I think it's time [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Leo_A

11-21-2009, 09:00 PM

I disagree, especially with the Playstation 2. Considering they're still in production, still selling well, and games continue to be developed and released for it (Including some higher profile releases like Motorstorm Arctic Edge), it's still alive and kicking.

Just because something doesn't belong to the latest generation doesn't make it classic, especially a console that's still very much a viable platform commercially.

kupomogli

11-21-2009, 09:37 PM

Yeah. PS2, XBOX, and Gamecube don't seem "classic" to me. They're the last generation of consoles and the PS2 has yet to die out. I think wait until the next console generation until pushing the XBOX, GC, and PS2 to the Classic Gaming section. I only think Dreamcast deserves to be in the Classic Gaming section as it was so short lived in the US and it was easily the best system for the short time it was out and died quite awhile ago.

Enigmus

11-21-2009, 09:38 PM

Gamecube and Xbox have been out of production since atleast 2007 for GCN and 2006 for XBX. That's my estimate.

Agressivadue

11-21-2009, 09:39 PM

Nope, Xbox and PS2 are from the Romantic period, they will not be moved to Classical.

kingpong

11-21-2009, 09:58 PM

Some of us believe that anything post-crash belongs here in Modern Gaming...

Agressivadue

11-21-2009, 10:11 PM

Some of us believe that anything post-crash belongs here in Modern Gaming...

You mean the Renaissance Period.

Baloo

11-21-2009, 10:25 PM

It is the 2000s, and it is somehow still time for Klax.

Still, I vote all 3.

It is almost 2010, and there is STILL time for Klax.

On a serious note, Gamecube/Playstation 2/Xbox is NOT classic yet, not by a long shot. I wouldn't consider them classic until the Wii/360/PS3 Generation gets phased out, and that won't be for another 4-5 years at least IMO.

monkeychemist

11-21-2009, 10:38 PM

Baloo

11-21-2009, 10:46 PM

GC and Xbox died long ago, PS2 is in it's last year... I think it's time to move on. Maybe we could have a tween section for the die hards?? It just doesn't seem relevant here on modern gaming, there is nothing modern about those 3 systems.

I disagree:

PS2 games are still being made
Gamecube games can be played on Wii, and the Gamecube controller can be used on some Wii games.
Xbox games can be played on Xbox 360.

Lerxstnj

11-21-2009, 11:09 PM

Klax is like the Jell-O of videogames. There's always room for it.

Leo_A

11-21-2009, 11:26 PM

GC and Xbox died long ago, PS2 is in it's last year... I think it's time to move on. Maybe we could have a tween section for the die hards?? It just doesn't seem relevant here on modern gaming, there is nothing modern about those 3 systems.

The closest usage of the word classic in the context we utilize it means "having lasting significance or worth; enduring."

How can you detirmine that when two of the consoles are barely cold and used copies of their games, accessories, and hardware litter used game stores across the country, and the third is still a ongoing concern at present for many (Or has just recently been left behind by others) and appears as if it has some life left in it?

Like it or not, but that generation is still a ongoing concern for many gamers across the country, still is being widely sold used and new, and at least one of the platforms still has significant development occurring for it and millions of consoles sold just in 2009.

I think we utilize the term classic to signify more than just that production of consoles and games for it has ceased. It means the system has ceased to be a ongoing concern for the vast majority of former users for it, and is something people will start to look back on with fondness.

It isn't a term that describes a console that is still on store shelfs being sold new at every retailer that sells videogames.

Lady Jaye

11-21-2009, 11:43 PM

No.

It's Miller Time! Or it's time to do the Mario!

kupomogli

11-22-2009, 12:19 AM

Here's another reason why the PS2 shouldn't be sent to Classic Gaming.

Technically the system is newer than the 360, PS3, and Wii. It was just officially launched in Brazil a week ago.

Kitsune Sniper

11-22-2009, 01:04 AM

Brazil also officially launches a Sega Master System variant every six months. :P

InsaneDavid

11-22-2009, 01:10 AM

I think it's time for Klax.

Wooohooooo! *goes to plug the machine in*

Icarus Moonsight

11-22-2009, 01:54 AM

I think it's both time and space.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1981/1101810427_400.jpg

Oh wait, no it's not! You so silly. :p

kupomogli

11-22-2009, 02:02 AM

Brazil also officially launches a Sega Master System variant every six months. :P

Alright, but do they launch Sega Master variants officially?

Push Upstairs

11-22-2009, 02:56 AM

I think it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum.

otoko

11-22-2009, 03:13 AM

I think it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum.

I think if you go to the grocery store they will have some there.

kaedesdisciple

11-22-2009, 07:59 AM

I think it's time to make the donuts:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/valle1228.jpg

monkeychemist

11-22-2009, 08:04 AM

I disagree:

Gamecube games can be played on Wii, and the Gamecube controller can be used on some Wii games.
Xbox games can be played on Xbox 360.

That's a terrible arguement! So what, you can play PS1 games on the PS3, should that also be in modern? You can play NES on the Wii... and I'm sorry but you can *hardly* play Xbox games on the 360...I don't know if that even counts.

The closest usage of the word classic in the context we utilize it means "having lasting significance or worth; enduring."

Ok, fine, I'll bite, I'm not sure about the other two, but it's pretty clear to me that the PS2 has achieved that status...

Rob2600

11-22-2009, 10:37 AM

GC and Xbox died long ago

You think two years ago = long ago?

Queen Of The Felines

11-22-2009, 11:26 AM

It's time! It's time! It's Vader time!

Enigmus

11-22-2009, 11:28 AM

It'll be 2012, and the world will end because it will be HAMMERTIME and not Klax time. It's quite obvious, really. And... it time to Figure it Out! :p

vivaeljason

11-22-2009, 12:09 PM

I think it's PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!

As of right now, however, it is not with a baseball bat.

It's time! It's time! It's Vader time!

I see your old-school wrestling reference and give you a MASH UP.

http://peanutbuttervadertime.ytmnd.com/

monkeychemist

11-22-2009, 01:08 PM

You think two years ago = long ago?

in terms of technology, yes, that is ancient...

Icarus Moonsight

11-22-2009, 01:57 PM

You're taking "It doesn't have to be old to be classic!" too far.

Hey, these orphan toddlers, they're classics!

2007 Mustang is now a classic people. Double the sticker.

And on...

Enigmus

11-22-2009, 02:44 PM

I think it's PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!

As of right now, however, it is not with a baseball bat.

I see your old-school wrestling reference and give you a MASH UP.

http://peanutbuttervadertime.ytmnd.com/

In other news, it might possibly be Peanut Butter Hammertime, with the possibility of a switch from a baseball bat to a golf club.

2007 Mustang is classic? WHAT?

monkeychemist

11-22-2009, 03:54 PM

Might as well lock this train wreck of a thread. It doesn't seem possible to have a discussion, a lot of retarded +1 jokes...

Sonicwolf

11-22-2009, 04:17 PM

I think this does need some discussion. There should be a time-based threshold in which a system is moved into the classic forum. Like 10 years old.

vivaeljason

11-22-2009, 04:34 PM

If we're going to start doing serious discussion, then I think that a system should only be moved to "Classic" when the company that makes the system has stopped supporting it for at least two years (arbitrary, I realize). Maybe that means GameCube and Xbox should be moved to "Classic," but seeing as how there are still games scheduled for release for the PS2 next year, it should still be discussed here.

Leo_A

11-22-2009, 04:35 PM

You think two years ago = long ago?in terms of technology, yes, that is ancient...

In terms of technology, the current generation of consoles is also ancient, especially the Nintendo Wii. Are you going to be advocating we place the current generation of consoles into the classic gaming forum as well?

I think this does need some discussion. There should be a time-based threshold in which a system is moved into the classic forum. Like 10 years old.

Nonsense

You'd have consoles like the Sega Dreamcast that have been dead domestically for 8 years with the original manufacturer having left the hardware marketplace being declared classic, while other consoles like the Playstation 2 that are still commercially viable 10 years after release would be declared classic in the same timeframe.

If we had any criteria to declare it besides when the forum as a whole largely supports it after a system is dead commercially and discussion for it has largely been curtailed, I'd support moving a console to classic gaming when it's more than two generations old. By then, support for it besides limited repairs from the manufacturer is largely gone and most people will have moved on.

I don't think the GameCube, Playstation 2, and Xbox should be moved to classic gaming when they're still major platforms in the used market, with one of the three still being a important platform commercially in 2009 beyond the second hand marketplace.

Maybe when the Playstation 2 is discontinued and the Wii 2/PS4/Xbox 720 are on the marketplace, it would seem right to move discussion to them to classic gaming. Right now, they're just the previous generation and still represent a large and significant portion of the marketplace.

Sonicwolf

11-22-2009, 04:37 PM

Leo_A

11-22-2009, 04:50 PM

That would mean the PlayStation went classic in 2008. LOL

What's so crazy about that? Was only about 11 years old when production ended in 2006, not much older than where the Playstation 2 stands right now (Will be turning 10 in March of next year). The platform was still seeing new game releases in 2005 (And maybe 2006 outside of North America?), was still seeing games recieving new print runs in 2008, and hardware and games were still widely available on the used marketplace at retailers like GameStop until recently (And still are at Canadian locations).

Hasn't been very long since it ceased being a commercially viable console.

I'd say 2008 sounds just about right where I felt like it had ceased to be a commercially viable platform, moving it into the classic gaming category. It wasn't really the previous generation any longer since many people were beginning to move into this current one in large numbers, retailers were beginning to phase it out of their used merchandise inventories since mainstream secondary sales of it were drying up, the last remnants of new merchandise were drying up, etc.

Ed Oscuro

11-22-2009, 05:12 PM

http://www.ohiok.com/img/i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/babyj3nb/yourcomment/funny/peanut-butter-jelly-time.gif

It's funny; Dreamcast has been in Classic as long as I can remember (I don't think it was there in 2002, but I don't remember that far back). I can't come up with any sort of dividing line that makes more sense than that. Even the DC is really pretty new compared to other stuff.

Enigmus

11-22-2009, 05:35 PM

monkeychemist

11-22-2009, 05:40 PM

Bojay1997

11-22-2009, 06:03 PM

how about there is a separate forum for the N64, GC, PS1, PS2, XBox, GBA... It's not yet classic but not the latest, we could call it last-gen? This would keep the new consoles only to modern gaming...

What's the point? I personally like the broader categories on this site. I never read or post much on Atari Age simply because the categories are so narrow, I don't have the time or interest to click on and review every single category. Plus, it's not like there is so much traffic in the modern gaming area that it's hard to deal with the fact that there are "last generation" systems and games discussed there. Heck, my local game stores still sell tons of new games for the Xbox, PS2 and GC and even Target and Best Buy still stock new Xbox and PS2 titles. This is not a fight we need to have right now. Check back in a year or two and let's see where we are then.

Clownzilla

11-22-2009, 06:08 PM

I don't consider a system a "classic" until it's two system generations out. There should be a separate classification for systems one generation out (ie. PS2, Xbox, GC).

Leo_A

11-22-2009, 07:51 PM

how about there is a separate forum for the N64, GC, PS1, PS2, XBox, GBA... It's not yet classic but not the latest, we could call it last-gen? This would keep the new consoles only to modern gaming...

Why? What's the problem you're trying to solve?

As already stated, the inclusion of last generation discussion in this forum is hardly cluttering anything up. There's absolutely no reason to segregate it off to a forum that will see very little traffic and discourage discussion due to low traffic.

I see 1 thread in total about the PS2/Xbox/GCN generation on the first page of this forum, with a second thread dealing basically with GCN compatibility on the Wii. That's it and it's a pretty typical representation of how much discussion is going on about those three consoles. Hardly needs a dedicated forum.

Richter Belmount

11-22-2009, 08:39 PM

Might as well lock this train wreck of a thread. It doesn't seem possible to have a discussion, a lot of retarded +1 jokes...

Have you ever had a sword fight with no swords.... with another man?

Rob2600

11-22-2009, 08:47 PM

You think two years ago = long ago?

in terms of technology, yes, that is ancient...

Really? My iPod from two years ago is ancient? My LCD monitor from two years ago is ancient? My graphics tablet from two years ago is ancient?

Kitsune Sniper

11-22-2009, 09:28 PM

Shit man, STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!1111!1

Gapporin

11-22-2009, 09:57 PM

Shit man, STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!1111!1

Once I used to join in
every boy and girl was my friend.
Now there's revolution, but they don't know
what they're fighting.
Let us close our eyes;
outside their lives go on much faster.

Baloo

11-22-2009, 09:58 PM

in terms of technology, yes, that is ancient...

You're a PC gamer, aren't you?

I think it's time to make the donuts:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/valle1228.jpg

AWESOME!

Sonicwolf

11-22-2009, 10:21 PM

in terms of technology, yes, that is ancient...

When it comes to game systems, 2 years isnt a major blow in the modern department. Its not like computers where the manufacturer releases a completely updated system every few months... Well... Maybe Nintendo does with the DS. LOL

noname11

11-22-2009, 10:33 PM

Really? My iPod from two years ago is ancient?

Uh, I bought an ipod touch in January, and there's a new one out NOW. According to Apple, Retailers, and Tweens, yeah, your two year old ipod is ancient. It belongs in the classic section.

monkeychemist

11-22-2009, 11:35 PM

You're a PC gamer, aren't you?

Never! Only rich people are PC gamers...I'm poor

Icarus Moonsight

11-23-2009, 12:05 AM

If you're really impoverished, then you have more pressing issues than the modern/classic divide and video games in general. :drinking:

Gameguy

11-23-2009, 12:34 AM

I still see new Gamecube systems and games sold in some major retail stores, and the same with PS2 stuff. I still see new Xbox games for sale in some places too, clearance sections but they're still plentiful. They're too recent for classic status, they're just a bit old now.

I think it's time to make the donuts:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/valle1228.jpg
"Time to make the doughnuts.. and then I'm retiring to Florida, with my hot little stewardess girlfriend! And, believe me, from now on, it ain't gonna be doughnuts I'll be eating!!"

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/97/97edonuts.phtml

Have you ever had a sword fight with no swords.... with another man?
Wasn't that in a Monkey Island game or something?

Icarus Moonsight

11-23-2009, 12:56 AM

Wasn't that in a Monkey Island game or something?

Cock fighting.

monkeychemist

11-23-2009, 08:24 AM

If you're really impoverished, then you have more pressing issues than the modern/classic divide and video games in general. :drinking:

hey, I take up this issue because it is a free source of entertainment, the discussion of important topics.

I guess you guys are right, it wouldn't accomplish anything at this point...all right, we can revisit in 2 years?? :p

PapaStu

11-23-2009, 02:51 PM

hey, I take up this issue because it is a free source of entertainment, the discussion of important topics.

I guess you guys are right, it wouldn't accomplish anything at this point...all right, we can revisit in 2 years?? :p

Thanks for your blessing!

Reecer6

11-23-2009, 03:03 PM

It is the 90s, and there is time for Klax.

It's BURGER TIME!

Sorry, I just like Deceased Crab.

monkeychemist

11-23-2009, 06:13 PM

Thanks for your blessing!

thanks for your +1, awesome!

Richter Belmount

11-23-2009, 07:53 PM

thanks for your +1, awesome!

NO! ''THANK YOU''! AND YOUR FACE!

XYXZYZ

11-24-2009, 09:44 AM

I think it's time to make the donuts:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/valle1228.jpg

Time won't give me time....

http://groovyvic.mu.nu/archives/images/boy-g.jpg

Won't give me time...

Garry Shandling

11-24-2009, 11:12 AM

Gary Shandling

Old Man Graves' Ghost

11-24-2009, 11:21 AM

hunh... whaaa... hrmm?

monkeychemist

11-24-2009, 11:49 AM

+1 !

monkeychemist

11-24-2009, 11:50 AM

+5 !

Gapporin

11-24-2009, 12:07 PM

Time is the essence
Time is the season
Time ain't no reason
Got no time to slow

Time everlasting
Time to play besides
Time ain't on my side
Time I'll never know

And this isn't a +1, thank you very much. It adds valuable discussion to the topic.

jcalder8

11-24-2009, 01:20 PM

Well I'll try and get this back on topic:

I don't like klax

vivaeljason

11-24-2009, 05:46 PM

Well I'll try and get this back on topic:

I don't like klax

In Soviet Russia, Klax doesn't like...

...wait a second, Klax likes everyone, regardless of where it is.

:lovin:

Left = Klax
Right = everyone else

Compute

06-29-2010, 06:04 PM

This thread is great. Reminds me of when I joined the online classic gaming community. People made fun of me for "collecting" NES titles, because they didn't yet qualify as "classic." This was in like 2000. I think I even scoffed at the idea later on that Genesis was "classic." It was too new to be classic!

NayusDante

07-01-2010, 05:49 PM

You're all WRONG. Everyone knows that it's Howdy Doody time.

There's a better way to do this than saying "now we post about PS2/GCN/XBOX in Classic." There's no tag system, so we can't move all of the relevant posts out of the modern forum. Let's leave it the way it is, and rename the Modern forum when this current era seems to be over. At that point we just make a new Modern forum. People will argue what is and is not classic forever, so the solution is to rethink the classifications we use.

Besides, GBA has been dead for a while and it was post-PS2. It's not classic, and it's not modern. Where does that put it, New Romantic?

hellfire

07-01-2010, 06:10 PM

I think it's time to put PS2 and Xbox into the classic gaming section...

They still make ps2 games

Leo_A

07-02-2010, 01:53 AM

There's a better way to do this than saying "now we post about PS2/GCN/XBOX in Classic." There's no tag system, so we can't move all of the relevant posts out of the modern forum. Let's leave it the way it is, and rename the Modern forum when this current era seems to be over. At that point we just make a new Modern forum. People will argue what is and is not classic forever, so the solution is to rethink the classifications we use.

Besides, GBA has been dead for a while and it was post-PS2. It's not classic, and it's not modern. Where does that put it, New Romantic?

That won't accomplish a thing. A subject with a small amount of discussion doesn't need it's own forum like you suggest. And all the current generation discussion in this forum would also be moved at the same time.

It doesn't solve a thing when the time comes.