New Kids on the Block NES Box up for auction on eBay!

[Manhattan Sports Club]

Wow! Beat up for sure, but has anyone ever seen it surface before?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140352256400

I wonder where the cartridge is now. I really hope this gets in the hands of a game collector who knows what it is, rather than just some crazy NKOTB fan who likely doesn't (though some may differ with me, as my sister was a big NKOTB fan in her youth! ;))

[DreamTR]

It's a mockup, not the real box. We had stuff like that for photos for advertisements made up back in the day...there's a bunch of Tengen ones floating around somewhere...

[BeaglePuss]

Call it anything you want to call it, it doesn't change the fact that I WANT IT! That is a serious little chunk of video game history, and you can color me interested. If it stays even remotely reasonable I will be putting a healthy bid down. I would love to have this on a shelf in my room.

[Baloo]

Call it anything you want to call it, it doesn't change the fact that I WANT IT! That is a serious little chunk of video game history, and you can color me interested. If it stays even remotely reasonable I will be putting a healthy bid down. I would love to have this on a shelf in my room.

It's only at $26

[BeaglePuss]

It's only at $26
Correct. And it's going to end for a hell of a lot more.

You do understand how auctions work, right? They tend to start out low and increase over time until they eventually sell. At least that's how I've understood it. Am I missing something?

[mrmark0673]

It's only at $26

At one point, this was at $.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370266968824=

Nice post though...

Anyway, this New Kids box is probably the closest thing anyone is ever going to get to the prototype game, it's definitely going to be an item to watch. I wish it were in better condition though, but it's tough to complain when it very well may be one of a kind.

[Buyatari]

I'm going to buy this and burn it then post the video on Youtube.

[BeaglePuss]

I'm going to buy this and burn it then post the video on Youtube.
I'll make sure it's the most expensive fire you burn this year :-D

[Ryaan1234]

I'll make sure it's the most expensive fire you burn this year :-D

And that's why you NEVER EVER post an prototype auction on Digital Press if you want it.

(Why do you think I never told anybody about The Black Bass proto until after it sold?)

[BeaglePuss]

And that's why you NEVER EVER post an prototype auction on Digital Press if you want it.

(Why do you think I never told anybody about The Black Bass proto until after it sold?)

This was all over NA before I spotted it here. Something like this wouldn't have flown under the radar long.

[Ryaan1234]

This was all over NA before I spotted it here. Something like this wouldn't have flown under the radar long.
Yeah.... I know. I had a feeling that you already knew about this. Sometimes thing like this can fly under the radar if they weren't listed on eBay properly.

[portnoyd]

Something like this wouldn't have flown under the radar long.

Considering the guy is also selling a loose Myriad, that's very likely.

[mrmark0673]

Considering the guy is also selling a loose Myriad, that's very likely.

Girl, and the Myriad now has a box :)

She has some really cool stuff, everyone was going to see this at some point.

[Buyatari]

I'll make sure it's the most expensive fire you burn this year :-D

Not a problem it will all be covered when the event goes to pay per view !

[BeaglePuss]

Not a problem it will all be covered when the event goes to pay per view !
Hahaha! Touche my good man.

[Devhackr]

Is this official in any way, or is this a mockup that the magazine made. Either way I couldn't think of anything I'd rather own less. Buyatari, I'll donate to the burn fund. This abomination needs to be put down!

[BeaglePuss]

I'm sure it was used in a magazine, but why would the magazine be the one to make the mock-up? I don't think they would have a vested interest in marketing such a shittastic title. I would assume that the mock-up was at the very least made by Mattel. That's the only scenario that would make sense to me, but there are plenty of members here that are far more knowledgeable when it comes to such things.

I've heard speculation that this auction might end in four digits. And no, I'm not joking. I have a feeling people are going to flip their shit when this thing ends. I can't wait to see how this plays out.


Is this official in any way, or is this a mockup that the magazine made. Either way I couldn't think of anything I'd rather own less. Buyatari, I'll donate to the burn fund. This abomination needs to be put down!

[portnoyd]

If the Robocop statue only ended for $340, there is no way this could end at $1000+.... right?

[DreamTR]

Nah, it's going to go high....

[TRM]

I'm sure it was used in a magazine, but why would the magazine be the one to make the mock-up? I don't think they would have a vested interest in marketing such a shittastic title. I would assume that the mock-up was at the very least made by Mattel. That's the only scenario that would make sense to me, but there are plenty of members here that are far more knowledgeable when it comes to such things.

I've heard speculation that this auction might end in four digits. And no, I'm not joking. I have a feeling people are going to flip their shit when this thing ends. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Yeah I'm with you on both issues. Probably a mockup for promo purposes by the company that was gonna put the game out, also cant wait to see how much it goes for...

[Balloon Fight]

I've heard speculation that this auction might end in four digits. And no, I'm not joking. I have a feeling people are going to flip their shit when this thing ends. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Haha. I swear if this does go for 4 digits I'm not even sure what I'll think.

*Watches item*

[Ryaan1234]

Haha. I swear if this does go for 4 digits I'm not even sure what I'll think.

*Watches item*

Ditto.

lol if it goes for more than $200. I think that it's in such rough shape that it might turn off a lot of buyers. I think only a crazy person would pay more than that for it. (/me glances at BeaglePuss)

[BeaglePuss]

Ditto.

lol if it goes for more than $200. I think that it's in such rough shape that it might turn off a lot of buyers. I think only a crazy person would pay more than that for it. (/me glances at BeaglePuss)
I don't think the condition will matter due to the fact that it's a one of a kind box. My brother actually directed me to an article that talked about how the guys over at EMG used to use the box as a hockey puck in the office. I can't find the link at the moment, but I will post it when I do.

I was hoping to get this for <$200, but that doesn't seem to be a reality. I've heard more than one person throwing around INSANE numbers, some in the thousands. This one is not going to be cheap, and at this rate I would be astonished if I win it to be honest.

I could buy an unreleased game for less than what this unreleased box is going to sell for. I don't know if i can stomach dropping that kind of cash on such a thing. If it stays even remotely reasonable, I will most certainly make a run. At this rate I might have to hang out on the sidelines with everyone else.

[Ryaan1234]

I could buy an unreleased game for less than what this unreleased box is going to sell for. I don't know if i can stomach dropping that kind of cash on such a thing. If it stays even remotely reasonable, I will most certainly make a run. At this rate I might have to hang out on the sidelines with everyone else.
That's good to know. I was just joking about how much you'd pay for it. I'm actually kinda of happy that we both had the same estimate on the box. I now know that I'm not a complete cheapskate when it comes to video game stuff. I will be watching this item just to see where it goes.

On a related note: Have you seen any other prototype NES boxes before? I've seen a few Atari ones and they brought in the $250 range. I think the Atari box was for the unreleased Star Wars game.

[BeaglePuss]

On a related note: Have you seen any other prototype NES boxes before? I've seen a few Atari ones and they brought in the $250 range. I think the Atari box was for the unreleased Star Wars game.
I have seen some, but very few. The only one I can remember offhand is a Black Bass prototype game/box combo that Dream owns. I know he has more, but that's the only one I can think of right now.

I would think that a prototype box for a released game wouldn't fetch a ton of cash unless it's a particularly desirable title (Megaman, Contra, etc). $75-$150 maybe?

I think this one is such a big deal because it's a title that has been talked about for nearly two decades. I'm loosing faith when it comes to finding the game itself, so this is the next best thing.

I think this will be the most interesting auction to watch this year. I can't wait to see where this ends!

[DreamTR]

Whoooooooooooooaaaa Ohhhhhhh Ohhhhhh Ohhhhhh O.

[Ryaan1234]

I think this one is such a big deal because it's a title that has been talked about for nearly two decades. I'm loosing faith when it comes to finding the game itself, so this is the next best thing.

/me waits patiently for the Married With Children prototype box to show up.

[DreamTR]

I saw documentation on that game..I need to actually get that paperwork from my buddy...there's a LOT of crazy stuff in those file folders...

[TRM]

I thought there was a Talespin proto box floating around, though I don't think it was as much of a mockup as this one is. I also have a box which came with a prototype cart, though it looks the same as the released, so it could be, dunno.

[Buyatari]

That's good to know. I was just joking about how much you'd pay for it. I'm actually kinda of happy that we both had the same estimate on the box. I now know that I'm not a complete cheapskate when it comes to video game stuff. I will be watching this item just to see where it goes.

On a related note: Have you seen any other prototype NES boxes before? I've seen a few Atari ones and they brought in the $250 range. I think the Atari box was for the unreleased Star Wars game.

There are several for Atari off the top of my head these prototype boxes exist.

Rush Hour
Dumbo's Flying Circus
Hulk
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Ewok Adventure
Donld Duck Speedboat race


In private sales they can get very expensive. 800-1000+ each on ebay it depends who sees them and how much they have to spend at the time.

[Ryaan1234]

There are several for Atari off the top of my head these prototype boxes exist.

Rush Hour
Dumbo's Flying Circus
Hulk
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Ewok Adventure
Donld Duck Speedboat race


In private sales they can get very expensive. 800-1000+ each on ebay it depends who sees them and how much they have to spend at the time.
Man, I didn't know that my memory was that bad. The more that I think about it the Star Wars box brought closer $800, not $250. Dunno where I got that.

Don't get me wrong, the boxes are cool, but for $800-1000 I would want to get the actual game. (for me at least) There's no fun in just a box. (Wheee! I'm looking at it!!!)

[DreamTR]

Man, I didn't know that my memory was that bad. The more that I think about it the Star Wars box brought closer $800, not $250. Dunno where I got that.

Don't get me wrong, the boxes are cool, but for $800-1000 I would want to get the actual game. (for me at least) There's no fun in just a box. (Wheee! I'm looking at it!!!)

People collect sealed games also in this same sense. They just "look" at the games.

[SparTonberry]

Correct. And it's going to end for a hell of a lot more.

You do understand how auctions work, right? They tend to start out low and increase over time until they eventually sell. At least that's how I've understood it. Am I missing something?

Yes, probably won't be interesting until the last 30 seconds.
(the Campus Challenge cart more than doubled in the last two minutes)

[Ryaan1234]

It just sold for $589 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140352256400&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true)!!!

[BeaglePuss]

It just sold for $589 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140352256400&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true)!!!
That's a lot more reasonable than what I thought it would sell for.

I bid conservatively in the end after all. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that type of cash on such an item (although in hindsight I think the price is fair).

DreamTR appears to be the new owner of the box by the way. Congrats on the purchase Mr. Wilson.

[Ryaan1234]

DreamTR appears to be the new owner of the box by the way. Congrats on the purchase Mr. Wilson.
Oooh. I hope I didn't insult you earlier with that remark about paying a lot for just a box, Dream. I understand the joy of owning something that is completely unique (even though I don't). I hope you'll enjoy it, because it is a seriously cool item.

[scooterb23]

$589 for a scanned picture from a game magazing duct taped to a box? Hell, give me a couple hours, and I'll make a few hundred of 'em for ya. I won't charge over $200 apiece either.

[BeaglePuss]

$589 for a scanned picture from a game magazing duct taped to a box? Hell, give me a couple hours, and I'll make a few hundred of 'em for ya. I won't charge over $200 apiece either.

The box came from EGM's office. I think that makes it a different story.

I hear what you're saying, but people aren't paying for the box, they're paying for the history that comes with it. Different people are into different shit, you know?

[i2a2n2]

correction $589.00 for the only known Prototype box for an unreleased nes game that is 100% legit the person who was selling it was the wife of an individual who worked at EGM this is said hockey puck from said magazine.if you think thats much I wouldn't even want to guess what the actual game's prototype would go for.

*edit post was ment for before BeaglePuss's ;)

[scooterb23]

The box came from EGM's office. I think that makes it a different story.

I hear what you're saying, but people aren't paying for the box, they're paying for the history that comes with it. Different people are into different shit, you know?

I can grab a box from EGM's offices if it'll help ;)

Hey. I know that everybody's got their something. To me it's one thing. To others, it means something a lot different. I'm cool with that. I just felt like tossing in a little needle, nothing more :)

[portnoyd]

I kinda gotta agree with scoots. It's less than a prototype box. But whatever.

[BeaglePuss]

I know what you're saying, and I do agree to an extent. With that being said, technically Stadium Events is just a crappy track and field game. You know what I mean?


I kinda gotta agree with scoots. It's less than a prototype box. But whatever.

[portnoyd]

Yes, it's all about perspective in that it's not something you'll ever see, from a game that may never surface, but the SE example is not a good one.

[BeaglePuss]

Yes, it's all about perspective in that it's not something you'll ever see, from a game that may never surface, but the SE example is not a good one.
How so? SE is an extremely rare game that is terrible but desirable. The cardboard alone for this crappy sports title is worth upwards of $10,000. It's a piece of cardboard for a game that is extremely valuable. I understand that it's a released title, and that it's more desirable as a result, but I don't think it's a terrible example. They're both pieces of history from the NES, just different history. I think something like the NWC would be a poorer example, but still have some similar truths.

I'm not trying to split hairs with you, so please don't get me wrong. I completely understand your point. Like anything else in collecting though, it always boils down to different strokes for different folks.

[Devhackr]

Honestly, had I suddenly come into contact with a few milion dollars I would have bought it. I've never been much of a collector though, with my focus being on function rather then gathering materials. Although I do have a handful of NES/Genesis prototypes I hold on to, those are only for a rainy day. And only one is unreleased. But a box of an unreleased game for a halfass white version of New Edition? To each their own.

I wish there was an N*sync boxart out there, I'd love to see how much that would go for!

[TheRedEye]

I wish there was an N*sync boxart out there, I'd love to see how much that would go for!

My friend got me a sealed copy of N*sync for the GBC from a dollar store, so something less than a dollar I'd imagine.

[Devhackr]

Really? I had no clue that they actually made a game, I was just pulling that out of my ass.

[BeaglePuss]

Here's a link to the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120486406833&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI

Apparently Dream didn't end up with it after all.

[MASTERWEEDO]

reseller or the same seller as before?

[mrmark0673]

Same seller, Beags was saying that although Dream was the high bidder he didn't end up with the box for one reason or another.

[portnoyd]

Apparently it was because he was shilling it for the seller. Oops.

[BeaglePuss]

Apparently it was because he was shilling it for the seller. Oops.
* Copy + Paste:
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=21&catid=3&threadid=24804

It's an interesting read for all of you DreamTR fans out there. . .

:popcorn:

[Buyatari]

NICE !

One more chance for me to buy this and BURN IT !

[BeaglePuss]

NICE !

One more chance for me to buy this and BURN IT !
Unless of course Dream bids it up again with no intentions of winning. . .

If you do manage to get it, be sure to post all PPV details. I would want to see it live (watching a replay just wouldn't be the same).

[Buyatari]

Unless of course Dream bids it up again with no intentions of winning. . .

If you do manage to get it, be sure to post all PPV details. I would want to see it live (watching a replay just wouldn't be the same).

Ohh I WILL bid and if I do win it will be burned and YOUTUBED !

Hmmm............

Perhaps I'll do it live at a game convention...........

[badinsults]

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[megasdkirby]

* Copy + Paste:
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=21&catid=3&threadid=24804

It's an interesting read for all of you DreamTR fans out there. . .

:popcorn:

Interesting topic for a Lifetime movie. LOL

[BeaglePuss]

Interesting topic for a Lifetime movie. LOL
It should also be mentioned that he's made three offers on the Mondu's Fight Palace prototype auction, and an $80 bid on a Super Glove Ball prototype that just ended. All this, yet he couldn't pay for the NKOTB box. . .

What a turd.LOL

[Ryaan1234]

What a turd.LOL
I hope that this thread doesn't turn into a "DreamTR sucks" discussion like past threads in this subforum. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt that he really did think that the box would go over $589 and that he really didn't have the funds to pay for it (even though evidence says otherwise).

So, what sort of price does everybody think that the box will hit now?

(I'm sticking with my "lol if it goes over $200" that I said earlier.)

[BeaglePuss]

Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt that he really did think that the box would go over $589 and that he really didn't have the funds to pay for it (even though evidence says otherwise).

He's been given the benefit of the doubt, and it gets old frankly.

He bid on an item he didn't plan on winning in the interest of raising the price (dick), he negotiated a lower price after the auction ended (lame), he's purchased hundreds of dollars worth of video game merchandise even though he claimed to not have funds to purchase the box (pathetic), and he's offered no sort of apology (typical).

He's been an elitist prick for years. Calling him a turd should be considered polite under the circumstances. I'm just glad people are finally realizing how much of a douche bag he really is.

[TonyTheTiger]

When he says "I didn't expect to win." The story hinges on that sentence because it can be interpreted in two ways, one excusable, the other not.

1) He expected the thing to sell for a lot and assumed his $700 bid was low but took a shot on the chance he would get lucky. He "didn't expect to win." The auction ended and he actually did get lucky. But, oops. Life got in the way and now he can't afford to pay. It happens.

2) He bid with solely the intent to inflate the price expecting it to go higher than his max. He never had any intention to buy the thing from the start. He "didn't expect to win."

Without knowing the guy better I can't say which is more likely.

But the problem is this:

"I bid $700 on the auction, but did not have the means to pay for said item after I won because I was actually very surprised I "won" the auction in the first place."

Why would somebody bid on an item when they didn't have the money from the start?

[BeaglePuss]

Why would somebody bid on an item when they didn't have the money from the start?

For starters, he had the money to pay for it as his recent eBay purchases prove. Secondly, he bid it up to intentionally inflate the price of legitimate bidders.

He admitted that he bid the auction up as a "Favor" (His word, not mine) to the seller, although he has no relationship with the seller. He didn't want to win, he wanted to inflate the price, and when he did win he didn't want to man up and pay the end price. In turn, he negotiated a lower price of $400 and still managed to bail out on that deal.

A stand-up guy that Mr. Wilson. . .

[TonyTheTiger]

For starters, he had the money to pay for it as his recent eBay purchases prove. Secondly, he bid it up to intentionally inflate the price of legitimate bidders.

He admitted that he bid the auction up as a "Favor" (His word, not mine) to the seller, although he has no relationship with the seller. He didn't want to win, he wanted to inflate the price, and when he did win he didn't want to man up and pay the end price. In turn, he negotiated a lower price of $400 and still managed to bail out on that deal.

A stand-up guy that Mr. Wilson. . .

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to somebody regarding ability/inability to pay because I have no clue what a person's finances are like nor do I know the details of each individual transaction regardless of what the perceived buying/selling history may be. I think it's fair to put all that to one side for lack of complete information. What should be analyzed is the explanation itself rather than outside info that may or may not be well detailed.

But bidding up an item for the sole purpose of inflating the price on behalf of a seller he has no known relationship with? Why would somebody do that? Just to screw with people?

[portnoyd]

I'm just glad NA forum members are finally realizing how much of a douche bag he really is.

I think everyone else that has been around here pre-NA was well aware of the man with a mane's business tactics. He's smart as shit, that's for sure but he's also just a tad shady. It always amazed me how NA and DTR got along like BFFs.

What happened is this: From former game rag editor to wife of former game rag editor, DTR, without even remotely being smooth about it, tossed a bid on that auction to boost the price. Hence his 'you'll need $700 to win this' comment. He did it as he said, a favor. The reason being their association in the videogame press.

Also, he had just picked up 5 Genesis protos from her for $200, so he probably thought he was balancing the deal by getting more money for her. When he got stuck with it, he didn't want to pay that much so instead of sacking up and spending the cash, he bailed. Pretty much supports that his $700 comment was total bullshit.

[TonyTheTiger]

But why? That's what I'm curious about. If somebody is going to do that there must be a reason for it.

[portnoyd]

I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine? The concept that all marines are brothers and should be treated as such. That kinda thing, just way nerdier.

[TonyTheTiger]

Maybe.

It's just that some of the things he's said could be construed in a few ways.

"I think you are confused, I said I was "doing the seller a favor" as a comment that publicly it was going to take $700 at least to win the item without actually saying it was me. That is what the comment meant because I max bid $700. The final value only went for $589, I can't control that."

1) He "can't control" the final price of the auction being higher than he could afford at the time he won. He intended at first to pay up to $700 but couldn't after one of life's little surprises hit him.

2) He "can't control" the fact that he actually won an auction he only intended to inflate. This would mean that he never intended to pay anywhere close to $700 when he entered the bid.

3) He "can't control" the fact that it ended lower than his original comment about it "going to take $700 to win." Basically, he was explaining away his past comment as an overestimation rather than explaining his lack of payment which would be a separate issue this statement does not refer to.

I suppose the word "only" leans to #2 or #3.

For the record, I don't know what DreamTR's past practices are like. If this happens a lot then maybe that explains the lack of any benefit of the doubt. But based on what I'm seeing from just this event there's at least some semblance of a chance it is innocent.

It depends a lot on whether or not his "it'll take $700" comment meant that it'll take over $700 because any less than that I will win and will pay (which he ended up not being able to do), or meant that it'll take $700 because that's what I inflated it to and any less than that it'll be relisted because I will not actually pay for it so if you want it then man up and pay the inflated price.

I happen to agree that if it's the latter that's sleazy as hell. But I don't think it's clear cut enough for me to be certain that's what's going on.

[ianoid]

Classic collecting is a small community, and there isn't as much room as you guys think for personal attacks. At some point you will want something from DTR and you will have to do something sideways to get it, like having a friend buy it or operating under a pseudonym. Guaranteed this will come back to bite you.

Frankly it's none of your business what happened with an auction. You bid and you either win or lose. If the item doesn't get paid for and it's offered again, you bid again.

If this was anyone else, you wouldn't give it a thought, but since you have an axe to grind with this particular buyer, anything he does will just reinforce your beliefs.

Frankly I find flaming distasteful and trolltastic. This isn't IGN or some anonymous insignificant forum comprised of thousands of 14 year olds. You will go to a gaming show, you will see DTR and anyone else you flamed, and you will feel stupid when you meet him/them in person. And then perhaps you will accept it as a lesson learned.

There are all kinds of collectors with different approaches. I may not agree with how everyone goes about their collecting, but I just don't think it's my place to publicly attack those people. And I try not to say anything privately, because eventually I meet the person and they are generally fine people.

I'm not a mod, I can't lock these threads, but this should have been locked many posts ago.

[Ed Oscuro]

Frankly it's none of your business what happened with an auction.
Shilling affects everybody. As you say, it's a small hobby. Granted, it's not the end of the world; overenthusiastic collectors are probably much worse for prices even without shilling.


I'm not a mod, I can't lock these threads, but this should have been locked many posts ago.
It's nice to just get the basic facts out there.

For my take, whatever it's worth, it makes no sense to me that the seller was in cahoots with DTR - if she did she VERY casually burned him. If they were actually working together we wouldn't have heard a word of this, even if everybody was sending her messages. I suppose it's remotely possible she flinched, but that doesn't seem right. I think what actually happened is that, for his own reasons, he shilled the price without her asking for it; he sent her that comment in the hopes that it wouldn't be made public but would make her feel he was actually doing something for her (some buyers are smart enough not to pay a shilled / inflated price the second time an item comes up, but DTR banks on many buyers making inflated purchases anyway).

I think this was a "Freudian slip" for DTR, letting slip the way he internally views the hobby and not being prepared for somebody else not playing that same game.

In any case: Bad show, don't expect anybody to learn from it.

[Ryaan1234]

He bid on an item he didn't plan on winning in the interest of raising the price (dick), he negotiated a lower price after the auction ended (lame), he's purchased hundreds of dollars worth of video game merchandise even though he claimed to not have funds to purchase the box (pathetic), and he's offered no sort of apology (typical).

He's been an elitist prick for years. Calling him a turd should be considered polite under the circumstances. I'm just glad people are finally realizing how much of a douche bag he really is.

This thread is about a prototype NKOTB video game box. If you had read the beginning of my post where I said "I hope this doesn't turn into a 'DreamTR sucks' thread" you might realize that I was trying to change the subject.



I'm not a mod, I can't lock these threads, but this should have been locked many posts ago.

This.

When you guys go on a tangent about DreamTR it always ends badly. Stop it now. I know that DreamTR does operate in ways that not all of us like, but at least keep your griping to yourselves.

[TonyTheTiger]

I know that DreamTR does operate in ways that not all of us like, but at least keep your griping to yourselves.

Operating in a way some people don't approve of is one thing. But does he operate in a way that could be considered sleazy? If not then he's being attacked unjustly and that should be the end of it. If so then spreading the word the guy's not on the up and up is probably prudent for future potential victims.

As I've said, I don't know one way or the other. I've been willing to give the benefit of the doubt since I've not seen anything conclusive. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[mrmark0673]

Classic collecting is a small community, and there isn't as much room as you guys think for personal attacks. At some point you will want something from DTR and you will have to do something sideways to get it, like having a friend buy it or operating under a pseudonym. Guaranteed this will come back to bite you.

Ian, Matt and I have more undumped, unreleased NES games than Dream, you do know that right? Dream doesn't command the "market" or "contacts" the way you'd think, I assure you that nothing is going to bite us in he ass.

The only way it could bite us in the ass is if Dream shills up an auction on an item that he knows we want and he can't afford. We don't operate that way, we just spend more money than most others on NES protos and the like right now. Look at the "9 new protos thread" or even the Super Glove Ball proto that Dream bid on even though he's short on funds. We ended up with those, we ended up the Kitty's Catch lot, we ended up with a half dozen unreleased NES games in the last 6 months. Why? Because we respect the sellers, we respect the community, and we counter any offer that we can so the seller gets a fair price. Shill bidding and shady tactics have no place in this community, bottom line.

[Ed Oscuro]

We need to open a subforum for pikers and shillers, apparently* LOL

This thread is about a prototype NKOTB video game box. If you had read the beginning of my post where I said "I hope this doesn't turn into a 'DreamTR sucks' thread" you might realize that I was trying to change the subject.
Oh, the torment of not owning the Forum so you can dictate what others write. Very unfortunate. (Yes, it can be taken too far, but I don't think everybody should be extending congratulations on a job well done here.)

* Yes, there's already a Forum for whining, sorry about that. See the second line again.


The only way it could bite us in the ass is if Dream shills up an auction on an item that he knows we want and he can't afford. We don't operate that way, we just spend more money than most others on NES protos and the like right now. [...] we respect the sellers, we respect the community, and we counter any offer that we can so the seller gets a fair price. Shill bidding and shady tactics have no place in this community, bottom line.
Finally, some sense. Thanks for taking this reasonably by the way; more people need to get away from the knee-jerk "ugh not more griping" and examine the real issues here.

Despite what I said just above about over-enthusiastic buyers - yes, they can be bad for the hobby, but ultimately the games will be freed up. Smart buyers really don't need additional headaches on top of that.

[portnoyd]

Classic collecting is a small community, and there isn't as much room as you guys think for personal attacks. At some point you will want something from DTR and you will have to do something sideways to get it, like having a friend buy it or operating under a pseudonym. Guaranteed this will come back to bite you.

Please. If you want to buy something from DTR, he will sell it to you. He doesn't care enough to deny a transaction.


Frankly it's none of your business what happened with an auction. You bid and you either win or lose. If the item doesn't get paid for and it's offered again, you bid again.

That's just foolish. So now you blindly overpay without knowing the real story? When the #1 NES collector won't even pay $400 for something? You're going to use the last auction as a benchmark. What if that benchmark was tampered with? Shouldn't you know?


If this was anyone else, you wouldn't give it a thought, but since you have an axe to grind with this particular buyer, anything he does will just reinforce your beliefs.

They'd get roasted over the coals too. The difference is the situation DTR is in with his former career and what he collects/is known for creates a unique scenario you won't find many people in. The price of nerd fame.


Frankly I find flaming distasteful and trolltastic. This isn't IGN or some anonymous insignificant forum comprised of thousands of 14 year olds. You will go to a gaming show, you will see DTR and anyone else you flamed, and you will feel stupid when you meet him/them in person. And then perhaps you will accept it as a lesson learned.

Unless you can find someone with a big enough sack to bring the Internet Tough Guy to Real Life Tough Guy. It's rare, especially for a gaming community.

[DreamTR]

*Sigh*

I'll make this really simple since again a couple of guys really like to make posts about me, and go through my eBay buying/bidding history.

1. I made an NA post saying it would take $700 to win this game. I never revealed I was bidding because you never know if people will sabotage auctions knowing someone is bidding on something, so I kept it a secret.

2. I told the seller I was "doing her a favor" bidding $700 on the item as a remark saying she's going to at least get $700 for it because that is what it would take to beat me to get the item. She knew I was bidding, but that it. At the time I HAD money for the item.

3. When I won I was very surprised because I completely thought it was going to go for more, but I was more shocked because I had three bills due two of which I did not realize: A) Liability insurance on my business for the year. B) Sales Taxes for a 3 month period.

4. I spoke to the seller when I won and asked how long she would allow me to pay. She told me if it was longer than a few weeks, she would rather sell it to the second/third highest bidders. SHE lowered the price to $400 (and to re-clarify, I did NOT negotiate this with her, she OFFERED to lower the price to help me out financially) but I told her it still might take a few weeks, I did not know.

5. Needless to say I was embarrassed about this, but we filed a Non Mutual Agreement Message and that was that. End of story. Nothing more. No shill bidding.

Now this is where it gets interesting:
I already posted this on Nintendo Age, and certain parties have made it a point to try and rip on me and say I am "shady" and all that.

This was not a case of someone paying me money and me not shipping said item. I have never done that to anyone. For some reason me not paying for something when I did apologize about it is not enough because certain parties want to try and have it out against me by looking at my buying history on eBay and even checking my feedback on Nintendo Age Forums to try and see how much I have been spending lately to make it look like I "could" purchase this item.

I sell on eBay/message boards and use that money to buy stuff for the business. Most of the items I am getting are for the business anyway sans some Genesis prototypes I bought before this auction ended when I had money. My financial business is not really anyone's business, but believe me, I did not have the money for the item, and we agreed I would not purchase it, the seller got her fees back and she relisted it. I apologized to her and that should have been it, but some NA folks messaged her like crazy about this with one of them even saying they were going to "post" what she told them if she did not do it herself. The post was really the "comment" that is taken out of context because it did not mean anything.

Do I have a history of buying things and not paying for them? No. I get buyers that do that all the time to me, but we're talking about a crusade by a couple of individuals who don't like me or the way I do business trying to turn the corner on others with these incessant posts.

Just check how much they post about it/me when there is the opportunity!

And yes, I admit I am defensive but I don't want people to be confused on what is fact and what is exaggeration.

That's it.


And to add to a few things:

Portnoyd, money is money, but I do deny transactions from people.

Who said I was the #1 NES collector? I don't buy sealed games or thousand dollar games unless it is for the business and I have to SELL stuff to get money FOR this stuff. That is ALWAYS the case. I never have money for hardly anything unless I sell stuff but when bills come up, I have to make a decision and this was one of those lack of judgments I had not knowing this stuff was stemming.

Again, I apologized for it, but some people didn't read that far on the NA thread I suppose.

Also, people have done this in the past with way more money than I have ever had (I am not naming names) but this happens. It's life, stuff comes up, I apologized to the seller and moved on while others wanted to make threads about it after other forums CLOSED the threads.

Now, as for the "I have more protos than Dream that are dumped and unreleased" comment made my mrmark towards ianoid....

I rarely post much about my games. I don't have as much time as I would like, and frankly, I get yelled at a lot by a couple of people like it's a witch hunt or something. I don't really do a lot of stuff with pics of everything I have and all, but I can say this, I have 32 unreleased NES prototypes and 17 of them are UNDUMPED and this does not include USA Bowling. This is just for the NES. I'm not trying to be arrogant about that, but when someone repeatedly says they have more undumped prototypes than I do numerous times and I'm the one being called an elitist among other things, I dunno, LOL

But to sum it all up, I was not shill bidding, that would have required the seller to know I was boosting it, and I DID plan on buying this, but my bills came up, that was that and we mutually agreed to end the transaction. Yes, I have been buying some stuff as of late, most of it for the business, but if you notice how much stuff I have been trying to sell to get to it, it's not like I had money lying around for this after we agreed to not complete the transaction.