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AB Positive
12-04-2009, 02:10 PM
I mean, for being one of the most well known in the classic computer genre... I just CAN'T seem to get my head around it. Like, at all. Like, I can't get WinVICE to boot a damn thing bad.


I've had 'em, played with the hardware, couldn't get much working there. Yes, I know how to do "Load "*",8,1". Hell, had a FastLoad cart with one once, which yes reduced loading, but still only got maybe 3 or 4 games working. Apart from Maniac Mansion - none were too exciting.


I thought maybe I'm missing something as I struggle with hardware. So I get WinVICE and some TOSEC images. No dice, I can't get any image to run past the cracktro. Grab some no-intro images - same thing. I'm not picking obscure games either:

Turrican
Alternate Reality: The City
Turrican II
Last Ninja series
Armalyte
Mayhem in Monsterland...



I dunno. I've had no problem with real amigas or emulated ones. Same with the A8. I'm not a total noob to this stuff but the C64 stymies me at every turn. I have no vendetta against it, it looks like a great system. A great system that seems to refuse to run anything for me.



So... am I missing something or is this the "C64 experience"?

Kitsune Sniper
12-04-2009, 02:58 PM
I tried C64 emulation and couldn't understand a thing.

But I'll give the system props for the amazing amount of musical genius that it was host to.

tom
12-04-2009, 03:00 PM
I only work with original hardware, never any probs, so I can't help, sorry

Gapporin
12-04-2009, 03:37 PM
If you're having trouble with emulation, one thing that I might suggest is trying to swap the gameports used. Some C64 games used port 1, some used port 2. There was never a definite standard. So, if you can't get past a cracktro or it seems like the game is being unresponsive, check that first.

Otherwise, I'd suggest using MESS, but that's probably another step up or two on the learning curve.

Actually, now that I think about, I think Flack wrote a C64 emulation guide somewhere...ah, here we are. (http://www.robohara.com/?p=364) It's pretty expansive, so I'd recommend reading through it to get a good idea of how C64 emulation works.

The C64 is definitely a great computer, though, and worth getting into. I'd put it in my Top 3 US/European computers.

Soviet Conscript
12-04-2009, 03:45 PM
I only work with original hardware, never any probs, so I can't help, sorry

same here

i used to have ALOT of problems getting disks to read with the old 1541 drives but after i hooked up a 1541-II i rarely have any problems getting a game to load up.

Trebuken
12-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Try a differnt emulator.

http://www.zophar.net/c64.html

Definitely not the C64 experience. Perhaps the C64 emulation experience...

Retro Computing takes a great of determination if you are coming into it for the first time...

The Commodore 64 bridged the gap between the Atari 2600 and the NES. It was essentially THE gaming system of the time and it's gaming library is among the best there is...

AB Positive
12-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Try a differnt emulator.

http://www.zophar.net/c64.html

Definitely not the C64 experience. Perhaps the C64 emulation experience...

Retro Computing takes a great of determination if you are coming into it for the first time...

The Commodore 64 bridged the gap between the Atari 2600 and the NES. It was essentially THE gaming system of the time and it's gaming library is among the best there is...

I guess - but it just seems odd to me how different the learning curve is to get it up and running. It completely blindsided me considering how I've not had any issues getting A8 or Amiga stuff up and running (via emulation or, as I have, the real hardware)

I'm going to read Flack's guide, as before I invest yet again in C64 stuff I want to be certain I can a) get it running and b) want something to run :D



EDIT: Welp, never mind. Apparently, I just suck at getting working images. I guess I'll see if I find anything neat now. Stay tuned!

tom
12-04-2009, 05:03 PM
a) get a C128
b) Zak McKraken, Omega, Times of Lore, Space Rogue, Breakers, Might and Magic II, Battletech, The Magic Candle, Rings of Zilfin, Portal, any Gold Box, Alter Ego, Tass Times..., Star Fleet I, Hacker II, The Bard's Tale III, Sentinel Worlds I, Heart of Africa, Starflight, The Halley Project, The Mars Saga, Castles of Dr Creep, Knights of Legend, Storm across Europe, Project Firestart, Wizards Crown....those clssics should keep you amused for some time

Jorpho
12-04-2009, 05:07 PM
I can't question that there were a lot of great C64 games - but really, the chunky low-res graphics can be kind of off-putting, especially if you're looking at a game that has much nicer looking ports on other systems (and there's no shortage of those). Just what the heck is the appeal of Forbidden Forest, exactly!?

But the emulation experience can be a bit annoying as well, since I've found there are many ways that things can go wrong but still seem just right enough to make one not question whether the emulator is at fault.

Soviet Conscript
12-04-2009, 05:11 PM
a) get a C128
b) Zak McKraken, Omega, Times of Lore, Space Rogue, Breakers, Might and Magic II, Battletech, The Magic Candle, Rings of Zilfin, Portal, any Gold Box, Alter Ego, Tass Times..., Star Fleet I, Hacke II, The Bard's Tale III, Sentinel Worlds I, Heart of Africa, Starflight, The Mars Saga, Castle fo Dr Creep, Knights of Legend, Storm across Europe, Project Firestart, Wizards Crown....those clssics should keep you amused for some time

i have a c128 and i keep considering replaceing my c64c with it but can't find a compelling reason to since i'm only useing it for c64 games. the c128 is also a little big for the spot its going in though so the athetics are a bit of a issue

tom
12-04-2009, 05:37 PM
Personally I think the 128 looks nicer, and...autoboot...some games like Gunship, Ultima V and so forth.

Mayhem
12-04-2009, 05:49 PM
You might need to turn on True Drive Emulation within the emulator (especially Vice) to get the disk images working. Plus you can get assured working images from the http://www.gamebase64.com website.

AB Positive
12-04-2009, 06:32 PM
I do still have a c128 in my closet but no power supply... 1541 drive and cable so if I find a c128 power brick I"m set... but I'm still deciding on going through the bother.

I have the v5 versions of Turrican I and II, two games I still can't get running. I've tried True Drive and I've tried without... warped ahead to see if it was a long load but nothing started pass the trainers... space, enter, CAPS (RUN/STOP on a C=), joystick in port a and b... I'm guessing it's the image at this point. Everything else seems to be going, and I got some from the list running this time 'round.

So far... I clearly need to read the instructions for some of these, heh. Last Ninja seems intriguing but I know I'm missing a key to pick up stuff. I'm sure I'll have a fuller experience - but the attacking and jumping made intuitive sense (reminded me a bit like IK+) and the music was quite good.

Still checking stuff out but I may have to scrounge up for a c128 power plug...

Pete Rittwage
12-04-2009, 09:20 PM
I can't question that there were a lot of great C64 games - but really, the chunky low-res graphics can be kind of off-putting, especially if you're looking at a game that has much nicer looking ports on other systems (and there's no shortage of those). Just what the heck is the appeal of Forbidden Forest, exactly!?

The music, the atmosphere, the pseudo 3-D and mostly- the nostalgia. The work that went into doing parallax scrolling with custom character graphics is impressive.

Arkhan
12-04-2009, 11:54 PM
a) get a C128
b) Zak McKraken, Omega, Times of Lore, Space Rogue, Breakers, Might and Magic II, Battletech, The Magic Candle, Rings of Zilfin, Portal, any Gold Box, Alter Ego, Tass Times..., Star Fleet I, Hacker II, The Bard's Tale III, Sentinel Worlds I, Heart of Africa, Starflight, The Halley Project, The Mars Saga, Castles of Dr Creep, Knights of Legend, Storm across Europe, Project Firestart, Wizards Crown....those clssics should keep you amused for some time

Those will keep AB amused assuming RPGs are what hes looking for... lol

WinVICE is the only C64 emulator you should bother using. If you have an X-1541 cable you can hook it up to your PC and boot real disks in the emulator, copy disks, etc.... :)

I would stay away from TOSEC. use gamebase64 like mayhem mentioned. Most games in vice you can just click "Autostart disk or tape image" and go go go with it. Sometimes you have to just attach it and give the

LOAD "*" ,8 or LOAD "*" ,8,1

Games you should try if slowpaced RPGs arent what youre huntin for:

Space Taxi, Katakis, Parallax, Creatures 1 and 2, mayhem in monsterland, Paradroid, Black Tiger, Usagi Yojimbo, First Samurai, Stormlord, Neverending Story II, Dantes Inferno, Vixen (its not THAT bad), Shadow of the Beast (!), Phantis

and two other rpgs that werent mentioned:

Wasteland and Neuromancer


there are others too. I recommend Temple of Apshai trilogy, and Gateway to Apshai.

Its not allllll bad, you just have to find the gems buried under tons of piles of crap. Thats what happens when 3 million bajillion of the fuckers sell, everyone and their dippy brother make games for the thing :)

tom
12-05-2009, 02:56 AM
And don't forget Nemesis the Warlock, it's a graphical experience you never forget ;-)

Arkhan
12-05-2009, 03:35 AM
im just glad noone suggest MULE.

:2gunfire::2gunfire::2gunfire::2gunfire::2gunfire:

tom
12-05-2009, 12:02 PM
M.U.L.E. works best on Atari 800, 4 players and all that

phreakindee
12-05-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm very surprised no one has mentioned the problem with using many Tosec images and such cracked collections like that. In my experience, the majority of them will not load past the cracktro, due to most of the cracked games out there being written for European systems and my using an American C64. When I get the same game from another source that is made to run on an NTSC system all is flawless. Many, if not all, of the games you mentioned didn't work for me either until I got an NTSC version. With emulation, just make sure you are set up to run the right system. CCS64 and Winvice worked the best for me

Ze_ro
12-05-2009, 02:04 PM
You still haven't really told us exactly what's happening beyond "it doesn't work". What is going on? Are all these games locking up at a black screen, or not loading at all, or what?

One thing you may need to keep in mind is that in a lot of cases, you're better off getting cracked copies of games rather than the original. Some of the more aggresive forms of copy protection still don't work well in emulators. Remember (http://www.remember64.de/) and Nostalgia (http://nostalgia.c64.org/) are two of my favourite cracking groups out there, and both of their web pages have download links on them so you can get disks you KNOW work. Though keep in mind that both groups are European, so you will probably have to set your emulator to PAL if you haven't already (I know at least a few crack intros cause my real life NTSC C128 to lock up).

--Zero

Flack
12-05-2009, 02:12 PM
As a long time C64 owner and a guy who still has a real Commie hooked up in his computer room, I have to admit that I do most of my C64 game playing via emulation. I'm not saying it's as authentic but it sure is a lot more convenient.

Track down one of the GameBase releases. They are up to version 6.0 now but for most people, the changes between even something like version 3 and version 6 are relatively minute (what's a hundred games in a collection of 20,000?). As far as I know they all (or at least the vast majority) work in WinVice. I second Mayhem's recommendation of putting WinVice in true 1541 emulation mode and then hitting alt-w to warp past the load times ... the true emulation mode loads a lot more "non-cracked" titles.

Two collections I recommend are the Blast Collection and the Arcade Collection. I don't remember when or where I found them, but each one contains over a thousand games and both weed out a lot of the crappy BASIC games that you end up getting. Just like iTunes, with such a large library, there's a lot of low quality crap out there and some of the collections like Blast have weeded a lot of it out for you.

AB Positive
12-05-2009, 02:21 PM
You still haven't really told us exactly what's happening beyond "it doesn't work". What is going on? Are all these games locking up at a black screen, or not loading at all, or what?

One thing you may need to keep in mind is that in a lot of cases, you're better off getting cracked copies of games rather than the original. Some of the more aggresive forms of copy protection still don't work well in emulators. Remember (http://www.remember64.de/) and Nostalgia (http://nostalgia.c64.org/) are two of my favourite cracking groups out there, and both of their web pages have download links on them so you can get disks you KNOW work. Though keep in mind that both groups are European, so you will probably have to set your emulator to PAL if you haven't already (I know at least a few crack intros cause my real life NTSC C128 to lock up).

--Zero

Waha - you may have found my turrican issue - I have Remember's versions from gamebase, but I do believe I'm running as a ntsc machine. I'll give the switch a try.

C64 Giana Sisters to me plays way better than the Amiga version - I can see why there's fans now, as bad as that sounds :D

The funniest one I've tried is "Galaga" ... there's two actually, B&W and color, and both have every sprite as just three or four pixels a piece. But... the ships and enemies move rather smoothly. Looks like a ZX81 game but was kinda fun to play. Certainly an interesting find.

As Arkhan said - I started with TOSEC when I was first getting frustrated with the emulator, I've found better ones to try. I agree with the 'finding gems in the crap' but in a way so does the NES and the Genesis so I'm seeing why it has fans. I may have to find that power brick and get one of those XE connectors again off eBay. (I had done a 64HDD setup but never really clicked with the machine)

edit - nope it's Crazy Town or something for Turrican one... goes to a screen saying how to skip levels Turrican+9 trainer and just holds - with no key or button press seeming to move it. Turrican II worked moving to PAL so I got to try that... think the Amiga ruined that one for me, heh.

Mayhem
12-05-2009, 03:22 PM
For Turrican, I grabbed the version @ GB64 and tried that. It's asking you Y/N for the questions about whether you want infinite lives etc, so hit Y or N to answer the questions. After running through them, the title screen should boot up.

If you have True Drive Emulation turned on in Vice and running in PAL (although I also tested up to the title screen in NTSC and it works fine), not sure what to suggest... what version of Vice are you using?

AB Positive
12-05-2009, 04:44 PM
For Turrican, I grabbed the version @ GB64 and tried that. It's asking you Y/N for the questions about whether you want infinite lives etc, so hit Y or N to answer the questions. After running through them, the title screen should boot up.

If you have True Drive Emulation turned on in Vice and running in PAL (although I also tested up to the title screen in NTSC and it works fine), not sure what to suggest... what version of Vice are you using?

Yep - that was it. Son of a... I had no idea it was prompting me, I guess I expected it to be at the bottom not middle.

I've tried a fair number of the suggestions made in this thread... and perhaps I should ask a different question - are there any games that are either exclusive or that the 'best port' is on the C64?

I have an a500 so while Rick Dangerous is good per se - the miggy version seems more solid. Turrican 1 and 2 similarly so. Archon and Alternate Reality: The City have great A8 versions... and admittedly I can't play Starflight on anything but a Genesis (I know, heresy...)

Space Taxi I tried and was quite fun and I've not heard of a version of that on any of my other systems so there's on in it's column.

Flack
12-05-2009, 07:00 PM
I suspect that most games that were ported to 16-bit machines like the Amiga and Genesis are going to look better on those platforms than on the C64. Some of it probably comes down to preference as well. I spent so many years behind a Commodore keyboard that games like Skate or Die or California Games, while available on multiple 8-Bit machines, "look" and "feel" right to me on the 64. It's something about that machine's graphic aspect ratio and color palette. The Apple II and NES versions of those games never did it for me.

A lot of it too -- and this goes for all of retrogaming, I suppose -- is that it was the best in its time frame. For example, there were games like ... oh, Kung Fu Master or Yie Ar Kung Fu that I think the C64 home ports were some of the best. Today you can simply fire them up in MAME and play the originals and no, I don't think the C64 versions are better than the arcade versions. Back in the mid-80s, you could either play a pretty good home port or save up some quarters and then beg your mom to take you to the arcade to play them.

I will have to run down my game directory later and pull out some C64 exclusives for you. I can tell you that when I'm bored, I often pull out Park Patrol, Toy Bizarre, Jumpman, Paradroid, and Bruce Lee (which, after 20 something years, I finally beat!)

Arkhan
12-06-2009, 04:26 AM
legacy of the ancients and legend of blacksilver are great exclusives

temple of apshai trilogy is best on the C64....

mayhem in monsterland and creatures 1&2 are greatstuff.

Soviet Conscript
12-06-2009, 07:08 AM
temple of apshai trilogy is best on the C64....



any reasons why? i'm curious cause i read the Amiga version was better

Arkhan
12-06-2009, 07:33 AM
fuck the Amiga. :texaschain:

All they did was slap an assed up GUI over the game and the graphics are all primitive looking, and then the audio is bleh. The SID version of all of the audio beats out the Amiga which is really stupid to say the least. They could have sampled in some really great stringed instruments and made it sound fucking epic, but they opted for bleepbloopery

It could have sounded like this:
For the string fans
www.aetherbyte.com/downloadables/toa.mp3

for the plain ol' organ fans:
www.aetherbyte.com/downloadables/toao.mp3

for the ambient organ fans who run around with cravats and coat tailed jackets with laces (me!):
www.aetherbyte.com/downloadables/toab.mp3

any of these would have been doable on the Amiga as they're all 3 channel songs (Paula can do 4!), and using synths that existed BEFORE the Amiga even came out. crickey.

They could have done SO MUCH with the music but they didn't. Its stupid

Playability wise the C64 wins out as it doesn't over-complicate a simple game with clunky interfaces, also the graphics LOOK BETTER ON THE C64. However that happened is a mystery.

and the music sounds great. The little ambient sfx you get while playing sound good too.

I mean really, with the Amiga, who is inept enough to have to mouse over a drop down and click "THRUST T"

press the goddamn T key! *facepalm*

The Amiga one looks like a game that had a stroke, and fell out of the ACK, whereas the C64 one looks like a nicely polished RPG.

and the effing Atari version. Cmon.

They mouse-whored the game up.

Id put TOA Trilogy for the C64 in my top 5 for the computer.

AB Positive
12-07-2009, 09:03 AM
So far, early favorites from suggestions include Park Patrol, Toy Bizzare and Space Taxi. And boy, does Toy bizzare in a quick 4 second intro melody show why the SID is so loved. The level-start melody is damn near epic.

I'll tuck in on some of the RPG suggestions but since they take longer to evaluate... etc... however I can see why folks like it. If I can find a cheap c128 brick I may have to dig it out and set it up. It's missing a key, but it's an inconsequential key and the parts underneath still work anyway. :)

Arkhan
12-07-2009, 10:36 AM
So far, early favorites from suggestions include Park Patrol, Toy Bizzare and Space Taxi. And boy, does Toy bizzare in a quick 4 second intro melody show why the SID is so loved. The level-start melody is damn near epic.

I'll tuck in on some of the RPG suggestions but since they take longer to evaluate... etc... however I can see why folks like it. If I can find a cheap c128 brick I may have to dig it out and set it up. It's missing a key, but it's an inconsequential key and the parts underneath still work anyway. :)

I know someone who can get you a C128 w/ power brick for piss-cheap... he lives in the Nevada regions though so it might be a bit to ship!

hell I think you could get a 1571 or something too?.... i can ask if you are interested.

ghostangelofcky
12-07-2009, 12:14 PM
I think one of the main driving points for this computer and many others from this genre and age is the nostalgia factor. Example:

I own a Apple IIe, why? Because when I was a kid this was my first video game system. As a matter of fact it's the exact same one that i used to curse at when I died playing Lode Runner. A lot of this hobby for me is playing the games that I loved and finally getting to play the games and systems that I wished I could play when I was younger. No more drooling over that pic of the Turbografx w/CD attachment! Your sexy misshaped ass is mine now:)

But that's just me, also probably why I don't own any systems newer than the Dreamcast.

AB Positive
12-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Nostalgia tends to be pretty limited for me when it comes to gaming. For me I pretty much lived and died (gaming wise) by the sega genesis. NES had some great games but other than Mario 3 I really don't remember getting too into it.

Retro computers are a different thing altogether - it was like a brand new frontier with games I had never heard of. So for these I have zero nostalgia and I'm coming in completely eyes wide open.


Atari 8-bit line - awesome. First party support helps but my favorite games are still Archon, Alternate Reality and Yoomp! - they keep me coming back, and trying out others too. I guess they give me a "reason" to have the setup.


Amiga - Turrican I and II, Rodland, Sensi and the Dizzy Collection keep me coming back here. That and the amazing amount of hackery and craziness one can do with the Amiga line given time and money.


Spectrum - OK I don't own one but if you haven't played Renegade on it you're missing out. I would love to own one at some point. Great arcade ports, unique sound (which I like :P ) and just an interesting setup all around.



C64 was baffling to me on the idea of "But it's so popular, why don't I see the draw?". I've liked a few games so far but haven't found that "Hook" game like AR, Turrican or Renegade. Sometimes for me it just takes one game that's a "must play" to have me want the system.

Arkhan
12-07-2009, 04:07 PM
in order to better force-feed you C64 games, whats your favorite style o' game.

has you tried neuromancer? It rules.

AB Positive
12-08-2009, 06:33 AM
Good point - a point of reference would help, huh?

Console RPGs like FF or Phantasy Star, early Castlevanias, Genesis Starflight (as mentioned earlier, I can't get into the fighting style on the computer originals), Strat-RPGs, Archon, Dizzy, Alt. Reality the City


Mainly RPGs, some action, platformers are good (Harlequin is a favorite too)... I love fighting games but really that didn't happen until the 16-bit era.

Arkhan
12-08-2009, 06:47 AM
If you like RPGs the only ones of any consequence on the C64 are going to be Legacy of the Ancients and Legend of Blacksilver


the rest can be experienced with DOS with less of a headache involved. im sure you dont want to swap 5.25" disks every time you go to a new place.

all of the Ultima games with DOS have been EGA/VGA'd and have music now if they had it in the first place so dont let anyone tell you youve got to play it on the C64. They're probably high. The SID music on the C128 versions arent worth the disk swaps.

Wasteland: Same concept. You even get a mouse which makes things easier

Bards Tale: They look like crap on every computer, so you might as well play it on DOS where there's no loading mess.

Wizardry: Its ok, but its no better than any other Wizardry incarnation.

M&M: same as wizardry really. Though I prefer II on the PC

actually, you're going to find that most games in 2009 are not worth loading on the C64 because of disk swapping. DOSbox + PC versions allow you to enjoy the game without losing your immersive factor every time you gotta swap disks -_-


aside from Legacy of the Ancients and Legend of Blacksilver, your other must-play RPGs are Wizards Crown, Eternal Dagger, and Temple of Apshai Trilogy.

the rest (goldbox especially) exist in DOS, and are much more accessible to you.......

so its possible you arent really going to ever get to into the C64 since the nostalgia factor isnt there.

You might have been really into it back when it was new though!. It DOES have alot of RPGs and when it was current, did a great job, but hey! its all ancient now, might as well pick the convenient one...


You can try alternate reality on the c64, and maybe Knights of Legend and Times of Lore, but I am thinking you will try the DOS versions and go "oh, right".

strategy RPG wise, theres some wargames? like war in middle earth and crap, but theyre iffy if you're looking for really in depth stuff. Sword of Aragon for PC, now theres a good one.

AB Positive
12-08-2009, 09:25 AM
You can try alternate reality on the c64, and maybe Knights of Legend and Times of Lore, but I am thinking you will try the DOS versions and go "oh, right".


Therein lies the rub though:

1) I find disk swapping to have more immersion - makes one feel like they're 'back in the time' regardless of if you experienced it or not. I have no problem with floppy swapping.

2) Alternate Reality is crap on anything but an A8. Phillip Price knew what he was doing with Atari ASM and the ports suffer greatly. Sometimes having the easy DOS port isn't the way to go.


AR is an extreme example though - how often is a game ported away from it's "Home system" and loses *so much* in the translation?


I guess the question becomes "How many C64 RPGs are the superior version across all ports"? Sort of like the aforementioned Apshai trilogy.

Arkhan
12-08-2009, 11:30 AM
Well let me put it to you this way then

If you dont mind disk swapping and are in fact LOOKING for disk swapping, all the RPGs of the era kick fucking ass on the C64.

The sort of drab VIC-II palette actually complements most of the games.

so really if you are looking to get into the C64 and like being in front of one, fire up:

Legacy of the ancients
Legend of Blacksilver
Ultima V
Demons Winter
any of the bards tales
Wasteland
Curse of the Azure Bonds


also a non-rpg which is great on the C64 is Myth.

If you play the above mentioned RPGs and do not enjoy yourself, theres no hope then. :)

(PS: Of the above mentioned ones my favorites are Ultima V, Curse, Wasteland and LofAncients)

AB Positive
12-08-2009, 11:52 AM
If you dont mind disk swapping and are in fact LOOKING for disk swapping, all the RPGs of the era kick fucking ass on the C64.

No kidding right? Ever try to play AR the City with a single disk drive? :D

(I really should get a second 1050 drive...)

When I get home I'll have to fire a few up and give them a try.

I will give the C64 this - even before I started this learning experience, last time I had a full physical setup, Maniac Mansion is incredibly well done on the Commie.


EDIT: I should note one thing - trying the C64 turricans showed great games but they're totally unplayable for me compared to the Amiga versions. Some may say this is the updated graphics but really it amounts to one thing: I'm partially color blind. Amiga Turrican has letters on the powerups, C64 goes by colors. I can't tell what I'm picking up :/

Otherwise, it's an obviously great game. One that is just unplayable for me specifically. Same thing with Puzzle Fighter II Turbo. Lets just say I keep red on one side, blue on the other, and hope the green/yellow ones are touching their own color when I go to break one.


Ninja EDIT2: Hey - it's Montezuma's Revenge on the C64. I know it won't have the final boss like the A8 prototype version has but MR is great on every system it's on. Gotta try that too as I want to know what the sound's like on it, heh.

Arkhan
12-08-2009, 03:43 PM
Yeah. Dont forget to try Neuromancer also. Another good one.

Jorpho
12-08-2009, 04:10 PM
But Neuromancer is also available for DOS, and also looks better there than it does on the C64:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/neuromancer/screenshots

(I guess the sound wouldn't be nearly as good, though. Sampled music in 1988 is something DOS could hardly dream of.)

AB Positive
12-08-2009, 05:58 PM
Creatures 2 - got this to work after finally smartening up and looking at GameBase's site for it... "Put in other disk during cracktro"... oh. That's why it always failed :D

Just spent an hour playing it and only getting near to beating level 2. I think I want to play some more... this might be 'that game' for the C64 for me, heh.

Raedon
12-08-2009, 07:45 PM
I agree with the C128 instead of C64 hardware. The C128s I've run into may have broken keys or be nasty from being in storage for a decade but they all worked. Many C64s I've come across had issues with bad memory chips that caused crashing.

Some games don't load on my C128 without typing in the actual name of the executable file on the disk. So I'll type:

Load "$",8,1

which brings up a list of files on the disk. I'll then use the CURSOR key to move up the list and replace the

10 ***********************
20 "Turrekan +3loadmaster"
30 ***********************

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Raedon
12-08-2009, 07:50 PM
As for the Bard's Tale games, the best versions are on the Amiga. YOA-HAVA-HEALINNNNnn Love the monk heal sound.

Arkhan
12-09-2009, 03:33 AM
But Neuromancer is also available for DOS, and also looks better there than it does on the C64:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/neuromancer/screenshots

(I guess the sound wouldn't be nearly as good, though. Sampled music in 1988 is something DOS could hardly dream of.)

Of course it "looks better" on DOS, which is a relative statement because it looks pretty ass across the board.

The audio in the DOS one is frigging disastrous though. The C64 one plays digitized Devo. It automagically wins due to that.


AB Positive: Glad to see you're liking Creatures 2. :) It is a pretty awesome game.

Mayhem
12-09-2009, 05:27 AM
Creatures 2 is one of those late classic PAL titles, from the same guys that later did Mayhem (see my avatar!). Action puzzles and blood ahoy! I was able to one life the game back in the day, save everyone and find all three hidden bonus rooms. Took a lot of practice though heh. I might even be getting the original artwork for it in due course...

kedawa
12-09-2009, 08:01 AM
I had some exposure to the C64 as a kid, but since my first computer was an Amiga, I never really got around to exploring the C64 library. I played some Frogger, Ninja Mission, Crazy Taxi, and Montezuma's Revenge way back when, but that's about it.
I prefer to play classic computer games on the original hardware, so I haven't tried emulating any C64 games. Maybe one of these days when I have enough space, I'll pick one up, along with one of the modern mass storage accessories.

Arkhan
12-09-2009, 10:00 AM
you mean space taxi, not crazy taxi

AB Positive
12-10-2009, 09:17 AM
you mean space taxi, not crazy taxi

Correct, although Space Taxi does kinda play like a 2D Crazy Taxi... minus the Offspring.

Mayhem - 1 lifeing creatures 2? It took me something like 14 tries to get past room 1 on my first go! :D

Ed Oscuro
12-10-2009, 09:31 AM
Some random points for comment:

WinVICE is pretty usable. A lot of games are worth it just for the SID, in which case I just get the High Voltage SID Collection. Terra Cresta is one of these games; the loading theme is the only original thing in the game worth a damn. Sounds to me like AB + might agree with this statement so if you're just looking for a SID fix on some games you can just check this out: link (http://www.hvsc.c64.org/)

I have the feeling that I'm not getting something very simple about The Last Ninja because he's always taken a lot of hits in combat that I can't do anything about. Those are for another day I guess.

TOSEC seems to have a lot of games (not just C64 but say MSX as well) only available with cracktros and other hacked-on garbage. Gets ugly and old fast. Up to this point I've been lucky to find any C64 games so I'll try gamebase next time.

Temple of Apshai with a pretty GUI makes me laugh. I've got the TRS-80 version (unfortunately with a copied disk and no system to play it on, dagnabbit). Looking through the manual you see very quickly it's not a game meant to be played with fancy colors and other garbage.

pseudonym
12-10-2009, 12:29 PM
There was a pretty rad RPG I finished once called Deathlord. It's pretty damn hard though, I had to look at a walkthrough a few times to finish it.

Arkhan
12-10-2009, 12:53 PM
Oh! Have you tried Myth yet?

Thats probably the best platformer around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ede0NkkMXH0

Jorpho
12-10-2009, 04:58 PM
So has WinVICE now not only caught up to CCS64, but actually exceeded it? (CCS64 was the way to go back in the day.)

Arkhan
12-11-2009, 10:48 AM
So has WinVICE now not only caught up to CCS64, but actually exceeded it? (CCS64 was the way to go back in the day.)

dude it passed it up like, 5 years ago lol