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Anonymous
06-03-2003, 04:07 AM
Ok, I know this is a long post, but I am cutting and pasting this from a recent exchange I had with someone who used to work for GAINAX, and I wanted to get some opinions from you guys. Here is the original messsage I sent:


"Lea~

Ok, well, let me give you a little background first. I attended this year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), which is a venue for video game companies to generate hype about new software and products. One of the new products they showed was a media player for the Game Boy Advance. Using a proprietary software codec, a 24 minute episode is squeezed onto a 32mb SD memory card, and it plays on the game boy advance screen.

It's a really neat little piece of hardware that, as I understand it, is doing fairly well in Japan. The company, AM3, has licensed several shows (including Platonic Chain and I believe Hellsing, among others, and is backed by Bandai), and offers them as downloads for a couple bucks an episode. I think that a product like this would be really successful if proper marketing is applied, and some key licenses are secured. But there is a question.

I don't know how important subbing and dubbing are in anime files. As a big anime fan and Japanese major, I much prefer subbed series over dubbed series, not only because the original voice actors are almost always better, but because fansubbed series appear over here within days of being aired in Japan. But while there is a hardcore contingent of anime fans that prefer subtitles, I suspect the general public prefers dubbed material.

Now, companies like ADV and Manga have gotten a lot better at getting series licensed and released in the US (the standard now seems to be the first disc set being released within a week or two of the series' end in Japan), but that is still almost a year after the initial debut of the series on television.

I apologize if I'm treading over old material here. Here are my questions. How much of the turnaround time for a series is because of translating/synching/recording dubs? How much of the budget of a translation is spent on actors/studio time/mixing? How important do you think it is to have a series released with dubbed material? Do you think it would be possible to have the more mature material released with subtitles only? Or, do you think it would be possible to release material with a subtitle, and later make the dubbed version available (keep in mind that this material would be downloadable, so once a consumer purchases the license for an episode, the dubbed version will become available at a later date, eliminating redistribution/replacement product issues)?

Finally (I know, it's already long), how do you think something like this would best be marketed? The Game Boy Advance has sold millions of units in the US, mostly to pre-teens. Video games and anime are generally compatible, and properties such as Pokemon, Yu Gi Oh, and Dragonball routinely generate best selling video games. The idea that I had would be that, similar to Yu Gi Oh and Pokemon trading cards, Anime series would be sold on a business card sized CD ROM wrapped in foil and sold to retailers in the same packaging style as the Trading Card Games for POP sales. Each CD ROM would hold 4 episodes, and come with a 'trading card' or individual user license (possibly with a unique code) which can be used to sign on to an online database for tracking purchased episodes (this would allow downloads of updates, such as dubs as they become available). The foil packed CD ROMs would sell for between 2.99 and 4.99. The only issue I can see with this is the obvious lower price point, and the possibility of cutting into DVD sales. I don't think this will be a problem since the episodes will only be available for viewing on the Game Boy Advance, and the lower price point and POP marketing would increase sales (after the initial purchase of the 30 dollar SD card and adapter, only the CD purchases need be made).

I realize that this post has gotten really long and involved, and I understand if it's not your cup of tea. The main thing I'm interested in is where you stand on the importance/difficulty of dubbing anime series... ...I would love to see them succeed, if only to close the gap and make anime more accessible to the mainstream crowds.

Thanks for any input. "

If anyone here has information about some of the costs / responsibilities involved in dubbing/localization/translation, I would greatly appreciate that information. Also, any opinions on how something like this should be marketed would also be appreciated.

Anonymous
06-03-2003, 02:21 PM
*BUMP*

I'm also just interested in hearing whether something like this would be successful, and whether or not they'd buy something like it. I think the POP (point of purchase) option would be best, personally.

ManekiNeko
06-03-2003, 04:00 PM
It's my understanding that 4Kids Productions will be selling Game Boy Advance cartridges, each with two episodes of their most popular cartoon series. These won't be on smart cards or other forms of media; just cartridges that you can slip into a standard GBA. They'll sell each cartridge for about $20 and each one will include a small mini-game, perhaps similar in size and scope to the Pokemon e-card reader games.
I think it's kind of a silly idea, but the thousands of kids who own Game Boy Advance systems and who enjoy Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Kirby: Right Back At 'Ya would probably disagree.

JR

Anonymous
06-03-2003, 04:05 PM
20 dollars for two episodes seems like a lot to me. At E3 there were actually about 3 of the media player things for the GBA, but AM3 has the best technology, is the most affordable, and is most likely to succeed. One lady had one that had licensed dragonball z, but it was such poor quality, you could see the artifacting even on the GBA screen, and the original adapter was 70 dollars.

With the AM3 design, you buy the rights to the episode, so it's only 2 or 3 dollars an ep, and you only need one SD card for them all.

[EDIT] I just checked out 4kids' website, and it looks like they are using all their properties (Pokemon, Yu Gi oh, Kirby, etc.) to support it. This is bad, especially since AM3 hasn't been officially licensed in the US, Nintendo may go with 4kids instead.

Bratwurst
06-03-2003, 04:19 PM
I postulate that it would be difficult to keep up with subtitle text on a GBA screen.

Anonymous
06-03-2003, 04:22 PM
Well the nice thing about the AM3 software is that it supports subtitles and multiple audio tracks. So the text would be generated realtime and presumably could be adjusted to user preference. It would also allow you to switch between english and japanese.

Six Switch
06-03-2003, 05:51 PM
Sounds like a good idea,I'm just not sure if I would buy it.I am happy with my anime dvds. :/

RetroYoungen
06-03-2003, 08:32 PM
I like the concept, and I'll probably buy into it. I only have 2 anime DVDs, and I've watched them pretty much to death. Hopefully the costs won't be too high, I'm pretty broke.

Ed Oscuro
06-03-2003, 08:45 PM
If it can get kids interested in more grown-up (?) anime, I say it's a good idea.

However, I don't know how you'd market it. I think the age of people who'd pay for any sort of online service would be the same age group as those who pay monthly fees in online games...NOT kids.

I'd suggest recording episodes on these cards as read-only.

Also, if the thing's got a good enough latency, it could do wonders for games on the GBA. It might be possible to do what people always wanted the Phillips CD-i to accomplish: that is, movies and large animations mixed in with game content.

The only problem is that the portable Playstation is probably just around the corner...that would seem a more likely host for such a system, and of course it has a normal sized screen. Needs to be marketed for games as well as anime.

Anonymous
06-04-2003, 01:04 AM
Hmm maybe I didn't give enough info in the letter.

The device is a cart that an SD card plugs into. You don't pay for a monthly service, you buy the episode and it is downloaded on to the SD card. It's a proprietary format, and goes straight from the internet to the card on your GBA.

You would buy the episodes for a couple dollars each, and could but as many or as few as you wanted.

What I think would work best is since kids willl be using the service, a Point of purchase campaign with the episode on CD, or coming with a card allowing you do download an episode. The licensing would be different from DVD licensing, so you'd probably see episodes from the most recent season instead of waiting a couple of years for them to be released.

Ed Oscuro
06-04-2003, 07:22 PM
Doesn't matter if it's downloaded per viewing or a monthly fee--you're paying for something that ultimately will be done better on the handheld PlayStation -- and for not a terribly high price considering the increase in resolution, media capacity and sound quality.

Few people like paying for downloading old games, as an example, off the Internet. You don't get something you can hold or feel reasonably sure will still be around months and years from now. This seems to hold true for what you're proposing--you download something onto a media card that's quite limited in capacity. On the other hand, if you can manufacture some sort of unobtrusive CD-ROM (?) addition (if I'm tracking correctly with what you're saying) you'll get that something to hold. Doubtlessly there'll be naysayers--CD-ROM isn't holding as much as a DVD, but that really shouldn't be an issue.

I'm sure some people will absolutely die to be able to watch anime at 240x160 resolution on their GameBoy Advance SP, but they will be few and far between. If it seems that there's enough demand, try it out...but I don't see any.

Anonymous
06-04-2003, 07:48 PM
The thing about the PSP is that it won't be available for at least two years. I have a feeling the announcement was made only to steal the thunder from the nGage and cell phone markets (and to some extent the GBA/SP), and they're not ready to release anything for a long time. The AM3 device will be released in September, and there will be CDs with episodes on them.

Dahne
06-04-2003, 08:27 PM
Sorry if you mentioned it and I didn't catch it, but how much does the initial hardware cost? If it's reasonable, I'd definately buy one. As far as marketing goes, this sounds like the perfect thing to advertise on Cartoon Network (Especially during Adult Swim). Almost everyone you're advertising to would fit right into the target demographic; kids, and adults who like anime.

Anonymous
06-04-2003, 08:47 PM
I believe the MSRP is going to be around 30-40 for the adapter unit and SD card, and the episodes I believe will be a couple dollars. I think they are shooting for 2 dollars an ep, but I want to see at least 2-3 episodes for a 2.99 price point (same as the AC cards).