game, but it doesn't seem like that type of game would have much to gain from jumping to ps3 (individually rendered fur on jak, maybe?) and a hell of a lot of potential audience to lose. uncharted's in a different ballpark.

[duffmanth]

Yeah but this is my point, if some of those games like Ico and Jak were out already for the PS3, maybe there would be more PS3's out there. I realize that because there are 150 million PS2's out there it makes more sense from a financial standpoint to bring the game out for PS2, but it's games like Jak that Sony needs to get people to justify spending $400-500 on a PS3.

[kaedesdisciple]

... it's games like Jak that Sony needs to get people to justify spending $400-500 on a PS3.

So, Jak is killer app catalyst that will magically get people to shell out $400 on a new system purchase?

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Seriously, thank you, I needed that laugh.

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

God of war 3 so far is the ONLY game that has me even considering buying a Ps3 but so far the 360 is killing the ps3 with a huge library. Now if they release Persona 5 for the PS3 that'll be my deal breaker

[duffmanth]

Just to clarify my earlier post, I believe that "GAMES"...PLURAL (not just Jak) like Jak, Syphon Filter, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and others will make it easier for people to justify spending the $$ for a PS3. I'm not saying that one of these games alone will do this, but maybe if some of these games were already out or on the horizon, there might be more PS3's out there.

[The 1 2 P]

I'm talking about games like Syphon Filter

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only real Syphon Filter fan left. I also wish they'd bring back the Bust A Groove series. If not then someone else needs to publish it for a different system because those games were fun.

[kupomogli]

there hasn't even been a a lousy game trailer! I'm talking about games like Ico

Trico trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF3fED8EXl4

After all this time we only get a movie, but hey, atleast it gives proof they're working on it. I can almost guarantee this one isn't going to be out for atleast two years though.

[hellfire]

If a new sly cooper came out I would buy it. Sly cooper was a great series except for sly 2, dont even get me started on that one

[jahvybe]

So, Jak is killer app catalyst that will magically get people to shell out $400 on a new system purchase?

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Seriously, thank you, I needed that laugh.

Actually the funny thing is that I would totally buy a ps3 if a new jak game came out on it.

But I think your sarcasm is correct, and I am in the minority on that.

[chicnstu]

Actually the funny thing is that I would totally buy a ps3 if a new jak game came out on it.

It would me my most wanted game for the system, I wish they would go back to the "Jak and Daxter" platforming. But since the two sequels being gun focused and with almost every PS3/360 game that has a lot of money and time put into it these days being a shooter, it seems very unlikely.

[Bojay1997]

Just to clarify my earlier post, I believe that "GAMES"...PLURAL (not just Jak) like Jak, Syphon Filter, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and others will make it easier for people to justify spending the $$ for a PS3. I'm not saying that one of these games alone will do this, but maybe if some of these games were already out or on the horizon, there might be more PS3's out there.

Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are amazing games, but they don't exactly move systems. They appeal to the same hardcore gamers who chances are already have a PS3. Syphon Filter sort of has been overdone, especially after the umpteenth release on the PSP and the fact that there are many stealth action games far superior in this generation. Jak or Sly or even a good Spyro or Crash Bandicoot game could move some systems, but whether or not it's possible for the developers of these franchises to get out of their present rut of releasing mediocre games which only share a name and little else with these legendary franchises is anyone's guess.

[kupomogli]

Does Sony still own the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro series? Those two series seems to have turned into shovelware for various systems, mainly the GBA, last time I've seen the games.

[Buyatari]

Does Sony still own the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro series? Those two series seems to have turned into shovelware for various systems, mainly the GBA, last time I've seen the games.

God of War is the best shot they have at an exclusive system seller.

[kupomogli]

I wasn't saying they should release the games, I was asking if they still owned the properties. Someone above said they should make those games, but if they did, I guarantee they'd be multiplatform because Sony no longer owns them.

If you ask me though. I think their new IPs are better than just releasing rehash of their older IPs. God of War 3 is going to be a system seller definitely, and I see Gran Turismo 5 pushing a few systems, mainly to racing fans who don't already own a PS3. For hardcore gamers who don't own a PS3, Trico and Demon's Souls will probably push a few systems out as well.

Other than that. I don't think it much matters. When was the last first party game released by Microsoft? When was the last must buy exclusive title? Alot of the exclusives Microsoft has had, Sony is also getting along with additional content. The gap between the 360 and PS3 is starting to close, and if it keeps going this way, Sony is going to start pulling ahead of the 360.

Though if you ask me, Sony is still making the most stupid choices possible. Letting Atlus localize Demon's Souls was a dumb move atleast in a profit standpoint. They'll atleast get more sales with the Atlus logo on the title and gain profit from giving Atlus publishing rights, but the game was already translated. Sony could have just released a small printing and localized the back cover as well as removing all the asian postings and changing it to NTSC-U. If it sold well, Sony could have just reprinted. Instead they decide to let Atlus clean up the localization and get all the profit that they could have gotten. They lost FF13, lost GTA4, what dumb move is Sony going to make next? However, even though it seems a bunch of retards are heading Sony nowdays, it's still my favored company for this gen and I hope they do pull ahead(obviously not going to be ahead of Wii, but atleast where hardcore gaming is concerned.

[Nebagram]

I've been saying it for at least eternity but the PS3's best hope for an exclusive killer app right now sits with an FF7 remake. FF13 would've clinched the deal for many people but instead the FF fanboys have sworn off Sony altogether and are, er, not playing FF anymore (no, I don't get it either).

God of War 3 will attract a lot of buys, but it doesn't have the heavy impact with the masses that a GTA or an FF does.

[Dr. Dib]

Does Sony still own the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro series? Those two series seems to have turned into shovelware for various systems, mainly the GBA, last time I've seen the games.

No they don't. If I'm not mistaken, Universal owns those two properties. I think it had to do with them funding (or maybe owning) Naughty Dog and Insomniac Games when the two IPs were developed. Wikipedia history is unclear on this subject.

But yeah, I noticed the same thing about Jak and Daxter 4 (or whatever they called it) and God of War 2 when it was released. I guess Sony is just hoping to recoup losses. Of course they are ignoring PS3 users who sold their PS2 to get a PS3 without backwards compatibility. Now they can't even play the game without shelling out $100 for a new PS2.

[skaar]

I totally read that as titties.

[guitargary75]

More people own ps2.

[Snapple]

Maybe from a business standpoint, PS3 should bring more old franchises to the new system. Anyone on this board, however, should know that there are plenty of newer franchises that have put really high-quality games on the PS3. The library doesn't need help from dated crap like Twisted Metal. Screw sequelitis. What they are putting out is good stuff. And I say this as someone who ADORED his PS2 to pieces and still does.

[Buyatari]

More people own ps2.

I hear this all the time and wonder how true it really is.

I wonder how many people own the PS2 as the most current system or as the system they mostly play. System sales don't take into account those people that moved on to a 360 or to a Wii and they don't account for all the PS2s that died years ago.

I'd be curious to see sales numbers for big games like Madden 09 on PS3 vs those of PS2 or the newest version of Call of Duty etc. That might give us a better indication of ps2 users vs ps3 users.

[shopkins]

It would me my most wanted game for the system, I wish they would go back to the "Jak and Daxter" platforming. But since the two sequels being gun focused and with almost every PS3/360 game that has a lot of money and time put into it these days being a shooter, it seems very unlikely.

That would push me over too, but only if it was original "Jak and Daxter" style. I couldn't stand Jak II, couldn't even finish it, but the first was one of my favorite games on the console.

[Baloo]

I've been saying it for at least eternity but the PS3's best hope for an exclusive killer app right now sits with an FF7 remake. FF13 would've clinched the deal for many people but instead the FF fanboys have sworn off Sony altogether and are, er, not playing FF anymore (no, I don't get it either).

God of War 3 will attract a lot of buys, but it doesn't have the heavy impact with the masses that a GTA or an FF does.

I'm pretty sure nothing short of an entirely new game that's a super exclusive Killer App a la Sonic the Hedgehog would save the PS3 now, not some FF7 remake. And that would probably be licensed out to M$ anyway.

I have the feeling that the PS3 is going to bomb amidst the popularity of the Wii, and the money stranglehold of the Xbox 360.

[Nature Boy]

ISyphon Filter sort of has been overdone, especially after the umpteenth release on the PSP and the fact that there are many stealth action games far superior in this generation.

I disagree - seven games total (matching the Metal Gear series), the last of which was released in 2007, is not overdoing it. And besides, SF was always more action, less stealth, which I've always enjoyed.

I don't own a PS3, but a great SF game would start me thinking I might like one.

[The 1 2 P]

I disagree - seven games total (matching the Metal Gear series), the last of which was released in 2007, is not overdoing it. And besides, SF was always more action, less stealth, which I've always enjoyed.

I don't own a PS3, but a great SF game would start me thinking I might like one.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[swlovinist]

Sony could make alot of friends if they would just add PS2 support back to the PS3...problem solved :)

[kupomogli]

I kindof doubt the majority care about backwards compatibility now. Sony's lost quite a few people without the backwards compatibility, but you have to think. Alot of these people with PS2's ended up trading in games and hardly had a ton of games that they could repeatedly play. Then there is the people who are the obvious graphics whores who I guarantee probably don't play anything less than PS360 nowdays. Some who keep a few of the absolute favorite titles, and then others who keep all their games that don't suck or even those who keep them regardless if they suck or not.

The fact that most of the PS2 games in retail stores are used though there are quite a few that are worth owning, there definitely isn't the catalog of PS2 games out there when the PS3 wasn't on the market. So even if Sony reannounced backwards compatibility, I doubt everyone would jump on one and would probably just sell a bit more for awhile, but then after those that do collect and do keep their old good games have them, there's everyone else who doesn't.

Then there's also that alot of the people who wanted a PS3 with backwards compatibility also probably already has one with said option. Not all, but alot.

[duffmanth]

Yeah GOWIII will probably be the only PS3 system seller this year, unless GT5 makes it out?!

[exit]

Just to clarify my earlier post, I believe that "GAMES"...PLURAL (not just Jak) like Jak, Syphon Filter, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and others will make it easier for people to justify spending the $$ for a PS3.

You seem to be forgetting that Ico sold extremely poorly when it was released, it wasn't until much later that people started to care about the game, of course by then it could easily be found for under $9 at most retail stores. Shadow of Colossus managed to break the Greatest Hits barrier (which still surprises me to this day), but I'm sure the fanbase that Ico generated over the years + great critical reception helped pull that one off.

[duffmanth]

Again I'm not just saying that Ico or Jak alone will help the PS3, but those games along with many others combined.

[swlovinist]

I kindof doubt the majority care about backwards compatibility now. Sony's lost quite a few people without the backwards compatibility, but you have to think. Alot of these people with PS2's ended up trading in games and hardly had a ton of games that they could repeatedly play. Then there is the people who are the obvious graphics whores who I guarantee probably don't play anything less than PS360 nowdays. Some who keep a few of the absolute favorite titles, and then others who keep all their games that don't suck or even those who keep them regardless if they suck or not.

The fact that most of the PS2 games in retail stores are used though there are quite a few that are worth owning, there definitely isn't the catalog of PS2 games out there when the PS3 wasn't on the market. So even if Sony reannounced backwards compatibility, I doubt everyone would jump on one and would probably just sell a bit more for awhile, but then after those that do collect and do keep their old good games have them, there's everyone else who doesn't.

Then there's also that alot of the people who wanted a PS3 with backwards compatibility also probably already has one with said option. Not all, but alot.

When I go into the countless game stores in my area, this is what the game store employees say is the #1 reason why customers have not bought a system....and the fact that it is still $400. I even heard a story of a person who was about to be rang up for a system, found out it wasn't backwards compatible, and instead bought a 360.

There is not enough credit given to the fact that backwards compatibility is something that people may not necessarily use every day, but is something that is a huge selling point and these days is expected.

The other fact that it hurts Sony so much is that they marketed the PS3 as the "everything machine" for the get go. It was the system that could go online, play DVD, Blu Ray, and CDs. To take a basic feature such as playing PS2 games out of a $400 game machine is really, really stupid.

I know that Sony was losing money on the system before, but now that they are making a profit, this would be good time to reconsider the BC issue. At least around here and when I visit California, the game stores that I visit(approx 50 or so) all say the same thing...people are pissed about the PS3 not having BC, and it was a huge determining factor on whether or not to upgrade.

[chicnstu]

When I go into the countless game stores in my area, this is what the game store employees say is the #1 reason why customers have not bought a system....and the fact that it is still $400. I even heard a story of a person who was about to be rang up for a system, found out it wasn't backwards compatible, and instead bought a 360.

There is not enough credit given to the fact that backwards compatibility is something that people may not necessarily use every day, but is something that is a huge selling point and these days is expected.

The other fact that it hurts Sony so much is that they marketed the PS3 as the "everything machine" for the get go. It was the system that could go online, play DVD, Blu Ray, and CDs. To take a basic feature such as playing PS2 games out of a $400 game machine is really, really stupid.

I know that Sony was losing money on the system before, but now that they are making a profit, this would be good time to reconsider the BC issue. At least around here and when I visit California, the game stores that I visit(approx 50 or so) all say the same thing...people are pissed about the PS3 not having BC, and it was a huge determining factor on whether or not to upgrade.

Do people get mad that BC isn't in the PS3 because they planned on selling their PS2 to save on buying the PS3? Or are they mad because if they want to play PS2 games they'll have to take 2 minutes to plug in the power and AV cord? Both?

[Bojay1997]

Do people get mad that BC isn't in the PS3 because they planned on selling their PS2 to save on buying the PS3? Or are they mad because if they want to play PS2 games they'll have to take 2 minutes to plug in the power and AV cord? Both?

I think it's a psychological thing more than anything else. I bought a launch PS3 and I love the idea that it's backwards compatible and I know many of my friends have told me they don't want a newer PS3 because it's not fully backwards compatible. Of course, I have never once played a PS2 or PS1 game on my PS3 and I doubt my friends would either.

[monkeychemist]

I don't know, I bought into the hype making sure that mine was BC with PS2. How many PS2 games have I played on the PS3? One, once... I think it's more about the hype of having it there rather than usability. Sony, should focus on their new games rather than bring BC back...

[Snapple]

Sony taking away backwards compatibility and making the PS3 cheaper allowed me to buy one. I can still play PS2 games because I HAVE A PS2. So really I haven't lost anything. And it's not like people would get much by trading in their PS2 anyway. I don't feel inferior by owning a PS3 that's not backwards compatible. I can still play every PS3 game and every PS2 game.

[kupomogli]

Me and a friend both own backwards compatible PS2s. I rarely play any PS2 games on my PS3 because I've yet to get a memory card adapter STILL. The only time my friend plays any PS2 and PSX games is whenever I'm there and the rare chance we'll play a game like Bloody Roar 2 or Bloody Roar 3. The only time I'll play a PS2 game on my PS3 is if I want to start a new game, and that's been rare as of late.

I'd play more PS2 titles if I had that memory stick adapter though, but because I don't, my PS2 is still hooked up right beside it(the only two systems hooked up.) I play all my PSX games on my PSP, so the fact that the PS3 is PSX compatible makes no difference to me. None of my other systems are hooked up either as I emulate everything I own on my PSP(except N64.)

[Nature Boy]

Do people get mad that BC isn't in the PS3 because they planned on selling their PS2 to save on buying the PS3? Or are they mad because if they want to play PS2 games they'll have to take 2 minutes to plug in the power and AV cord? Both?

There's no anger - it's a psychological barrier. Most people probably wouldn't bother playing PS2 stuff on it *anyway.*

(I know I rarely do, even now, use my PS2 to play PS1 games - I just keep both connected. And I always *intend* to play Chaos Theory on my 360 but I always end up playing an actual 360 game anyway)

[CelticJobber]

I've never seen BC as that big of a deal. Back in the NES/SNES days it was never an issue. I think the current generation of gamers were just spoiled with PS1/PS2 compatibility.

And why would anyone pick a XBox 360 over a PS3 just because of BC? The 60% failure rate of Xbox 360's should be more than enough to overcome the PS3's lack of compatibility with PS2 games.

And to get back on topic, I was never really into Jak or any of those PS2 games (GTA3 was the main draw to PS2 for me), but I'm sure modern versions would make the PS3 a bit more attractive to some of the remaining PS2-owning holdouts.

And its really stupid for anyone to say "its too risky to make a PS3 incarnation of them because of PS2's wider user base". That would be as if Nintendo had said "why make Super Mario World on this new-fangled Super NES, when the NES has a much bigger fanbase?" back when the Super NES launched.

[The 1 2 P]

And why would anyone pick a XBox 360 over a PS3 just because of BC?

I'm not sure if thats anyones main reason for picking a 360 over the PS3. It's usually because of a better and larger library of games, the best online network of any console and the ability to always be able to interact with your friends, regradless of if you are playing different games or if some are watching movies or listening to music while you play games.

Back on topic, Sony should probably start making more of it's PS1 classics available thru download. From what I hear they have left out a huge majority of the titles that fans really want.

[MarioMania]

I would play PS2 games on the PS3..I only bought 1 PS3 Game Soul Calibur VI

[Emuaust]

what happend to soul calibur 5? I think you got your IV's and VI's confused.

[The 1 2 P]

what happend to soul calibur 5? I think you got your IV's and VI's confused.

Soul Calibur 5 was an Ngage exclusive. It was only available by sending in ten proofs of purchase upc barcodes from specific Ngage games. You also got a free bumper sticker with each order.

[carlcarlson]

For what it's worth I play more PS2 games on my Playstation 3 than anything else. I intentionally hunted down the 60 gig because BC is important to me. I've got about 100 PS2 games but don't want that extra system hooked up in the living room. So there you go, at least one person enjoys his BC!

[unwinddesign]

I haven't bought a PS3 because of the lack of BC. Plain and simple. If they added it back in, and made the damn thing smaller, I'd be all over it.

There's a ton of great PS2 games I never played, even owning a PS2 since launch. Stuff like Dragon Quest VIII, Yakuza 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Kingdom Hearts: Rechain of Memories (or whatever the hell it's called)...I'd like to play God of War 1 & 2 again and see if I could get through the first one. And this new Jak game? I'm all over that.

I've thought about buying another PS2, but the system is $100, it's $25 for a memory card, and $30 for a wireless controller. It's just not worth it. Sony's missing some opportunities...just keep the Greatest Hit line active, reprint some of them and stick them in the case next to the PS3 games for like $15. MGS3 for $15? I'd buy that at Wal*Mart on a whim, no problem, if I had a backwards compatible PS3.

Overall, I just think the PS3 is lacking in comparison to the 360. The 360 is a better media server, since it interfaces with Windows better, it has a better download service (no slow ass speeds), a better library and better online play. The PS2 library is so stellar that I think people underestimate how much effect it has on consumer's purchasing decisions. The graphics are still pretty good (to most anyway) and the games are cheap, plus there's dozens of AAA titles available.