View Full Version : Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Galaxy?
Malon_Forever
07-30-2009, 11:47 PM
Which do you feel is better? I have a feeling many of you are going to take the latter, but I'll go with Sunshine. I've completed Sunshine (90 some shines), and I'm almost finished with Galaxy, and I can pretty much say Sunshine is my choice. The main reasons for me are because the control of Mario in Galaxy seemed, for lack of a better word, dumbed down, and the linear path of each level/galaxy. Seemed like Mario Galaxy had very little exploration, and that's one of my favorite aspects of Sunshine (and ofcourse Mario 64).
So what do you say?
Therealqtip
07-30-2009, 11:54 PM
Too many people hate Sunshine for some reason, it kicks ass MUCH better then Galaxy.
SkiDragon
07-31-2009, 12:31 AM
I like Galaxy more, for the same reason you disliked it. The more linear nature of the levels make it feel more like a traditional 2D Mario game, and makes the gameplay more action oriented.
Sunshine is a decent game, but again, my favorite levels in that game were the special platforming-only stages.
j_factor
07-31-2009, 12:40 AM
I agree with SkiDragon. Exploration is nice in some games, but in Sunshine, I felt like there wasn't much "there" to make the exploration actually interesting.
BetaWolf47
07-31-2009, 12:44 AM
This is a no-brainer for me: Super Mario Galaxy. The amazing little scenarios you get put in make the game amazing, especially all of the little gravity tricks in the Bowser levels. While Sunshine was a good game in its own right, it felt far less polished. Fludd pretty much removed any kind of timing or skill needed for platforming, while some parts seemed impossible due to the game's flawed mechanics. Some parts in Sunshine were downright BS.
Tupin
07-31-2009, 12:47 AM
Super Mario Sunshine, just seemed a lot more open.
Sonicwolf
07-31-2009, 12:50 AM
I chose Galaxy as I found Mario Sunshine to be a little boring in comparison.
VG_Maniac
07-31-2009, 12:56 AM
I never liked Sunshine that much. All the stages had that sunny tropical theme to them...and that got pretty boring. I also didn't like the whole water gun deal. Galaxy was the best Mario game to come out in years. I definitely think it's the best 3D Mario by far (yes, even better than Mario 64). The stages were fresh feeling and very innovative, new power ups like the bee and spring suite were awesome, the flying airships returned, and the soundtrack was amazing (fully orchestrated music for the win).
Sonicwolf
07-31-2009, 12:58 AM
(yes, even better than Mario 64).
Im usually the last person to care about graphics but I really think Mario 64 has aged terribly, graphic-wise. I prefer mario 64/ds over Galaxy myself though.
Wow. I can't believe this is even up for debate. Galaxy is one of the best Mario games ever made. Sunshine is one of the worst.
Berserker
07-31-2009, 02:18 AM
Galaxy, no contest.
I was only able to appreciate Sunshine a little bit after I basically made myself go through its frustrating and lazily-implemented gameplay. It's like these tiny nuggets of fun are there, but you have to trudge through all these barriers around the beginning of the game to reach them.
Bottom-line, Sunshine is a game I have to force myself to pick up, and Galaxy is a game I have to force myself to put down, which is what I expect from a Mario platformer.
Cobra Commander
07-31-2009, 07:25 AM
Sunshine all the way.
I haven't even finished Galaxy. It just never really did interest me. I think it may be the controls. I hate them.
heybtbm
07-31-2009, 09:04 AM
Galaxy is great, but I'm going with Sunshine.
BydoEmpire
07-31-2009, 02:37 PM
Galaxy is a better game all round, but strangely, I finished Sunshine and never got around to finishing Galaxy. Sunshine had a lot of frustrating and unpolished bits. Galaxy is just pure fun.
joshnickerson
07-31-2009, 06:11 PM
What, no "I love them both!" option?
Sunshine was a bit rough in spots, while Galaxy was a bit too linear, but they are both awesome games in my book.
kupomogli
07-31-2009, 06:22 PM
Mario 64 and Sunshine blew. I haven't played Galaxy, but two out of two is pretty bad.
Solertia
07-31-2009, 06:33 PM
I dunno, I kinda like them both equally. They're both amazing. I really don't understand where all the hate toward Sunshine comes from, unless there are a LOT of people who hate great games? :?
Sunshine is just a meandering game that doesn't have any focus. One of the the main things you need to do is collect blue coins, except there is no easy way to keep track of which coins you have collected or where they may be located in the first place. If you enjoy randomly exploring every nook and cranny in wide open, non-linear worlds, then you would like it.
I don't.
Here (http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/TragedyOfTheCollectathons) is an article that only indirectly mentions Sunshine, but the general feeling is spot on.
"Super Mario Sunshine's blue coins are perhaps the biggest design misstep in the series' history -- randomly hidden coins that translate into the game's star equivalent that were tedious to find, which made it difficult to judge if they'd all been found."
BHvrd
07-31-2009, 10:02 PM
Sunshine had way too many boring parts that dealt with using the water gun and made it feel too much like a chore rather than a fun Mario game.
Galaxies for me.
retrocollectorguy
08-01-2009, 03:09 AM
I enjoyed both but found Sunshine a bit tedious to get into and Galaxy way too easy and straight forward. All the levels guided you through them and there seemed to be very little search-for-it-by-yourself areas. And it ended too abruptly imo.
Never understood why many people hate Super Mario 64. I thought it was a masterpiece at the time and a classic today. There were quite a few stars that were impossible to find without the help of a strategy guide or someone helping you. Something that SM Galaxy did not have. If anything, I dont like the New Super Mario Bros and cant understand the hype that game gets?
Sonicwolf
08-01-2009, 03:19 AM
Did anyone else find the secret of the something-something stages really annoying and hard in Super Mario Sunshine. Whenever those levels popped up, I died a little on the inside.
Never understood why many people hate Super Mario 64. I thought it was a masterpiece at the time and a classic today. There were quite a few stars that were impossible to find without the help of a strategy guide or someone helping you. Something that SM Galaxy did not have. If anything, I dont like the New Super Mario Bros and cant understand the hype that game gets?
Mario 64 is still one of the best and most fun games ever. I'm not sure what you mean about "impossible" stars, as I found all 120 on my own back at release without any help whatsoever. Well, technically, I only collected 119, but I knew what the 120th one was. It was the one you get for gathering 100 yellow coins on that damn rainbow level (where you are on a little floating platform in the sky and the level automatically progresses).
placebo
08-01-2009, 11:20 PM
Both are excellent games, but i prefer Galaxy. Mario in space thrills me.
unwinddesign
08-02-2009, 12:07 AM
Sunshine is just a meandering game that doesn't have any focus. One of the the main things you need to do is collect blue coins, except there is no easy way to keep track of which coins you have collected or where they may be located in the first place. If you enjoy randomly exploring every nook and cranny in wide open, non-linear worlds, then you would like it.
I don't.
Here (http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/TragedyOfTheCollectathons) is an article that only indirectly mentions Sunshine, but the general feeling is spot on.
"Super Mario Sunshine's blue coins are perhaps the biggest design misstep in the series' history -- randomly hidden coins that translate into the game's star equivalent that were tedious to find, which made it difficult to judge if they'd all been found."
I stopped reading that turd of an article when it started ripping on Banjo Kazooie. OMG you have to find 90% of the notes? How irritating and difficult! I found 996/1000 of the notes when I was fucking ten. It wasn't that hard. I did each level one time. That's right. Once. No extra sweeps. The notes are easy to find. The jiggies aren't that hard to find either. The level design is fantastic. It has about the same amount of collectibles as Mario 64. It's a much better game. It boggles my mind that BK gets forgotten all the goddamn time, but Mario 64 gets like 5th best game ever awards etc. out the ass.
I don't even know wtf he's going on about in DKC 3. Killing that goddamn DK Koin guardian was much harder than finding the hidden koins (coins? God only knows) in DKC 2.
Amazingly, I've played like 3 minutes of Sunshine and none of Galaxy, despite playing games for years. Just never really tried the Mario games (gasp!).
Leo_A
08-02-2009, 12:20 AM
Most of Super Mario 64 isn't a collectathon.
85 of Super Mario 64's stars involve no coins at all.
15 stars are 100 coin challenges that are easy because most levels have far more than the 100 coins needed available and there is no need to collect every last one (Or any reward for doing so, all you need is 100).
And the remaining 20 are stars that task you with collecting 8 red coins (Which are also easy to do with only 8 to get and Bomb-omb's that show you where they're located when asked.
Banjo Kazooie on the other hand is pretty much just a collectathon, unlike Super Mario 64's focus on mission based goals rather than collecting.
retrocollectorguy
08-02-2009, 12:53 AM
Banjo Kazooie was an excellent game. I recently played it again and found it much more challenging, fun and a whole lot larger then I remember. It could very well compete with SM 64 as the top platformer on the N64.
Malon_Forever
08-02-2009, 10:53 PM
^Banjo Kazooie is great, but I'm going to try to stay on topic.
It's interesting to see the vote, and how much Galaxy is favored over Sunshine. I've actually just got my copy of Sunshine back from my brother, and give it another go around since I just played Galaxy.
retrocollectorguy
08-02-2009, 10:56 PM
From what I have read everywhere, SM Sunshine is considered the worst Mario game of them all, even though its by no means a bad game. I tend to agree with that opinion, as I must say I enjoyed every other Mario more then Sunshine (even though I liked Sunshine as well).
Sonicwolf
08-02-2009, 10:56 PM
From what I have read everywhere, SM Sunshine is considered the worst Mario game of them all, even though its by no means a bad game. I tend to agree with that opinion, as I must say I enjoyed every other Mario more then Sunshine (even though I liked Sunshine as well).
You prefer the Mario CDi or educational titles over Sunshine?
retrocollectorguy
08-02-2009, 10:59 PM
You prefer the Mario CDi or educational titles over Sunshine?
Those are not Mario platformers.
Sonicwolf
08-02-2009, 11:02 PM
Those are not Mario platformers.
You didnt specify that you were talking least favorite platformer Mario game. You said you agreed that Mario Sunshine was considered the worst mario game of all.
retrocollectorguy
08-02-2009, 11:07 PM
You didnt specify that you were talking least favorite platformer Mario game. You said you agreed that Mario Sunshine was considered the worst mario game of all.
sorry but I thought you knew what I meant :?
Sonicwolf
08-02-2009, 11:09 PM
sorry but I thought you knew what I meant :?
A good amount of Mario games are not platformers. I didnt think that when people say "all mario games" they mean "only mario platformers"
retrocollectorguy
08-02-2009, 11:18 PM
A good amount of Mario games are not platformers. I didnt think that when people say "all mario games" they mean "only mario platformers"
pfft. 99% of the world does not even know there is a Mario: Fun with Numbers game out there :p
Im talking about platformers like SMB 1,2,3 SMW, SM64, SM Sunshine, SM Galaxy, New SMB etc.
Sonicwolf
08-02-2009, 11:24 PM
pfft. 99% of the world does not even know there is a Mario: Fun with Numbers game out there :p
Im talking about platformers like SMB 1,2,3 SMW, SM64, SM Sunshine, SM Galaxy, New SMB etc.
I see.
A lot of people do know of the Mario Party games, Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, Mario Golf, Mario Kart, etc.
Malon_Forever
08-02-2009, 11:30 PM
From what I have read everywhere, SM Sunshine is considered the worst Mario game of them all, even though its by no means a bad game. I tend to agree with that opinion, as I must say I enjoyed every other Mario more then Sunshine (even though I liked Sunshine as well).
From my point of view, I really enjoyed Sunshine, and knowing that many people dislike it, it boosts my opinion of the game higher because I feel it's really underrated.
Sonicwolf
08-02-2009, 11:33 PM
I dont think Sunshine is one of the worst Mario games. I think its just an ok Mario title with a bit of a gimmick touch to it.
Malon_Forever
08-02-2009, 11:36 PM
I dont think Sunshine is one of the worst Mario games. I think its just an ok Mario title with a bit of a gimmich touch to it.
The water gun is very gimmicky, but it makes it feel like a it's own experience. The feeling after mastering that canoe ride at the end of the game is soooo great :D.
ckendal
08-03-2009, 04:36 PM
Sunshine -- easily the worst Mario platformer to date, IMO. Boring and.. boring! The exploration was tedious & nonsensical and the missions were retarded.
Galaxy -- One of the best games I've played in the last couple of generations.
bones11
08-03-2009, 05:39 PM
I've played a lot of both, and recently won Mario Galaxy...great, great game. Really wanted to like, and finish Sunshine; put ~40 hours in it but got where I had to use the guide to figure out what to do next. Not sure if it was too difficult, but running around for 10 minutes just to get to another mission was definitely frustrating. That said Galaxy could have been a bit more difficult, game was a blast but ended too soon. Looking forward to Galaxy 2!
eskobar
08-03-2009, 05:51 PM
Sunshine was my choice too, i prefer to have more freedom to explore the world :D
namzep
08-03-2009, 05:52 PM
Galaxy all the way. I never could get into Sunshine and have throughly enjoyed what I have played of Galaxy.
Streetball 21
08-03-2009, 08:33 PM
I'd have to say Galaxy for me, I just like it better. Mario Sunshine was still a fun game...but for me, since the stages had that theme of a sunny island, it seemed kinda bland. If it had different themed-stages (snow, desert etc. etc.), it could have been accepted by more gamers.
Sonicwolf
08-03-2009, 08:52 PM
I'd have to say Galaxy for me, I just like it better. Mario Sunshine was still a fun game...but for me, since the stages had that theme of a sunny island, it seemed kinda bland. If it had different themed-stages (snow, desert etc. etc.), it could have been accepted by more gamers.
In the desert the water would evaporate before use and in the snow stage it would just freeze. LOL
Just try to use the FLUDD after its ruptured due to ice expansion.
BetaWolf47
08-03-2009, 09:20 PM
While the level environments did make a difference, it's still the mechanics that destroyed Sunshine for me. In certain parts, you'll get screwed over for no reason. For example, when you're riding one of the little cabana boats in the ocean, you'll just slide off when the boat turns. Do you have any idea how hard it makes it to get 100% on the game? Also, the controls, while really well laid out and comfortable, are hard to be precise with sometimes.
poloplayr
08-04-2009, 05:45 AM
Im usually the last person to care about graphics but I really think Mario 64 has aged terribly, graphic-wise. I prefer mario 64/ds over Galaxy myself though.
Just out of pure interest, name one 3D game from that year which has aged better.
Ze_ro
08-05-2009, 08:37 PM
I loved Super Mario Sunshine, and I think it got a bad rap when it really didn't deserve it.... however, even though it's an excellent game, it's still not as good as Super Mario Galaxy.
--Zero
kupomogli
08-05-2009, 10:31 PM
Just out of pure interest, name one 3D game from that year which has aged better.
Yeah. There's no denying that Mario 64's graphics have aged incredibly well. If only the gameplay was as good as the graphics were. I can answer the question though. I'd say the original Tomb Raider has aged just as good, if not better.
Graphically Mario 64 is a bit smoother, but Tomb Raider is more detailed with both characters and environments with the environments on Tomb Raider being far larger than those of Mario 64.
Other than the original Tomb Raider, I can't really think of anything else, if there's another, that has came out in 1996 and aged as well as Mario 64 has. I'd say King's Field 2 has aged pretty well, but not close to Mario 64 or Tomb Raider.
j_factor
08-06-2009, 02:09 AM
If you're talking about the PC version of Tomb Raider, I'd agree. But the console versions don't look that hot. The PSX version has a short draw distance and texture warping, and the Saturn version has lower-quality textures.
I'd say NiGHTS has aged pretty damn well graphically, and so has WipEout XL.
Sonicwolf
08-06-2009, 02:26 AM
Can anyone explain why the PlayStation has that funny bouncing 3d polygon texture face problem. Where the the surfaces kind of bounce around and eventually center fine once you get close.
j_factor
08-06-2009, 03:15 AM
Can anyone explain why the PlayStation has that funny bouncing 3d polygon texture face problem. Where the the surfaces kind of bounce around and eventually center fine once you get close.
It has to do with the way the Playstation hardware handles texture mapping. A lot of PC games from the early to mid 90s had the same issue. There are ways to get around it (or at least lessen it), such as by subdividing textures into smaller chunks, mipmapping, or doing a perspective correction in software. N64 doesn't have this problem for two reasons. Number one, it has texture filtering built into the hardware. Number two, there was a great tendency in N64 games to use very simple, low-detail textures spread out over large objects, partly because the system didn't allow textures greater than 4 KB in size. I'm not sure why Saturn seems to have less of the problem.
Sonicwolf
08-06-2009, 03:47 AM
It has to do with the way the Playstation hardware handles texture mapping. A lot of PC games from the early to mid 90s had the same issue. There are ways to get around it (or at least lessen it), such as by subdividing textures into smaller chunks, mipmapping, or doing a perspective correction in software. N64 doesn't have this problem for two reasons. Number one, it has texture filtering built into the hardware. Number two, there was a great tendency in N64 games to use very simple, low-detail textures spread out over large objects, partly because the system didn't allow textures greater than 4 KB in size. I'm not sure why Saturn seems to have less of the problem.
Thanks for the info.
Unfortunately the Nintendo 64's texture cache was one of its two downfalls. If The Nintendo 64 had the ability to display just a bit higher resolution textures, the games from that system wouldnt look as dated as they do. Aside from Conkers and Perfect Dark which still look pretty amazing.
Sometimes when you play 64 games, it makes you feel like you either got an astigmatism or your existing astigmatism got worse because of the eye-damaging textures.
SpaceHarrier
08-06-2009, 01:00 PM
Another vote for Galaxy here... though I can't understand all the flack that Sunshine takes. I had a good time with it, and it is still one of my favorite GC games that I find myself coming back to (along with Zelda TP and F-Zero GX). Galaxy was magic but seemed quite a bit easier to beat (not master, just beat). Must have been Sunshine's "old school" levels that account for the difference.