Nintendo World Championship Gold Charity Auction

[jjgames]

I'm selling my Nintendo World Championships Gold in a charity auction. 100% of the proceeds go to World Vision's food programs to fight world hunger.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390130190690

[Balloon Fight]

Really awesome of you jj. I hope this one breaks the record in order for World Vision to get more proceeds. Good luck!

[pwpcody]

thats absolutely amazing! If there's a video game nobel peace prize you get it!

[jjgames]

thats absolutely amazing! If there's a video game nobel peace prize you get it!

I definitely wouldn't go that far but thanks. I have been greatly blessed this year so I wanted to help a cause that is near to my heart.

[Baloo]

Already over $10,000 with still 9 days left, that's impressive.

[TxFxL]

that's pretty awesome

[portnoyd]

so I wanted to help a cause that is near to my heart.

You mean yourself? What better way to get $20k tax free than to get it through a tax writeoff. Smart but not exactly as generous as people think.

Also like to add you should hope this doesn't make frontpage news like when you bought this, just in case this could be misconstrued as tax evasion.

[8-bitNesMan]

Tax writeoff or not, it will still be a considerable amount of money to support a worthy cause. I tip my hat to you brother :)

[Cornelius]

You mean yourself? What better way to get $20k tax free than to get it through a tax writeoff. Smart but not exactly as generous as people think.

Also like to add you should hope this doesn't make frontpage news like when you bought this, just in case this could be misconstrued as tax evasion.

Jeez man, even if he does get credit as a tax writeoff, it isn't like he gets the full sale price right back in his pocket. They don't work like that. It'll be some percentage.

[jonjandran]

And if he gets a tax write-off he then has to count the profit from selling it as income.

So either way , he pays.

[PapaStu]

**Thread moved to Everything Auctions**

Sorry JJ, for charity or not, an auction is an auction and we've got a forum for those.

Good luck with the auction, may it bring donation money aplenty.

[jjgames]

You mean yourself? What better way to get $20k tax free than to get it through a tax writeoff. Smart but not exactly as generous as people think.

Also like to add you should hope this doesn't make frontpage news like when you bought this, just in case this could be misconstrued as tax evasion.

Like anybody else who donates to a charity I deduct that donation from my taxes and the business does the same thing. It isn't tax evasion. It is a charitable deduction. It is no different tax wise than someone giving $50 to United Way or their local church.

[Baloo]

Like anybody else who donates to a charity I deduct that donation from my taxes and the business does the same thing. It isn't tax evasion. It is a charitable deduction. It is no different tax wise than someone giving $50 to United Way or their local church.

Yeah, donations to charities and whatnot are tax deductible.

I don't see how this could be tax evasion in any way.

[geneshifter]

You mean yourself? What better way to get $20k tax free than to get it through a tax writeoff. Smart but not exactly as generous as people think.

Also like to add you should hope this doesn't make frontpage news like when you bought this, just in case this could be misconstrued as tax evasion.

Dang, what a buzzkill this guy.

[-hellvin-]

Well, I think this is an awesome thing you're doing, congrats!

I'd also like to say, nice job on making an interesting event with this cart and the campus challenge. I watched the interview with Jewario on TGWTG.com and it was quite interesting!

[portnoyd]

Yeah, donations to charities and whatnot are tax deductible.

I don't see how this could be tax evasion in any way.

Didn't I say "could be misconstrued"? I didn't say it was, I said, if this becomes frontpage news (very likely), those who handle this sort of thing may try and spin it that way.

I just wanted to point out that although you cheer him for being so generous, he's still getting something in return. He is getting an assload of attention from it (and because of that, for his store) and a tax credit. And let's say he gets a non-paying bidder. In the end, he gets all that attention, a favorable image in people's eyes, gets to keep the cart and all his fees back.

Sorry if I had to shit in your cornflakes, but this is reality. He's a game reseller, first and foremost.

It also seems suspect that he would sell it months after getting it, after touting how much in value it will go up, only to let it go for charity? Very odd.

[geneshifter]

Didn't I say "could be misconstrued"? I didn't say it was, I said, if this becomes frontpage news (very likely), those who handle this sort of thing may try and spin it that way.

I just wanted to point out that although you cheer him for being so generous, he's still getting something in return. He is getting an assload of attention from it (and because of that, for his store) and a tax credit. And let's say he gets a non-paying bidder. In the end, he gets all that attention, a favorable image in people's eyes, gets to keep the cart and all his fees back.

Sorry if I had to shit in your cornflakes, but this is reality. He's a game reseller, first and foremost.

It also seems suspect that he would sell it months after getting it, after touting how much in value it will go up, only to let it go for charity? Very odd.

Yeah, you're right. Ban him!



lol, I kid.

[megasdkirby]

It also seems suspect that he would sell it months after getting it, after touting how much in value it will go up, only to let it go for charity? Very odd.

I totally agree with Portnoyd.

It seems VERY strange to have something you most desired for years, desperately tracking it down, only to get rid of it fairly quickly?

I remember JJ's post/article about finally being able to get the copy, as it showed great emotion. But now, he wants to get rid of it to give pro seeds to charity. Does it even make sense?

It's great that it's a charity auction and all, and that the money will go for a worth cause. But like Portnoyd mentioned, there is something odd about all of this.

Still, I would like to see how this turns out at the end.

[Raedon]

You mean yourself? What better way to get $20k tax free than to get it through a tax writeoff. Smart but not exactly as generous as people think.

Also like to add you should hope this doesn't make frontpage news like when you bought this, just in case this could be misconstrued as tax evasion.

If there is no charity and this is just profit the FBI do not fuck around I'll tell you that much. One of the most common white collar crimes people are locked away for is fraud. List of indictments - creation of a long firm, tax evasion, tax fraud, benefit fraud, laundering, might get some organized crime comspiracy charges if more then 2 people are involved. Any of those can get you 5+ years.

Conspiracy is a mandatory 10 to life. No getting out of 10 years on that one unless you snitch but most fraudsters don't know any other organized crime but their own. If it's your second felony that jumps to 20 to life.

This is why you don't sell drugs in the United States. I can't tell you how many guys are in prison right now just because two people wrote sworn statements to the FBI that they sold them their drugs. They don't raid for organized crime anymore. People in the 1980's were walking free just because they were raided and no evidence was found. Then they made it so anyone who has several people just saying they did something could be prosecuted as an organized conspiracy. It worked great for taking down the Mob but I feel sorry for addicts. Addicts will say or do anything to get out of trouble. White people turn over their own brothers to get out of prison time. Most of the real violence and rape you'll find in prisons is directed at snitches. thing is, guys who snitch get sent to a low security and no one cares about that crap in a low. You'll have baby rapers walking around on the yard and no one bothers them.

anywhoo ... *ramble ramble*

[Grooveraider]

I was beginning to like you, JJ. But now I see what's going on. You're nothing but a RESELLER - NOT A GAMING CONNOISSEUR :angry: I despies resellers as they have no interest in gaming but to turn a profit. If only you'd admitted that in the first place, JJ :angry: That whole story you pulled on your JJ Games site was nothing but a flat-out lie! You have no true interest in the Nintendo World Championship 1990 carts but to cause a publicity stunt for you and your business.

THE TRUTH is, noone in their right mind would pay that amount of money for ANY Nintendo game(s) unless it was SCRIPTED for someone THEY ALREADY KNOW to buy the item complete with MEDIA ATTENTION. People thinking this stunt boosts the integrity of video game collecting are simply IGNORANT.

I believe the late George Carlin had a brilliant quote about people who use charity events to boost their ego rather than fundamental. I shall find the quote and post it.

I'm not saying those Championship carts aren't worth anything. They surely are valueable but not in the 30+ year history of video gaming they're worth 10s of thousands. If that's the case, then my collection should be twice or triple that amount !

[udisi]

Geez people. He ain't gonna rip of the charity. It's right there in the auction. The charity gets paid directly.

2nd, JJ also gave away his NWC grey through a contest through his store.

Sure, he's a reseller. Anyone who's ever had a "for sale" thread on this forum is a reseller. who cares.

So what if he's used the publicity to drive some traffic to his business

You don't think the "deal of the day" thread here on this website isn't connected to a affiliate kickback program? I can pretty much guarantee it is.

[portnoyd]

Geez people. He ain't gonna rip of the charity. It's right there in the auction. The charity gets paid directly.

Who the hell said that?

The point is that so many people suck his cock and completely ignore the reality of the situation, like he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Seriously, look at this:


JJ, I hope you break a record on this fucker! In my 5 years of collecting, I've never admired someone until now. Your a great man. God bless you and your family. I wish you the best of luck.

That's almost demented.


Sure, he's a reseller. Anyone who's ever had a "for sale" thread on this forum is a reseller. who cares.

Not every person who has a FS thread owns a fucking game store. Go back to NA.

[Grooveraider]

Who the hell said that?

The point is that so many people suck his cock and completely ignore the reality of the situation, like he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Seriously, look at this:



That's almost demented.



Not every person who has a FS thread owns a fucking game store. Go back to NA.

Totally, Portnoyd. They don't even bother to question this publicity stunt.
Ignorance is truly bliss with these JJ cheerleaders.

[udisi]

what do you think the NWC 90 was in the first place? A stunt to drive business to Nintendo.

Now, I'll admit the dick sucking is kinda over the top and funny, but so is the bashing.

Sure he'll get publicity from this, but the charity will also get a good amount of money out of this. That's how charity works. That's how charities get the majority of their money.

Also as for the FS forum. It's ok for the "poor ole collector" to turn a profit, and not the "evil video game store" ?

[Oobgarm]

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[GrandAmChandler]

Not every person who has a FS thread owns a fucking game store. Go back to NA.

PORTNOYD'S FOUND THE SECRET PASSAGEWAY!

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[TonyTheTiger]

Merry Christmas, everybody.

[megasdkirby]

Hey, what happened to the nice frame this game used to have? Now it's placed in a sad, generic rental-like box. :(

[portnoyd]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/31808561/Michael+Jackson+Jackson_popcorn.gif

AAA++ would buy again, THANXXXXXXXXXXX


Now, I'll admit the dick sucking is kinda over the top and funny, but so is the bashing.

It's not bashing. At least I'm not. Am I saying he's an "evil video game store" owner (to use your exaggerated words)? Fuck no. I'm just saying, there's another half to the story that people are missing out on, judging by their comments. Before these people rush out to get him sainthood, step back and think a little. It's this lack of this kind of critical thinking that results in people sending their life savings to Nigeria.

Yes, I just went there. I brought up Nigeria in a videogame auction thread.


Also as for the FS forum. It's ok for the "poor ole collector" to turn a profit, and not the "evil video game store" ?

Don't put words in my mouth. You made the generality that everyone who sells on forums like this one is technically a reseller. I said not every member owns a game store. Where did turning a profit come from? It's an even more bizarre comment when JJGames isn't going to pull a direct profit from this. Again, go back to NA.

Seriously, no one can tell me why someone when he buys the cart, touting the value and profitability of the gold NWC, sells it 4 months later, when the value hasn't even had a chance to make a mark. Best reason I've heard was Jesus made him do it, but even that's a little odd for such a big chunk of change.

[udisi]

My "bashing comment" is more directed at the people here thinking there's some sort of scam going on here. Like the "tax evasion" comment.

I think we're actually looking at this event similarly.

We both think some people were being dumb by not realizing that this is not the BIG GIFT that it can appear to be at face value.

But it IS a good event for a charity, and some others in this thread(not you) went to the polar opposite of the "big gift" people and were looking at this and saying JJ is a douche bag for getting anything in return for this event. That I think is equally stupid.

I made the reseller comment because these same people calling him a douche are the same people who buy up games and "get something" in return while also providing games to their gaming community. The scale may be different, but the process is the same.

Why is JJ doing this shortly after he aquired the game? I don't know, I don't really need to know.

All I know is that %100 of sale is going to charity and JJ gets a tax write off.

knowing that only that last line I wrote really matters, I don't know why anyone would either, make a God, or a villain out of him.

[portnoyd]

Fair enough, Michael's had enough popcorn.

[Grooveraider]

what do you think the NWC 90 was in the first place? A stunt to drive business to Nintendo.

Now, I'll admit the dick sucking is kinda over the top and funny, but so is the bashing.

Sure he'll get publicity from this, but the charity will also get a good amount of money out of this. That's how charity works. That's how charities get the majority of their money.

Also as for the FS forum. It's ok for the "poor ole collector" to turn a profit, and not the "evil video game store" ?


It was no secret Nintendo was promoting their brand at the PowerFest -DUH!

JJ comes off acting like a Joe Schmoe video game collector in search of the "Holy Grail" for the Press. Nowhere does JJ mention he's a video game reseller. Its very significant to know this because he has the income to boost virtually ANY product and promote it as a "holy grail". If people are allowed to get the FULL STORY and BACKGROUND of JJ and then people can see his agenda. Instead, people looking at this as a "heart-felt" story about a guy who found his "dream game". BULLSHIT !!!!!!!:angry:

A video game store can turn a profit as long as the average people know who they actually are. Then I won't have a problem with it.

Just tell the fucking truth !

[megasdkirby]

Instead, people looking at this as a "heart-felt" story about a guy who found his "dream game". BULLSHIT !!!!!!!:angry:



It's a gimmick to attract new customers, at least this is what I think it is.

For me, this is all a publicity stunt, with the hopes of gaining more clientele and business. I don't think it has to do with anything other than promoting his store.

Why else would he get rid of it? I bet he had no intention of keeping the game, even when he stated it was his "holy grail" of "collecting". The only way I would think he had to sell is because he needed the funds ASAP, but noticing that he will also chip in the same amount to charity (if it sells for $30,000 he will also add an additional $30,000), this is not the case.

Unless he found another NWC 1990 gold cart.

However, I still feel this is a publicity stunt.

[Grooveraider]

My "bashing comment" is more directed at the people here thinking there's some sort of scam going on here. Like the "tax evasion" comment.

I think we're actually looking at this event similarly.

We both think some people were being dumb by not realizing that this is not the BIG GIFT that it can appear to be at face value.

But it IS a good event for a charity, and some others in this thread(not you) went to the polar opposite of the "big gift" people and were looking at this and saying JJ is a douche bag for getting anything in return for this event. That I think is equally stupid.

I made the reseller comment because these same people calling him a douche are the same people who buy up games and "get something" in return while also providing games to their gaming community. The scale may be different, but the process is the same.

Why is JJ doing this shortly after he aquired the game? I don't know, I don't really need to know.

All I know is that %100 of sale is going to charity and JJ gets a tax write off.

knowing that only that last line I wrote really matters, I don't know why anyone would either, make a God, or a villain out of him.



Again, the problem I have of all of this. The full story isn't being told. The NWC carts are being made out as "sought after" collectibles in the gaming community, the Press and the Guiness Book of World records. Its obvious this is all orchestrated by a group of well-off retailers. These aren't average gamers like the story JJ makes this out to be. The Press took JJ's story and ran with it without a full investigation. The NWC carts were never even appraised by a qualified appraiser like usual collectibles are ( i.e. comic books, baseball cards, stamps, coins, antiques, etc. ) Until that happens. This all BULLLLSHIT !!! :angry:

I'm leaving the charity part out of it because he's also using this as a tax write-off and not from the kindness from his heart. I don't take kindly to
people with a greed mentality expecting something in return when helping the disadvantage.

If JJ is not a villian and he's telling lies then what is he ??? I'm dyin to know.

[Felixthegamer]

I am sure that once the charity finds out that he is a video game re-seller, they will promptly return the donation :wink 2:

[mrmark0673]

2nd, JJ also gave away his NWC grey through a contest through his store.

Have to clear this one up a bit...

JJ "gave" away the game to some nobody that is not a part of any community, then sold the game on the NA forums on "the owner's" behalf.

http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=24397&highlight_key=y

Seriously guys, believe what you want, but use your heads please...

[portnoyd]

Sadly, JJGames gave a 2 week window to request the winner's names which expired months ago. Would be interesting to see those.

[megasdkirby]

JJ "gave" away the game to some nobody that is not a part of any community, then sold the game on the NA forums on "the owner's" behalf.

http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=24397&highlight_key=y



Very interesting link and info. Did not know this. Thanks for the info, mark!

So we see that his generous "gift" was "rejected" and then sold to someone at NA?

And look at this quote:


This is ntgvg9. And JJ recently told me in a private message that the winner of the contest didn't want the copy and wanted the proceeds to go towards JJgames.com to help the company start off right. So he is in fact switching up the story.

As I stated before, I really feel this was all done to promote his store.

Yes, it's from a banned member. But honestly, no one can tell if what he was telling was true or not.

I hope that everything is real. :)

[eskobar]

BLA BLA BLA HATE YOU JJ BLA BLA BLA


I totally agree with Portnoyd. BLA BLA BLA BLA


BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA. FOOCK YA ! BEETC


Get a life, buddies; it doesn't matter the reason. The fact is that the sell goes all to charity, how much have you given to charity this year ? :mad:

[Ed Oscuro]

Sadly, JJGames gave a 2 week window to request the winner's names which expired months ago. Would be interesting to see those.
Certainly it would be interesting to ask that this time around.

Honestly, I was wondering if you were flying off the handle earlier, but even not having paid attention I was aware of the very conspicuous lack of fanfare regarding the first "giveaway." So it's definitely a worthwhile question to be raising.

[portnoyd]

TACOS NACHOS GRANDE BURRITOS SALSA EXTRA CHEESE

How's that for a sweeping, ignorant post like yours?

Read my posts again and take your head out of the sand. The real world is afoot.

[megasdkirby]

Get a life, buddies; it doesn't matter the reason. The fact is that the sell goes all to charity, how much have you given to charity this year ? :mad:

Well, how much have you given to charity?

While you have a point, you can't deny that there is something very odd about the entire situation. Would YOU let go of a game you've been after for a very long time for something other than necessity? Specially after a short amount of time, bragging about "finally getting it", selling off the other version under some weird circumstances? I don't think so.

Charitable donations are awesome, I don't deny that. And while yeah, it doesn't affect us personally, there is something odd here.

I very much doubt you will let go of your most prized possession four months after getting for no reason than for "charity". Unless other motives are involved as well.

[eskobar]

Well, how much have you given to charity?

While you have a point, you can't deny that there is something very odd about the entire situation. Would YOU let go of a game you've been after for a very long time for something other than necessity? Specially after a short amount of time, bragging about "finally getting it", selling off the other version under some weird circumstances? I don't think so.

Charitable donations are awesome, I don't deny that. And while yeah, it doesn't affect us personally, there is something odd here.

I very much doubt you will let go of your most prized possession four months after getting for no reason than for "charity". Unless other motives are involved as well.


I see things differently, in the real world only actions count, not intentions.

And in the real world that organization will have real money, that's what matters.

You can elaborate or "uncover" some plot behind the sale, but that only matters in your small world.

If any of you wouldn't do such a thing as giving that game for charity, it doesn't mean that anyone would and you just feel good with yourself thinking about something "dark" going on.

Get over it and try to do something that can be good for another people, it doesn't matter if you get a benefit in the process.

[skaar]

I just had to point out something amusing I noticed.

100% of the final sale price will support World Vision (Small deduction may apply. Learn more)
Giving Works Item
About this nonprofit:
World Vision is a Christian relief and development organization dedicated to helping children and their communities worldwide reach their full potential by tackling the causes of poverty. We serve the worlds poor, regardless of a persons religion, race, ethnicity, or gender.

This is an eBay Giving Works charitable listing (Administered by MissionFish)

****

And in the shipping:

Item location: Denver, United States
Shipping to: Worldwide
Excludes: Africa

[portnoyd]

I see things differently, in the real world only actions count, not intentions.

And in the real world that organization will have real money, that's what matters.

You can elaborate or "uncover" some plot behind the sale, but that only matters in your small world.

If any of you wouldn't do such a thing as giving that game for charity, it doesn't mean that anyone would and you just feel good with yourself thinking about something "dark" going on.

Get over it and try to do something that can be good for another people, it doesn't matter if you get a benefit in the process.

Holy fuck, you are naive.

[eskobar]

Holy fuck, you are naive.

Yes, you are right .... in everything. You are the master of the universe :cheers:

[megasdkirby]

Holy fuck, you are naive.

Port, I think I have agreed with you so much I lost count. LOL

Well, not much I can say that already hasn't been said. I would love however, if JJGames would post some his income tax papers of next year (I know he cannot, it's just wishful thinking) and purposely OMITTING charity in the papers and NOT having a tax writeoff. At least he will gain some sort of humility.

Or what probably will happen: the game will not sell, the seller will keep it, gain an assload of promotion and positive feedback for his store. It's a win-win situation!


And in the shipping:

Item location: Denver, United States
Shipping to: Worldwide
Excludes: Africa

O...k... now THATS an oxymoron.

[eskobar]

Port, I think I have agreed with you so much I lost count. LOL

Well, not much I can say that already hasn't been said. I would love however, if JJGames would post some his income tax papers of next year (I know he cannot, it's just wishful thinking) and purposely OMITTING charity in the papers and NOT having a tax writeoff. At least he will gain some sort of humility.

Or what probably will happen: the game will not sell, the seller will keep it, gain an assload of promotion and positive feedback for his store. It's a win-win situation!



O...k... now THATS an oxymoron.


Hehehehe, definitely the internet is serious business for some people :bigmac:

Even if JJGames post his tax papers and omitted it you would think that he obviously faked the posted papers, hahahahahaha

ROFL

An applause for the not naive :angel:

[Grooveraider]

Get a life, buddies; it doesn't matter the reason. The fact is that the sell goes all to charity, how much have you given to charity this year ? :mad:

Oh I see...So how much have you contributed to your charity / government in Mexico to keep people from
fleeing their land illegally for a better life elsewhere ??? My tax dollars goes to all sorts of reliefs around the world -
so don't even go there!

Now back to the real issue at hand... JJ's DISHONESTY :angry:

[megasdkirby]

Hehehehe, definitely the internet is serious business for some people :bigmac:

Even if JJGames post his tax papers and omitted it you would think that he obviously faked the posted papers, hahahahahaha

ROFL

An applause for the not naive :angel:

The internet police can solve anything!!!! But in all seriousness, it's possible to determine if it's fake or not. But it would be silly for someone to go great lengths just to determine this...and quite sad, I admit. Unless someone REALLY despises JJ...or has no life whatsoever...or works with the government...or a mix of all three. :p

[eskobar]

Oh I see...So how much have you given to your government in Mexico to keep people from
flee their land illegally for a better life ??? My tax dollars goes to all sorts of reliefs - so don't even go there!

Now back to the real issue at hand... JJ's DISHONESTY :angry:

:above me: are you serious !????? ROFL

I can write an honest answer if you want it :bigmac:

[Shadow Kisuragi]

...why does no one take things at face value anymore? Does it really matter why JJ is selling the Gold NWC?

I've read all the threads and all the information put forth. A few things do look shady, but a lot of you are also putting intent where there may be none. Maybe JJ needs the tax kickback so that he can cover costs for his company? The cart may be a holy grail, but rationality states that the business is more important than the cart....

In any case, the only result I really see out of it is this:
* Someone is going to have a really nice Christmas with a Gold NWC cartridge
* The charity is going to receive a good amount of money
* JJ will have a tax kickback and increased traffic

If there's a non-paying bidder, the cartridge rolls back to JJ and the charity gets nothing, I'll start crying foul. Until then, give the guy a break.

[Grooveraider]

I just had to point out something amusing I noticed.

100% of the final sale price will support World Vision (Small deduction may apply. Learn more)
Giving Works Item
About this nonprofit:
World Vision is a Christian relief and development organization dedicated to helping children and their communities worldwide reach their full potential by tackling the causes of poverty. We serve the worlds poor, regardless of a persons religion, race, ethnicity, or gender.

This is an eBay Giving Works charitable listing (Administered by MissionFish)

****

And in the shipping:

Item location: Denver, United States
Shipping to: Worldwide
Excludes: Africa

Small deduction, RIIIIIGHT ROFL That's just an excuse to cover their ass!
Most of that money isn't going to charity. I've lived in this country far too long to know disclaimers are half-ass truths. And it excludes Africa?
Not surprised :shameful:

[eskobar]

...why does no one take things at face value anymore? Does it really matter why JJ is selling the Gold NWC?

I've read all the threads and all the information put forth. A few things do look shady, but a lot of you are also putting intent where there may be none. Maybe JJ needs the tax kickback so that he can cover costs for his company? The cart may be a holy grail, but rationality states that the business is more important than the cart....

In any case, the only result I really see out of it is this:
* Someone is going to have a really nice Christmas with a Gold NWC cartridge
* The charity is going to receive a good amount of money
* JJ will have a tax kickback and increased traffic

If there's a non-paying bidder, the cartridge rolls back to JJ and the charity gets nothing, I'll start crying foul. Until then, give the guy a break.


That's my point :angel:

And just look at JJGAMES sales ... the guy really don't need publicity, his ebay account has pretty great figures.

[Grooveraider]

...why does no one take things at face value anymore? Does it really matter why JJ is selling the Gold NWC?

I've read all the threads and all the information put forth. A few things do look shady, but a lot of you are also putting intent where there may be none. Maybe JJ needs the tax kickback so that he can cover costs for his company? The cart may be a holy grail, but rationality states that the business is more important than the cart....

In any case, the only result I really see out of it is this:
* Someone is going to have a really nice Christmas with a Gold NWC cartridge
* The charity is going to receive a good amount of money
* JJ will have a tax kickback and increased traffic

If there's a non-paying bidder, the cartridge rolls back to JJ and the charity gets nothing, I'll start crying foul. Until then, give the guy a break.

Its because its a fictitious story. It matters by principle. Even you're thinking some of it looks kind of shady. Look, all I want is for JJ Hendrix to be honest about his agenda these last few months since the media hype. Staying silent about it doesn't help the situation. It only gets worse.

And please, for those saying for people to get a lives. You're only contradicting yourself by hanging in a VIDEO GAME DATABASE FORUM with comments posted in the HUNDREDS & THOUSANDS.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

Its because its a fictitious story. It matters by principle. Even you're thinking some of it looks kind of shady. Look, all I want is for JJ Hendrix to be honest about his agenda these last few months since the media hype. Staying silent about it doesn't help the situation. It only gets worse.

Do philanthropists give a reason for their actions? No. It's known that the charity is done for publicity and a tax writeoff.

The money is lost to taxes at the end of the year, so the philanthropist donates to a charity instead to receive a tax writeoff. The charity receives money (win) and the philanthropist receives the writeoff (win) and publicity (double win).

There's nothing shady going on in this instance, Grooveraider. It's a common business practice in the United States. I doubt JJ will explain himself, nor should he need to, considering it deals with business operations. The deal with the gray NWC cartridge seems a little shady, but JJ's public statements are plausible.

Again, JJ will have some people to answer to should this sale break down.

[megasdkirby]

Again, JJ will have some people to answer to should this sale break down.

Most surely, he will explain that it was a deadbeat bidder, which was reported and now is NARU'd.

[MASTERWEEDO]

$13,600. Thats alot cheaper than I thought it was gonna sell for.

[jeffg]

If you go on JJGames website he also will match any direct donations to world vision up to $20K.

Yes he gets a tax deduction on that, but that on his website doesn't increase his sales and exposure like the NWC auction or the 5% of all sales going to World Vision.

The matching of up to $20K donations, only thing there is a tax write off which isn't much.

As a person who tithes and gives other places, the tax write-off doesn't come near what you give no matter what some of you guys think.
Usually when people give to causes it isn't ONLY about the tax write-off, there is usually other factors guys.

I guess some people are always cynics though.

[portnoyd]

http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=26672&StartRow=101#bottom

No one saw that coming. Wait, everyone did.

Seriously shady shit. The sale is now private (probably means the charity doesn't get shit even if he says it is), the sale is in person and the buyer wishes to remain anonymous. All of this to be taken on his word with zero accountability. Ha.

I'll be sure to quote this message when in 10 years JJ magically still has the gold NWC and is looking to finally turn it around for the profit level he imagined when he bought it.

[skaar]

Free publicity. Cred -10.

BS.

Also:


Most surely, he will explain that it was a deadbeat bidder, which was reported and now is NARU'd.

If there's a non-paying bidder, the cartridge rolls back to JJ and the charity gets nothing, I'll start crying foul. Until then, give the guy a break.

[megasdkirby]

Well, well, well.

The auction ended, and for much less than what was expected.

Then we see jjgames post this on NA:


So the high bidder backed out of the sale already. Less than 24 hours after the close of the auction he emails and says he doesn't have the money.

Luckily someone contacted me that their bid didn't go through correctly and is interested in buying it if the auction fell through. It looks like the sale will be private and they will be picking it up instead of shipping it. The buyer wishes to remain secret too so I can't share any info about them.

Just like I predicted. This just adds to the fact that this was just done to gain publicity, and not a tax writeoff.


If there's a non-paying bidder, the cartridge rolls back to JJ and the charity gets nothing, I'll start crying foul. Until then, give the guy a break.

What is your opinion on the matter now?

This is all very suspicious.

[geneshifter]

Haha WOW, I was skeptical like Jeff about this being a scam (I want to always believe the best in people) but this definitely turned to the suspicious all of the sudden.

[tubeway]

Wow. I hadn't seen this thread before, and I just finished reading it all in one sitting. It was more entertaining than an episode of Law & Order, although it's missing some closure.

[slidee]

It may look suspicious but stop throwing JJ under the goddamn bus. The way I see it is he could be pulling a stunt for publicity and keeping the game (or selling it for himself), or he could be telling the truth. There is no way you can know for sure based on the circumstantial evidence at hand. People do back out of sales sometimes, which is annoying, but it does happen. He could easily be telling the truth. We don't know.

I wish JJ would post to see what he has to say about this.

[darkslime]

I'm not really sure what to make of this, I mean, he could be telling the truth about this but I really don't know.

He gets a lot of publicity regardless.

[DarkRider23]

Lets face the facts here:

1) JJ doesn't give a shit what any of your think
2) He got free publicity by pulling a fast one
3) The money didn't go to charity
4) He probably still has the cart in hand
5) He is still donating money to the world vision whatever on his site Link: http://blog.jjgames.com/
6) He has had almost $300,000 in sales this month.
7) Corporations do shady things like this all the time
8) JJ still doesn't give a shit

My opinion: This is a win-win for JJ.

[portnoyd]

My opinion: This is a win-win for JJ.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. That's all. The reason I opened up was just to point out the other side of things, something being glossed over based on the comments prior to my own.

I don't think he made $300k this month. For one guy to ship that much on his own in 11 days would be almost impossible. I think you're going off the charitometer on that blog. Minus the $13k direct from the gold NWC auction, he's made about $16k in sales by that math. That's still pretty freaking good for one guy.

[udisi]

well, what he says could still be true, but I do have to chalk a point on to the possible shady-meter on this.

both possible outcomes are reasonable at this point.

[tubeway]

Any new developments on this deliciously dramatic situation?

[megasdkirby]

Any new developments on this deliciously dramatic situation?

I don't know, but I have this incredible urge to talk to LifeTime TV representatives to make this entire ordeal a 5 part mini special movie:

"Suspicious Gaming Grail: The JJGames & NWC '90 Gold Cartridge - Based on a True Story"

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Great reading on a Christmas Eve. I too hadn't known about this thread until now. What a piece of shit. Merry Christmas all!

[TRM]

Well I like to believe the best in people, but this does seem suspicious.

This ordeal definitely makes me think interesting (and bad) things about the original gray cart which was "given away" as a present. I took the time to submit an entry, and even considered paying money to purchase a few games from the JJ store, on the assumption that I would be entered into the contest for these purchases. I felt that this would be a faster and easier way than to write 5 different entries, yet in the end did not bother, as I was feeling cheap and also too lazy to place a few orders for games. However, if I did place an order and waste my time, just to get an entry into the contest I would have been pissed...especially after seeing the fishy dealings occuring with JJ's gold cart. Seems like the whole damn thing was a publicity stunt, and I think I'll remember this when deciding which online retailers I do and do not do business with.

[dayzed4life]

I've been reading this thread since it started and I don't post very often... but i had to put in my vote for bullshit. I don't know if it is publicity, more business, or just the attention for himself that he wants. I just hope that a good amount of money is going to this charity whether he keeps NWC or not. I also say that I agree with portnoyd on just about every point he has thrown out there regarding this subject.