Giving up on "modern" gaming

[genesisguy]

This summer I bought a used PS2 and about 20 games I've enjoyed it at times and at other times questioned whether or not I'm just wasting time. I ask this question on this forum because I know their are many members here my age and I'd like to hear if you ever think about just concentraiting on the older classic consoles.

Some examples of my angst...
I almost have an empty feeling when I complete game like GTA3 and see I've only really completed 50% of it and have to find 100 hidden packages or complete tedius side missions like the taxi mission.

I got into the CoD and Medal of Honor series. I'm almost starting to feel like once I've played one 1st person shooter you've played them all.

Lastly sports games. I got NFL 2k5 and you almost need to be a NFL coach to understand the playbook. Every positional player has so many different moves you really have to dedicate a lot of time just in learning how to control your players.

Anyone else ever feel like this? Or should I give the Ps2 some more time?

[Richter Belmount]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sCrhRPCMg BYE BYE MODERN GAMING ahem

[Kitsune Sniper]

Get better games.

Really.

ETA: Richter, at least link to the REAL video. With the right title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840B27zYfOk

[WCP]

Anyone else ever feel like this? Or should I give the Ps2 some more time?


Yeah... these things happen. It's very common to bounce back and forth between current gen consoles, and then excluding them and going totally retro for awhile. I tend to bounce back and forth. Been playing more modern stuff lately, but I know exactly what you mean. A few years ago, I didn't touch any modern games at all. Was exclusively retro.

My suggestion is don't think of it as needing to totally get rid of all your modern stuff, just box it up and put it in a closet or the garage. Play your retro stuff. You'll go back to the modern stuff eventually.

[genesisguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sCrhRPCMg BYE BYE MODERN GAMING ahem

I don't get it.

[Sonicwolf]

I dont think the PlayStation 2 is considered a good representation in regards to "Modern" games anymore...

[Zoltor]

Omg, while It's true most game suck post PS 1, those games you listed are about as meh as you can get.

You really need to get better games. For instance: Basisically anything published by NIS, most ATLUS games, Soul Caliber, Marvel Vs Capcom 2(if you don't have a working DC), and exc.

There are a metric ton of great games on PS1, and the handheld systems as well(DS/PSP). Like has been states, It's common to switch between new school systems(depending on what's coming out, on what system). There are 3 games that I'll be pre-ordering that are released in Back to Back months(Ragnarok Online for the DS, Shiren the Wanderer for the wii in Feb, and SMT: Strange Journey for the DS in March), and another two games I plan to look into around june.

As you can tell, I won't be playing much PS2 in the first quarter of the year, as the good games coming out then, are on the DS, and wii.

Also as hinted by others, It's faily common to go totally retro from time to time, becaues there usually aren't many great new games a year, however I must say, 2010 is off the a dam good start.

PS. You have to try to remember, It's not like it was in the golden age, where most of the games that companies spewed out were good, in fact now most are really bad sigh or has that uncomplete feel to it(aka, it could've been so much better).

[Oobgarm]

With modern games you kinda have to pick your battles. I've finished a few games 100%, but only those that are part of series I enjoy or really pull me in from the start. There are plenty of others that I went through the story alone and never made a lot of effort to get/do everything.

First person shooters are differentiated by the setting, much like other typical games. Once a formula works, there are a ton of games that come along to follow it. Best bet it to find ones that you deem interesting and try not to pick them apart too much. You have to go in with the mindset that you're going to rely on setting and story to get you through and keep your interest.

I personally suggest a few games that are just a little different than most on the system:

-Champions of Norrath and Champions: Return to Arms

These are great 3rd person action RPGs. They're not games for everybody, but if a person like me who is not into RPG games at all could enjoy them immensely, I think there's at least some value to be had for others.

-ICO and Shadow of the Colossus

These titles are off the beaten path and are lauded as some of the best titles the system has to offer. I'd almost say that they're required plays for PS2 owners.

-Amplitude and FreQuency

If you have an interest in music/rhythm games, these are ones to try. They're basically precursors to Guitar Hero and Rock Band, as they're developed by the same folks.

-Ratchet & Clank (any)

So these are mostly typical platformer titles, but they're really, really good.

As others have said, I wouldn't rid myself of the system entirely. Put it away if you find yourself growing tired of it and come back to it later. In all honesty, the games you mention are just standard titles that are good on their own merits, but aren't something that really taps into that gaming vibe, so to speak.

[Nebagram]

Get a Gamecube or at the very least heavily invest in the games- pound for pound the Cube had the best quality games of the last generation.

But if you're looking for truly killer PS2 titles (and I can't say I blame you), Devil May Cry (particularly #3) and God of War are about as good as the action-console genre get, Disgaea 1 & 2 were cracking little RPGs, you seem to have overlooked Katamari Damacy, Okami is an instant classic and (though your mileage may admittedly vary on this one) the 3D Mortal Kombat games were woefully underrated.

Oh, and you can do a lot worse than give Flipnic a try. :)

[scooterb23]

I find it funny to see everyone saying "get better games." I'm sorry, but I remember nearly every game he listed being an 8-9 rated game upon release. Those are supposed to be the best games, aren't they? Interesting...

I would say keep the PS2, but look for those games that have that classic inventive feel, but with a modern touch. Games like Katamari Damacy, Everywhere Road Trip / Choro Q (the CarPGs), Rez, Freestyle Metal X (if for nothing else, the mini game you can unlock where you try to launch your rider onto a target in Hell). There are also some good classic compilations worth looking for as well.

You don't need better games, you need the right games :)

[Jorpho]

It's not like it was in the golden age, where most of the games that companies spewed out were goodAHAHAHAHA!

[TheDomesticInstitution]

A least your name isn't "PS3Guy" then. That'd be embarrassing.

[Zoltor]

I find it funny to see everyone saying "get better games." I'm sorry, but I remember nearly every game he listed being an 8-9 rated game upon release. Those are supposed to be the best games, aren't they? Interesting...

I would say keep the PS2, but look for those games that have that classic inventive feel, but with a modern touch. Games like Katamari Damacy, Everywhere Road Trip / Choro Q (the CarPGs), Rez, Freestyle Metal X (if for nothing else, the mini game you can unlock where you try to launch your rider onto a target in Hell). There are also some good classic compilations worth looking for as well.

You don't need better games, you need the right games :)

How long have you been playing games? The reviewers are crappy, and corrupt to say the least these days.

Never, I said ******* "NEVER" go by professional(lol, not so professional) reviewer sites's reviews.

Gamefaqs is more reliable(as they are writing by actual gamers), but in this day, and age, there are alot of people that never actually played a good game before.

GTA is decent for momantary fun(such as jumping off a roof in a bike/car, exc), but as a game to "beat", it sucks, and the other games he listed are meh at best.

[Oobgarm]

Gamefaqs is more reliable

AHAHAHAHA!

[Zoltor]

AHAHAHAHA!

Next time quote the entire statement ******.

[aderial]

With modern games you kinda have to pick your battles. I've finished a few games 100%, but only those that are part of series I enjoy or really pull me in from the start. There are plenty of others that I went through the story alone and never made a lot of effort to get/do everything.

First person shooters are differentiated by the setting, much like other typical games. Once a formula works, there are a ton of games that come along to follow it. Best bet it to find ones that you deem interesting and try not to pick them apart too much. You have to go in with the mindset that you're going to rely on setting and story to get you through and keep your interest.

I personally suggest a few games that are just a little different than most on the system:

-Champions of Norrath and Champions: Return to Arms

These are great 3rd person action RPGs. They're not games for everybody, but if a person like me who is not into RPG games at all could enjoy them immensely, I think there's at least some value to be had for others.

-ICO and Shadow of the Colossus

These titles are off the beaten path and are lauded as some of the best titles the system has to offer. I'd almost say that they're required plays for PS2 owners.

-Amplitude and FreQuency

If you have an interest in music/rhythm games, these are ones to try. They're basically precursors to Guitar Hero and Rock Band, as they're developed by the same folks.

-Ratchet & Clank (any)

So these are mostly typical platformer titles, but they're really, really good.

As others have said, I wouldn't rid myself of the system entirely. Put it away if you find yourself growing tired of it and come back to it later. In all honesty, the games you mention are just standard titles that are good on their own merits, but aren't something that really taps into that gaming vibe, so to speak.

I couldn't have said this better myself. And if you end up liking the Champions games, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Dark Alliance II are both very good as well.

[Oobgarm]

Next time quote the entire statement ******.

Why quote the entire thing when the first part is all anyone needs to see to laugh at?

[Zoltor]

Why quote the entire thing when the first part is all anyone needs to see to laugh at?


No you terd, there was a foot note, along with the rest of the sentance, that "you" decided to ignore, you don't put only half the statement up.

I'm not talking about quoting the entire post, but you dam well better quote the entire statement, not just what "you" want to see.

[walrusmonger]

Most Gamefaqs uses are 10 to 16 years old, how are their opinions more reliable than someone who has played enough games to built a solid foundation for review? Don't even get me started on grammar....

I laugh at the Gamefaqs reviews I've written.

[genesisguy]

Damn you guys are quick responders! Thanks for being so helpful and taking my post seriously. I read through my original post this morning and it looks almost like a troll post with all the whining.

Maybe the games I've picked thus far for the ps2 are lousy. But as scooter23 pointed out a lot of those games did receive positive reviews from professionals and just plain gamers. So this all comes down to the individual. I'll try some of these others you guys have mentioned. But I will say after looking at Oobgarml's list those are all games I would NEVER buy just by researching them or seeing them on the local shelf. But those may be exactly what I need to get out of this funk.

My girlfriend got a Wii when I got the Ps2 and I thought that was the silliest console anyone could buy, until she just picked up the new Super Mario Bros and Mega Man 9 and I can play these two games all night long.

Zoltor you mention the Ps1 and I had one of those back in high school for about a year. I know this is a broad over statement but I never got into the Ps1 either and with my limited experience with the Ps2 I feel it is just a prettier update of the Ps1.

Sonicwolf, I understand the Ps2 isn't a great representation of "modern" gaming. That said I can't afford a Ps3 or Xbox360 and with the way I'm feeling about the Ps2, both of those consoles appear to basically just extend into the prettier graphics and updates of the previous generation's 3d games like the Ps2 did to the Ps1. I would have traded all my NES games as a child if you told me there would be games as realistic looking as the newer ones. Now I feel like they are only realistic until they get terribly dated.

[Fuyukaze]

I find it funny to see everyone saying "get better games." I'm sorry, but I remember nearly every game he listed being an 8-9 rated game upon release. Those are supposed to be the best games, aren't they? Interesting...

I would say keep the PS2, but look for those games that have that classic inventive feel, but with a modern touch. Games like Katamari Damacy, Everywhere Road Trip / Choro Q (the CarPGs), Rez, Freestyle Metal X (if for nothing else, the mini game you can unlock where you try to launch your rider onto a target in Hell). There are also some good classic compilations worth looking for as well.

You don't need better games, you need the right games :)

I'm going with this as well. Katamari's definitly a time killer when you get right down to it but it's incredably fun. The system's got a great many games that are outright fun to play. Catch is most didnt recive great critical aclaim. Raiden III, R-Type Final, Gradius III/IV, and Gradius V are all good shooters that play alot like the classic counterparts.

As far as sports titles, I'm not aware of any that are simple when it comes to football. Plenty of Racing games that are fun, plenty of Tennis games that are fun, but as far as the major sports games, I'll let someone else recomend something.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

turd

Fixed.

[buzz_n64]

Yeah, PS2 is the previous gen, but that's not a bad thing. PS2 has plenty of good games, and many "ok" and bad ones. Contra shattered soldier is fun, but hard (use gameshark) ready 2 rumble 2 is a fun title with less than steller grafics. Metal Slug Anthology is great with metal slug 1,2,x,3,4,5, and 6! but no 3d evolution. viewtiful joe 2. crash bandicoot 4. I do see many of these people's points. The last years of the NES's and SNES's lifespan were their best, with the PS2 it seems like their getting the cheap left over budget titles, which sucks ass.

[Press_Start]

I find it funny to see everyone saying "get better games." I'm sorry, but I remember nearly every game he listed being an 8-9 rated game upon release. Those are supposed to be the best games, aren't they? Interesting...

Professional reviewers these days act no better than your typical fanboy. Sites like GameInformer, IGN, Gametrailers, etc., should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[scooterb23]

How long have you been playing games? The reviewers are crappy, and corrupt to say the least these days.

Never, I said ******* "NEVER" go by professional(lol, not so professional) reviewer sites's reviews.

Gamefaqs is more reliable(as they are writing by actual gamers), but in this day, and age, there are alot of people that never actually played a good game before.

GTA is decent for momantary fun(such as jumping off a roof in a bike/car, exc), but as a game to "beat", it sucks, and the other games he listed are meh at best.


I've been playing games for 30 years. You?

And Gamefaqs? Reliable? On what planet? It hasn't been worth a damn except for walkthroughs for 10 years. Oh yeah, I suppose it's great if you actually care whether the dot from Adventure would beat de Blob in a character battle.

Also, see how fair I am? I quoted your entire post. Your post caused my browser's spellchecker to kill itself, by the way.

[Oobgarm]

dam well

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/liberty-dam-free-flow4.gif

http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/Heetteri/Samara_well1.jpg

You should learn to English better, terd. :roll:

[megasdkirby]

No you terd, there was a foot note, along with the rest of the sentance, that "you" decided to ignore, you don't put only half the statement up.

Insulting a member, use of horribly bad grammar...you learned all that at GameFaqs, correct?

Ah, how I used to remember the amount of immature, ignorant members that abound in said hell hole.

Regarding the original topic, I too agree that some games are excellent, but some games are just unnecessarily complicated. Press this button to do that, that button to do that, both buttons to do that, tap the first button once and the second button twice to do something else, etc etc. I remember when my friends used to say that difficulty does not make a game...now it should be "having a Doctorate degree does not make a game".

I like old games. Games that focus on the action and not about what buttons and method to use to take a piss in a game.

Although I will admit that when the game is awesome, I try my best to give it a shot.

[Flack]

All hail Zoltor, king of the terds.

[scooterb23]

Yeah, sorry to get sidetracked by obveeus trowwll.

Maybe if you gave us a list of some of your favorite games, we could help tailor a list of games you might be interested in?

I mean, we've given you a lot of what we like, and what we think you will like, but it would help to know what you enjoy. Makes things like this much easier. Also, since you said you never got into PS1 games, we can hook you up with recommendations for sure that as well. We've got the biggest PS1 fans in the world hanging around here after all. :)

[ubersaurus]

There are a pretty good number of modern games that are good, it's just dependent on what your tastes are, really. I'm not a huge FPS fan, so I don't generally try those out unless it's something really sweet, like Portal, or a Halo game (which I loved). You mentioned that you like the new mario and mega man games... have you checked out Muramasa or Odin Sphere? They may be right up your alley, sort of a 2D action RPG thing going there.

I would also like to point out that loads of craptacular shovelware have permeated gaming from the beginning, and that the reviewers I've met and talked to are actually pretty reasonable people who genuinely love games.

[kupomogli]

Get better games.

Really.


I find it funny to see everyone saying "get better games." I'm sorry, but I remember nearly every game he listed being an 8-9 rated game upon release.

On release I never liked GTA3 much. The game at the time was somewhat decent but I never got passed the second island on GTA 3 because I got too bored, and I rarely ever just ran around blowing stuff up.

NFL2k on the other hand. The only one I played was on Dreamcast and I thought that was the best football game I've ever played.

But if you think the PS2 is a crappy system you need to get better games. As you can see in my avatar, Disgaea is not one that I'd recommend, but the system has a ton of games that are excellent.

Oobgarm listed Ico and Shadow of the Colossus which are really good as are Champions of Norrath, Champions Return to Arms, which he also listed plus add Baldur's Gate(not the same Baldur's Gate as the PC game.) Nebagram listed Devil May Cry 1 and 3, which are also good games.

As for other good games. For RPGs there's Wild ARMs 3, 4, 5, Suikoden 3, SMT Nocturne, SMT Digital Devil Saga 1, 2, etc, etc, etc. Other favorites from different genres would be various Gundam titles, Armored Core, Evergrace, Forever Kingdom, King's Field the Ancient City, Zone of Enders 2, Resident Evil Outbreak 1(terrible load times if you don't have an HDD,) 2(same,) Code Veronica X, Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3, etc, etc, etc.

The system has a ton of great games. There are a lot of games that you'd never be able to experience on earlier systems due to technical limitations.

[megasdkirby]

But if you think the PS2 is a crappy system you need to get better games. As you can see in my avatar, Disgaea is not one that I'd recommend, but the system has a ton of games that are excellent.


Oobgarm listed Ico and Shadow of the Colossus which are really good as are Champions of Norrath, Champions Return to Arms, which he also listed plus add Baldur's Gate(not the same Baldur's Gate as the PC game.) Nebagram listed Devil May Cry 1 and 3, which are also good games.

I too never liked the Playstation 2. Sure, it has some wonderful games, but for some reason, it just never appealed to me. I've tried to give it a chance so many times, and still nothing. With the exception of a few games, nothing really stands out that makes me want to play it. And it's ironic, because I have nearly 200 games for the console, yet I barely play it. I should rephrase that...I rarely play it. Yet I really like the Playstation 3. Go figure.

The games you listed really depends on the person. I liked DMC 1 (only have parts 1 and 2), but I disliked Shadow of Colossus. I don't like GTA, Gran Turismo, most First Party games...in other words, most "mainstream" titles. Yet I really liked the obscure stuff. What's sad that, while I simply adore the Silent Hill series, I have no urge to play part 3. I am sad because of this, and I really want to play it, but for some reason I have to force myself to do so. Perhaps it is resentment towards the console and not that it doesn't appeal to me.

I honestly don't know.

[BydoEmpire]

Check out the December 09 Retrogaming Roundup podcast - the intro editorial has a similar feeling.

[Aussie2B]

Don't be afraid to go against the grain. Even on collector-focused sites like this one, it's still not uncommon to see people's playing skewed toward modern gaming, as if retro games are there just for the nostalgia or to be played in lieu of any exciting upcoming releases. If anything, it's the other way around in my gaming world (except I'll never run out of quality classics to play :P ). Modern gaming is kind of a foreign concept in general to me because even when I buy stuff for the current systems, the games have usually been out for months or years already and have been marked down, and then when I bring them home, I don't generally play them all the way through until years later when they're already beginning to become "retro".

But I could never give up on modern gaming. There's always stuff coming out that interests me, even if I don't care to play it immediately, and I'll pick them up for cheap when I can, as I've done with DS, PSP, GameCube, PS2, 360, etc. But to heck with hype and people screaming "OMG YOU MUST PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE COOL." If I play a game 5, 10, years later it won't be any less good or bad than it is right now.

[megasdkirby]

But to heck with hype and people screaming "OMG YOU MUST PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE COOL."

That sounds like my friends forcing me to pick up Modern Warfare 2, even though they know I really have no interest in the game.

[genesisguy]

Check out the December 09 Retrogaming Roundup podcast - the intro editorial has a similar feeling.

Damn. I've never heard of the Retrogaming Roundup but this guy said basically what I've been feeling all along. Thanks for that.

[kupomogli]

in other words, most "mainstream" titles. Yet I really liked the obscure stuff.

Try the Armored Core. Not really obscure but not main stream titles at all. If you get a PS360 AC, make sure to skip AC4 and go straight to AC for Answer.

MS Saga is a Gundam RPG with an original storyline. Not really a good story but not terrible. The gameplay is the best part about the game. You customize all your mobile suits with head parts, arm, leg, body, every single weapon type, etc. Each character gets different abilities, etc. So the game altogether is very customizable between characters, and very very strategic in battles.

Another Century Episode series is sortof like Armored Core mixed with Gundam Encounters in Space but with robots from a lot of different series. Great series. Import only.

Kessen 1 and 2. Kessen is based in Japan, Kessen 2 is based in China. Both are strategy war games completely different than any KOEI game released before. One thing about Kessen 2 is that it's only loosely based off Romance of the Three Kingdoms storyline. Extremely well done story utilizing the excellent in game graphics engine. I think the first one is technically the better game(worse graphically.) but I like Kessen 2 more.

Maybe try and look into a few of these. These are some really good titles.

*edit*

Also another pretty good game. Steambot Chronicles. ZOMG ATLUS!!!!!! The games world is similar to Mega Man Legends/Tail Concerto and you ride around in customizable craft called Trotmobile. The game is basically a sandbox adventure game. You can take quests, get different instruments and play them to make money, get different jobs to make money, rent apartments, etc.

[Manhattan Sports Club]

PS2 was the last on the consoles from the previous generation that I bought. First it was DC, then GCN, then XBOX, and those 3 remain my favorite, because even if they were less popular, I believe they had some rather remarkable games that stood out very well which were not available on other consoles. Also, XBOX gets points over PS2 in the sense that, whenever it had something the PS2 also had, it often did it better, even if that version was less popular (such as GTA, Shikigami no Shiro, and even more highly criticized games like Turok Evolution). However, most of my must-have exclusive PS2 games are imports such as Mushihime-sama, Espgaluda, and a remake of the original NiGHTs into Dreams, which is well done. Of course anyone can throw the whole "overrated" card around so I don't care if folks here disagree with me and I can respect their indifferences, but I think the DC, GCN and XBOX were more quality than quantity like PS2. The problem with alot of modern games IMHO is that they tend to become too vast, too complicated, and take themselves too seriously and lose their sense of fun, where it starts to become more of a chore. I find that's what turns me away from these games. I don't like how most modern gaming has taken that direction, and shouldn't be that way or else you're playing the wrong games.

[Jisho23]

You really need to get better games. For instance: Basisically anything published by NIS,

I seriously cannot tell if this post is trolling... or if I am now trolling.

<ahem>

Honestly, I have so much more hope for this current generation primarily for alternative sources of games (digital distribution sources like Steam, Xboxlive, etc.). Last generation was good, but it was really marked by these massive "blockbuster" games (your Halos, GTA's, etc.) which certainly narrowed the field of play. Most other games really fell to the wayside when compared to these behemoth releases. Thanks to a a growing community of independent developers as of late (and a vehicle to market them) I predict (and hope to see) a rise of cheaper but more creative and diverse games, which is something that has gradually been happening over the last couple of years.

Unfortunately, I can't have the same hope for gaming overall. I have a feeling this glut of "peripherals" are going to flood the market. Guitar Hero started it, Wii codified it, and now we are seeing it start to go bad...

[BHvrd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKWGCcq1Mo&feature=PlayList&p=DB8D26735E8427A1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10

:D

[xfrumx]

I consider myself a classic gamer and have some games on PS2 I love.

I recommend trying

Yakuza (and part 2)
Puzzle Quest
Klonoa 2
Rez
R Type Final

Check those out!

[stonecutter]

me thinks Flack meant King? of the terds

[Zoltor]

I seriously cannot tell if this post is trolling... or if I am now trolling.

<ahem>

Honestly, I have so much more hope for this current generation primarily for alternative sources of games (digital distribution sources like Steam, Xboxlive, etc.). Last generation was good, but it was really marked by these massive "blockbuster" games (your Halos, GTA's, etc.) which certainly narrowed the field of play. Most other games really fell to the wayside when compared to these behemoth releases. Thanks to a a growing community of independent developers as of late (and a vehicle to market them) I predict (and hope to see) a rise of cheaper but more creative and diverse games, which is something that has gradually been happening over the last couple of years.

Unfortunately, I can't have the same hope for gaming overall. I have a feeling this glut of "peripherals" are going to flood the market. Guitar Hero started it, Wii codified it, and now we are seeing it start to go bad...

I do believe you maybe the one trolling here(I posted multiple other games, along with that thank you very much). Sadly it looks like the PS1 got most of the developer's better games, so the list of great games is rather short, most of the PS2 games are just new school smut, following the footsteps of Square.

NIS games kick ass, so I don't know what you are trying to point out.

Yea, but I have a feeling aside from a few gems(rather dowloaded or an actually produced game), handhelds will continue getting most of the better games.

peripherals are in of its self, a good thing, but omg not at the extent it has been or at these insane prices(Balance board is $100, a full set of GH stuff costs like $200), It's completely insane. Why would I pay that much just for peripherals, when you could get like 2-8 new games for the same price?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Spells like terd, grammers like terd, text-stutters like terd. Mind the terd? Terd minded. I'll check back December twenty-terd. 'Til then, pls no step in terd. Unlis u feets git kowld. Thain terd warm them... Hmmm, nice terd.

Calm the Terd Min! I terded this terdy with a terd in my lap, for great terds!

Protip: It's worth 2k terds.

Terd, don't jive scooter, he terds biggerest than u. Al ur terds are belung to Oz.

The rest of you, stop listing parts of my PS2 collection. It's getting weird. O_O

[Sonicwolf]

Spells like terd, grammers like terd, text-stutters like terd. Mind the terd? Terd minded. I'll check back December twenty-terd. 'Til then, pls no step in terd. Unlis u feets git kowld. Thain terd warm them... Hmmm, nice terd.

Calm the Terd Min! I terded this terdy with a terd in my lap, for great terds!

Protip: It's worth 2k terds.

Terd, don't jive scooter, he terds biggerest than u. Al ur terds are belung to Oz.

The rest of you, stop listing parts of my PS2 collection. It's getting weird. O_O

That was quite bizarre...

I feel obligated to say that this is a candidate for post of the year.

[SplashChick]

This summer I bought a used PS2 and about 20 games I've enjoyed it at times and at other times questioned whether or not I'm just wasting time. I ask this question on this forum because I know their are many members here my age and I'd like to hear if you ever think about just concentraiting on the older classic consoles.

Some examples of my angst...
I almost have an empty feeling when I complete game like GTA3 and see I've only really completed 50% of it and have to find 100 hidden packages or complete tedius side missions like the taxi mission.

I got into the CoD and Medal of Honor series. I'm almost starting to feel like once I've played one 1st person shooter you've played them all.

Lastly sports games. I got NFL 2k5 and you almost need to be a NFL coach to understand the playbook. Every positional player has so many different moves you really have to dedicate a lot of time just in learning how to control your players.

Anyone else ever feel like this? Or should I give the Ps2 some more time?

Uh, just FYI, I don't think playing games more than 5 years old really counts as "modern gaming". =/

[G-Boobie]

PS2 was the last on the consoles from the previous generation that I bought. First it was DC, then GCN, then XBOX, and those 3 remain my favorite, because even if they were less popular, I believe they had some rather remarkable games that stood out very well which were not available on other consoles.

The PS2 had a huge number of exclusive games too, and many that helped define the medium to this day. Of course, whether or not that's a good thing is entirely subjective, but games like God of War, Devil May Cry, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 3, Yakuza, Frequency, SMT Nocturne, Gradius V, Persona 3 and 4, Dragon Quest 8, Virtua Fighter 4, Katamari Damacy, etc. etc etc. are totally worth checking out.


Also, XBOX gets points over PS2 in the sense that, whenever it had something the PS2 also had, it often did it better, even if that version was less popular (such as GTA, Shikigami no Shiro, and even more highly criticized games like Turok Evolution). However, most of my must-have exclusive PS2 games are imports such as Mushihime-sama, Espgaluda, and a remake of the original NiGHTs into Dreams, which is well done. Of course anyone can throw the whole "overrated" card around so I don't care if folks here disagree with me and I can respect their indifferences, but I think the DC, GCN and XBOX were more quality than quantity like PS2.

Your opinion is totally valid, and I respect you for stating that it is in fact your opinion. Turok Evolution was balls, though: let's be clear on that.


The problem with alot of modern games IMHO is that they tend to become too vast, too complicated, and take themselves too seriously and lose their sense of fun, where it starts to become more of a chore. I find that's what turns me away from these games. I don't like how most modern gaming has taken that direction, and shouldn't be that way or else you're playing the wrong games.

Meh. There are certain games where I agree with you completely. Then again, there are plenty of other games that draw me in WITH their complexity and depth. It all depends on what you're looking for. I've put five hundred hours into Street Fighter IV online this year, and an equal number into solitaire on my iPod. It just depends on mood, I guess.

There's nothing wrong with not being happy with the direction games have taken in the last two generations or so, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it either. It's all about how you feel. OP, I suggest checking out some of the PS2 games the fine folks of DP have suggested on your PS2, and if you still aren't feeling it, then that's fine: there are plenty of older games that still need attention.

[SplashChick]

The PS2 had a huge number of exclusive games too, and many that helped define the medium to this day. Of course, whether or not that's a good thing is entirely subjective, but games like God of War, Devil May Cry, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 3, Yakuza, Frequency, SMT Nocturne, Gradius V, Persona 3 and 4, Dragon Quest 8, Virtua Fighter 4, Katamari Damacy, etc. etc etc. are totally worth checking out.



Your opinion is totally valid, and I respect you for stating that it is in fact your opinion. Turok Evolution was balls, though: let's be clear on that.



Meh. There are certain games where I agree with you completely. Then again, there are plenty of other games that draw me in WITH their complexity and depth. It all depends on what you're looking for. I've put five hundred hours into Street Fighter IV online this year, and an equal number into solitaire on my iPod. It just depends on mood, I guess.

There's nothing wrong with not being happy with the direction games have taken in the last two generations or so, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it either. It's all about how you feel. OP, I suggest checking out some of the PS2 games the fine folks of DP have suggested on your PS2, and if you still aren't feeling it, then that's fine: there are plenty of older games that still need attention.

SF4 makes me so mad but I just can't leave it alone.

[G-Boobie]

SF4 makes me so mad but I just can't leave it alone.

Game of the year for me. Crazy good!

Do you play on 360 or PS3? Add me and we'll get some matches in.

/digression

[SplashChick]

Game of the year for me. Crazy good!

Do you play on 360 or PS3? Add me and we'll get some matches in.

/digression

It is good, but the flaws that it does have REALLY seem to stand out.

I play on 360 and my gamertag is SplashChick.

[jdc]

I've gotten rid of a PS3 and a Wii. I keep a 360 around but don't view it as my main system. I prefer to collect for, and play, an Xbox. I own 156 Xbox games and with a library of this size, the Xbox has an entire salad bar of gaming genres to play. It turned out to be a pretty good system after all, much to my surprise. Games are games. I dont think that you have to commit yourself to embracing or abandoning a generation of videogames. Keep your PS2 plugged in...alongside your Genny....and play what you feel at the moment. Don't pidgeonhole yourself.

[Flack]

me thinks Flack meant King? of the terds

I did, although in my defense, the king of the terds is kind of a terd.

[kupomogli]

Do you play on 360 or PS3? Add me and we'll get some matches in.

/digression

How good have you gotten G-Boobie? I rarely jump on SF4 now so while I'm better than I was before, I still am not that great. I still can't pull off long combos like some people can. Someone I know is on that game all day long and can pull off stuff like those Hard Challenges regularly when fighting me.

[Jisho23]

I do believe you maybe the one trolling here(I posted multiple other games, along with that thank you very much). Sadly it looks like the PS1 got most of the developer's better games, so the list of great games is rather short, most of the PS2 games are just new school smut, following the footsteps of Square.

NIS games kick ass, so I don't know what you are trying to point out.

Yea, but I have a feeling aside from a few gems(rather dowloaded or an actually produced game), handhelds will continue getting most of the better games.

peripherals are in of its self, a good thing, but omg not at the extent it has been or at these insane prices(Balance board is $100, a full set of GH stuff costs like $200), It's completely insane. Why would I pay that much just for peripherals, when you could get like 2-8 new games for the same price?

Don't get me wrong, I like some of what NIS makes (I've put in a staggering amount of time into both Disgaeas) but saying everything they make (or publish at this point) is good...

My point being is that gaming is becoming dotted with these huge mega-games with massive marketing engines behind them. Last generation was the first time (I recall) that people began to directly compare the type of hype and money games make to the type of hype and money Hollywood makes. I'm ambivalent toward this approach... it does make gaming more popular which is not a bad thing, but to what expense? Last generation (in spite of many great games) will be most well known for Halo, GTA3, and WoW.

And these peripheral wars... its getting insane. All these developers trying make peripherals (or use existing peripherals like the Wii mote) to play games in "new ways." The fallout from DJ Hero and Tony Hawk is going to be big... I hope it catches on that you need a good game, not a good mechanic for playing. That was the real success behind Guitar Hero.

[SegaAges]

I am not going to lie, I pretty much stopped reading the posts to ignore the troll. So forgive me if somebody has already mention some of this.

As for current games, if you do not enjoy those, I know for a fact there is something out there for you.

Me, I am mainly a 360 guy. I have just over 100 games. That does not make me an expert, but I can tell you stuff I like.

As for FPS games, imo, there seems to be a split between them now. There is the realistic ones, and the insane ones. The insane ones are games like Unreal Tournament, Gunz. Of course, for realistic, no need to even name them off.

If you are not finding fun games, it is not that you are playing crappy games, it is that you are probably trying to force yourself to play genres of games you might never like.

Trust me, I am still forcing myself to play shmups since I suck at them and get pushed away from the difficulty.

If you are not having fun playing what you have, find something else to play with. Some people collect and do not collect to play. You sound like a person wanting to collect to play. For you, do not just get games because they are on a deal or because they are getting good reviews. If you have a current game system, just download the demo to try out the game, and I can guarantee you will find tons of games you win really like.

Just stop forcing yourself to play the games you do not like. It will just frustrate you and make you not want to even touch the console.

[skaar]

So emo. PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE~~~~~~~~~!

[Raedon]

*RUNS INTO THE FORUM THREAD*

Ohh! A trool thread!

*GETS OUT TOOLERY TROLLERY FUN SACK*

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[G-Boobie]

How good have you gotten G-Boobie? I rarely jump on SF4 now so while I'm better than I was before, I still am not that great. I still can't pull off long combos like some people can. Someone I know is on that game all day long and can pull off stuff like those Hard Challenges regularly when fighting me.

I'm not great, but I took thirteenth out of about fifty at Michigan Masters a couple weeks ago, and took fifth in Third Strike. I help run my local fighting game community which meets every Saturday and play online as much as I can. My execution is getting there, so some of the harder combos are fairly easy for me to nail in a tournament situation. It just takes practice and exposure.

So yeah. I'm good enough that I never embarrass myself, but I'll probably never hit top three. Work, girlfriend, school, etc. etc. etc. I'm in it for the fun, and if I can't have fun losing, then to hell with it.

/digression again.

[boatofcar]

If you're talking modern gaming as in consoles that are current, XBLA, PSN, and the VC are enough of a reason to stay in modern gaming. But the OP seems to already have his mind made up, so I don't think anything we can say will change it.

[b0ub0u]

This generation is very boring if you ask me.

- All first person shooter are better on the PC anyway, so no FPS for me in console
- RTS are still king on PC, so same thing there
- I love quirky games, so on 360 and PS3 I mainly play PSN and XBLA downloadables games (Geometry wars I and II, everyday shooter, bit trip, MegaMan 9 & 10, Castle Crashers, PixelJunk series, N+, Echochrome, these are awesome games)
- The priority has been set for graphics over gameplay this generation.. as it show.. as most games are performing below 30 fps, and this is just completely ridiculous. Guys, when you make a game, put AT LEAST 30 fps as the benchmark, any extra eye candy that make it dip below that, well.. REMOVE THAT EXTRA EYE CANDY DAMN IT... it does NOT make the game any better.. it make it worse!
- There was still gems out there, Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's soul, Forza 2 & 3, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, but most of the other game are mostly multi-platform trash, and these almost always end up on PC and way better on that platform anyway

- The Wii is different, as I find that it has more games that I do care about. All of these games are unique and are not port or whatever (most first party games and some third party, the rest is garbage though)

[genesisguy]

Hey everyone it's the grouchy retro gamer reporting in:wink 2:. This thread has really taken off and I've got some good recommendations to try now.

I spent yesterday playing a Ps3 at a buddies house. I hate to say it but I still don't get the modern trends. Call of Duty Madden, and GTA 4 are just prettier versions of what I was seeing on the Ps2. Now, NES and SNES are two of my favorite consoles but if you take something like the Zelda line you see how different Zelda 2 was from 1 on the NES and then how Link to the Past is a nod to the original Zelda.

Someone asked me what I liked in the older games...
NES: Marios 1-3, Castlevania, Contra, Mega Man, Zelda, Double Dragon, Batman
SNES: Turtles in Time, Zombies Ate my Neighbors, Mega Man, Contra, Castlevania
Genesis: Streets Of Rage 2, Golden Axe, The NHL series, Shinobi 1-3, X-Men 1 and 2, Rambo 3, Alien 3

[genesisguy]

- The Wii is different, as I find that it has more games that I do care about. All of these games are unique and are not port or whatever (most first party games and some third party, the rest is garbage though)

My girlfriend owns a Wii and we've been talking about moving in together so that's kept me from purchasing a Wii. I gotta say. It has the most games out of all the modern consoles I like.