Saw game(dying to play?)

[Rapavi]

I was looking the up comming Saw game for the 360 and ps3. My first impression was like "wow...you have to be kidding me". I have not played it yet but im curious to know the game play. Anyone know how bad the game is??

[Gapporin]

If it's anything like the movies, they'll release new DLC every other year for the next twenty years.

[megasdkirby]

I hope the game doesn't suck. If it doesn't, and it's even halfway decent, I will pick it up.

Same with Ju-on. But at least Ju-on is $30, while Saw is $60.

Really hope it's good...need a good horror game...

[sonoranreptile]

It will be just like the movies.....unscary, uninventive and overpriced.....

[The 1 2 P]

If it's anything like the movies, they'll release new DLC every other year for the next twenty years.

You mean every year.....I wish they would make the movies every other year. Atleast then we'd get a little break from them.

[Robocop2]

I would have hope for it as I do enjoy the movies somewhat but the fact that it is a video game tied to an essentially lackluster movie series does not bode well for it.

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The videos released for the game aren't very convincing, at least not for an immediate purchase. My friend pointed out how the animation was completely off and at times laughably bad, the type of stuff that was passable back in the early PS2 days. I'll eventually pick this game up when it's marked down, since I'm a sucker for survival horror games and hell it can't be any worse than Alone in the Dark Inferno was.

[Oobgarm]

I gave the strat guide a look and it seems intriguing, perhaps a good $20 purchase.

Also noting that it's the first game I've seen with the "new" PS3 packaging.

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[Icarus Moonsight]

Didn't Jigsaw die? WTF?

That's more rhetorical. I've only seen the first movie and the last bit of the one where the old guy croaks...

The torture contraptions are the only thing in the movies worth watching them for. It's like Marque De Sade meets Rube Goldberg. Could this play like Tecmo's Deception? That could be wicked!!! Or are they gonna be lame and you are the one trying to escape the twisted game? The reverse would have been a much, much better concept for the license.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

While I have no faith in the game being worthwhile, I find the Saw movies to be very fun (serialized at this point) detective thrillers crossed with the torture gore genre.

And while I'm not a huge fan of horror/gore, the twists in each entry have typically been un-predictable and worth the short run-times.

One would need to have seen all the films completely, in order, and ideally close together to "get" how surprisingly complexly they're all inter-woven and linked.

I'm looking forward to see where they go with it this year ... there have been some low points (I thought 3 was pretty bad until 4 completely "made sense" out of it), but overall they have yet to disappoint me.

[portnoyd]

The Saw series could be the worst thing in the universe. The first was horrifically bad and poorly written and they've just gone down here from there.

Although published by Konami, I will guess that this game will make Superman 64 look like art by comparison.

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I'm looking forward to see where they go with it this year ... there have been some low points (I thought 3 was pretty bad until 4 completely "made sense" out of it), but overall they have yet to disappoint me.

Saw V was a disappointment, mainly due to the amount of nothing that went on. Half of it was the set up for Saw 6 and the other half felt like filler. It was a good movie in it's own right, but it's probably the most lackluster in the series so far.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Saw V was a disappointment, mainly due to the amount of nothing that went on. Half of it was the set up for Saw 6 and the other half felt like filler. It was a good movie in it's own right, but it's probably the most lackluster in the series so far.

I liked it okay, it wasn't the best, but I thought it was better than 2 or 3.

4 might have been my favorite since 1 ... but 5 closed the story with Agent Strahm nicely, and leaves us with a nice clean slate for the next installment.

I mean, I KNOW they're not the greatest films in the history of American Cinema ... but I'd hardly call them "bad" (or the worst thing in the universe)

The heavily serialized story has me hooked at this point, and I love that they link characters and events across the entire series so well.

I'll probably keep going as long as they keep making them.

But when they start going direct to DVD or (shudder) become a Sci-Fi Channel TV Series ... well, then I might give it a rest.

[walrusmonger]

The first saw was an amazing movie- one of the best horror/thriller movies I've ever seen, and I have seen many. The series went downhill after number 1, but I continue to watch them (and buy the dvd/bluray) each year :)

[Icarus Moonsight]

I don't know Frankie. I thought the first one (only one I saw fully) was slightly unique (original spin on an unoriginal premise), but very poorly executed. Texas Chainsaw Massacre was similar, but it had psychological/mind-fuck aspects that dwarf any I found in Saw. Even the remake of TCM did it better IMO... This is all subjective, but I back it up with practice by not sitting through the other sequels. Seeing the Jigsaw guy die on a slab in one part of the movies while surfing through premium cable movie channels was kinda the last coffin nail for me. The only ways that can resolve are through either flimsy contrivances or stupid "But, I'm not really dead" beat to death plot devices... Little interest, and I see many movies just because I got nothing better to do. I'd leave CNN on in the background before sitting through another Saw flick. Hostel was better. At least you feel good at the end of that one. :evil:

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I don't know Frankie. I thought the first one (only one I saw fully) was slightly unique (original spin on an unoriginal premise), but very poorly executed. Texas Chainsaw Massacre was similar, but it had psychological/mind-fuck aspects that dwarf any I found in Saw. Even the remake of TCM did it better IMO... This is all subjective, but I back it up with practice by not sitting through the other sequels. Seeing the Jigsaw guy die on a slab in one part of the movies while surfing through premium cable movie channels was kinda the last coffin nail for me. The only ways that can resolve are through either flimsy contrivances or stupid "But, I'm not really dead" beat to death plot devices... Little interest, and I see many movies just because I got nothing better to do. I'd leave CNN on in the background before sitting through another Saw flick. Hostel was better. At least you feel good at the end of that one. :evil:

Ummm ... don't know what to tell ya.

Judging a series of 5 (soon to be 6) films (by not watching them) based on your feelings about the first entry is your prerogative, and it makes perfect sense ... I certainly wouldn't watch a series of films if I didn't like the first.

But, seeing a single scene out-of-context and ASSUMING that the filmmakers used some type of clichéd narrative device ... well, that's just silly.

I don't want to spoil anything (or anything more than has already been spoiled) but, there was nothing which I find to be filmically contrived about the eventual outcome of that plot point. It's the clever stuff that they do with the writing that keeps me coming back.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Hostel are far more traditional slasher/horror genre flicks. I've seen them all, and I wouldn't group them together with Saw.

Most of the Saw movies (or at least the core narratives) are closer to cat & mouse crime thrillers. Sure, all the mentioned films have punctuated moments of intense violence, but neither TCM nor Hostel (or any series even remotely in the horror genre that I can think of) have been able to maintain as many competent (and financially successful) sequels in such a short series of time as Saw.

But, whatever, if you don't like em' you don't like em'.

[Icarus Moonsight]

The cat and mouse theme is TCM and Hostel too... Even oddball stuff like Wrong Turn! Could also be termed the roach motel genre of thriller/spiller/horror/gore. Everyone knows only the chaste virgin or those who the audience takes a severe moral beating with escape.

You are correct about one thing, I could be wrong, but I'm not investing 8 hours of my life to determine that for myself. Considering I'd have to watch the first one again, I'm even less likely. I know people like this thing otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them. :)

I just like it when the mouse gets the cat in the end, or gets away relatively unscathed, other than mental scar tissue. It's silly and sentimental and not really based in reality, but that is not what I watch a movie of this type for. Otherwise, I'd be hardcore into snuff films and that's just sick and nihilistic.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

The cat and mouse theme is TCM and Hostel too... Even oddball stuff like Wrong Turn! Could also be termed the roach motel genre of thriller/spiller/horror/gore. Everyone knows only the chaste virgin or those who the audience takes a severe moral beating with escape.

You are correct about one thing, I could be wrong, but I'm not investing 8 hours of my life to determine that for myself. Considering I'd have to watch the first one again, I'm even less likely. I know people like this thing otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them. :)

Those formulaic, iconic horror movie archetypes/characters/themes are dabbled with a BIT in a few of the Saw films (the 2nd particularly) but they're really very minute in the big picture of what is going on.

Again, the Saw films are very different than Hostel or TCM. But I suppose I can't hammer that point home if you haven't seen them all.

When I say Cat & Mouse, I'm using the crime thriller dynamic (think Manhunter/Red Dragon/Silence of the Lambs) - empowered protagonist(s) (cops) going after elusive, crafty criminal (serial killer/vigilante) - there's nothing superhuman or supernatural, lots of neat questioning of society's morals & ethics, and very little of the "helpless victims" who can run but can't hide/don't go in the basement shtick.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'd say, you are seeing a defining line between them that actually isn't there. Just the roles and outcomes/resolutions are different and the ends are only varied because the roles are. Broadly, they are very similar. The devil is in the details, maybe I missed him when I saw Saw? Or I had to watch at least another.

Still think they should have put you in the cat role in the game vs being a mouse. In a game, though escaping or defeating the cat would be a victory and a conclusion, I don't see many ways of reaching it in a good way for a survival horror concept in this case. The license fits Deceptions concept much better in my eyes. Probably because of what I gravitate toward in Saw... The odd and complicated mechanisms that represent a tangible moral struggle translated to the eyes as life through great pain, or death through consent/giving up.

I know people are used to me being a hard-objectivist. But when it falls into subjective things like entertainment (mind you, not sales or tech behind it all) I can be quite subjective. I'm sharing more than trying to win over your opinion. Or even appeal to your reason. :)

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I'd say, you are seeing a defining line between them that actually isn't there. Just the roles and outcomes/resolutions are different and the ends are only varied because the roles are. Broadly, they are very similar. The devil is in the details, maybe I missed him when I saw Saw?

Mmm, sorry,

I'd say that I'm seeing a line which is clearly defined through the course of 5 films.

You by your own admission have only seen 1, and knowing what I know via the story arc of the 5 films to date I do believe that you have in fact unfortunately missed the "devil in the details" of the Saw franchise.

I disagree with your assessments that any entry in the series is similar to either Texas Chainsaw Massacare or Hostel in any sense other than "broad" (other than all being in the sub-genre of "horror", I struggle to find cohesive similarities).

Let's just agree to disagree.

If you ever decide to watch the rest of the films, feel free to catch up with me for a continued debate.

As far as the game goes, I'm fairly convinced that it's going to be sub-par quality regardless, so I'm really not even interested in discussing its merits or what could have/would have made it better.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I've done this once already this week, and where it was warranted (unlike this)... That's quite enough for me. I thought we were talking about movies, not debating over being right about it. In this case, since it doesn't matter, you can be right. It still doesn't change my thoughts about it. Of which you have prevented yourself the benefit of further access.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Wow, you sound pretty insulted, which I find to be odd considering that you:

Specifically questioned/called out my opinion of the series.

Qualify that you haven't actually seen all entries said film series (based on your low opinion of the first entry) and you willfully enforce your ignorance on the topic by "backing it up in practice by not sitting through the other sequels".

Then you repeatedly compare the series to other largely unrelated genre films and claim that I'm somehow not able to see a broad connection between them which you believe to exist.

I mean ... come on, what did you expect?

You jump in on a conversation about a film series, tell me (and everybody reading) that you haven't seen all of them, you don't want to "waste your time" with them, and then claim that your assumptions (having not seen the films) about the characters/themes/conventions are somehow more enlightened than my intimate knowledge of the material.

On paper it looks like I should be the one to be insulted, which frankly, I'm not. I just strongly disagree with your positions, I knew that it was impossible for me to edify you on the series (you made it clear that you weren't interested) ... and really just wanted to save everybody from having to read 12 pages of stalemate positions on film series' they probably don't care about either.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Subjective positions are foolish to debate. They change constantly. Look, I was in this for some back and forth discussion and maybe you could have prevailed on me a reason for me to decide to actually give them another shot (it was going that way, though I protested, it was in the back of my mind), and with a more open view. I'm not insulted, was more disappointed. I thought we were having a good conversation, then I was told that we were debating... Sorry, not interested.

[JanLazer]

Frankly, it's a decent game. I'd rent it first, though. Seems like the achievements/trophies are easy as hell to snag.

Its not the greatest game, but I would definitely buy it after a price drop. I was quite impressed as I went in with low expectations. Not that I don't enjoy the Saw franchise..I've loved it since the first one came out but..Movie->Games tend to make me squirm a little. I'd give it a 7.5/10...

Sorry for returning the thread BACK to the original topic of the game and away from a debate on the merits of the film franchise.

[megasdkirby]

Good to hear, Jan.

So it might be worth a $20-$30 purchase, correct? I'm happy with that. :)

[JanLazer]

Good to hear, Jan.

So it might be worth a $20-$30 purchase, correct? I'm happy with that. :)

Yeah, I had a free rental at the one local movie/game place, so I snagged SAW and played until 1:30am last night. I really enjoyed it. :D Creeps a guy out when he's wearing stereo wireless headphones and all the lights are off. lol.

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A buddy of mine picked this up the other day, we played it for a couple of hours and were pleasantly surprised on how good it actually was. Sure it's not the greatest game by the long shot, but they did a pretty good job on making it feel like you're in one of Jigsaws games. There are puzzles in this game that will bring even some of Silent Hill's hardest puzzles to shame, we must have spent about an hour trying to figure out the wire puzzle and it was extremely satisfying when we finally figured it out.

The graphics aren't the greatest and the combat system is pratially broken, but it's still a solid game at it's core.

[The 1 2 P]

Between this game and Ju-on for the Wii, horror games are starting to make a comeback on consoles. Too bad both of these games suck.

[Rapavi]

Im still waiting for a good old fashion horror game :(




oh btw (saw 7) is going to be in 3-D im hearing .....

[diskoboy]

Im still waiting for a good old fashion horror game :(

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[videogameking26]

My brother picked it up for the PS3, says it plays alot like Silent Hill: Homecoming which he loved and I need to finish. Anyway he likes it and I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, he told me not to buy it and just wait till he finishes it and then I can borrow it, snag the trophies and to pick it up for the 360 when it becomes cheaper.

[Juganawt]

Apparently the game play is serviceable, but the main selling point is it's an easy 1000 gamerpoints for the achievement / trophy whore.