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Coldguy
06-29-2009, 04:39 AM
Here we go again, came across this and thought to share it with you all. I have a few games I would swap out personally, however I think ti is a good list overall and who doesn't need a heated debate in a retro game site talking about games?

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/bt/the-sage/sage-review/8944-topsnesrpg

crom
06-29-2009, 06:31 AM
at least he got number one right...

actually, pretty good list cant hate

Chainsaw_Charlie
06-29-2009, 07:08 AM
So for those like me who's computers suck, what's the complete list?

FantasiaWHT
06-29-2009, 07:53 AM
Not bad! I was a little concerned about the first few, but then I caught his rule of "one game per series" and it made more sense.

ShinobiMan
06-29-2009, 09:25 AM
I enjoyed this list. Most of his favorites are my favorites, including Secret Of Mana, Earthbound, Illusion Of Gaia, and Super Mario RPG.

I think it's about time I finally play Chrono Trigger. Everyone and their mother loves this game!

How could Zelda: Link To The Past not make this list? INSANE!

Mathius
06-29-2009, 09:37 AM
Once again, another "best of" list that reminds me that I have never owned, nor played Earthbound. So sad.

old_skoolin_jim
06-29-2009, 10:31 AM
Yeah, I admit, I saw this topic and was prepared to groan as Chrono Trigger got #1 again, but the list was pretty good (especially since he left Mario RPG out of the top 3... totally overrated IMO).
Kudos for FF4 being #2, though, I totally agree. It brought a lot to the RPG genre back in '91.

carlcarlson
06-29-2009, 10:36 AM
Good list, though I was surprised to see FF4 instead of 6. I've never played much of either so I don't really have an opinion but my understanding has always been that 6 is better.

Hawksmoor
06-29-2009, 01:18 PM
The absence of Lufia I or II on his list invalidates it IMO.

gjackx
06-29-2009, 01:20 PM
I really was shocked @ FFIV over VI...I've only played VI most of the way through, but plan to play IV somewhere down the road!

Coldguy
06-29-2009, 02:16 PM
How could Zelda: Link To The Past not make this list? INSANE!

That is not a RPG...

Nature Boy
06-29-2009, 02:53 PM
That is not a RPG...

Don't start it...

Daria
06-29-2009, 03:01 PM
Eh. Not impressed. These top 10s always look the same. What's the point of writing the same article as every other review site/show?

I'd like to see Dragon View, Spike McFang, or Arcana get some recognition for once. They may not be the best games on the system (actually Dragon View's freaking awesome), but if you're going to educate your audience on neglected RPGs you could dig a little deeper than Evermore. It really seems like he threw the game in there just to be different but it honestly pales in comparison to Lufia II. Ranking Breath of Fire above Breath of Fire II was also strange as the second game improved on the first in every way possible. It's more of the same and then some. And if you're looking to give props to any game for being a solid by the books RPG than I'd pick Paladin's Quest for it's unusual art style over BoF1.

Coldguy
06-29-2009, 03:47 PM
Don't start it...

Just saying....not going to get into an argument, we had too many of them on this subject.

PresidentLeever
06-29-2009, 03:50 PM
So for those like me who's computers suck, what's the complete list?

10. Terranigma
9. Illusion of Gaia
8. Breath of Fire
7. Secret of Evermore
6. Super Mario RPG
5. Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
4. Secret of Mana
3. Earthbound
2. FF IV
1. Chrono Trigger

I actually got the top 2 right before watching it all, lol.

Not a bad list, wasn't expecting Evermore in it, or Earthbound being that high.
But I would've replaced Mana with Lufia II, and Ogre Battle with Dragon View. And of course, Bof2 instead of 1, and FF6 instead of 4.

Chaz From Phantasy Star 2
06-29-2009, 04:06 PM
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard some unenlightened fool claim Chrono Trigger to be the best Super Nintendo RPG, I would be the richest damned person on Retrogaming Roundtable.......

And I agree with Daria. Spike McFang, Arcana, and Dragon View are AWESOME! Dragon View totally made up for the original Drakkhen!

Shaq-Funaki
06-29-2009, 04:48 PM
The absence of Lufia I or II on his list invalidates it IMO.

^ Ditto

Solertia
06-29-2009, 05:11 PM
The lack of Final Fantasy VI is truly sickening.

Chaz From Phantasy Star 2
06-29-2009, 05:17 PM
http://www.icyforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4401

j_factor
06-29-2009, 06:32 PM
The more I see of this guy, the less I like him.

Daria
06-29-2009, 06:39 PM
The more I see of this guy, the less I like him.

Chaz or the Sage?

kupomogli
06-29-2009, 08:06 PM
I don't know how to even look at this list it's so bad. He adds a game like Terranigma which is PAL/JPN import then puts Breath of Fire in there. If you want to seem more knowledgeable then why not just remove BoF if you're not going to put the second one in there and then add a game like Star Ocean which, while being a bit overrated, is still a very good game. Why are both FF6 and BoF2 not in the video and why is Earthbound other than it featuring a cartoonish real world? It seems this list is comprised of the author trying to sound like he knows alot, making his fans happy by putting in extremely overrated games, and then trying to be different by putting games like BoF and FF4 instead of putting the obvious better games like BoF2 and FF6(or even FF5.)

I already knew Chrono Trigger would be labeled as the best, yet this is something I don't agree with, but it's not like it shouldn't have been on the list. I'd also say Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma, Ogre Battle, and Secret of Evermore actually belonged there, though everything else would be removed if it was my list. I would have ended up adding Tactics Ogre, Lufia 2, Final Fantasy 6, Breath of Fire 2, and Dragon Quest 3 Remake.

Here'd be my list. It's a rough order. You could probably switch the bottom half around and it wouldn't make much of a difference where as the top five are pretty much set in stone.

Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
Final Fantasy 6
Breath of Fire 2
Ogre Batttle: March of the Black Queen
Dragon Quest 3
Secret of Evermore
Lufia 2 Rise of the Sinistrals
Chrono Trigger
Terranigma
Illusion of Gaia

Natty Bumppo
06-29-2009, 08:11 PM
I think Shadowrun deserves a place somewhere.

j_factor
06-29-2009, 08:17 PM
Chaz or the Sage?

The Sage. Everything about him annoys me. Including his choice of nickname. He's not so sagely.

Also, I still don't get why random douchebags can make up top 10 lists and they get linked everywhere as if it were important.

roushimsx
06-29-2009, 08:18 PM
What, no Secret of the Stars? What kind of list is this?!?!

Coldguy
06-29-2009, 10:15 PM
Also, I still don't get why random douchebags can make up top 10 lists and they get linked everywhere as if it were important.

I didn't say it was THE defacto list I just thought it was an interesting discussion that's all.

kainemaxwell
07-02-2009, 08:13 AM
Hmmm, no tales of phantasia...

fahlim003
07-02-2009, 02:23 PM
No Final Fantasy 3 but Final Fantasy 2 made the cut? Bogasity.

Nirvana
07-02-2009, 04:43 PM
I liked the list. I really want to play Earthbound.

This also made me want to replay all the ones I've beaten in the past, such as Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana. I loved those games.

Daria
07-02-2009, 04:50 PM
Hmmm, no tales of phantasia...

He was sticking to official english translations. I think if he were to include Japanese imports it would have been a totally different list.