Naughty Sega leaks a lot of Sony information!

[Swamperon]

http://kokugamer.com/2009/09/22/top-secret-sony-details-leaked-by-sega/

All I can say is 'Woooah'! Someone seriously messed up over at Sega. PS2 BC confirmed (even if we have to pay for it, admittedly never owned a PS2 so I can't complain), Yakuza possibly coming west. DREAMCAST titles coming to PSN!!! :D Yet another Sonic Collection!

All sounds very exciting, I wonder how mad Sega/Sony actually are?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Mad? No way, they're probably estatic.

"leaking" information is Sony's new thing!

Didn't you see their latest commercial?

There's a much hipper more exciting vibe about "secret" information hitting the web than a plain old vanilla press release ... and that's the kind of buzz Sony needs right about now.

I wouldn't be surprised if all new info from Sony comes in the form of "leaks" in the future.

Plus, most of us already knew BC would likely be coming in this form or something very similar sometime soon. Hopefully like PS1 BC it'll be fully intergrated/re-intergrated into the system (you can play PS1 classics from the PSN or right off your original PS1 discs on any PS3) and not in a "shell" tied to the individual game release.

[kupomogli]

Shenmue Collection in 720p on one Bluray disc. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Phantasy Star Online Collection. PSO 1, 2, and Blue Burst, and PSO3. New online servers(this would be awesome and a first day purchase for me.)

[Shadow Kisuragi]

Yakuza
Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).
Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles.
SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity.

Valkyria 1937
Could bundle with PSP as well.

Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.
SCEA would love PSN exclusive power ups/different game modes (like Castlevania’s flip it over/backwards)

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)
SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads – similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…

DC Digital Titles
If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
If we give them a long period of exclusivity they’ll give us more marketing support.


Japanese Import section sounds promising.

A Valkyria Chronicles PSP bundle sounds promising, provided they go full out with the PSP model instead of just making it a separate color.

"Best of" Sonic compilation sounds great!

The PS2 emulator sounds horrible :( They're going to charge for every download like PS1 Classics, so I'd rather have the original disks and the original hardware for that price.

Dreamcast Titles sounds great as well...unfortunately, I'm an Xbox 360 owner, so hardly any of this applies :( This, along with the newly released consoles, will hopefully jumpstart Sony's lagging sales and help raise attach rates.

[Nionel]

Sonic Anniversary, eh? I can only assume that by "old Sonic games" they must mean everything prior to the 2006 reboot, because that's really all I can think of that would justify a price of $99, but honestly I'd probably buy it if they did do something like that, having every single Sonic game on one blu-ray would be amazing, hopefully more companies will do this as well.

[Kid Ice]

From the document, we can see Sony intends for all PS2 titles to become available via a PS2 emulator on the PSN, meaning they get to charge people all over again for the same titles.

Why is it that when you buy a title one time you are entitled to have it for a lifetime in every format it ever becomes available?

[PentiumMMX]

Why is it that when you buy a title one time you are entitled to have it for a lifetime in every format it ever becomes available?

It's more of a "I just want to use my original disc, instead of spending $15 on a downloaded copy" kind of thing

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Dear lord, please don't let this thread turn into another debate on EULAs.

:puppydogeyes:

[Lerxstnj]

Phantasy Star Online Collection. PSO 1, 2, and Blue Burst, and PSO3. New online servers(this would be awesome and a first day purchase for me.)

Wow, if DC users could play on the same network, I'd be happy. This would bring much life back into the online games.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Dammit.

I'd PAY for a PS2 emulator on a PS3. Just let me use my 90+ games :(

[Shadow Kisuragi]

I'm in the same boat...I ended up buying a PS2 because I tired of waiting. I have an 80GB PS3 that I bought for my fiancee that never gets used :(

[chicnstu]

It says "Best of" Sonic collection, not "All of" Sonic collection. I would love a PS3 disc with all Sonic games from SA2 back (and the GBA games like in the article), but it hasn't been confirmed what is in the collection.

[kupomogli]

It says "Best of" Sonic collection, not "All of" Sonic collection. I would love a PS3 disc with all Sonic games from SA2 back (and the GBA games like in the article), but it hasn't been confirmed what is in the collection.

Who wants to bet Sonic the Hedgehog PS360 isn't on there.

[Sonicwolf]

Dammit.

I'd PAY for a PS2 emulator on a PS3. Just let me use my 90+ games :(

Same with me.

Oh please let there be backwards compatability.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Same with me.

Oh please let there be backwards compatability.

Well.

The current structure for PS1 backwards compatibility provides the ability to play both network-purchased PS1 games as well as actual disc based games ...

... the key here is whether or not Sony is going to be selling games that are still commercially available for the PS2 (which itself is still commercially available), if they're going to be making PS2 games available which you can still buy (like God of War 1/2) they might as well just re-incorporate BC as they'll make money both ways (downloads and PS2 game sales).

If they're going to sell older titles that they've stopped producing ... they'll probably see it as a more lucrative venture to not make the system fully BC as people will just pop out to Gamestop and buy the used disc based version on the cheap.

Personally I think they should just put it all back in ... while I'm sure that sales titles like "Ten Pin Alley" haven't rocked the sales charts - I'm sure that PS1 BC being compatible with the actual game discs hasn't really hurt sales on titles like MGS, Castlevania SOTN, FF7, etc. and I'd like to see some sales figures that would possibly back that thought up, I bet they're out there.

[Snapple]

I already own a PS2. I don't have a Dreamcast anymore. I'll be interested more in the DC offerings than anything else.

Or, if they release more enhanced Blu-Ray bundles like God of War Collection. GOWC is a great idea. I hope they go back to the well with more stuff like this.

[BHvrd]

Shenmue Collection in 720p on one Bluray disc. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Phantasy Star Online Collection. PSO 1, 2, and Blue Burst, and PSO3. New online servers(this would be awesome and a first day purchase for me.)

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/musik/music-smiley-026.gif

[megasdkirby]

Shenmue Collection in 720p on one Bluray disc. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Add in Shenmue 3 and I will fork over so much money, I would be in debt for YEARS.

LOL

[Sonicwolf]

If they can make the PS3 play PS2 games off of the PSN then they could just add both compatabilities. So you could get games off the PSN that you dont own but still play your classic PS2 games that you already have owned in physical form.

[The 1 2 P]

I'm interested in seeing if Sony can pull this off. But I'm even more interested in the Japanese Import Section. If they made both PS1 and PS2 imports available than I'd have to really consider snatching up a PS3 sooner rather than later.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

If they can make the PS3 play PS2 games off of the PSN then they could just add both compatabilities. So you could get games off the PSN that you dont own but still play your classic PS2 games that you already have owned in physical form.

Yeah, that's what most people are hoping for ... and is the model that they're currently using for PS1 backwards compatibility in all PS3s.

Though, with the PS2 actually still existing in the marketplace, Sony may avoid returning disc-based BC and continue to divert sales of disc based PS2 games to PS2 hardware. Which would suck, BUT is probably the more likely scenario.

[Sonicwolf]

Yeah, that's what most people are hoping for ... and is the model that they're currently using for PS1 backwards compatibility in all PS3s.

Though, with the PS2 actually still existing in the marketplace, Sony may avoid returning disc-based BC and continue to divert sales of disc based PS2 games to PS2 hardware. Which would suck, BUT is probably the more likely scenario.

When it comes to PS1, I will eventually start buying games on the PSN as I cant find half the games I want to play for the PlayStation in physical format and im pretty sure this is the same for most people. They should just give people the option for all formats.

Even if the BC isnt 100 percent perfect or compitable with all games, It would be nice to play such games as Vice City, Battlefront II, etc, in a system that you can also play PlayStation and PS3 games on. Even though I already have a PS2 and a PS1, I prefer to have less systems hooked up. I also like the idea of not fumbling with multiple memory cards.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

When it comes to PS1, I will eventually start buying games on the PSN as I cant find half the games I want to play for the PlayStation in physical format and im pretty sure this is the same for most people. They should just give people the option for all formats.

Even if the BC isnt 100 percent perfect or compitable with all games, It would be nice to play such games as Vice City, Battlefront II, etc, in a system that you can also play PlayStation and PS3 games on. Even though I already have a PS2 and a PS1, I prefer to have less systems hooked up. I also like the idea of not fumbling with multiple memory cards.

Preaching to the choir brother.

I do love my 60GB BC unit and I hope that the rest of the PS3 owning world gets a chance to have that feature returned someday.

I personally think that the most likely time that we'll see it is when Sony finally retires PS2 from retail ... because they'll want to keep selling those "bargain" priced PS2 games on disc (which they'll surely still have warehouses full of) ... and the PS3 will open that door, or KEEP IT OPEN for them at retail.

[Leo_A]

It's more of a "I just want to use my original disc, instead of spending $15 on a downloaded copy" kind of thing

Nothing in there that says you can't.

While the primary purpose no doubt would be to sell downloadable versions of PS2 titles, nothing there says it won't also work freely with your original disc in the drive. Could end up being just like how PSOne compatibility and downloads have been handled.



I personally think that the most likely time that we'll see it is when Sony finally retires PS2 from retail ... because they'll want to keep selling those "bargain" priced PS2 games on disc (which they'll surely still have warehouses full of) ... and the PS3 will open that door, or KEEP IT OPEN for them at retail.

What's your rationale for them waiting, rather than opening up that "door" as soon as possible so they start making things like Motorstorm: Arctic Edge available to PS3 owners who might be interested in the occasional PS2 title? I don't see any legitimate business reason for waiting until the console itself is discontinued before implementing PS2 compatibility.

Edit - Perhaps I misunderstood your post, are you saying they wouldn't do it until all retail sales of everything PS2 related are ended? I find that doubtful for reasons I've spoke about here in the past.

The information we've seen in this alleged official document is certainly far too vague to make any assumptions off. For starters, no one expects "all" PS2 titles to be on the service like it actually stated. It would be impossible to do such a thing since many titles, such as NASCAR Dirt to Daytona, can't be produced (Or made available via a download release) for sale due to expired licensing or the companies themselves having gone under over the past decade.

I think if they do create a PS2 emulator, it will work just like PSOne compatibility and the PSN store right now. Selected titles will be made available for release on PSN that will play via the same emulation program that allows you to play disc based titles from. Locking out disc titles would be a PR debacle in my opinion.

[j_factor]

Yakuza
Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).

I hope this doesn't mean that Yakuza 3 will be a PSN-only release.

[kedawa]

Any PSN store PS2 games will have to be recompiled for the PS3 rather than emulated.
The PS3 simply doesn't have the raw computing power to emulate the PS2 at full speed. If it did, Sony would never have included the GS and EE chips in the first PS3 models.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Any PSN store PS2 games will have to be recompiled for the PS3 rather than emulated.
The PS3 simply doesn't have the raw computing power to emulate the PS2 at full speed. If it did, Sony would never have included the GS and EE chips in the first PS3 models.

Well ... as it goes with any system running emulators, the longer time programmers spend with it, the better ways they find to utilize and maximize what little they have to work with.

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-emotion-engine-emulation-technology-for-cell-processors/

[ScourDX]

With this news I hope Sega will release Saturn and Sega CD games. It would be nice if gamers can access games from other region.

[CDiablo]

Selling PS2 games as DL games is not backwards compatibility.

Hopefully Yakuza 3 will be a BRD, I dont buy DLC games, and Yakuza is great.

Maybe DLing of Shemue 1/2 will lead to Shenmue 3.........no......I guess not.

[Famidrive-16]

Wonder what's up with that Sonic price. Either a huge collector's edition shindig or maybe a misprint?

[Sonicwolf]

Wonder what's up with that Sonic price. Either a huge collector's edition shindig or maybe a misprint?

I think they are planning a massive compilation. Im thinking it would also include the Saturn and Dreamcast games.

[Ed Oscuro]

Dear lord, please don't let this thread turn into another debate on EULAs.

:puppydogeyes:
Hurr there is a EULA on da outside of the PS2 game disc

great thinking

Even if there was it's not legally uncontroversial.

I guess some people just LOVE being shafted? And aren't we all thinking it's time that the early Disney works fell into the public domain? :hmm:

As far as I am concerned, the pay-for-BC IS the news, so if you don't care for that discussion look elsewhere.

My further thoughts: It should be bundled along free, but I am keeping in mind that they have to do extra work to keep compatibility going, so I'd pay for it if there isn't some terrible issue. I also haven't had a PS2, and being able to play slightly upgraded on a PS3 (or even just playing on a console that stays in warranty) sounds like a good deal to me.

[exit]

Hopefully Yakuza 3 will be a BRD, I dont buy DLC games, and Yakuza is great.

It would be nice to have the game on disc, but I'll take Yakuza 3 whatever way they're going to give it.

[kupomogli]

The demo to Yakuza is 1.25GB. I still have the Infamous demo on my PS3 and that one is only 1.15GB. I'm sure Yakuza 3 will come out on disc.

[RPG_Fanatic]

Dammit.

I'd PAY for a PS2 emulator on a PS3. Just let me use my 90+ games :(

I sure am glad I have a 60BG PS3 so I don't have to worry about paying for any of that.

[SegaAges]

So, DC games on PS3.

Damnit, I guess Sony might have got another sale from me. It will depend on the games as well though.

A Sonic compilation that is $99 better have some badass games in it. I know some of the later compilations, I think on PS2 and XBox, had Sonic CD on it. The compilation like that has been done before.

They would definately need to add newer games since the Ultimate Genesis Collection has the Genesis games minus Sonic CD (it is kind of like a genesis game).

A pack that has SA1, SA2, Heroes would be badass.

[Cryomancer]

For 99 bucks it better have Segasonic Arcade and a trackball controller.

[SegaAges]

For 99 bucks it better have Segasonic Arcade and a trackball controller.

Sonic Fighters as well

[kedawa]

I know some of the later compilations, I think on PS2 and XBox, had Sonic CD on it. That Was Sonic Gems Collection for Gamecube.

[j_factor]

For 99 bucks it better have Segasonic Arcade and a trackball controller.

Instant purchase from me if they did that.

A higher than normal price would probably not be related to the games contained. It probably means there will be some extra items, like that SA2 10th Anniversary bundle. Some soundtracks would be nice.