Analyst: PlayStation Motion Controller better for core gamers than Natal [Joystiq]

[DP ServBot]

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Hey, remember that Gamasutra feature where Michael Pachter said Xbox Twitter was the greatest thing of E3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/23/pachter-last-fm-twitter-the-most-important-features-of-e3/)? Yeah, well in that very same feature, Cowen and Company analyst Doug Creutz (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/doug-creutz/) had some choice words (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4059/analyze_this_what_went_.php?page=4) for the PlayStation Motion Controller (http://joystiq.com/tag/playstation-motion-controller). Specifically, Creutz believes that while Project Natal (http://joystiq.com/tag/project-natal) may have gotten the bulk of E3 coverage, the PlayStation Motion Controller is the better peripheral for hardcore gamers.

"Natal appeared to me to be a technological solution in search of a problem," said Creutz. "I had a very hard time envisioning playing Modern Warfare 3 using Natal," he said, adding, "By contrast, I had a very easy time envisioning it (and enjoying it) using Sony's control/motion capture scheme." Creutz stated that Microsoft is likely trying to snag some of the Wii's casual marketshare -- "a difficult proposition given that you're essentially asking casual gamers to upgrade twice during the cycle," according to Creutz -- while Sony's device caters more to the core gaming demographic.

We must point out that neither Project Natal nor the PlayStation Motion Controller are finished products, so there's no telling how they might be implemented in future games. For example, there's no reason that Natal couldn't make use of both motion sensing and traditional control, similar to Sony's device. Furthermore, we'd say Sony is probably just as keen to capture some of the casual market as Microsoft.http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/http://www.joystiq.com/media/feedlogo.gif (http://www.joystiq.com)Analyst: PlayStation Motion Controller better for core gamers than Natal (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/24/analyst-playstation-motion-controller-better-for-core-gamers-th/) originally appeared on Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com) on Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:00:00 EST. Please see our terms for use of feeds (http://www.weblogsinc.com/feed-terms/).



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[crom]

yes, cause casual fans want to fork up the money for a ps3...

pass that crack pipe...

shit, Im a hard core gamer and I still cant find the money to buy a ps3

[FFX]

^ Am I missing something here ?

XBOX 360 PRO 60 GB
Console - $299
Online membership - $50
Wireless router - ~40$
Total - ~$389

Playstation 3 80GB
Console $399
Online membership - $0
Wireless router - $0
Total - $399

[ProgrammingAce]

Who in their right mind would see natal and immediatly think it was designed for Modern Warfare?

@ FFX:
Seriously dude? Nobody wants to see a price breakdown by console in the middle of a thread on motion controls.

[GarrettCRW]

:popcorn:

*gets ready for the fanboy wars*

[unwinddesign]

Who in their right mind would see natal and immediatly think it was designed for Modern Warfare?




This. I couldn't care less about Natal, but I must say this analyst is an idiot. Call of Duty with any motion only controls would seem difficult, unless you have some sort of standard interface as well, a la the Conduit.

[FFX]

@ FFX:
Seriously dude? Nobody wants to see a price breakdown by console in the middle of a thread on motion controls.



shit, Im a hard core gamer and I still cant find the money to buy a ps3

Sorry, just wanted to comment on that...

[kaedesdisciple]

^ Am I missing something here ?



Yes, you are. You're missing the actual usages and prices of these in-development products, same as everyone else. Those numbers you've posted mean nothing until we see how much it will cost to add on the motion control modules to the respective consoles and what the console prices are at that point in time.

I, unlike the alleged analyst, will hold off on worthless speculation. I want to see and feel how these products will work, not just "envision" them.

[kupomogli]

^ Am I missing something here ?

XBOX 360 PRO 60 GB
Console - $299
Online membership - $50 a year.
Total - ~$349

Playstation 3 80GB
Console $399
Online membership - $0

Total - $399

In the 360's defense, playing wired is the way to go. I used to play wireless with the PS3 solely because I didn't want to have another extra cord. However, I started playing wired and I won't change it back for anything.

Though yeah, live is 30-50 a year every year. The majority of people didn't know they had these XBL card sales so were unable to take advantage of those. So the majority of people really have no excuse to complain about the price of the PS3.

It may be a higher up front price, but it's not higher than the 360 overall. People don't look at anything long term, they just look at what they're getting right then.

--

Anyways. The PS3 will take some of the Wii's marketshare if the PS3 motion sensing actually goes through. Alot of games for the Wii will most likely be multiconsole(and due to the PS3 having a much lower fanbase, it probably won't receive all the shovelware.)

The Natal seems like it'll cost much more, but regardless of that, it'll be amazing if it works anything like how they showed it. If Sony sells their motion control for only $50(which seems like a reasonable amount) then I don't see how the users who already have a PS3 won't go pick it up(maybe have a pack in game along with the motion controller.)

One thing Sony really needs to do though. They need to change the look of the motion control. It looks like ass.

[Bojay1997]

^ Am I missing something here ?

XBOX 360 PRO 60 GB
Console - $299
Online membership - $50
Wireless router - ~40$
Total - ~$389

Playstation 3 80GB
Console $399
Online membership - $0
Wireless router - $0
Total - $399

Yeah, I have both and I paid full boat for the PS3 and 360 at launch, so the whole pricing thing doesn't seem like a great argument to me. On the other hand, it must be said that the 360 does offer a low entry level option at only $200 if you just want to play games and don't care about on-line content or connectivity. Not sure what difference pricing on the consoles makes to either of these motion controllers though. Until we see some applications and pricing on the motion add-ons themselves, this guy's opinion is pure speculation.

[Cryomancer]

You know what's an even better controller for core gamers? The regular one. That both systems will still support.

[Daria]

^ Am I missing something here ?

XBOX 360 PRO 60 GB
Console - $299
Online membership - $50
Wireless router - ~40$
Total - ~$389

Playstation 3 80GB
Console $399
Online membership - $0
Wireless router - $0
Total - $399

Who the fuck would want a wireless router for the 360?

[The 1 2 P]

Who in their right mind would see natal and immediatly think it was designed for Modern Warfare?

I posted this in another thread:


The thing you seem to be forgetting is that project Natal is not going to be replacing the 360 controller, nor will Sony's new wand be replacing the Dual Shock 3. All these new camera controllers will be doing(in essence) is attempting to steal pieces of the casual gamer market that Nintendo has monopolized with the Wii and Ds.

We will still be playing the next Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gears/God of War with their respective 360 and PS3 stock controllers. That will never change;)

[BHvrd]

Who the fuck would want a wireless router for the 360?

He meant wireless adapter and you know it and personally yeah, I don't feel like running a 30 foot cable.

PS3 controllers come chargeable right outta the box, 360 you either buy recharge packs or shell out for disposable one, either way chalk it up.

Stating that that ths ps3 is SO much more "especially at this point in the game" is just ridiculous. Get a new argument.

I agree. I think Natal is nothing more than a souped up Eyetoy while Sony seems to be trying to break new ground by using a type of mo-cap only seen in development studios, can't wait to experience it instead of just goofing around with it like I would probably do with Natal.

[Daria]

He meant wireless adapter and you know it and personally yeah, I don't feel like running a 30 foot cable.

Heh. Actually I wasn't pointing out his mis-use of the word router. I was thinking more along the lines of my Wii having such a shitty connection wirelessly that I had to buy a third party wired adaptor just to download updates. Although I'm sure that's just failure on the Wii's part as my laptop works great. Still, I see no need to buy an extra component for the 360 when the wire works fine if not better.

[Nature Boy]

In Anyways. The PS3 will take some of the Wii's marketshare if the PS3 motion sensing actually goes through.

You know what? I'm calling bullshit on this, *and* the idea that Natal will do the same.

It's not *just* the control scheme that has people buying Nintendo, it's the perception that owning a Wii is for *everybody*.

Sony and MS have a *lot* more to do than just releasing similar control schemes if that's the market they're after. Unless and until (a) they're in the same pricing bracket and (b) they re-market themselves in some fashion, the impact on Wii's market share will be negligible IMO.

And I don't see (a) happening *anytime* soon.

[FxMercenary]

^ Am I missing something here ?

XBOX 360 PRO 60 GB
Console - $299
Online membership - $50
Wireless router - ~40$
Total - ~$389

Playstation 3 80GB
Console $399
Online membership - $0
Wireless router - $0
Total - $399


Good post imo, dont hate on FFX for responding to the same old "too expensive" routine, its bull.

In fact, toss in the rechargable battery and you have 360 $409 / PS3 $399 with a quieter more stable machine, and a Blu-ray player.

Sorry guys, FFX is right.

[ProgrammingAce]

Unless and until (a) they're in the same pricing bracket and (b) they re-market themselves in some fashion, the impact on Wii's market share will be negligible IMO.

And I don't see (a) happening *anytime* soon.

You realize the 360 is cheaper then the Wii by $50, right? Even when you add in all the peripherals, the 360 is cheaper.

Nintendo is winning solely on marketing at this point.

[crom]

guys, I want a ps3...

I paid $200 for my 360

I just renewed my xbox live for one year for $70 but it came with project gotham racing and a new headset...

thats it, thats all...

ps3 is $299

sure its only $100 bucks more, but Im having a hard time justifing the purchase for myself, its either put gas in my car, or take the bus for a month or 2 and get a ps3...

I would get one if games wernt so cross platformed right now, but Im not forking over more money for a system that has pretty much the same games and then less some...

I appologized that I turned this into that thread...

all im saying is this,

everyone and their grandma flocked out and bought wii's... and now almost everyone who has one (myself included) dont play it as much or little at all...

now when ppl go to make a purchase on a console the conversation is going to go like this...

"honey im going to buy a ps3 because of this magic wand thing"
"no, you wont use it, its just going to collect dust like the wii you bought"

[BHvrd]

guys, I want a ps3...

I paid $200 for my 360

I just renewed my xbox live for one year for $70 but it came with project gotham racing and a new headset...

thats it, thats all...

ps3 is $299

sure its only $100 bucks more, but Im having a hard time justifing the purchase for myself, its either put gas in my car, or take the bus for a month or 2 and get a ps3...

I would get one if games wernt so cross platformed right now, but Im not forking over more money for a system that has pretty much the same games and then less some...

I appologized that I turned this into that thread...

all im saying is this,

everyone and their grandma flocked out and bought wii's... and now almost everyone who has one (myself included) dont play it as much or little at all...

now when ppl go to make a purchase on a console the conversation is going to go like this...

"honey im going to buy a ps3 because of this magic wand thing"
"no, you wont use it, its just going to collect dust like the wii you bought"


Sarcastic relevance, quite a joy. Good show sir.

Point made and validated with the exclusion of your baiting.

It's quite simple really, blow the whole... fucking.... lot!

*cheers*

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[JunkTheMagicDragon]

damn, who shat in your cheerios?

[Nebagram]

You know what's an even better controller for core gamers? The regular one. That both systems will still support.

Amen. I can't see anything replacing the good ol' joypad, not for a long while anyway. Holodecks? Mmmmmmmaybe. :)

[Nature Boy]

You realize the 360 is cheaper then the Wii by $50, right? Even when you add in all the peripherals, the 360 is cheaper.

Does that mean you know the price of Natal already?

I'm obviously assuming that the 360 + Natal > Wii as far as pricing goes.

[kupomogli]

We got this little fat bitch that says the PS3 costs alot. What kind of poor bitch-ass cardboard box is he living out of?

Yeah. 600 dollars ain't shit to Chad Warden.

[ProgrammingAce]

Does that mean you know the price of Natal already?

I'm obviously assuming that the 360 + Natal > Wii as far as pricing goes.

I know i've spent $265 on controllers for my wii, and that's not including Motion+ (which i refuse to buy). If natal comes in over that, i'll eat my hat. And i like my hat.

[Bojay1997]

Still not following what any of this pricing talk has to do with the claim in the article that one of two products that aren't even finished and won't be released for at least a year is somehow better than the other for core gamers. That's like predicting the next generation Xbox will be better than the PS4 or Wii 2 for core gamers despite the fact that not a single title has been announced and none of the three consoles is anywhere near release. I would call this dumb journalism, but that gives it too much credit.

[Rob2600]

i've spent $265 on controllers for my wii

Can you give us a breakdown?

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Yeah. 600 dollars ain't shit to Chad Warden.

Dude, what's it with you and Chad Warden?

[GarrettCRW]

He's Chad Warren's lover.









:D

[Fuzzball24]

Dude, what's it with you and Chad Warden?

I hate that guy.

And it's so old.

[Sonicwolf]

:popcorn:

*gets ready for the fanboy wars*

*gets ready for shovelware and casual game wars*

[unwinddesign]

Good post imo, dont hate on FFX for responding to the same old "too expensive" routine, its bull.

In fact, toss in the rechargable battery and you have 360 $409 / PS3 $399 with a quieter more stable machine, and a Blu-ray player.

Sorry guys, FFX is right.

The PS3 *IS* more expensive.

360 is modular. PS3 just assumes you want everything and places it all together, then charges you an assload for it. Average Joe #1 doesn't need all this shit. Sure, maybe it's a great deal if you actually want every feature in the PS3. But what if you don't? Then you're paying for shit you don't need.

-Blu-Ray: Not huge yet for the average consumer. They're too expensive.
-Wireless Built In: A lot of people would prefer to run a cord, since it's easier and faster. Also, a lot of people don't have broadband, let alone Wi-Fi.
-Rechargeable batteries: Some people have rechargeable AAs around the house (a fair number, I'd say), so they don't have to buy battery packs for the 360/Wii. They just use what's on hand.
-Online Play: See built in Wi-Fi. For those that do want it, Microsoft offers a free month (hooray, I guess) and then it's $50 for a year. But, on the flip side, Xbox Live Gold members get discounts on certain online games. For example, SF2 Remix (or w/e it's called) is $10 this week...usually $15 (and is $15 on PSN, to the best of my knowledge). Still can't beat free, though.
-Intangibles: Streaming Netflix only on 360, 360 is a much better media extender (highly underrated feature...more useful to me than Blu-Ray)

Sure, if you want a maxed out system, then you're gonna end up spending as much as a PS3. But shouldn't you? They're basically the same level of power. Yeah, PS3 has 8 cells and 1,000000000000 Gigaflops calculations per tenth of a nano second and all sorts of other magical GPUs and amazing tech, but has that translated into better graphics or gameplay in any instance? On paper its better, but this hasn't paid dividends thus far. Gears of War 2 looks damn amazing. Killzone 2 looks damn amazing. Differences are negligible, imo.

It's a much better marketing strategy to buy what you want, when you want. I play a shitload of online games, but I would prefer if I could buy a PS3 model with no WiFi at retail (since the 20 gig is discontinued). I have no desire to use PSN. It's not useful to me! Save me the $100 and sell me a system for $300.

[/off topic by a long shot]

On topic, I'd really expect Natal and Sony's new device to be fairly similar in price, and probably work with the same 3rd party titles etc.

[The 1 2 P]

I just watched the Jimmy Fallon segment with Kuda on it demoing Project Natal with a tech demo and Burnout Paradise. It definitely seems like something that anyone can use and it has the possibility of being able to trump Nintendo at their own game. However, it's something that I would never want to use as a controller sceme for Burnout games. Even if they can get it to work for that I'd rather use the 360 pad.

Like I posted earlier, I already know they aren't using this controller to replace the regular 360 pad. And thats good. I mean, could you imagine trying to use Natal with rts or rpg games? I actually don't play either genre(except Kotor) but from my understanding of rts games, you need many forms of function for your control experience. But I suppose they could always bring up one of those hologram menus like they used in the Matrix: Reloaded. The future is now....or tomorrow.

[crom]

I just watched the Jimmy Fallon segment with Kuda on it demoing Project Natal with a tech demo and Burnout Paradise. It definitely seems like something that anyone can use and it has the possibility of being able to trump Nintendo at their own game. However, it's something that I would never want to use as a controller sceme for Burnout games. Even if they can get it to work for that I'd rather use the 360 pad.

Like I posted earlier, I already know they aren't using this controller to replace the regular 360 pad. And thats good. I mean, could you imagine trying to use Natal with rts or rpg games? I actually don't play either genre(except Kotor) but from my understanding of rts games, you need many forms of function for your control experience. But I suppose they could always bring up one of those hologram menus like they used in the Matrix: Reloaded. The future is now....or tomorrow.

remember natal uses voice commands as well, so you could be like "computer, warp speed!" lol...

I like the idea, its going to be a friday night party thing, just as the wii is now... cause when I get home from work I want to sit in a chair and move as little as possible

[Bojay1997]

Can you give us a breakdown?

Never mind, see other thread. Again, all anyone is doing is speculating based on some demo footage of what may or may not be final functionality.