FS: Sealed RPG, Real Time Strategy games, guides & lots more

[orrimarrko]

I'm selling a LOT of sealed RPG, Real-Time Strategy games with strategy guides and a lot of other hard to find games & guides.

Here's the ebay auction link:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/no_anchovies_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ

Thanks for looking!

Steve

[Joe West]

good luck with your ayction, great stuff

[rarebucky]

Steve, I've liked you for awhile and we've done some good trades, but I am VERY pissed to see you having copied my auction listing descriptions. Not cool at all. Please change them asap. Thank you.

[Cinder6]

Eternal Poison WANT!

[orrimarrko]

Steve, I've liked you for awhile and we've done some good trades, but I am VERY pissed to see you having copied my auction listing descriptions. Not cool at all. Please change them asap. Thank you.

There's nothing in the description that isn't true. Everything in the listing is factual.

Also, I've been using that same description for quite a long time.

Who gives a crap if some of the language was copied from one of your descriptions over a year and a half ago?

It's not proprietary information. I don't need your permission; and it's not like anyone is going to confuse my auctions for you and vice-versa.

I do notice that you don't have anything constructive to say in any of my For Sale threads though - pointing out when I resell something I bought from Target or wherever.
Stop derailing my threads.

[rarebucky]

Wow, not the response I was hoping for. Very surprised. It's against ebay policy and it will be reported today. Just because you've been stealing for awhile doesn't make it okay. Other members here feel the same way I know. Here's the ebay policy:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/vero-image-text-theft.html

"The seller copies a substantial amount of another member’s description and pastes it into a listing, without receiving the original writer’s permission."

This is something I take pretty seriously, sorry.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

There's nothing in the description that isn't true. Everything in the listing is factual.

Also, I've been using that same description for quite a long time.

Who gives a crap if some of the language was copied from one of your descriptions over a year and a half ago?

It's not proprietary information. I don't need your permission; and it's not like anyone is going to confuse my auctions for you and vice-versa.


Actually, yes, you do need permission to copy someone else's writing, either in part or in full. It doesn't matter if it's all relevant and factual or not, it's still theft of someone else's work. You've copies RareBucky virtually word for word, without a second thought. If what is said is true and factual, then you should have found another way to include this information, and not steal the description from someone else!

Stealing is still stealing, and fraud is still fraud. Copying someone else's description and posting it as your own is still plagiarism, regardless of whether you happen to change a few of the words to your own. All are serious offences under eBay rules, and are not to be taken lightly. Stealing someone's work is just lazy and unfair on the person who you stole it from, no matter how much of their work you use without giving credit to them.

Regardless of whether you think the auctions may or may not be confused with each other isn't the point, and neither is the age of the paragraphs stolen. The format used here is identical to RareBucky's, as is a great portion of the wording used. To me, this screams plagiarism. Not only have you robbed RB (And subsequently admitted to doing so, which was rather stupid as you've practically confessed to the crime), but you've also broken eBay policies.

At the very least, you could edit your listings IN YOUR OWN WORDS (Which do not remotely resemble RB's work), and maybe offer RareBucky an apology for raping his write-up. There is absolutely no cause for an argument here, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. Nothing you say will change that fact.

You're a thief, and a plagiarist, and a lazy one at that! I'm very surprised you even bothered to alter the information about you in the description!

[orrimarrko]

What's sad here is that it even matters.

I'll make the changes though.

[orrimarrko]

Actually, yes, you do need permission to copy someone else's writing, either in part or in full. It doesn't matter if it's all relevant and factual or not, it's still theft of someone else's work. You've copies RareBucky virtually word for word, without a second thought. If what is said is true and factual, then you should have found another way to include this information, and not steal the description from someone else!

Stealing is still stealing, and fraud is still fraud. Copying someone else's description and posting it as your own is still plagiarism, regardless of whether you happen to change a few of the words to your own. All are serious offences under eBay rules, and are not to be taken lightly. Stealing someone's work is just lazy and unfair on the person who you stole it from, no matter how much of their work you use without giving credit to them.

Regardless of whether you think the auctions may or may not be confused with each other isn't the point, and neither is the age of the paragraphs stolen. The format used here is identical to RareBucky's, as is a great portion of the wording used. To me, this screams plagiarism. Not only have you robbed RB (And subsequently admitted to doing so, which was rather stupid as you've practically confessed to the crime), but you've also broken eBay policies.

At the very least, you could edit your listings IN YOUR OWN WORDS (Which do not remotely resemble RB's work), and maybe offer RareBucky an apology for raping his write-up. There is absolutely no cause for an argument here, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. Nothing you say will change that fact.

You're a thief, and a plagiarist, and a lazy one at that! I'm very surprised you even bothered to alter the information about you in the description!

Mind your own business and get a life. It's not like either of us asked for your opinion.

If RB had a problem, he should have sent me a pm. I could have talked about it with him.

Your take on the matter is irrelevant.

[eskobar]

Very nice products, Man !

And about the "text stealing" .... don't give a crap; if the photos were stolen, that would be different. And for my experience with RB, don't give a crap about him either; how he can complaint about you re-selling some stuff when he takes advantage of his contacts to get VERY cheap products to re-sell them at VERY HIGH prices ...

Keep up, buddy; i am gonna bid on some of your products !

[rarebucky]

Very nice products, Man !

And about the "text stealing" .... don't give a crap; if the photos were stolen, that would be different. And for my experience with RB, don't give a crap about him either; how he can complaint about you re-selling some stuff when he takes advantage of his contacts to get VERY cheap products to re-sell them at VERY HIGH prices ...

Keep up, buddy; i am gonna bid on some of your products !

I guess you'll be reported to ebay soon then as well if you think stealing is ok. Try reading the ebay policy I linked to before you make uninformed comments.

[orrimarrko]

Thanks.

All changes made to auctions without bids; obviously cannot change those.

In the future - be a man, address me privately. You only did this to draw attention to yourself.

[eskobar]

I guess you'll be reported to ebay soon then as well if you think stealing is ok. Try reading the eBay policy I linked to before you make uninformed comments.

Don't act like a 5 year old cry-baby, you are a man; behave like that.

The text you are talking about isn't even a description of a game or something that can be patented; there are hundreds of older sellers that wrote a similar policies and they can argue that you stole it from them.

Those texts are quite generic, don't be an ass

[c0ldb33r]

It's copyright infringement.

I was going to check out your auctions, but seeing your response in this thread makes me doubt whether I want to buy anything from you :rolleyes:

[eskobar]

It's copyright infringement.

I was going to check out your auctions, but seeing your response in this thread makes me doubt whether I want to buy anything from you :rolleyes:

If that text could be copyrighted, EVERY text you write can be subject to a lawsuit ....

[orrimarrko]

Look, the bottom line is I liked the format that he presented his item descriptions.

Is there anything special about them? No. Why he even cares is beyond me.

What I'm upset about is that he didn't address it privately. Had he done so, I would have reacted differently.

Point of fact is that text like that is not copyrighted, so there is no infringement - whether ebay says so or not.

What I'm upset about is that this is not the first, nor second time that RB has made snide ass remarks about something I'm selling.

None of you know about those, so you shouldn't comment.

If you want to bid on my stuff, fine. If not, fine. Just don't pass judgement on things you don't know crap about.

[c0ldb33r]

If that text could be copyrighted, EVERY text you write can be subject to a lawsuit ....
In theory it could be.


Point of fact is that text like that is not copyrighted, so there is no infringement - whether ebay says so or not.
Point of law is that if he created it himself, it's copyrighted. It's not like you have to register something with the copyright office in order to gain copyright protection. Once you create a work, it's protected. I mean, I personally don't care, but he does, and he's the one that created it.

[PapaStu]

This doesn't belong in Buy/Sell. Thats why we've got Everything Auctions.

[Ed Oscuro]

(Edit: Whoops old thread!) I don't think that this would make me question Orrimarrko's ability to deliver as a seller (I think I've bought from him before, long ago, no problems I would think). Still surprised at the reaction however.

Since there is some confusion about how the law stands:

- You don't copyright facts, recipes, or processes

- However, the text that contains said facts, or explains the recipe or process, can be copyrighted

I also note that copying somebody's facts is unpopular because people who write stuff like to receive some recognition for their work, and may mislead other people into thinking that the copyist did it all themselves. It is basically Not a Good Thing (TM).

[c0ldb33r]

(Edit: Whoops old thread!)
heh, not really, it started in july 2009.


- You don't copyright facts, recipes, or processes
- However, the text that contains said facts, or explains the recipe or process, can be copyrighted
Agreed. I would only add that with a process, you don't copyright it, you patent it.

[eskobar]

(Edit: Whoops old thread!) I don't think that this would make me question Orrimarrko's ability to deliver as a seller (I think I've bought from him before, long ago, no problems I would think). Still surprised at the reaction however.

Since there is some confusion about how the law stands:

- You don't copyright facts, recipes, or processes

- However, the text that contains said facts, or explains the recipe or process, can be copyrighted

I also note that copying somebody's facts is unpopular because people who write stuff like to receive some recognition for their work, and may mislead other people into thinking that the copyist did it all themselves. It is basically Not a Good Thing (TM).

I disagree.

If that could be protected, check a 1,000 listings on eBay and you probably 80% have the same information.

Obviously, Bucky was not the first to "invent" or "describe" a process to complete a sale. Even worst, if one older seller wrote something identical or almost identical to that text, that seller could file a lawsuit to bucky ?

And what could happen after that event, no one could describe how to complete a sale ??? .... that text doesn't have any particular words or style, it's just a simple descpription; not poetry....

and i don't find the text particularly good to copy it .... @_@

[Ed Oscuro]

You can "disagree" all you like, but that's the facts, sorry.

That 80% figure is wrong, but it is true that many auctions use the same description. Either they are stealing the descriptions or they are using freely available text, like Wikipedia (the finished auction I just posted in this subforum used Wikipedia text for example).

eBay practice < eBay ideal ;)

[rarebucky]

Whoa this thread got out of control! A few things:

1. orrimarrko - I should have PM'd you, you're right, but I was so galled that I just posted instantly without really thinking it through. Had I known it would have made such a stink I would have kept it private. I am really tired of people stealing my auction descriptions (and as of today, a new one with stolen pictures of mine). You did the right thing in changing your descriptions and I appreciate that. In the future please keep it that way. I will, however, disagree with your assertions of me posting on your threads...I really have no idea what you're talking about and in fact we have dealt quite a few times and I thought everything was cool. I was even going to bid on some of your auctions before this whole thing transpired.

2. eskobar - you need to get your head checked. Your claims are ridiculous and if you even read orrimarrko's posts you'll see how wrong you are. This subject wasn't up for debate - what was done was flat out wrong and against ebay's policies so your comments are clearly off base. Other people have already chimed in but I'll add - do yourself a favor by not making these inane posts in the future.

Alright, now can we lock this thread?

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Using the same information in your own way is completely different to directly downright copying of someone's entire description word for word. I agree that most listings will all feature the same or very similar texts to describe the game and condition and their shipping methods etc, but there's only a certain amount of ways you can do these things, so it's to be expected that most auctions follow a similar style to one another. Obviously basic information can be classed as facts, whereas writing an entire paragraph which may contain these facts could be considered property of the creator

That said, there are many different ways to format and display this information. What RareBucky is annoyed at here is the fact that another person hasn't just deliberately copied his listing text word for word, but also made very little effort to reformat this information to make it appear slightly different. At the very least, if I were the culprit, I would have at least changed the sentences around and used slightly different wording, and also formatted it properly - That's like copying someone's exam essay word for word, but leaving in all the spelling and grammatical errors! It's just stupid. By all means, use someone else's description as an influence or template for your own works, as this is acceptable, provided it doesn't resemble another persons work

Rewriting Harry Potter word for word but only changing the names of the characters isn't going to net you millions upon millions of Pounds...


As for a receipe example:

- Break and beat one egg...
- Crack and whisk an egg...

Both of these instructions mean exactly the same thing, but are worded in completely different ways. If one were so inclined to copy another receipe, then they would change the wording slightly to something completely different, but which means the same.

[eskobar]

Whoa this thread got out of control! A few things:

1. orrimarrko - I should have PM'd you, you're right, but I was so galled that I just posted instantly without really thinking it through. Had I known it would have made such a stink I would have kept it private. I am really tired of people stealing my auction descriptions (and as of today, a new one with stolen pictures of mine). You did the right thing in changing your descriptions and I appreciate that. In the future please keep it that way. I will, however, disagree with your assertions of me posting on your threads...I really have no idea what you're talking about and in fact we have dealt quite a few times and I thought everything was cool. I was even going to bid on some of your auctions before this whole thing transpired.

2. eskobar - you need to get your head checked. Your claims are ridiculous and if you even read orrimarrko's posts you'll see how wrong you are. This subject wasn't up for debate - what was done was flat out wrong and against ebay's policies so your comments are clearly off base. Other people have already chimed in but I'll add - do yourself a favor by not making these inane posts in the future.

Alright, now can we lock this thread?


He changed the text because you were going to report him on eBay. I got angry because of the way you asked for it.

With that reaction of yours, how can you expect that EVERYONE reacts with a cool attitude ?

Don't get me wrong, i understand what everyone says about copyright and i totally agree; but you knew the guy and still reacted that way ???, that is such an ass-hat attitude.

You can be very pissed off, but what do you expect him to do ?, change a word or two ?, would you be happy if the change the order of the text ?, are you happy the way he edited the description ?

The problem is in your head, buddy; the world didn't care about the description, you can read it and its the same information now as before, if you didn't claim that he stole your text, would it matter to everyone else but you ?

There are more important things in the world that a stupid process to complete a sale ... that is my point, i am not arguing about copyrights, i am talking about a community, about friendship, about common sense, not about EGO.