Still on the fence about a PS3? Here's a nice new PS3 bundle! *UPDATED*

[duffmanth]

For those of you still on the fence about getting a PS3, this might be the time to hop over: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175061

*Update* looks like this bundle is the real deal: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9401417&type=product&id=1218099072505

[GrandAmChandler]

Gotta clearance out those 80GBs before they release the PS3 Slim next month and drop the price and include PS2 compatibility again!

(All Rumors of course)
:vamp:

-GAC-

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Nice. A stellar bundle for sure!

Also worth noting that industry insiders have rumored/reported that we may be seeing a hardware redesign for the system before the holidays and that current retailers are moving the last of their current stock out with no re-supply in order to make way for the forthcoming "slim" PS3.

http://kotaku.com/5305021/ps3-slim-entering-production-ready-by-july

This software bundle certainly can't hurt in "moving current stock", and may be intended to do exactly that!

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

hmm.

make my mortgage payment... or get a ps3.
:thinks:
make my mortgage payment... or get a ps3.
:thinks i'll need house to plug ps3 into:

damn you, logic.

[kupomogli]

Great deal if you like FPS games and Metal Gear's slow pacing.

[otaku]

that is a nice bundle hopefully this means all other models laying around stores will be cheaper and I do hope those new slims hit cause again the other systems will be cheaper. Still not sure I care I had one for six months not really worth it.

[The 1 2 P]

Including Killzone 2 makes the fps fan in me interested. But Metal Gear Solid 4? No thanks. However, theres a chance that these bundles may be lower(eventually) than $399. Still, I wish they added a second game I was interested in.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Including Killzone 2 makes the fps fan in me interested. But Metal Gear Solid 4? No thanks. However, theres a chance that these bundles may be lower(eventually) than $399. Still, I wish they added a second game I was interested in.

I'm sure you could sell or trade somebody the included MGS4 for something else that suits your fancy.

[The 1 2 P]

I'm sure you could sell or trade somebody the included MGS4 for something else that suits your fancy.

Good point. Also, why the hell is Killzone 2 included in this bundle? Didn't that just come out a few months ago? MGS4 has been out for a year so that makes sense. But Killzone 2?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Good point. Also, why the hell is Killzone 2 included in this bundle? Didn't that just come out a few months ago? MGS4 has been out for a year so that makes sense. But Killzone 2?

It's probably hit the point where it has "plateaued" in terms of sales, and since there is pay DLC out there - the more units they put in the hands of PS3 users the more likely they are to sell DLC.

[Damaramu]

I'd buy that bundle if it were $299. :wink 2:

[duffmanth]

You should give MGS4 a try, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!

[Berserker]

You should really think about taking a sledge hammer to it and maybe go with another console altogether. I can understand some of the launch 360's having some issues, but for these problems to still be lingering 3 and half years after launch day is fucking pathetic. The bottom line is MS was in such a rush to beat Sony to the market, they rushed production of the 360 and what's happened the last 3 years is the result.
http://ffffff

[Malon_Forever]

I really want to play MGS4!!! Don't want a PS3 though :( .

[The 1 2 P]

You should give MGS4 a try, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!

Not really. I didn't like the first one and this one isn't going to change my mind either.

[Tron 2.0]

Not bad i was all most ready to buy a (PS3) this month....Untile a deal i had on ebay went sour.Looks like getting a (PS3) for right now is on hold again.Though i'm not holding out for a price cut by sony any time soon.

[exit]

That's a nice little deal there and I would have probably picked that up if I didn't have a PS3 already. They're two great exclusives, both with a dedicated online community, it's a smart choice by them to get people on the PSN. I wouldn't be surprised if they released a second bundle with Little Big Plant and Ratchet and Clank to appeal to the younger audience.

[frap]

The Killzone/MGS4 bundle was on the shelf at the Syracuse, NY Best Buy this afternoon.

[crom]

with soo much talk about some new slim ps3 with backwards compatibility and a price drop Im in no rush to buy... at all

[emceelokey]

A PS3 is such a hard damn sell for me. They havn't done anything to make me bite and It's probably going to take something stellar for me to finally get a PS3.

I need a redesign, Two decent games, at least an 80gb hd, at least PS2 compatability, and it can't cost more than $350. That would sell me on it.

[kupomogli]

A PS3 is such a hard damn sell for me. They havn't done anything to make me bite and It's probably going to take something stellar for me to finally get a PS3.

I need a redesign, Two decent games, at least an 80gb hd, at least PS2 compatability, and it can't cost more than $350. That would sell me on it.

Siren, Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted 1 and 2, Gran Turismo 5, and Demon's Souls aren't decent(or atleast in GT5's case aren't going to be atleast decent?)

You're also getting free online, wifi, wireless with rechargeable battery, blu ray player with upscaling on all dvds and psx titles right out of the box with the current version. If backwards compatibility is brought back and it's still 399.99 you wouldn't buy it?

I guess people don't look at how much the 360 is in the long run and how little it offers overall. 199.99. Compotent cables included, 256MB, and that's it.

[exit]

Siren, Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted 1 and 2, Gran Turismo 5, and Demon's Souls aren't decent(or atleast in GT5's case aren't going to be atleast decent?)

Don't forget Burnout Paradise, it might not be exclusive, but it's the best version of the game.

If you want good DLC games there's Everyday Shooter, Pixel Junk Eden, Super Stardust HD and echochrome just to name a few.

[Malon_Forever]

Why do people feel the need to always metion the blue ray player? If I wanted a blue ray, I would buy one...

[The 1 2 P]

Not only is this new Killzone 2/MGS4 bundle at my local Besy Buy but they also have another bundle with Little Big Planet and Wall.E bluray movie, both for $399.

[emceelokey]

Siren, Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted 1 and 2, Gran Turismo 5, and Demon's Souls aren't decent(or atleast in GT5's case aren't going to be atleast decent?)

You're also getting free online, wifi, wireless with rechargeable battery, blu ray player with upscaling on all dvds and psx titles right out of the box with the current version. If backwards compatibility is brought back and it's still 399.99 you wouldn't buy it?

I guess people don't look at how much the 360 is in the long run and how little it offers overall. 199.99. Compotent cables included, 256MB, and that's it.

I was talking about bundles. There's definitely games I want that are exclusive to the ps3 but still not enough to make me bite. As for Blu-Ray, I'd still get a dedicated Blu-Ray player because I don't like using games systems for movies. Even with the Xbox and PS2, I still bought a cheap dvd player to watch movies on.

[kupomogli]

Oh yeah. PS3 also has a huge selling point for people like me. If I didn't already have a PS3 I'd buy one just for this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Adhoc_party_for_psp_cover.png

The ability to play almost all ad-hoc only PSP games against anyone else in the world. My bestfriend now lives around 30 minutes away from me, so it's nice to be able to play PSP games without him having to be in the same house. Also the ability to play other people that I don't know, like some people I played against in Dissidia who had 800+ hours(with my less than 100 current time, you can safely say that I got raped.)

April 24, 2009 is the last day we've been given confirmation on titles that are officially supported for the ad-hoc party with over 226 confirmed. Since the ad-hoc party is still in beta phases for Japan(yet can still be used in the US) there aren't any officially confirmed US/PAL releases that work, but alot of titles regardless of region do work(so not official, but most likely you'll have quite a bit that do work.)

Being the huge PSP fan I am, the ad-hoc party is by far my favorite system exclusive for this generation.

[duffmanth]

Not really. I didn't like the first one and this one isn't going to change my mind either.

MGS4 is nothing like the original Metal Gear Solid. Some of the sneaking elements are still there, but that's about it.

[scooterb23]

Good looking bundle, would still rather have the bare system and $100 or so off. Maybe it'll happen soon.

[duffmanth]

A PS3 is such a hard damn sell for me. They havn't done anything to make me bite and It's probably going to take something stellar for me to finally get a PS3.

I need a redesign, Two decent games, at least an 80gb hd, at least PS2 compatability, and it can't cost more than $350. That would sell me on it.

A) The system doesn't need a redesign, it's very reliable (unlike another system we all know and love) and has great aesthetics, B) MGS4, Resistance 1 & 2, Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Hot Shots Golf, Infamous, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm 1 & 2, Socom, etc. On the horizon: God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 2, FFXIII, FFXIV, MAG, Heavy Rain, etc. C) It already has a 80GB and 160GB available D) PS2 BC is way overrated.

$399 for this bundle is a steal, especially when you factor in the above games mentioned.

[scooterb23]

When you factor in the games above, the PS3 is a system that has 4 games I actually want to play :D

*ducks*

[kupomogli]

When you factor in the games above, the PS3 is a system that has 4 games I actually want to play :D

*ducks*

How many 360 exclusives did you really want when you didn't own the system? How many have you bought on a whim or purchased because you already owned a 360? Four games that you want to play is more than enough to warrant the purchase of a system as you'll most likely pick up other exclusives that seem they may interest you.

I dislike Nintendo but if there were more games I was interested in, I'd end up picking up a Wii. There are actually two games I'd like to own on the system(Super Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid the Other M.) There may be others I'd pick up if I had the system, but since I neither have the system and no others interest me, it'll be quite awhile before I get a Wii. It's sad, because at the time of purchase, about three Gamecube games interested me and I now only own 12, only one of those non exclusive, another an import title(I sold three to four GC games since I've owned it though.)

[duffmanth]

I agree with this. Every time I walk into a game store I look at the 360 wall of games, and there's hardly anything that interests me. The big exclusives like Halo 3, Gears 1 & 2, Forza 2, and Fable 2 are the only ones that even peak my interest. The rest of the good games on the 360 are also on the PS3, and I would rather have them on the PS3 b/c the 360 is such an unreliable piece of shit. It blows my mind how many times people will replace this fucking thing!? If you're having to replace your system more than 1 or 2 times, you really have to give your head a shake.

[Chemdawg]

im still on the fence about it. meh. for me to get one, they not only need to price drop the system but they need to get some better exclusives. I think activition even has threated to stop making game to fit PS3 unless they do make a price cut. so if they don't make a price cut they are gonna have a hard time gettin exclusives too. sony has just failed so bad at ps3 to me its just funny, certainly with how big and great they did with ps2.

[scooterb23]

As if it matters, I didn't buy the 360 until there were at least 15-20 games I actually wanted to play. So that there was plenty of stuff to play through. I've only bought 10 games other than that original set (not counting XBLA stuff). And most of those have been sports games or $5 specials.

The PS3, is up to about 5-6 games that I actually am interested in buying and playing. I do want a PS3...eventually. But the games are not there that I want to play...I'm sure someone will post a litany of "AAA" titles in a subsequent post, I don't care, most of those don't interest me.

Drop it $100, and then I may be more willing to spend a bunch of money for just 6 games...

[backguard]

As if it matters, I didn't buy the 360 until there were at least 15-20 games I actually wanted to play. So that there was plenty of stuff to play through. I've only bought 10 games other than that original set (not counting XBLA stuff). And most of those have been sports games or $5 specials.

The PS3, is up to about 5-6 games that I actually am interested in buying and playing. I do want a PS3...eventually. But the games are not there that I want to play...I'm sure someone will post a litany of "AAA" titles in a subsequent post, I don't care, most of those don't interest me.

Drop it $100, and then I may be more willing to spend a bunch of money for just 6 games...

For what its worth, games that are on both the PS3 and XBOX typically look and run better on the PS3.

[scooterb23]

For what its worth, games that are on both the PS3 and XBOX typically look and run better on the PS3.

It's not worth $100 :)

[The 1 2 P]

MGS4 is nothing like the original Metal Gear Solid. Some of the sneaking elements are still there, but that's about it.

I prefer acrtion games like the Halo and Gears series. The MGS series just doesn't come close imo. I get my stealth fix thru Splinter Cell but even thats worn thin on me. Luckily the new game(which is a 360 exclusive) will be more action focused.

[duffmanth]

I think $399 for the current PS3 is just fine. The PS3 is ten times the quality and reliability of the 360, I would say both system's game libraries are on par with each other, the PS3 has built Wifi, meanwhile you have to spend $100 for a fucking Wifi adapter for the 360, builtin Blu-ray, and I think Sony has the better exclusives coming in the next 6-10 months. MS definitely has the better online service, but PSN is getting better all of the time.

The time may come when I might get a 360. I've played Halo 3, Gears and so on at friends places, and they're awesome games. I have no patience though for reliability issues when spending $300-500 on a console. Sending it back once or twice I can live with, anymore than that, no way!

[The 1 2 P]

I think $399 for the current PS3 is just fine. The PS3 is ten times the quality and reliability of the 360, I would say both system's game libraries are on par with each other

The $399 price tag definitely works for some people but I'm not one of those people. I also feel that the 360 has a better library of games, both retail releases and online downloads. The PS3 does have some exclusives I want to play but it's not worth spending $400 for 3-5 games. Most games are multiplatform now anyway, but they all add up to my gamer score and achievement list on my 360. And thats just even more incentive for me to game on it.

[emceelokey]

Even I KNOW that the PS3 is pretty much better in every single way over then Xbox 360, other then how ugly the PS3 is and the damn dual shock, seriously move that damn left analog to the top already, but MS just did things right for some reason. Even with the high faliure rate people still prefer to replace their 360's rather than convert to the system that is pretty much better in every single way. Even if it comes to multi plat games I'll still end up getting them on 360.

[duffmanth]

Hey to each his own. I'm just saying for the people that have been waiting for a PS3 price drop, that might be quite a ways off, in the mean time this is easily the best PS3 bundle to come along so far. Killzone 2 is still a $60 game and as far as I'm concerned MGS4 is by far the best game to come along this console generation.

[calgon]

I do not own a 360 or ps3, though both systems have their selling points. That said, there would really be no way I could ever justify spending more than $200 on a ps3. Once I played through the 4-5 "must-own" games, my system would sit there until or IF another AAA title came along, and if you're like me and don't like FPS's will be a long time.

[crom]

why cant they just sell the ps3 the same way xbox sells theirs?

give me a 20 gig hard drive, no games and sell it for $249...

done...

[kupomogli]

why cant they just sell the ps3 the same way xbox sells theirs?

give me a 20 gig hard drive, no games and sell it for $249...

done...

There is no 20GB anymore. There's the 256MB arcade unit for $199 and there's the 60GB pro for $299.

People always bring up the arcade unit when doing price comparisons because it's $199. With that price though, you get the exact same thing Microsoft offers with the Pro except for no headset and the fact that you literally can't put anything on the system other than saves or you'll run out of memory like that(means XBOX Live Arcade with that system is out of the picture unless you buy the disc versions.) How about the fact that Microsoft charges insane pricing on upgrading the hard drive for the 360. Upgrading a arcade with a 60GB 360 harddrive and you're pretty much paying the price for the Pro, so why not just get a Pro to begin with. Buying a 120GB hard drive will cost you $150. With the PS3, they actually use regular hard drives so you could get a 500GB hard drive for only $90. Over four times the amount of space for less.

How about we view it this way as well.

The 360 Elite Bundle with Halo 3 and Fable 2 is 399.99. It comes with a headset, component cables, and HDMI cables. With this it's actually a trade off. What the PS3 has that the 360 doesn't. Free online, wifi, usb cable, and rechargeable controller.

Now the reason I'm only bringing this up again is this time I'm comparing it to the 360's two game bundle. Yes, the 360 has 120GB and the PS3 has 80GB, but like I said above, memory is dirt cheap unless you have to pay for a 360 hard drive. But also, how many people out there actually have HDTVs? Aside from that, do you need both an HDMI and a component cable? No(though you may have other items that can use the HDMI.) There's also the fact that you can get both HDMI and component cables for cheap nowdays if you know where to look. You have to pay for online with the 360, so without doing that the headset becomes useless after the first three months. Buying the rechargeable battery packs for the 360 costs quite a bit, as well as the Wifi adapter. If you did happen to buy everything the other system needs to become equal, the PS3 still comes out cheaper without even buying the year subscription for XBL. This isn't even including all the batteries you use before you buy the rechargeable battery for the controller.

So yeah. Maybe if Sony stripped down literally every feature that the PS3 has, sure, you could get it for $199. No wifi, making you pay for online, a wired usb controller with no rechargeable battery or pulling a Microsoft and having you purchase batteries, and a 256MB hard drive. They should also integrate something to where you need to send it back every year.

[The 1 2 P]

Hey to each his own.

Agreed. And I will own a PS3 some day because I like owning all the systems. But for now I have to wait on that.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

A reiteration of reasons why a PS3 doesn't cost more than a 360 when you equip with comparative features.


I don't see any problem with your logic and I agree with most of it. But no matter how much you drive home the fact that a PS3 offers features that offset it's price comparatively, no one seems to care. There will always be *that feature* someone doesn't need, to illustrate why that the PS3 is a waste of money. It sort of goes this way with all current systems I guess.

It's expensive to support all 3 modern systems, which is a shame. In the past, I've only been able to support 1 out of the 3 consoles during each generation. I've had to pick which one suits my needs the best. It's only near the end of a generations life cycle or after it's ended- I've picked up the other consoles.

This generation I have been fortunate enough to have 2 out of the 3 consoles. The 1st purchase was the Wii, which was the cheapest at the time. It's unique controller and it's price were the driving factors for that purchase.

By the time I could afford another console, it came to the PS3. At the time it was the cheapest Blu-Ray player, it had standard wireless internet (great for an older 2 story house where running cat 5 is a pain), a standard rechargeable controller, and enough of the games I wanted to play to warrant a purchase.

The 360 just wasn't in the cards at the time. That's pretty much it. I owned and loved my original Xbox, and when the 360 came out I wanted one. But when it came time to make a purchase the 360 lost. I'll eventually pick up one, but I don't play enough games on current generation consoles to be able make that purchase in the near future.

[Gapporin]

I agree with this. Every time I walk into a game store I look at the 360 wall of games, and there's hardly anything that interests me. The big exclusives like Halo 3, Gears 1 & 2, Forza 2, and Fable 2 are the only ones that even peak my interest. The rest of the good games on the 360 are also on the PS3, and I would rather have them on the PS3 b/c the 360 is such an unreliable piece of shit. It blows my mind how many times people will replace this fucking thing!? If you're having to replace your system more than 1 or 2 times, you really have to give your head a shake.

Xizer, 'zat you?

[emceelokey]

For me, the acheivements is what really won me over with the 360. It's a simple thing but it just gives me the feeling that they were thinking of how to make gaming more enjoyable for the gamer. Sony just seemed to try and cram whatever they think would sell with the PS3. Plus the first time I picked up the original PS3 controller I thought it was a fake prop controller. It was so light that thing where I thought it was going to be heavier so I used more force to pick it up but when I did I almost hit my face.

[kupomogli]

The Playstation brand controller is my favorite, but the Six Axis version is by far the best because of how it feels weightless. I bought a Dual Shock 3 after throwing my Six Axis because of an FPS. Wish I could get another Six Axis instead.

[The 1 2 P]

I think the new slim version PS3's that come out later this year will get more people interested in the system.....as long as they price it well and have atleast two amazing exclusive games that launch this holiday season.

[CelticJobber]

why cant they just sell the ps3 the same way xbox sells theirs?

give me a 20 gig hard drive, no games and sell it for $249...

done...

A 20 gb PS3 wouldn't be adequate for practically anyone, because many games require an installation that takes atleast 5gb.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

For me, the acheivements is what really won me over with the 360. It's a simple thing but it just gives me the feeling that they were thinking of how to make gaming more enjoyable for the gamer. Sony just seemed to try and cram whatever they think would sell with the PS3. Plus the first time I picked up the original PS3 controller I thought it was a fake prop controller. It was so light that thing where I thought it was going to be heavier so I used more force to pick it up but when I did I almost hit my face.

While I don't have anything particluar against XBL Achievements ... I've since come to appreciate the PS3 Trophies a bit more in the "share them on the internet" aspect and I find myself going after particular silver/gold trophies a bit more agressively than high-point XBL Achievements.

I think there's a clearer distinction when looking at a PS3 "Trophy card" as to what kind of goals the user has accomplished. Aside from having the number ranking level, being able to see the total number of each kind of Trophy provides a better idea of what kind of work that particular user has put in.

Finding somebody with a shit-ton of Gold Trophies or more than one or two Platinums is a real task, and I'd probably find myself more impressed in seeing somebody with platinums than seeing somebody with a huge arbitrary achievement number.

[GrandAmChandler]

I think the new slim version PS3's that come out later this year will get more people interested in the system.....as long as they price it well and have atleast two amazing exclusive games that launch this holiday season.

THIS.

It needs to drop $100. There is no question about it. We know it, Microsoft knows it, and most of all Sony knows it. If they dare launch the barebones slim over $349, they are insane and can throw this generation out the window with hopes for the best of a PS4.... But they won't, they aren't that stupid. The numbers show that they HAVE to drop the price by this holiday season, or they are sunk.

What these bundles you are seeing now is to clearance out existing inventory of the "PS3 Fatty" and make room for the slim. If you remotely like the design you are currently seeing, get it now because it's not going to stick around past this Fall, it's more expensive to produce, hence this "PS3 Slimmy" coming out VERY soon.

[emceelokey]

While I don't have anything particluar against XBL Achievements ... I've since come to appreciate the PS3 Trophies a bit more in the "share them on the internet" aspect and I find myself going after particular silver/gold trophies a bit more agressively than high-point XBL Achievements.

I think there's a clearer distinction when looking at a PS3 "Trophy card" as to what kind of goals the user has accomplished. Aside from having the number ranking level, being able to see the total number of each kind of Trophy provides a better idea of what kind of work that particular user has put in.

Finding somebody with a shit-ton of Gold Trophies or more than one or two Platinums is a real task, and I'd probably find myself more impressed in seeing somebody with platinums than seeing somebody with a huge arbitrary achievement number.


The only problem with the whole trophies thing is that they didn't incorporate them until a year after the PS3 came out. They only made those because the saw how much people were enjoying the achievements on the 360 so it wasn't in their original plans to have those. People were actually talking bad about Microsoft about the achievements before people got their hands on it.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

The only problem with the whole trophies thing is that they didn't incorporate them until a year after the PS3 came out. They only made those because the saw how much people were enjoying the achievements on the 360 so it wasn't in their original plans to have those. People were actually talking bad about Microsoft about the achievements before people got their hands on it.

...so, listening to their consumer base is a bad thing?

Personally I think it's cool when people say "we want this thing" and a company says: ".....okay, we didn't have this planned at first, but if you really want it - here you go."

In this case I think that they've added an element to the process of achievements - the bronze/silver/gold designations - that elevates it from a "bragging rights" standpoint. Platinums are usually indicative of FULL trophy completion for any given game ... and it's really hard to see that kind of distinction just by looking at a big number on an internet gamercard signature.

[swlovinist]

Trophies in my book are okay, and I am glad Sony took a cue from Xbox and made a system that appears to be good.

Seriously about the system deal right now....Sony needed a price drop three months ago. They are in jeapordy of having more companies walk if they dont do something soon. Aarogance is one thing, Pride is another, and just being plain stupid is on a whole another level.

I love what the company has done with the PS2, I wish they would buy an F-ing clue and figure it the F out with the PS3

[DeputyMoniker]

Great deal if you like FPS games and Metal Gear's slow pacing.

Good observation. It is a "great deal if you like (what's included with it)." [/sarcasm]

EDIT: My gosh...if that is really a slim PS3 then that is one ugly console. Looks like an old zip drive.

[duffmanth]

THIS.

It needs to drop $100. There is no question about it. We know it, Microsoft knows it, and most of all Sony knows it. If they dare launch the barebones slim over $349, they are insane and can throw this generation out the window with hopes for the best of a PS4.... But they won't, they aren't that stupid. The numbers show that they HAVE to drop the price by this holiday season, or they are sunk.

What these bundles you are seeing now is to clearance out existing inventory of the "PS3 Fatty" and make room for the slim. If you remotely like the design you are currently seeing, get it now because it's not going to stick around past this Fall, it's more expensive to produce, hence this "PS3 Slimmy" coming out VERY soon.

I totally agree that the PS3 needs to drop by $100 at least, but they won't do it until it's financially realistic for them to do so. The core 80GB at $399 is too much, considering it's such a stripped down model. If it had backwards compatibility, maybe that price could be justified. The 160GB/Uncharted bundle is also too much at $500, considering Uncharted should have been a $30 game long ago and again it's a stripped down PS3 model.

This 80GB/MGS4/KZ2 bundle is by far the best PS3 bundle to come along so far though, and if I wasn't already a PS3 owner, this would be the bundle I would go for. You're right these bundles are nothing more than an attempt to clean out excess inventory to make room for this supposed slim model. If Sony is smart they'll launch this slim model at $299 with at least a 120GB HDD and at the very least software based B/C.

[swlovinist]

If they do release the slim model at $299 with BC, then look out. I for one have been a big complainer of the company for making stupid moves, but that is the move that could put them back in the race.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

1st video footage of the PS3 slim!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/probably-fake-video-of-the-ps3-slim-surfaces/

The slim PS3 is this generations Bigfoot (the urban legend, not the monster truck) ... showing up in all sorts of blurry photos ... nobody can decide whether or not they're real ...

... I can't say as I believe this or not, but I certainly can't imagine why it would be fake, or if it is - why Sony hasn't publicly shot down the legitimacy of the leaked pics/footage. (In fact, based on Jack Tretton's post E3 statements regarding the industry's lack of respect for secrecy ... it's almost like they're acknowledging that they're real ... maybe.)

[Sonicwolf]

I believe that the PS3 Slim that has been shown around so much is real. If it wasnt, Sony would have just said right out that it was fake. The box, video and photo evidence is pretty convincing too.

[The 1 2 P]

I really hope that leaked version isn't the final version. Man is that thing ugly. I wonder how much stuff they had to strip out of the normal version to get it to that size. I suppose it won't matter as long as the price is right.

[Sonicwolf]

I really hope that leaked version isn't the final version. Man is that thing ugly. I wonder how much stuff they had to strip out of the normal version to get it to that size. I suppose it won't matter as long as the price is right.

Even if the price isnt much of an improvement, if it has PS2 backwards compatability, im buying. LOL

[whoisKeel]

Sony...offering teenage testosterone NOW AS PACK-IN! *Yawn* had enough of this crap (...seriously a game called "Killzone", who would that entice that doesn't know what it is?). How bout taking a cue from somebody who actually sells systems, and offering a game that is fun to play??

[FxMercenary]

Sony...offering teenage testosterone NOW AS PACK-IN! *Yawn* had enough of this crap (...seriously a game called "Killzone", who would that entice that doesn't know what it is?). How bout taking a cue from somebody who actually sells systems, and offering a game that is fun to play??

Yeah... Like this great bundle?

http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/xbox-360-elite.jpg

How about taking a cue from somebody who actually builds systems, and not coping out on old, obsolete hardware components, loud bottom-of-the-line fans and disc drives and shoddy board designs. ( layouts )

While you're at it MS, instead of forcing companies to remove content from their game that want to release it cross-platform, just to make it fit on 1 disc, allow players to purchase and install their own hard drive instead of locking them out of that option with that special little design. That way we can all just install disc 2 on the HDD and not get less for our money

[unwinddesign]

I think that Sony has really stepped it up on the games front...there's a lot of A - AAA titles available now. The price is the main issue. I will not pay $400 for this system.

Maybe I would pay $400 if I didn't own a Wii or 360. But the 360 came first, so I got it a year before the PS3 came out...and the Wii does some stuff differently than either the PS3/360. The 360 and PS3 are too similar, exclusives aside, for me to spend an additional $400 on a PS3.

Once it's $200, I'll buy. I'll wait awhile, but I have no problem with that. I need PS2 support too. Half the games I want to play are PS2 games, anyway. By the time it's $200, all the PS3 games I want to play will cost like $15 on eBay, anyway, so it's win-win for me. Although God of War 3 is tempting...

[duffmanth]

Sony...offering teenage testosterone NOW AS PACK-IN! *Yawn* had enough of this crap (...seriously a game called "Killzone", who would that entice that doesn't know what it is?). How bout taking a cue from somebody who actually sells systems, and offering a game that is fun to play??

MS could use a tip or 2 from Sony on how to build a reliable console!

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

MS could use a tip or 2 from Sony on how to build a reliable console!

**cough** dre **cough**

not trying to deny that the ps3 seems to be a robust piece of kit so far, but pretending that sony are experts at making reliable hardware is rather shortsighted.

[duffmanth]

Hey I'm not saying that the PS1 and PS2 didn't have their issues, they did, but nothing on the level of fucking up like the 360 has. I remember some PS1's and PS2's having some problems, but those were pretty much fixed within 6 months to a year. The 360 is almost 4 years old now and still fucking up on people all of the time.

[duffmanth]

If they do release the slim model at $299 with BC, then look out. I for one have been a big complainer of the company for making stupid moves, but that is the move that could put them back in the race.

I think if Sony drops the PS3 by $100 this fall, whether it's the slim model or the current model, that coupled with huge exclusives like Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GOWIII, GT5, FFIII and XIV, coming out in the next 6-10 months, sales will explode. Also the fact that there will probably be more AAA games in greatest by the fall as well. If Sony does all of these things, I think this fall into next spring will be very good for them.

[Sonicwolf]

I think if Sony drops the PS3 by $100 this fall, whether it's the slim model or the current model, that coupled with huge exclusives like Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GOWIII, GT5, FFIII and XIV, coming out in the next 6-10 months, sales will explode. Also the fact that there will probably be more AAA games in greatest by the fall as well. If Sony does all of these things, I think this fall into next spring will be very good for them.

I agree. Also, Nintendo lacks the excellent titles to keep them chugging at this pace thus giving Sony some slack.

[kupomogli]

Hey I'm not saying that the PS1 and PS2 didn't have their issues, they did, but nothing on the level of fucking up like the 360 has. I remember some PS1's and PS2's having some problems, but those were pretty much fixed within 6 months to a year. The 360 is almost 4 years old now and still fucking up on people all of the time.

My PSX didn't die the entire time I had it and I got it about six months after it was released. The PS2 I got it about one or two months after it came out and it still has no problems(I still own the system.)

[duffmanth]

The problem with Nintendo is they hardly come out with any new and original games. They keep re-hashing the same old franchises over and over again, and this is fine to a point. Nintendo does a great job of keeping long running series like Mario and Zelda fresh and innovative, but at the same time give us something new.

The Wii as a system is reliable, but it lacks power, so developers are probably going to be very limited as to what they can do with the system, and I think that's really going to show over the next few years.

[duffmanth]

Same here, my PS2 is 6 years old now and not one hiccup. My PS3 is about a year and half old now, and the only problem I had with it was Need for Speed: Pro Street always fucking up on me, but I guess that was a widespread issue with the PS3 and PC versions. Way to go EA, talk about a game that should've never made it to the manufacturing plant, let alone retail.

[FxMercenary]

This is by far the best response I have ever seen to the Fanboy base.

actualy for haveing an xbox you are dumb the dlc is the same one both systems check it out look at cod 4 or waw any multi platform game has the same dlc and the graphics are the same even systems but the xbox still out sells the ps3 check the stats for the last quarter and dont say for now because what new stuff did sony comee out with for ps3 at E3 look at microsoft natal is awesome and it not green screen look on youtube for natal on jimmy falons late night show



First off, those are map packs, not actual content. Second, the first COD:WAW Map Pack was supposed to be included with the original launch of the game, it did not fit, therefore it became DLC for both systems.
You cant release extra game content on a multi-platform title or else you are asking for trouble from fanboys.

Second, of course the graphics are the same on multi-platform titles such as call of duty. They could have been better if they were exclusive to PS3, because they wouldnt have had to compress the game and it's audio to fit it on 1 disc. For example, find someone with a very nice gaming PC, and look at Call of Duty: WaW running on it, it looks freaking amazing, thats because it is uncompressed. Both consoles have the capability to render the game just as well as some PCs, but limited disc size combined with data compression = less quality and less content. You just cannot compare a PS3 exclusive to a 360 exclusive, PS3 blows it out of the water. ( blu ray = 25gb, dvd = 7 )

Third, of course the xbox 360 outsells the Playstation 3, it costs less ( just out of the box ). I dont even see why people even compare them with sales numbers, that doesnt make it better. Wal-Mart sells more Vizio Tvs than Samsungs, and E-machines sell 100 times more computers than Alienware. That sure as heck does not make it a better product. If it costs less, it sells more, thats how America rolls, Quantity over Quality.

Fourth, Natal... Sorry, im just not impressed. In all honesty the PS3 motion demo impressed me more because it actually detected "Body Rotation" kinda like the new Wii Motion plus. But in all honesty, I really dont care very much for the whole motion thing, just give me a controller and a couch.

But hey, I own a 360 as well and I enjoy their exclusives too, I just know better than to flaunt a lesser product.