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RyanMurf
11-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Okay, so I stop to get gas at an exxon station and two guys in a van pull up asking me if i wanted to buy an xbox 360. So i thought about it and said okay what do you have and how much. They open the back of the van and they have at least 20 xbox 360's elites with pure and lego batman bundled. I asked how much and they said 200. I then said thinking I would be turned down instantly...how about 100 thats all i got. to my suprise the guy says sold with out hesitation. So now I have this brand new elite that I bought for 100 dollars. Now im thinking that this systme is prob stolen from some warehouse judging by the quantity they had. If thats the case would you guys think its safe to hook it up online? Should I take that chance? I will wait to hear from you guys...Thanks!!

dylan0228
11-04-2009, 09:51 PM
Interesting...I would be pretty hard-pressed to pass on $100 Elite. I don`t know about your online worries for sure, but I know they can identify your console through your gamertag somehow. Someone on here will probably know more about it. Interested to hear more!

megasdkirby
11-04-2009, 09:52 PM
I know they can track you down using the console's MAC address, but when a console is logged to LIVE, is it possible for Microsoft to see the console's serial number?

RyanMurf
11-04-2009, 09:57 PM
Thats what Im worried about...if they can track the MAC adress then cant they see what serial number matches that mac address?

skaar
11-04-2009, 09:59 PM
Well... US law might be different but...

Myself I'd probably go to the cops and tell them the story and give them a description of the guys. They MIGHT take your console as "evidence" but really since there's not much to go on they'll probably just take a statement from you. At least your conscience will be clear. And if someone comes knocking you'll have a report filed.

I had this happen with a PDA back in like 2002. Some guy outside the mall asked me if I wanted one (the laptop bag was probably a hint I was a computer guy)

He had like six in his trunk and offered me one for $50. I opened it and fired it up, worked fine. Wrote his license number in it and went down to the police station. ;)

I kept the PDA and actually gave it away a year later to one of my students.

portnoyd
11-04-2009, 10:02 PM
When a van pulls up asking to sell you something like that, it's 100% stolen. Happened to me in a supermarket parking lot, 'expensive stereo system'.

RyanMurf
11-04-2009, 10:03 PM
Id love to do that and be a complete saint:angel: but then id be out 100 dollars.

dylan0228
11-04-2009, 10:04 PM
I would assume that whatever retailer that is missing the possibly stolen Xbox`s has the serial numbers & would probably report that. Microsoft would probably have a system for tracking the serial numbers & possibly link it to you! I know ignorance isn`t an excuse for criminal activity, but how are you to know they were stolen? Did the guys look shady? The only other safe way to do it, & this may end up as a loss of your $100, is to contact the police & express your concerns. If your quick enough they may be able to retain your money if it was stolen. I`m sure they probably have cameras outside the gas station somewhere. What good is the Xbox if you can`t use it?

skaar
11-04-2009, 10:05 PM
Why would you be out the 100? You just suspect it, nothing proven.

RyanMurf
11-04-2009, 10:08 PM
Im taking these opinions into some extreme consideration. the dead give away for me that made me think they were stolen was that theres was 20-30 systems in the van. It had crossed my mind that they could be stolen when i bought it but I didnt realize until I got home that the system could possibly be tracked if it is used online. My other option that I think I have is to change the serial number and mac adress of the xbox using a donor old xbox that I have that died from RROd.

SegaAges
11-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Well, what is the excuse they told you? Did they give you the "our boss ordered too many and we need to get rid of them" line?

I got hit with that with a stereo speaker when I was in college.

If you are that worried, take it to the cops. If not, try it out and try to play some games on it.

skaar
11-04-2009, 10:32 PM
Or donate it to charity, 'tis the season.

You're not in Secret Santa this year are you?

Steve W
11-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Well, here's a crazy idea... don't go online with it. I've never gone online with mine. Mainly because I've worked retail for so long that I'm now a bitter, antisocial person who doesn't want to interact with 14 year old douchebags online calling me a faggot after I frag him over and over. Just because it's capable of going online doesn't mean that's the only way you can play it. Y'know, they still make single player games.


Why do you talk to people hocking crap in parking lots to begin with? I f*cking hate people pestering me for money in parking lots. Some guy did that to me just this afternoon. When he starts his little spiel, I just say "I'm not interested, I don't care". I go through it all the time. Especially in thrift store parking lots, for some reason. Where you would think that people wouldn't have very much money to begin with.

dao2
11-04-2009, 11:20 PM
i will remove ur worry for $50 + shipping :P

emceelokey
11-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Nothing is going to happen. The only thing you have to worry about is if the system breaks down, then MS won't cover anything... they might even do that actually. As for going online. My first 360 I bought from a friend and that broke down, I got a replace from MS, played that for a bit online but then bought a brand new model with newer parts. So basically three different consoles, one gamer tag and they could care less. As long as your console isn't modded you'll be fine.

NayusDante
11-04-2009, 11:28 PM
If they CAN identify a stolen console when it goes online, all they can see is your gamertag and your IP. From there, it's a question of whether you have personal identification information on the gamertag you use, or whether they subpoena ISPs for the identity of an IP holder suspected of theft.

Why not call waranty service and ask them to run a check on the serial number? Tell them what happened, and let them know that you'd like to know if they've gotten any claims on it or not. If they accuse YOU of stealing, ask for the supervisor and make it clear that YOU called THEM, and cooperate with them to do whatever it is they do with stolen consoles.

Was it in a box? If not, might be a refurb unit. Who knows how the supply chain for those works.

kedawa
11-05-2009, 01:12 AM
I can guarantee that EB and GameStop buy and sell thousands of stolen consoles a year. If the issue ever comes up, just say you bought it second hand. There's no need for paranoia.

Poofta!
11-05-2009, 01:18 AM
dont listen to any of these boyscouts. stolen or not, you have yourself a brand new sweet system, best on the market, for 100$. connect it online or not, you have it. if youre hesitating id be glad to take it off you for 150$ console only =D i need a second one for my pc table.

Leo_A
11-05-2009, 01:58 AM
Well, here's a crazy idea... don't go online with it. I've never gone online with mine. Mainly because I've worked retail for so long that I'm now a bitter, antisocial person who doesn't want to interact with 14 year old douchebags online calling me a faggot after I frag him over and over. Just because it's capable of going online doesn't mean that's the only way you can play it. Y'know, they still make single player games.


There's tons of excellent things you'd be missing out on besides online multiplayer. My 360 experience would be very different if I hadn't had access to things like Xbox Live Arcade.

HappehLemons
11-05-2009, 02:07 AM
Nothing is going to happen if you go online with it.


I really can't believe how paranoid you people are.
I've never heard of people being tracked down by their 360, ever.

Do you really think microsoft is going to help out your local police department by telling them the address of house that just logged on using the MAC address of the stolen 360? Seriously.

What you've done is the equivalent of buying something off cragslist.

dylan0228
11-05-2009, 02:10 AM
If law enforcement wanted to make a big deal, they could request a warrant requiring Microsoft to supply said information if available. I highly doubt they would pursue this though.

HappehLemons
11-05-2009, 02:17 AM
If law enforcement wanted to make a big deal, they could request a warrant requiring Microsoft to supply said information if available. I highly doubt they would pursue this though.

I've heard cases of warehouses being robbed of 360s in the past multiple times, if they don't catch the guys that stole them then they pretty much wont do anything. They're not going to look for the people that buy them.


Also, what you're saying can be done with any technology that connects the internet and even though it's "possible" I don't think the police have ever tracked down someone by their MAC address... you'd be the first in history I think.

dylan0228
11-05-2009, 02:50 AM
All I`m saying is that Microsoft can see your serial # through your gamertag. I had a profile stolen at one time & that is exactly how they located the thief that tried to swipe my account. So it can be done.

IP addresses & MAC addresses are basically your electronic fingerprint They catch criminals through this process daily. Not implying any criminal activities in this instance of course!

Sonicwolf
11-05-2009, 02:58 AM
I kind of wish that some random guy would come up to me with a truckload of brand new CECHA01 60gb PS3's and take a 100 dollar offer. LOL

I would just go to the police with information on this wierd incident.

HappehLemons
11-05-2009, 03:34 AM
All I`m saying is that Microsoft can see your serial # through your gamertag. I had a profile stolen at one time & that is exactly how they located the thief that tried to swipe my account. So it can be done.

IP addresses & MAC addresses are basically your electronic fingerprint They catch criminals through this process daily. Not implying any criminal activities in this instance of course!

I completely believe you and it definitely can be done, but in this situation I don't think that Microsoft will lift a finger that is If they were even stolen

Hook it up and play it is all i'm going to say. If you don't want it sell it to someone that actually will.

InsaneDavid
11-05-2009, 03:58 AM
These days these usually aren't stolen off a dock or anything like that. Rather they're purchased using bogus debit gift cards. It's a big problem for electronics retail right now.

Ye0ldmario
11-05-2009, 05:47 AM
When a van pulls up asking to sell you something like that, it's 100% stolen. Happened to me in a supermarket parking lot, 'expensive stereo system'.

those are the white van speaker guys

As for this situation, maybe they bought out a game store somewhere?

Leo_A
11-05-2009, 06:22 AM
I imagine they broke into a shipping container. Fairly common, people are caught everyday doing things like breaking into shipping containers on intermodal trains and such looking for high value cargo when a train is stopped on a siding and or in a yard. There's thousands of miles of track in this country, much in remote areas, and a extremely limited amount of railroad police to monitor it. Perhaps 1 officer for every 250 miles of rail.

I doubt he acquired a collection of 360's to sell via buying them in small lots online with stolen cards to resell (I suspect buying a large lot of 360's online somewhere like Wal-Mart would raise a red flag). Likely, they came from the same source in my opinion.

Oobgarm
11-05-2009, 06:55 AM
Make it your modded system and never take it online.

Frankie_Says_Relax
11-05-2009, 07:09 AM
Shouldn't this be in Daily Deals and Discounts? :wink 2:

portnoyd
11-05-2009, 07:11 AM
those are the white van speaker guys

Oh no, these guys had clearly just broken into someone's house.

Judging by what everyone has said Sir Murf, you probably should have bought 2.

RPG_Fanatic
11-05-2009, 08:53 AM
If your so worried I'll give you $100 for it just PM me!!!!!!!!

NayusDante
11-05-2009, 09:11 AM
You know, one of my friends fell for one of those van schemes, but they weren't selling stolen stuff. They were selling Chinese-made speakers that were very cheap wholesale, kinda like how Wal-Mart gets companies to manufacture goods at a lower standard to meet their price requirements. Only they were asking $100/speaker or something like that.

Make sure it's an Xbox, not an Xboy or something that Dr. Ashens (http://www.youtube.com/user/ashens?blend=1&ob=4) would review.

Hep038
11-05-2009, 09:24 AM
You should be safe. When my xbox was stolen from my house I gave Microsoft my serial number to my system, gamer tag and mac address. The theif actually got online with in 24 hours of taking it. Microsoft told me there was no way they could track it, which I knew was a lie. The truth was it is too costly for them to spend time tracing down a single xbox that was stolen. I can't be too hard on them the local police did not seem to care much either. When I called them to give the serial numbers for all of my stuff the cop on the phone said after 10 serial numbers " How many serial numbers are you going to give me?" Like I was wasting his time.

Gwinnett county police you suck donkey balls.


As for the speakers guys. I worked for a company that sold concert sound systems. One day while out for delivery the white Van pulled up while I was gassing up. He opened his van to show me the speakers they had and asked if I wanted any. I opened my van to show him 5 speakers the size of large filling cabinets, and he just walked away.

Vectorman0
11-05-2009, 10:38 AM
Okay, so I stop to get gas at an exxon station and two guys in a van pull up asking me if i wanted to buy an xbox 360. So i thought about it and said okay what do you have and how much. They open the back of the van and they have at least 20 xbox 360's elites with pure and lego batman bundled. I asked how much and they said 200. I then said thinking I would be turned down instantly...how about 100 thats all i got. to my suprise the guy says sold with out hesitation. So now I have this brand new elite that I bought for 100 dollars. Now im thinking that this systme is prob stolen from some warehouse judging by the quantity they had. If thats the case would you guys think its safe to hook it up online? Should I take that chance? I will wait to hear from you guys...Thanks!!

Dude, just sell it now. You'll end up selling it by Christmas even if you do open it and play it.

You know I'm 100% right. ;)

-Micky

The Shawn
11-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Microsoft doesn't give a shit, and now the guy's in the van can bye some crack!

Shoulda bought them all.

*me goes down to exxon station and awaits white vans full of 360 elites and brings $20

Howie6925
11-05-2009, 10:51 AM
Even if it was "stolen", who cares. Microsoft would just write it off anyways. I think the police and microsoft have better things to worry about then a couple of Xbox360s. Cops barely look for stolen cars .

RyanMurf
11-05-2009, 10:56 AM
Hooked it up works fine..ill see how it goes.

s1lence
11-05-2009, 03:04 PM
Hooked it up works fine..ill see how it goes.

You will be fine. The dashboard on the 360s do have the console ID and serialnumbers but that will only matter if it has actually been filed as stolen and that someone is actively looking to find who stole it.

Now if it was a modded system that is a different story but the one you got should be just fine. Stolen, no doubt, will you get in trouble for it.....highly highly unlikely.

rpepper9
11-05-2009, 03:27 PM
I would assume that whatever retailer that is missing the possibly stolen Xbox`s has the serial numbers & would probably report that. Microsoft would probably have a system for tracking the serial numbers & possibly link it to you! I know ignorance isn`t an excuse for criminal activity, but how are you to know they were stolen? Did the guys look shady? The only other safe way to do it, & this may end up as a loss of your $100, is to contact the police & express your concerns. If your quick enough they may be able to retain your money if it was stolen. I`m sure they probably have cameras outside the gas station somewhere. What good is the Xbox if you can`t use it?

Ha ha ha aha ha haa ha ha. Wow! cops in your area must have nothing better to do. "Golly Gee Andy, I'll get right on tracking down the stolen XBox" Also are we to assume that MS cares? MS will be happy to sell the "Warehouse" where these were "stolen" from more product.

Wait, wait, wait! I know, lets get Gary Sinise and his CSI team to look into it. They are good at breaking down security cam film and catching the bad guys all within an hour!

Shadow Kisuragi
11-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Nice - you got an early version of the holiday bundle there. It was probably stolen from a shipping container (probably K-Mart) that was being prepped for Black Friday.

Microsoft can track down the serials of the console, but I would not be concerned with that if it's not reported. Enjoy your new console for $100.

skaar
11-05-2009, 04:12 PM
Hint: Posting "OMG I JUST BOUGHT A STOLEN 360!" in an online forum is probably one of the dumbest things you could do... should it come down to you actually getting busted for this in a fit of police boredom or whatever.

If you're lucky, ProgAce won't find ya ;)

udisi
11-05-2009, 04:15 PM
Although they can track consoles, they probably won't do anything. They Probably are stolen, but are probably written off through insurance. Unless the caught the guys with a van load of them, there's not much they can do to prove they're stolen. I guess they could get you for recieving stolen property, but I highly doubt they'd come after 1 console. Not worthe the money or man power to.

badinsults
11-05-2009, 04:26 PM
Do you take candy from strangers? I didn't think so.

Zthun
11-05-2009, 05:22 PM
Do you take candy from strangers? I didn't think so.


Score! Free candy!

Berserker
11-05-2009, 05:22 PM
I have to admit, I'm pretty surprised by some of the responses in this thread. I'm no "boyscout" by any means, but is accepting stolen property really not that big of a deal?

I can't help but think of all the threads I've seen here that people make when their house is burglarized, usually of video game-related stuff, and the outpouring of sympathy and emphatic anger towards the thieves that usually comes as response.

So if the thieves take their stuff then it's terrible, but if they sell that stuff back to you out of a van at a generous price, no biggie? Post it in Daily Deals and Discounts? Best of luck and try not to get caught?

That's pretty fucked-up, man. I know they probably got this stuff from a Walmart warehouse or whatever, but what do you think happens when they run out of warehouses? Do they hang it up and go home? No way. They hit residential houses instead and steal our shit to sell out of vans.

Kid Ice
11-05-2009, 05:32 PM
Yeah, where are all the do-gooders that wanted to burn Frankie at the stake a couple months ago?

NayusDante
11-05-2009, 05:36 PM
Yeah, where are all the do-gooders that wanted to burn Frankie at the stake a couple months ago?

Who did what now?

Enigmus
11-05-2009, 05:43 PM
Score! Free candy!

Kit Kat or Twix?

Berserker
11-05-2009, 06:25 PM
Yeah, where are all the do-gooders that wanted to burn Frankie at the stake a couple months ago?

Well, I'm not suggesting we burn anyone at the stake. I just don't see how we can support thievery over here and then condemn it over there, you know? Especially when it relates to and affects us so directly.

I'm not saying that accepting stolen property is somehow akin to stealing. I just think it should be frowned-upon if we also expect to console burglary victims with a straight face.

skaar
11-05-2009, 07:03 PM
Well, I'm not suggesting we burn anyone at the stake. I just don't see how we can support thievery over here and then condemn it over there, you know? Especially when it relates to and affects us so directly.

I'm not saying that accepting stolen property is somehow akin to stealing. I just think it should be frowned-upon if we also expect to console burglary victims with a straight face.

Accepting stolen property is profiting from theft. Still stealing.

Berserker
11-05-2009, 07:34 PM
Accepting stolen property is profiting from theft. Still stealing.

Accepting stolen property is supporting theft. It's a thin line for sure, but personally I wouldn't feel comfortable branding someone a thief if they didn't know what they purchased was stolen.

Sonicwolf
11-05-2009, 07:42 PM
Accepting stolen property is profiting from theft. Still stealing.

But what if there is no definite answer as to whether the item you purchase was stolen or not. Even if suspicious it may be legit. (I am not pointing to this situation in particular.)

NayusDante
11-07-2009, 10:13 AM
This isn't EXACTLY the same deal, but the $100 360 (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/black_friday_comes_early_walmart_100_xbox_360_deal _confirmed) doesn't seem limited to the backs of vans anymore.

kedawa
11-07-2009, 10:48 AM
I have to admit, I'm pretty surprised by some of the responses in this thread. I'm no "boyscout" by any means, but is accepting stolen property really not that big of a deal?

I can't help but think of all the threads I've seen here that people make when their house is burglarized, usually of video game-related stuff, and the outpouring of sympathy and emphatic anger towards the thieves that usually comes as response.

So if the thieves take their stuff then it's terrible, but if they sell that stuff back to you out of a van at a generous price, no biggie? Post it in Daily Deals and Discounts? Best of luck and try not to get caught?

That's pretty fucked-up, man. I know they probably got this stuff from a Walmart warehouse or whatever, but what do you think happens when they run out of warehouses? Do they hang it up and go home? No way. They hit residential houses instead and steal our shit to sell out of vans.
Is it really that hard to understand? There's a big difference between new merchandise stolen from a warehouse or shipping container, and some individual's treasured possessions. There's also no possible scenario where the thieves 'run out of warehouses' as you put it. Do you actually think a bunch of professional thieves are going to go from stealing unattended freight worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to breaking into private homes for a couple hundred dollars worth of second hand stuff?
People have sympathy for victims of burglary because we can understand how it would make them feel, and how it can be devastating both morally and materially to have someone invade and violate their personal space and deprive them of not only their possessions, but also their peace of mind. But that has no relation to what is being discussed here.
Nobody is going to be too broken up about a shipment of electronics that didn't make it to the kmart warehouse. That's not to say that it isn't a crime or that it doesn't do any harm, but it's nowhere near as bad as domestic burglary.

exit
11-07-2009, 11:43 AM
I would say don't worry too much about it. I work in retail and we get missing shipments all the time, it can range from being stolen from the warehouse, to stole right from receiving in the actual store itself. So if it did fall off the back back of a truck (or wherever), there's very little to worry about on your end, it just depends on how high your morals are I guess. It's really no different from buying something from a pawn shop, a thrift store, a flea market, or hell even Game Stop, you never know where anything from any of those kinds of places came from.

Honestly, I wouldn't have passed that deal up either and wouldn't have lost any sleep over it at all.

Baloo
11-07-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, where are all the do-gooders that wanted to burn Frankie at the stake a couple months ago?

I think they're in Vbender.

But yeah, if you really feel guilty about it, take it to the police and tell them what happened.

Berserker
11-07-2009, 12:13 PM
There's a big difference between new merchandise stolen from a warehouse or shipping container, and some individual's treasured possessions. There's also no possible scenario where the thieves 'run out of warehouses' as you put it. Do you actually think a bunch of professional thieves are going to go from stealing unattended freight worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to breaking into private homes for a couple hundred dollars worth of second hand stuff?

There's a big difference to us maybe, but what difference is there to the thieves? None, except for the split.

And there are all kinds of possible scenarios, just take your pick. Big fish start out as small fish, after all. Start out at homes and work your way up to warehouses. Or maybe a location dries up of its more valuable shipments. Maybe security gets tightened up, or maybe your connection, the guy who leaves the door unlocked gets fired. Maybe half your crew gets pinched and you're no longer able to work the larger shipments for awhile.

There's no such thing as "job security" when you're a thief. Circumstances change, and these guys have to be prepared to roll with it. Big crews, or small crews. 5 guys, or 1 guy. Warehouses, or our houses. It's all the same to them.

In any case, there's no acceptable justification for knowingly supporting theft of physical property directly with your dollars. If you don't know any better then that's one thing, but if you do... well, that's your call, but personally I'd prefer not to finance the next burglary thread.

skaar
11-07-2009, 12:14 PM
I think they're in Vbender.

So's your mom, and we're having fun with her! :D

I think this thread's been over for awhile now.

Ye0ldmario
11-07-2009, 12:42 PM
You know, one of my friends fell for one of those van schemes, but they weren't selling stolen stuff. They were selling Chinese-made speakers that were very cheap wholesale, kinda like how Wal-Mart gets companies to manufacture goods at a lower standard to meet their price requirements. Only they were asking $100/speaker or something like that.

Make sure it's an Xbox, not an Xboy or something that Dr. Ashens (http://www.youtube.com/user/ashens?blend=1&ob=4) would review.

The speakers can damage a system

monkeychemist
11-07-2009, 10:11 PM
so much moral police on this board...

Flack
11-07-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm going to avoid the moral issues and just talk about the odds of "getting caught".

The very first assumption you have to make is that whoever these 360s were stolen from (and don't kid yourself; they're stolen) even KNOWS the serial number. I can't imagine every retailer in the world knows the serial number of every single item they have in stock. The big ones (Wal-Mart) do, the medium ones may or may not, the small ones don't.

Years ago I used to work at Best Buy, so I'm thinking in my head, what would happen if suddenly 50 Xbox 360s came up missing? The first thing is, we would have done a quick internal investigation. We would have tried to figure out where they were stored, who had access to them, if any security cameras watch that area, etc. On a theft of this size, I would suspect local police would be brought in pretty quick.

Now, the local police would investigate the theft itself. Whether they were stolen from a train or a shipping container or a loading dock, police would narrow down who had access and then question them one by one and put a bunch of pressure on them until someone either confessed or ratted their buddy out. That's pretty much how it works.

So let's say they catch the Wet Bandits and they say "what happened to the merchandise" and they say "we drove around to gas stations and sold them to people." The police don't really give a shit about getting that equipment back. Start a poll here on DP asking everyone who's filled out a police report for stolen items how much of it they got back ... I promise you it'll be less than 25%, probably way less. I can tell you as an adult I've filled out four or five of them and given serial numbers and I'm still waiting for a single item to return.

So let's just say that the stars align perfectly. This would mean first of all, that whoever lost the 360s reported it to the police. And, that they had the serial numbers. And, that they called Microsoft. And, that Microsoft has a giant list of serial numbers and can match them to MAC addresses. And, that Microsoft was willing to monitor Xbox Live for all these serial numbers and give investigators the IPs. (By the way, this will never happen. Search Google for the hundreds of people who have asked Microsoft to track their stolen consoles.) But let's say because this is pretend land that Microsoft both has this and is willing to do it. (They're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts, btw -- I'm sure the police would have to get it). So they get it which now gives you 50 IP addresses. Now you've got to contact potentially 50 different ISPs and figure out who had those IPs at those exact time. At this point you are talking about subpoenas and court orders. Then, based on that, the police need warrants. At this point you have hundreds of man hours and thousands of dollars invested in tracking down a bunch of $100 consoles. Good luck. If that were going to happen, why aren't the cops showing up at people's houses every time Microsoft bans a thousand people for playing pirated games on Xbox Live? Because it's not worth the time, effort or money.

The worst possible thing that could happen is IF they have the serial number and IF it gets reported to Microsoft and IF they wanted to, they could ban the MAC address. And why would Microsoft do that? All that does is lose them $50/year for a Live account.

My guess is either those consoles were bought with a stolen credit card/paypal account, or stolen off the dock of some major retailer. Either way, they've probably already been written off and paid for by insurance. I know in the movies detectives are always on the case, knocking on doors and tracking down stolen goods, but reality just isn't like that. If it is, give me the number to that detective so I can get my old stereo, GPS, all my sister's electronics, my wife's car and checkbook and a million other things back.

dylan0228
11-07-2009, 11:36 PM
Valid points, but the 360 elite is $300 & 50 of them would be $15K. I think that would be pretty equal to stealing a vehicle. Alot more difficult to track though. Either way, I wouldn`t be to concerned about it. The real issue here is the fact that theft is such a problem, it doesn`t help the honest gamer when it comes to pricepoints. Pretty much the same idea as pirating. I would`ve bought one as well!

Berserker
11-08-2009, 12:01 AM
so much moral police on this board...

It's not my intent to police anyone. These are just personal opinions. Basically I was just expressing surprise that apparently this is such a controversial idea, especially since I'm only referring to physical goods, and not some abstract gray-area like software piracy.

Saying that we should frown upon the practice was meant as an argument, not a commandment. The argument is that we shouldn't support people who ostensibly could just as easily damage people involved in the hobby, potentially ourselves. I think it's a pretty reasonable argument, but it's still just an argument. No teargas involved, thankfully.

Hep038
11-08-2009, 11:17 AM
Rule of thumb of the DP moral police. If you steal from every day people or collectors you are going to hell. If you steal form large corporations like EA, Sony and Wal-Mart you are a modern day Robbin hood and a hero. IF you ask form Roms, you will be banned.LOL

Ed Oscuro
11-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Hey guys, I probably stole something. I'm not sure though. What do you think?

:?

I wonder how fast this thread would've blown up if it surfaced that the 360s came from the DP Store and not an intermodal container or some poor guy's living room.

skaar
11-08-2009, 12:16 PM
Hey guys, I probably stole something. I'm not sure though. What do you think?

:?

I wonder how fast this thread would've blown up if it surfaced that the 360s came from the DP Store and not an intermodal container or some poor guy's living room.

Doesn't this dude work at the DP store?

Eric Dude
11-08-2009, 12:22 PM
I can't believe this awful thread is still going.

MASTERWEEDO
11-08-2009, 12:25 PM
Do you take candy from strangers? I didn't think so.

Halloween is awesome

RyanMurf
11-08-2009, 02:23 PM
I used to work at the dp store

RyanMurf
11-08-2009, 02:29 PM
Thanks guys for all of the opinions and helpful advise

LaughingMAN.S9
11-08-2009, 02:41 PM
omfg...stop being a fucking pussy & play that shit :frustrated:

Sonicwolf
11-08-2009, 03:35 PM
omfg...stop being a fucking pussy & play that shit :frustrated:

Stop being a troll.

portnoyd
11-08-2009, 07:57 PM
You guys.

Don't make me break out Michael and his popcorn. I know you want me to, so keep it up.

digitalpress
11-08-2009, 08:16 PM
So sorry I don't check in here every day. This thread is completely inappropriate, and it seems Ryan is committed to opening discussion that can legitimately question the morals of how the Digital Press operation runs.

Just great.