Lukemorse1 has returned...

[crom]

Absolutely, yeah, there have to have been other issues as well. There are always a lot of reasons for these things...

thats true... hopefully he will make another video to explain the other reasons... lol

[TonyTheTiger]

And by using that analogy, you essentially prove my point that even many gamers are, inside, ashamed of the hobby. You'd compare gaming to alcoholism? Seriously? Do you know how ridiculous that is?

No. I'm comparing gaming addiction to alcoholism. If "playing games" is the equivalent of "social drinking" then gaming addiction would be the gaming equivalent of alcoholism. And your brushing it off as a real problem that people can have is startling. Just because you like games doesn't mean you're obligated to defend them or their use in every situation under the sun. I like playing poker but I'd never take somebody who struggled with a gambling addiction to play a game. At some point "one more game" is one too many. So, yes, games, while not innately good or bad, can be harmful if used improperly just like anything else. Balance in all things. This isn't about the games. It's about how they're used.

And, yes, I don't really know for sure that he has an addiction. But what little evidence we've seen points to his hobby having taken over a larger percentage of his life than it probably should have. I could be wrong but so far that's what I'm seeing. A wife usually doesn't up and leave at the first opportunity. This was probably brewing for a while.

You're not really disproving my points, you know. In fact, you're more or less confirming the "woe is me, I'm a gamer that gets shit on by the world" mentality. If you want gaming to be respected then stop whining about how it isn't respected. People respect those who are secure. They don't respect whiners.

[A Black Falcon]

No. I'm comparing gaming addiction to alcoholism. If "playing games" is the equivalent of "social drinking" then gaming addiction would be the gaming equivalent of alcoholism. And your brushing it off as a real problem that people can have is startling. Just because you like games doesn't mean you're obligated to defend them or their use in every situation under the sun. I like playing poker but I'd never take somebody who struggled with a gambling addiction to play a game. At some point "one more game" is one too many.

Startling? It's startling that someone would say that there is a difference between taking a very powerful drug that seriously impairs your judgment and playing a game that you enjoy? Seriously? That's just so crazy that I don't know what there is to say...

Sure, of course the human brain is a very powerful thing. People can get "addicted" if you want to use that word (some other one would be better) to things like games, or food, or shopping, or what have you. But those kinds of things are absolutely not the same as taking an actual drug. Games are not a drug. Can people love games and not want to stop? Sure, lots of gamers are that way! Can it cause problems for some people? Yeah. But is it like alcohol? Of course not. That kind of thinking is just the latest of many waves of alarmist absurdity that has included past campaigns against rock & roll, D&D, comic books, etc. Games are just the latest target, something that nongamers (most of the adult population) do not understand.

My point never was that people who play games so much that it affects their personal lives aren't doing something that they should change, or even that it will probably be hard for them to change that. THose things are of course true. My point is that as a society we treat gamers DIFFERENTLY from people in those groups which have achieved social acceptance, like rock & roll fans for instance. Are rock fans ostracized for "liking it too much"? Not often, that's for sure... maybe in extreme cases, but not often.

Of course every case is different, but things would be very different if games were more accepted, there's absolutely no question about that.


So, yes, games, while not innately good or bad, can be harmful if used improperly just like anything else. Balance in all things. This isn't about the games. It's about how they're used.

Finally, something of yours I don't completely disagree with... I just think we have different definitions of what "how they're used" means. But it's good that you said this.


And, yes, I don't really know for sure that he has an addiction. But what little evidence we've seen points to his hobby having taken over a larger percentage of his life than it probably should have. I could be wrong but so far that's what I'm seeing. A wife usually doesn't up and leave at the first opportunity. This was probably brewing for a while.

On the last point, yes... but I think that other factors, not involved in gaming, were surely a factor in this as well, but that we just don't know about them. Was gaming stuff the only factor? I doubt it, I really doubt it... and I'm definitely not convinced that he was an addict to the extent that you describe, though given how little we know I think it is impossible to say with any certainty at all one way or the other on that issue.

As for my theory, in addition to unknown factors, I definitely think that it's much more likely something to do with money and her just not liking that he plays games a lot... it doesn't have to be a real "addiction" to anything other than his inability to say no to interesting things he says in the store, you know. As I said, he did seem to be pretty bad at managing money. Given how much of a focus on "stuff" you see in all his videos, I think that putting at least some responsibility on that would be a really good guess.

As for how much time he spent gaming, it all depends on perspective of course. Though again, given that he was definitely into gaming before they met, and she must have known it, that again leads me to suspect that other unknown factors must have played a big part, in addition to any or all of these gaming-related things. Though from what he said it's probable that some gaming factors were involved, there was probably more than just that. But I think that the big picture really is more important than a single case like this... and that was what I was talking about when talking about the acceptance of gaming, the big picture, not just a single case.


You're not really disproving my points, you know.

Maybe not, but you sure are proving some of my points.


In fact, you're more or less confirming the "woe is me, I'm a gamer that gets shit on by the world" mentality.

When people treat gaming as badly as they often do, defending it is of course the right thing to do.

I mean, I could say, like, "go play Planescape Torment and see that games actually can have really good stories" or something, but a lot of people who hate gaming aren't exactly interested in trying them, I think...


If you want gaming to be respected then stop whining about how it isn't respected. People respect those who are secure. They don't respect whiners.

When they're as opposed to thinking of gaming as people often are, things like that aren't going to matter... l really I think that only time will change things. Gaming is just such a young medium, it makes sense that things are like this. I mean, as I said, games are nowhere near the level of movies or books. Books are the oldest medium of this kind that is recorded (that is, beyond telling oral stories), and they are far and away better than any other... but games are a very fast-changing medium, I think that overall they will improve with time in terms of their worth. Right now, it does make sense to still think that games are more for kids; I mean, they're not just for kids and never really were, but they aren't as mature as most other forms of media either.

Still, there are plenty of reasons to respect gaming, even as it is now. And that's why it is frustrating, gaming clearly gets treated much worse than it deserves, even if as a format it definitely is still immature.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

maybe I do have a kid, maybe I dont...
maybe I am married maybe Im not...

And you may ask yourself..."where is my Discs Of Tron environmental cab?"
And you may ask yourself..."where is my beautiful wife?"

Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime...water flowing underground.

[Gapporin]

And you may ask yourself..."where is my Discs Of Tron environmental cab?"
And you may ask yourself..."where is my beautiful wife?"

Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime...water flowing underground.

MY GOD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?

[portnoyd]

The win is strong with these guys right here.

[OMF2097]

And you may ask yourself..."where is my Discs Of Tron environmental cab?"
And you may ask yourself..."where is my beautiful wife?"

Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime...water flowing underground.


MY GOD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?

Same as it ever was.

[TonyTheTiger]

snip.

You keep saying that alcoholism is worse because it's a drug. Then how about gambling? There are many people out there with gambling addictions who hopefully find the help they need. Are you going to belittle the severity of gambling addictions? Go to a Gamblers Anonymous meeting and tell these people that their addiction is really "no big deal."

I just can't stand the blindly defensive attitude. As much as people here tend to get annoyed when the media jumps to conclusions that "the video games did it" whenever something bad happens, I get equally annoyed when people here immediately jump to the conclusion "GAMES GOOD, NEVER BAD!" The door swings both ways, you know.

The way "one more drink" can be one too many for an alcoholic, the way "one more spin" can be one too many for a compulsive gambler, is not too different from how "one more game" can be one too many for an obsessive gamer. To blindly jump to the conclusion that the games can't possibly have caused him harm (because games are great under any and all circumstances and it's not possible to over do it) is not smart. It actually comes off as coldly self serving. "Not MY hobby, no way. MY hobby can't hurt anybody." Coming to that conclusion conveniently absolves the hobbyists of all need to be responsible with their gaming/spending habits.

[fahlim003]

You keep saying that alcoholism is worse because it's a drug. Then how about gambling? There are many people out there with gambling addictions who hopefully find the help they need. Are you going to belittle the severity of gambling addictions? Go to a Gamblers Anonymous meeting and tell these people that their addiction is really "no big deal."

I just can't stand the blindly defensive attitude. As much as people here tend to get annoyed when the media jumps to conclusions that "the video games did it" whenever something bad happens, I get equally annoyed when people here immediately jump to the conclusion "GAMES GOOD, NEVER BAD!" The door swings both ways, you know.

The way "one more drink" can be one too many for an alcoholic, the way "one more spin" can be one too many for a compulsive gambler, is not too different from how "one more game" can be one too many for an obsessive gamer. To blindly jump to the conclusion that the games can't possibly have caused him harm (because games are great under any and all circumstances and it's not possible to over do it) is not smart. It actually comes off as coldly self serving. "Not MY hobby, no way. MY hobby can't hurt anybody." Coming to that conclusion conveniently absolves the hobbyists of all need to be responsible with their gaming/spending habits.

Agreed. The 'hobby' doesn't matter, the only thing that may change is the type of dependency and or the reason for said addiction. Whether it's physical, chemical, or mental, addictions and excess of any activity is bad. The reasons why the addictions happen are not always the same yet the end results are always the same, shit.

[Kid Fenris]

I just can't stand the blindly defensive attitude. As much as people here tend to get annoyed when the media jumps to conclusions that "the video games did it" whenever something bad happens, I get equally annoyed when people here immediately jump to the conclusion "GAMES GOOD, NEVER BAD!" The door swings both ways, you know.

The Game is good.

The Penis is evil.

The Penis shoots seeds and makes new life to poison the earth with a plague of men as once it was.

But the Game shoots life-wasting nonsense and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals.

Go forth and play.

Zardoz has spoken.

[Diatribal Deity]

Glad to see he is doing ok. Let the new "manipulative", "publicity whore", "troll slayer", "lyar", comments begin.

Regardless, I'm glad to see he is back...


http://www.youtube.com/user/lukemorse1

[Ed Oscuro]

Agreed. The 'hobby' doesn't matter, the only thing that may change is the type of dependency and or the reason for said addiction.
Can't...must...stop...photographing everything


The reasons why the addictions happen are not always the same yet the end results are always the same, shit.
Shit or pictures, same difference. (or highscores, in the case of games, but I spend too much time playing through old FPSes and then dropping them for that)

[BHvrd]

Much better video, don't think the other one was ever really necessary and he just kinda did it on a spur of the moment and didn't think it out much.

He seems like he means well and I can do nothing but commend that he has made a more straight forward follow up video without getting into too much information over the matter, those things are his personal life and should stay that way imo, especially when the emotions involve hasty decisions that backfire. When you are recognized public figure keeping composure is very important imo.

Gotta admit I was never subscribed to him in the past as I never really preffered his style, but i'll keep an eye on him and if he has some good advice and what not will definetely subscribe, he definetely has a large enough collection to cover many angles.

In the meantime there are many other users I prefer to watch on YouTube.

[Icarus Moonsight]

The Game is good.

The Penis is evil.

The Penis shoots seeds and makes new life to poison the earth with a plague of men as once it was.

But the Game shoots life-wasting nonsense and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals.

Go forth and play.

Zardoz has spoken.

Tee hee, giant floating stone heads and red bandoleros...

[videogameking26]

I saw it and been a subscriber to Luke's for awhile, great guy....really bad for his situation.

[MachineGex]

Shocker, we wasn't able to quit his addiction. I am amazed he lasted almost two weeks.

[HappehLemons]

I'd hardly call that an "update" all he did was respond to a bunch of trolls. How are things going with his wife?

[Tron 2.0]

I'd hardly call that an "update" all he did was respond to a bunch of trolls. How are things going with his wife?
Who knows,but at this point he doesn't have to say any thing for what is going on with his wife.That should be a personal thing and nobody else to see.When i think about it he shouldn't have made the video in the frist place saying why he was leaving.It should have been some thing short....saying he will be mia for a while and that's it.

[GrayFox]

Modera-a-a-a-a-tion.

[Hawksmoor]

Modera-a-a-a-a-tion.

Indeed. Perhaps the rift between his wife and child and himself has caused him to further divorce himself from reality. He looks so chipper and carefree, as though nothing was wrong. I don't think all the "YOU RULE LUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D" comments are going to ultimately assist him in finding balance.

[Icarus Moonsight]

For sure, Luke appeared way too damn chipper. Got me thinking about bi-polar manic depressives... Or he has made some headway in atonement. His game closet did seem rather bare by comparison to the rest of his videos. Then again, I don't know the guy. He could be anything. Some people's behaviors and reactions are truly strange to me. In his shoes, if my wife left me and took my kid on account of something I was responsible for (assumption)... I'd be a crestfallen wreck. Youtube subscribers can go to hell for all I care at that point. So yeah, both videos are very peculiar IMO.

[Leo_A]

Sounds like mission accomplished to me. His fans widely post about his fake personal problems, getting people interested enough to check out some of his videos, increasing his hits and perhaps gaining a few fans that will continue to view his videos...

Well done ploy to get a lot of publicity out of your unsuspecting fanbase.

[c0ldb33r]

Uggh, this thread looks interesting, but is really long and full of bull-shit.

Can someone give me the reader's digest version?

I think that this lukemorse fellow has a LOT of games/electronics and his wife left him as a result?

[HappehLemons]

Luke spent so much time making youtube videos about his collection, and just spending to much time on his collection too his wife left him because she was being ignored because of his addiction. he made a lot of videos within the span of 9 months. check his account.

He's a cool guy though and a lot of his videos are useful. He did stuff like how to clean out a cart based system and fix a ps2 laser ect..

[jcalder8]

Uggh, this thread looks interesting, but is really long and full of bull-shit.

Can someone give me the reader's digest version?

I think that this lukemorse fellow has a LOT of games/electronics and his wife left him as a result?
Could be, but no one knows, probably more was involved.

[c0ldb33r]

hey

I finally got around to wanting to see that lukemorse sad/crying over his wife video and it's been removed by user.

Does anyone know where else it can be found?