The Top Retail Bombs of the Current Gen

[CelticJobber]

This is a pretty interesting article:

http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/The-Top-Bombs-of-The-Current-Generation-Review-Scores-vs.-Sales-Data.html


I have to say, I'm kind of surprised at the retail failure of the new Punch Out. Its one of the few Wii games that made me want to buy the system.

[scooterb23]

Somehow, I don't think it's totally fair to call Punch Out a failure after 2 weeks, and nearly 200,000 copies sold during a time which I think is usually soft for game sales anyway.

Looking at a list of top selling games...it's the #2 best selling game that isn't packed in with a system, or some sort of fitness solution...so that seems to be pretty solid to me.

This seems to be the perfect place for a quote about lies, damn lies, and statistics...if only I could remember it :)

[CelticJobber]

I didn't mean that Punch Out is a total failure, just that I was expecting it to be a much bigger hit than it has been so far (admittedly only a few weeks). And it isn't selling nearly as well as most Nintendo-made Wii games usually do at stores in my area.

[heybtbm]

The comments section of the article is where the real hilarity is. So many Wii fanatics crying and making excuses. Who cares how many copies a game sells? If you look at the facts, a majority of the top selling games of this generation are Wii titles (all first party...cough). Even "bombs" seem to get sequels these days. Why do Wii owners take any implied slight towards "their system" so personally? Grow up.

[scooterb23]

Why do Wii owners take any implied slight towards "their system" so personally? Grow up.

You can truthfully make this exact comment about any fanboy of any system.

[old_skoolin_jim]

You can truthfully make this exact comment about any fanboy of any system.

Yeah, but I agree, the Nintendo ones always seem to be the most vocal (do I need to even mention EarthBound?). Maybe they should keep playing their mediocre Sonic games and stay off the internet.
I bought a Wii back in early '07, and a 360 last august, and honestly have barely played Wii since then, let alone buy games for it. Any captivating games are few and far between on the system.
As for Punch-Out, I'd give it a "meh-plus" grade. Good, but not anything ground-breaking. Could have used a few more original boxers, not stale remakes of 20-year-old characters.
/endrant

[scooterb23]

They're the most vocal for one of two reasons.

1. There are more of them.

2. They don't have any games to play on their system, so there is more time to be online fanboying their system.

:)

[crazyjackcsa]

I have a problem with a lot of that list. A lot of the games are pretty new. Boom Blox 2 is on there, it came out two weeks ago! Riddick hasn't been out that long either. I would think that a game should be out for at least 6 months before you could call it a bomb.

[BetaWolf47]

They're the most vocal for one of two reasons.

1. There are more of them.

2. They don't have any games to play on their system, so there is more time to be online fanboying their system.

:)

Yeah, but I agree, the Nintendo ones always seem to be the most vocal (do I need to even mention EarthBound?). Maybe they should keep playing their mediocre Sonic games and stay off the internet.
I bought a Wii back in early '07, and a 360 last august, and honestly have barely played Wii since then, let alone buy games for it. Any captivating games are few and far between on the system.
As for Punch-Out, I'd give it a "meh-plus" grade. Good, but not anything ground-breaking. Could have used a few more original boxers, not stale remakes of 20-year-old characters.
/endrant

The comments section of the article is where the real hilarity is. So many Wii fanatics crying and making excuses. Who cares how many copies a game sells? If you look at the facts, a majority of the top selling games of this generation are Wii titles (all first party...cough). Even "bombs" seem to get sequels these days. Why do Wii owners take any implied slight towards "their system" so personally? Grow up.

Hey guys, can we not stoop to GameFAQs message board users' level?

[Bojay1997]

I have a problem with a lot of that list. A lot of the games are pretty new. Boom Blox 2 is on there, it came out two weeks ago! Riddick hasn't been out that long either. I would think that a game should be out for at least 6 months before you could call it a bomb.

That's not how it works. With the exception of certain first party titles, if a game doesn't sell well in the first few weeks, it will never sell well. I agree that most of the titles on that list sold well below expectations, but I think it's a stretch to call some of those games "bombs". MadWorld and HOTD Overkill, as well as Bionic Commando are actual bombs in that they just didn't sell enough units to cover dev costs and probably never will. Punchout and some of the other titles sold well enough to cover dev costs and will probably continue to sell and actually make the publishers some money over time.

[scooterb23]

Dude, you want GameFAQs...I'll show you GameFAQs.

I would also suggest you get a better sarcasm detector. I even put the freaking smiling face in there, which is clearly a sign that I'm poking fun at the Nintendo fanboy stereotype.

If anyone takes my above comments seriously, I suggest that person gets a stack of sticky notes that say "breathe" because your brain is going to forget how to do it on its own soon.

:D

[kupomogli]

There are a couple things I did notice on this list.

The 360 has terrible sales for UT3. The PS3 version would be the best choice regardless of being the superior version(more people to play against.)

There's also Disgaea 3 on the PS3 selling on 570,000. That's much more than the 100,000 mark I'd have suspected a crappy series like that to sell.

[Nature Boy]

Somehow, I don't think it's totally fair to call Punch Out a failure after 2 weeks

Problem #1 with the list.

I think the idea is a pretty neat one overall, but the execution stinks. They should have left PunchOut out of it entirely, or done a list including only the first 2 weeks of sales for *all* games, or figured out a way to amortize the sales, or *something*.

Problem #2 I have is trying to make blanket statements on consoles. Sure their might be a lot of Wii titles on the list - but how many Wii titles were there overall? What was their overall AURA? How many were above a certain threshold? etc.

Problem #3 I had was with using GameRankings in general. Some games might have 10 reviews - others 100. And how many of those 100 are what would generally be called 'mainstream' versus 'fanboys of console Y'?

If I felt inclined to do so (and I do not), I'd restrict the list to:
- rankings from 10-20 'mainstream' sources only. No review in those sources means you are not included (if it's truly a 'blockbuster' game it should be reviewed everywhere, shouldn't it?).
- first six months sales only (or whatever is generally accepted to be a game's sweet spot - after all, when they introduce greatest hits pricing sales increase but not because the quality of the game has changed, but because the price has dropped!)

Then I'd do a bunch of analysis, looking at top games and bottom feeders and what lies in the middle and look for a parabola - if 75-85% of the games don't lie in the middle of the curve I'd probably go back to the drawing board.

[Bojay1997]

There are a couple things I did notice on this list.

The 360 has terrible sales for UT3. The PS3 version would be the best choice regardless of being the superior version(more people to play against.)

There's also Disgaea 3 on the PS3 selling on 570,000. That's much more than the 100,000 mark I'd have suspected a crappy series like that to sell.

That game (Disgaea 3) got distribution at lots of major retailers including TRU, Best Buy, Walmart, KMart and I suspect that people bought it on a whim when it hit $40 and probably regretted it. I am, however, still suspicious of those numbers given that the best selling NIS game prior to that and since has maybe done 100K units.

[namzep]

There are a couple things I did notice on this list.

The 360 has terrible sales for UT3. The PS3 version would be the best choice regardless of being the superior version(more people to play against.)

There's also Disgaea 3 on the PS3 selling on 570,000. That's much more than the 100,000 mark I'd have suspected a crappy series like that to sell.
Never miss a chance to bash Disgaea, do you? I'm curious what you play. Solely FPS?

[kupomogli]

Never miss a chance to bash Disgaea, do you? I'm curious what you play. Solely FPS?

Must have not looked at the last beaten list have you? One FPS will be on that list though I hate FPS titles.

I like actual "good" tactical/strategy RPG titles. Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, Brigandine, Arc the Lad 2, Wild ARMs XF, Fire Emblem, Shining Force, etc. Wild ARMs XF is one of the last tactical RPG titles released and the game is also one of the best. The Fire Emblem games are good, but they're broken as you can just level specific characters, get the ultimate weapons and the game is won like nothing(yet they're very text heavy and the storyline is easily the best part of the games, reason why they're good.)

With Disgaea, the storyline is few and far between and the AI was guaranteed to be built for retarded people(easily noticable due to how stupid the AI is.) There's really no character development as each human character is the same aside from stats and how fast you learn skills with a weapon(ooo wow, the strategy!) Easily one of the worst and I would rank Disgaea only slightly above on the scale than a game such as Eternal Eyes.

I wasn't much of a fan of Phantasy Star Online Episode 3, but even that was more fun than Disgaea.

[unwinddesign]

I liked Disagea 2, the only one in the series I've played. It's a good game. Great? No. But it's got a distinctly Japanese flair, and absolutely off the wall characters (Tink? holy shit.). It's not crappy by any means.

On topic, that list and statistics are so laughable I don't even know where to start. Review scores: sales really have no correlation whatsoever. It should really be the cost of the game to the amount of sales, as it is when calculating box office bombs. Unfortunately, since the development cost of games isn't publicly released often, it would be hard to make such a list. However, that would be the most accurate. Which games lost the most money?

I mean, shit, Daikatana was fucking terrible and sold underwhelmingly, but it made back budget, so it wouldn't be a flop. I bet Capcom made money on that Okami port for the Wii, since they had most of the assets in place already, and just had to do some coding/touch ups. That's not a flop or a bomb. It already sold 270,000 copies+ on the PS2; how many more was it going to sell on the Wii (280,000+ - note these numbers are from a long time ago)? It's a niche game, despite its quality, so Capcom knew that going in. It didn't cost Capcom 8 million bucks to port it to the Wii, so that's mainly profit.

And calling Punchout a bomb is a joke for so many reasons. I bet that game goes on to sell a million copies during the Wii's lifetime, if not more.

[The 1 2 P]

The 360 has terrible sales for UT3.

This is my theory: both UT3 and Virtual Fighter 5 would have sold wayyyyyyyy better on the 360.....had they been released on the same day as the PS3 version. I didn't read the whole article but I read where he said most games sell pretty evenly on both the 360 and PS3. Perhaps this is true but for multiplatform games released on the same day for the 360 and PS3--99% of the time the 360 version sells better/more copies.

So basically Epic and Sega missed out on a bunch of sales by releasing those games on the PS3 first. But again, thats just my theory....backed up by the sales numbers of games released for both systems on the same day. And this even goes for former Playstation exclusive series DMC and Resident Evil: the 360 versions sold more copies.

[Famidrive-16]

Poor Klonoa just bombs on every system doesn't he.

[Rob2600]

Poor Klonoa just bombs on every system doesn't he.

Klonoa isn't a "dark" game. There's no murder or cursing involved, so it must be for babies.

[SegaAges]

Yeah, but I agree, the Nintendo ones always seem to be the most vocal (do I need to even mention EarthBound?). Maybe they should keep playing their mediocre Sonic games and stay off the internet.
I bought a Wii back in early '07, and a 360 last august, and honestly have barely played Wii since then, let alone buy games for it. Any captivating games are few and far between on the system.
As for Punch-Out, I'd give it a "meh-plus" grade. Good, but not anything ground-breaking. Could have used a few more original boxers, not stale remakes of 20-year-old characters.
/endrant

More vocal you say?

More vocal then who, hehehe

[Cappadonna]

Sad how many quality titles are to be found on that list.

[Sonicwolf]

Sad how many quality titles are to be found on that list.

Yet Nintendogs sells like hotcakes. Go figure.

[BetaWolf47]

More vocal you say?

More vocal then who, hehehe

Well, between all of the gaming groups, it's current-gen Nintendo fans who put up with the most bull****. Trust me, I've seen it all. Sony fans have it pretty bad this time around too. It's just sad how elitist people can be.


I would also suggest you get a better sarcasm detector. I even put the freaking smiling face in there, which is clearly a sign that I'm poking fun at the Nintendo fanboy stereotype.
:D
It's a good thing we don't live in a world where smiling exempts you from criticism.

Nothing personal, it's just that this thread is starting to take things way too much into the political-type gaming discussions you see all over garbage boards like GameFAQs.

[DigitalSpace]

Punch-Out on the Wii bombed because it doesn't have Mike Tyson in it. Meanwhile, The Hangover has Mike Tyson in it and is dominating the box office.

:D (http://i42.tinypic.com/2ntwym8.jpg)

[kupomogli]

This is my theory: both UT3 and Virtual Fighter 5 would have sold wayyyyyyyy better on the 360.....backed up by the sales numbers of games released for both systems on the same day. And this even goes for former Playstation exclusive series DMC and Resident Evil: the 360 versions sold more copies.

On VGChartz. While it may not be entirely accurate, the majority of the multconsoles titles have sold more on PS3. Go search the games and check it out. DMC4, RE5, and SF4 sell more on the PS3, however, Soul Calibur 4 sells slightly more on the 360 and GTA4 sells over a million more.

I doubt the 360 version of Unreal 3 would have sold many more anyways being that the 360 had everyone playing Halo 3 at that time most likely(released a couple months earlier than PS3 Unreal 3.) It would have been a bad move for Midway to release it at that time because it'd drop price quickly on the 360 due to low sales(again, Halo 3 only coming out 2 months earlier) and when people did pick it up they wouldn't have made as much off of it in comparison. Keeping it a timed exclusive was actually a profitable move by Midway.

Devil May Cry 4 PS3 - 1.26m
Devil May Cry 4 360 - 1.14m

Resident Evil 5 PS3 - 2.23m
Resident Evil 5 360 - 2.13m

Street Fighter 4 PS3 - 1.25m
Street Fighter 4 360 - 1.06m

Soul Calibur 4 PS3 - 1.05m
Soul Calibur 4 360 - 1.16m

Grand Theft Auto 4 PS3 - 5.64m
Grand Theft Auto 4 360 - 7.09m

Anyways, Unreal 3 had more PS3 sales, Virtua Fighter 5 had far more PS3 sales(having Online would make me think it wouldn't matter that it was a timed exclusive seeing as it was released only 8 months later,) Armored Core 4 had more 360 sales, Armored Core For Answer had nearly the same but more PS3 sales, and Stranglehold had more 360 sales.

The sales have been fairly close regardless of the game played, yet if you think about it, some of these games were released when the PS3 was in its infancy pretty much. Stranglehold(less than a year after the PS3 release,) Armored Core 4(released a month after the PS3 release,) and Virtua Fighter 5(half a year after PS3 release.) The install base during that time was further spread out. The install base on the PS3 isn't as large as the 360 still, but there are many more users and the percentage gap isn't as wide. This is possibly why there are more sales for games released at recent dates.

I think just like someone posted on that link, the PS3 gamers seem more like the hardest of the hardcore gamers over the 360 gamers in which while there are hardcore gamers there are more casual gamers(which is possibly why the 360 sold more GTA4, as it's more of a do anything blow everything up casual game pretty much and is something everyone could enjoy regardless of the M rating.) You also have to remember that the 360 has a much higher failure rate, so how many 360s sold on sales charts are due to before Microsoft was allowing them to be sent back for free? How many after the fact? I don't think there are that many in the lead as the sales charts makes you to believe.

[Enigmus]

Hey guys, can we not stoop to GameFAQs message board users' level?

Yes. I second that. I may be a Nintendo fan, but I definitely will never stoop to that level of posting.

[PentiumMMX]

The list was a little unfair; including games that had just recently been released along with basing it off of review scores instead of going off sales.

Also, though off-topic, I think the G4 boards are worse than GameFAQs.

[Bojay1997]

On VGChartz. While it may not be entirely accurate, the majority of the multconsoles titles have sold more on PS3. Go search the games and check it out. DMC4, RE5, and SF4 sell more on the PS3, however, Soul Calibur 4 sells slightly more on the 360 and GTA4 sells over a million more.

I doubt the 360 version of Unreal 3 would have sold many more anyways being that the 360 had everyone playing Halo 3 at that time most likely(released a couple months earlier than PS3 Unreal 3.) It would have been a bad move for Midway to release it at that time because it'd drop price quickly on the 360 due to low sales(again, Halo 3 only coming out 2 months earlier) and when people did pick it up they wouldn't have made as much off of it in comparison. Keeping it a timed exclusive was actually a profitable move by Midway.

Devil May Cry 4 PS3 - 1.26m
Devil May Cry 4 360 - 1.14m

Resident Evil 5 PS3 - 2.23m
Resident Evil 5 360 - 2.13m

Street Fighter 4 PS3 - 1.25m
Street Fighter 4 360 - 1.06m

Soul Calibur 4 PS3 - 1.05m
Soul Calibur 4 360 - 1.16m

Grand Theft Auto 4 PS3 - 5.64m
Grand Theft Auto 4 360 - 7.09m

Anyways, Unreal 3 had more PS3 sales, Virtua Fighter 5 had far more PS3 sales(having Online would make me think it wouldn't matter that it was a timed exclusive seeing as it was released only 8 months later,) Armored Core 4 had more 360 sales, Armored Core For Answer had nearly the same but more PS3 sales, and Stranglehold had more 360 sales.

The sales have been fairly close regardless of the game played, yet if you think about it, some of these games were released when the PS3 was in its infancy pretty much. Stranglehold(less than a year after the PS3 release,) Armored Core 4(released a month after the PS3 release,) and Virtua Fighter 5(half a year after PS3 release.) The install base during that time was further spread out. The install base on the PS3 isn't as large as the 360 still, but there are many more users and the percentage gap isn't as wide. This is possibly why there are more sales for games released at recent dates.

I think just like someone posted on that link, the PS3 gamers seem more like the hardest of the hardcore gamers over the 360 gamers in which while there are hardcore gamers there are more casual gamers(which is possibly why the 360 sold more GTA4, as it's more of a do anything blow everything up casual game pretty much and is something everyone could enjoy regardless of the M rating.) You also have to remember that the 360 has a much higher failure rate, so how many 360s sold on sales charts are due to before Microsoft was allowing them to be sent back for free? How many after the fact? I don't think there are that many in the lead as the sales charts makes you to believe.

Dude, you just cherry picked franchises that have traditionally been Playstation exclusives. The vast majority of multi-platform releases sell between 30% and 50% more units on the 360. That's not an opinion, that's fact. The fact that UT3 and VF5 came out on PS3 well before the 360 absolutely impacted on sales. Many of us own both platforms and we aren't going to re-buy the same game. Also, by the time the 360 versions were released, the games were perceived as old and overpriced considering the PS3 versions were already down to $20 while the 360 versions released at $60. Claiming the PS3 has more "hardcore" gamers than the 360 is also without any support.

[heybtbm]

Yes. I second that. I may be a Nintendo fan, but I definitely will never stoop to that level of posting.

(Reading your signature)

Irony overload.

[kupomogli]

blah blah blah

First off Bojay, how about you learn to read?


This is my theory: both UT3 and Virtual Fighter 5 would have sold wayyyyyyyy better on the 360....

-I cut some stuff out here because it wasn't useful for what I was replying to.-

backed up by the sales numbers of games released for both systems on the same day. And this even goes for former Playstation exclusive series DMC and Resident Evil: the 360 versions sold more copies.

Hmm. 1 2 P was saying previous Sony exclusives such as Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5 were selling more on the 360? Where is it "cherry picking"? I did nothing more but pull the games he mentioned. Do you see that though Bojay? Where it says the 360 versions sold more copies?

Also, where did I "claim" that the PS3 had more hardcore gamers? I specifically said


I think just like someone posted on that link, the PS3 gamers seem more like the hardest of the hardcore gamers over the 360 gamers in which while there are hardcore gamers there are more casual gamers(which is possibly why the 360 sold more GTA4, as it's more of a do anything blow everything up casual game pretty much and is something everyone could enjoy regardless of the M rating.)

Doesn't look like I claimed anything here. Stuff like "I think," "seem," or "possibly." Those are words that bring up a question in theory, not absolute.

Okay, done. It's fine to get a boner over the 360 Bojay, but why don't you learn to read what the reply is about before going on your holy crusade of how I'm specifically picking stuff out just to make the PS3 come out on top. I picked apart stuff on the PS3 as well like how GTA4 sold over a million copies more on the 360.

*edit*

Also. The timed exclusive is not why the 360 has terrible sales in comparison to the PS3 on VF5.

For 360, VF5 had 200,000 sales. PS3 510,000(over half.) PS3 came out 11/06 VF5 came out 2/07(three months, this is when there was only one and a half million PS3s out there.) The PS3 had terrible system sales in its first year so you're saying that because the PS3 version came out the 360 version which only came out 8 months later(which VF5 PS3 would have been still 59.99 at the time) lost over twice the amount of sales? PS3 only had about 5 million sales by the time the game came out for the 360. It's most likely less than a million of those people at that time had a PS3 and 360. This means that if a million people had both a PS3 and 360, 50% of those people picked it up for the PS3 and then the rest of them picked it up when it came out for the 360, atleast by your logic, and by that, your logic, the odds are extremely slim. The fact that the 360 version is online and it's still ignored seems that no one really cared about it. It's a great game, but it was missed for some reason or whatever.

Gamestop also still shows it in its stores for the 360(and doesn't show for PS3.) It's been almost 2 years since the 360 release. Man. Too bad the game came out with a timed exclusive or this game that's currently 19.99 would be selling. Do these 30 million people who own a 360 now know it was a timed exclusive so they're adamant on not buying it?

http://www.gamestop.com/search.asp?Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=virtua+fighter+5&N=0

[The 1 2 P]

Devil May Cry 4 PS3 - 1.26m
Devil May Cry 4 360 - 1.14m

Resident Evil 5 PS3 - 2.23m
Resident Evil 5 360 - 2.13m

Street Fighter 4 PS3 - 1.25m
Street Fighter 4 360 - 1.06m

Soul Calibur 4 PS3 - 1.05m
Soul Calibur 4 360 - 1.16m

Grand Theft Auto 4 PS3 - 5.64m
Grand Theft Auto 4 360 - 7.09m

Where did you get your sales figures for these? I used vgchartz(obviously) because I couldn't find another site that had sell thru numbers for all those games on both systems(except VG). And on vgchartz the 360 version of every one of those games outsold the PS3 versions. I compared about ten games total(I'll find the list later) and the only ones that sold more on the PS3 were the aformentioned timed exclusives VF 5 and UT3.

[Bojay1997]

First off Bojay, how about you learn to read?



Hmm. 1 2 P was saying previous Sony exclusives such as Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5 were selling more on the 360? Where is it "cherry picking"? I did nothing more but pull the games he mentioned. Do you see that though Bojay? Where it says the 360 versions sold more copies?

Also, where did I "claim" that the PS3 had more hardcore gamers? I specifically said



Doesn't look like I claimed anything here. Stuff like "I think," "seem," or "possibly." Those are words that bring up a question in theory, not absolute.

Okay, done. It's fine to get a boner over the 360 Bojay, but why don't you learn to read what the reply is about before going on your holy crusade of how I'm specifically picking stuff out just to make the PS3 come out on top. I picked apart stuff on the PS3 as well like how GTA4 sold over a million copies more on the 360.

*edit*

Also. The timed exclusive is not why the 360 has terrible sales in comparison to the PS3 on VF5.

For 360, VF5 had 200,000 sales. PS3 510,000(over half.) PS3 came out 11/06 VF5 came out 2/07(three months, this is when there was only one and a half million PS3s out there.) The PS3 had terrible system sales in its first year so you're saying that because the PS3 version came out the 360 version which only came out 8 months later(which VF5 PS3 would have been still 59.99 at the time) lost over twice the amount of sales? PS3 only had about 5 million sales by the time the game came out for the 360. It's most likely less than a million of those people at that time had a PS3 and 360. This means that if a million people had both a PS3 and 360, 50% of those people picked it up for the PS3 and then the rest of them picked it up when it came out for the 360, atleast by your logic, and by that, your logic, the odds are extremely slim. The fact that the 360 version is online and it's still ignored seems that no one really cared about it. It's a great game, but it was missed for some reason or whatever.

Gamestop also still shows it in its stores for the 360(and doesn't show for PS3.) It's been almost 2 years since the 360 release. Man. Too bad the game came out with a timed exclusive or this game that's currently 19.99 would be selling. Do these 30 million people who own a 360 now know it was a timed exclusive so they're adamant on not buying it?

http://www.gamestop.com/search.asp?Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=virtua+fighter+5&N=0

You may not fully understand this, but a lot of people who are hardcore fighting game fans own both the PS3 and 360. The fact is that on the PS3, VF5 fell to the $20 level within just a few months of release, not eight months later. In fact, I picked up a copy at Best Buy for $20 well before the 360 version came out. As such, it was on sale at 1/3 the price of the technically superior 360 version for 3-4 months. That kind of disparity has an impact, even if the 360 version technically offered better graphics, improvements and on-line play.

I don't have a "boner" for the 360. I think the PS3 is a great piece of machinery with some really excellent exclusive games. It's just not great at most multi-system games because programmers don't really know how to use it. Even the Ghostbusters developers had to backtrack today and admit that their "PS3 optimized engine" couldn't deliver the resolution and textures that the 360 version got despite the fact that the PS3 has more processing power. There are some developers like Valve who won't touch the PS3 because it complicates certain processes for reasons known only to the folks who built it. The 360 still has a larger install base and is growing at a faster rate here in the US than the PS3, rightly or wrongly. The vast majority of multi-platform games still sell far more on the 360 than the PS3 and if you took the time to pull the data from the NPD stats as opposed to some website with dubious statistics, it would be very clear to you that that was the case.

[kupomogli]

Where did you get your sales figures for these? I used vgchartz(obviously) because I couldn't find another site that had sell thru numbers for all those games on both systems(except VG). And on vgchartz the 360 version of every one of those games outsold the PS3 versions. I compared about ten games total(I'll find the list later) and the only ones that sold more on the PS3 were the aformentioned timed exclusives VF 5 and UT3.

I used VGChartz and this is what I got. I'll post the searches.

Here's a link to the RE5 listings. PS3 is now 2.24 while 360 is 2.13 still(it was previously 2.23 for PS3.)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=resident+evil+5

DMC4 is the same.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=devil+may+cry+4

Skipping the others and just going right to GTA4 which is also the same(360 sold more.)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=grand+theft+auto+4

[kupomogli]

The vast majority of multi-platform games still sell far more on the 360 than the PS3 and if you took the time to pull the data from the NPD stats as opposed to some website with dubious statistics, it would be very clear to you that that was the case.

And I wasn't saying that the majority of the games sell better on PS3. As I showed, the XBOX 360, again, had over a million for GTA4 and there were others that I listed.

I was only posting a comment towards what 1 2 P posted which the sales for those games happened to be more on the PS3 that "not all multiconsole games sell more on the 360" and only used those that he specifically stated and then added some others.

As to Virtua Fighter 5. I'll still say that if those 30 million 360 owners wanted the game, it's new for 19.99. The sales aren't at 200,000 because of the PS3 as the 360 version is the obvious superior version. The PS3 had literally no install base at the time of release up to the release of the 360 version(figures are stated above.) The developers also released that they were going to add online to the 360 version right when the PS3 version came out in Japan because of how bad it sold(this was before the PS3 version even released in the US.)

Again, I know you'll say VGChartz isn't accurate, and truthfully it's not, atleast not entirely. However, it's still fairly accurate to use as a reference(especially now that they're not breaking games into categories based on the area.)

[DigitalSpace]

Oh noes! DP is turning into GameFAQs! Better build a fort out of Genesis sports games and SMB/DH carts and hide in it before it's too late.

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[Famidrive-16]

who is the greatest video game character ever... cloud or miles edgeworth... u deciDE GAMEFACTS!!!

[mnbren05]

Arguing of sales trends/data is like drinking Keystone Lite. You won't ever be happy and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Oh and Cloud rocks the fuck out.

[The 1 2 P]

I used VGChartz and this is what I got. I'll post the searches.

Here's a link to the RE5 listings. PS3 is now 2.24 while 360 is 2.13 still(it was previously 2.23 for PS3.)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=resident+evil+5

DMC4 is the same.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=devil+may+cry+4

Skipping the others and just going right to GTA4 which is also the same(360 sold more.)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=grand+theft+auto+4

I posted this in another thread and it works perfectly here:


I just used vgchartz.com to make several comparisons of sell thru data of 360 and PS3 versions of: Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4, Burnout Paradise, Soul Calibur 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Fallout 3, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4 and Unreal Tournament 3. The only games that sold more copies on the PS3 were Virtua Fighter 5 and Unreal Tournament 3. The reason? They were released on the PS3 first(time exclusives).

For 99% of all games that are released multiplatform on the 360 and PS3 on the same day--the 360 version sells more. One needs no further proof than looking at former playstation exclusive brands/titles RE 5 and DMC 4. Neither game has ever been on a Microsoft system before but the first time that they are they both outsold the system brand(Sony) they were raised on. And I'm sure the same thing will happen when Tekken 6 launches later this year, despite being formerly known as a PS exclusive franchise. As for FF13, it may be that 1% that sells better on a Sony system but I seriously doubt it will outsell the 360 version 2 to 1.

Now for what has lead us to different results kupomogli: I'm going by US sales data, for two main reasons. First, I live in the US and second, we all know that the 360 and it's games do not sell in Japan(compared to the Wii and PS3). So world wide sales gives the PS3 a 3 to 2 continent advantage(US, Europe and JP for PS3, only US and Europe for 360).

So we were both right in a sense, but from here on out I'm just talking about US sales. And going back to my theory as mentioned in my above post, 99% of all games released multiplatform for the 360 and PS3 on the same day will always sell better on the 360 in the US. The only game that might break this trend in the US is FF13 but that remains to be seen as well.

[I Am Error]

I am Error.

[Letiumtide]

Many of the "quality" titles on there cater to a niche market and more than likely made the expected quota for the game. Tales of Vesperia, Eternal Sonata, Disgaea 3, Okami, Klonoa, Zack and Wiki... all of these titles were made with a specific audience in mind. Especially Okami, which seemed to be made for all those people who said it would be awesome on the wii.

Other games like William's Pinball Hall of Fame are quite obviously not intended to be a big seller in the first place. I own it and love it, but it also came out at $19.99, they were not expecting huge sales from these games. Even House of the Dead: Overkill.

Real BOMBS are games that are hyped to the nines and then end failing those expectations. Where companies have sunk money and time into marketing, hype and flair just to make the game known. There is quite the difference in that perspective.

The games I mention generally didn't have much to offer in terms of marketing or anything like that because the audience that wanted to buy them already knew it was coming.

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

Must have not looked at the last beaten list have you? One FPS will be on that list though I hate FPS titles.

I like actual "good" tactical/strategy RPG titles. Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, Brigandine, Arc the Lad 2, Wild ARMs XF, Fire Emblem, Shining Force, etc. Wild ARMs XF is one of the last tactical RPG titles released and the game is also one of the best. The Fire Emblem games are good, but they're broken as you can just level specific characters, get the ultimate weapons and the game is won like nothing(yet they're very text heavy and the storyline is easily the best part of the games, reason why they're good.)

With Disgaea, the storyline is few and far between and the AI was guaranteed to be built for retarded people(easily noticable due to how stupid the AI is.) There's really no character development as each human character is the same aside from stats and how fast you learn skills with a weapon(ooo wow, the strategy!) Easily one of the worst and I would rank Disgaea only slightly above on the scale than a game such as Eternal Eyes.



We get it you dont like Disgaea, however "Good" is in the eyes of the beholder and Eternal eyes is the Hydelide of tactical games and yes those titles you mentioned ARE good but Disgaea is the only one that takes fun at itself and the videogame fans who play it, not to mention aspects of pop culture. While the majority of us, myself included know you'll never like the series stop beating it down like a dead horse.

[Iron Draggon]

I think most new Wii games don't sell as well as anticipated in the first few weeks of sales because most owners of that system wait until they've heard something about a game from someone else who owns it before they buy it... and with so much crapware on the Wii, it's easy to see why most people do that... it's also easy to see why the casual gaming crowd does that... they're not like the hardcore crowd who runs out and buys every new game on its relase day... they don't live and breathe the Wii and every game for it... they might buy a new game every other month or so... they don't even buy one new game a month, in most cases... so who's surprised that most new Wii games have lower sales numbers than expected? that's exactly what I expect!

[crom]

Punch-Out on the Wii bombed because it doesn't have Mike Tyson in it. Meanwhile, The Hangover has Mike Tyson in it and is dominating the box office.

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hahahaha yes!