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NayusDante
12-22-2009, 07:31 PM
Ah 3dfx, how I miss you. I would love to have a pair of PCI-E VooDoo running SLI, but it was not meant to be.


http://ocia.net/aimages/28_1_full.jpg

Anyone who was into the PC gaming scene back in 96-99 should remember 3dfx and their revolutionary accelerator cards. I was introduced to these wonderful add-ons with an HP PC that included a VooDoo 1 board, playing a special Glide-enhanced version of Mechwarrior 2. It wasn't long before we got a VooDoo 2 to replace it (breaking Mechwarrior 2). When I finally got my own PC, a VooDoo 3 2000 AGP soon followed.


That AGP card is still a powerhouse, and I've gotten more use out of it than any piece of technology I own, save for my NES. There's still an enthusiast community built around those cards, and it's astounding what they can do (Half-Life 2!). It's a shame they aren't still in the business, but failure to make Glide widely accepted and the maturation of the other APIs pushed 3dfx out of the market. Of course, their lavish corporate lifestyle didn't help, which probably distracted them from the work they should have been doing to stay on top. Maybe if the Dreamcast had panned out in their favor...

It's been eight years since 3dfx filed for bankruptcy. Most of their assets were bought by nVidia, and were rumored to be used in the GeForce 5XXX line. It's probably safe to say that no more games are going to be developed with support for Glide, but I can't find a definitive list. What are some of the games that run either specifically in Glide, or at least were designed to support 3dfx cards?

Got any memories of 3dfx? Still running Quake III on your VooDoo 2 SLI? Post your stories below!


List of Glide Games (http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=534) (Windows)

Another List (http://www.si-gamer.net/gulikoza/glide.html) (DOS-focused; I'd like to find a definitive DOS list)

Employee Interview Videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIPStpvkSwE&feature=related)

Commercials from a very, very different era...
Proud Workers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldiYYJNnQUk&feature=related), Medicine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmaYH1F6kho), Feed the World (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o72T8qQr7GE&feature=related)

Steve W
12-22-2009, 09:55 PM
Memories of 3Dfx cards...

I had just bought a Mac clone, a UMAX C500, and was looking for a good video card to fill one of the two PCI slots in it. 3Dfx Voodoo 1 cards were available for PCs, and a little company finally decided to make one that was Mac compatible. There was a stupid pass-through cable, going from your Mac's video output into the card and then you plugged your monitor into the card. Goofy set-up, but without that cable you could plug in a second monitor I discovered.

Anyway, around late 1999 I decided I would go get myself one of those $200 ATI Rage 128 cards that had hit the shelves. Bought it, installed it, and started noticing problems. Jumbled artifacts on my desktop, and when I played my save point in Tomb Raider 3, I'd turn away from a cave wall, look out at the rest of the cavern, and the machine would freeze up solid. It turns out that my UMAX C500's motherboard had PCI 1.0 slots, and the Rage 128 card would only work properly in PCI 1.1 slots, which damn near every other computer had other than mine. Any graphics too complex would lock the computer up. So I did a little online investigating, and found that 3Dfx had come up with a Mac compatible firmware flash for the PC cards, along with updated drivers for OS 8/9. So I returned the ATI Rage 128 card, bought the Voodoo 3 3Dfx card for only $99, and used the store credit a few months later to buy my Sega Dreamcast.

The jump from a Voodoo 1 to a Voodoo 3 gave me a few problems. Most of my graphics accelerated games like Carmageddon and Future Cop: L.A.P.D. wouldn't work with it and go to software rendering, which in the case of Carmageddon, was pretty ugly with lots of graphical issues. But there were some good games that took advantage of the Glide library. The casing of the C500 is really small, and the heat that thing put out was pretty strong, almost like a space heater. The heat inside the case eventually killed my CD recorder, although it was a piece of junk to begin with, so that might not have factored in. Eventually I upgraded to an eMac 800, an all-in-one computer, and the 3Dfx card was left behind and forgotten about. By that time they were already out of business, so it was best that I moved on. I'm just happy that they even bothered supporting the Macintosh to begin with.

OldSchoolGamer
12-23-2009, 12:33 AM
Very cool story, thanks for sharing!

Push Upstairs
12-23-2009, 02:09 AM
I remember talking my parents into getting a VooDoo 4 (or 5) for our 333Mhz IBM Aptiva (my dad liked the brand/line). I was able to run "American McGee's Alice" on that PC with the VooDoo with not much issue, other than levels taking *forever* to load.

Today I have a VooDoo 3 in my Win98 gaming machine. The card might be slightly older, but my Win98 machine is faster (500mhz) and has maxed out ram.

phreakindee
12-23-2009, 09:03 AM
When I was about 14, the next Need For Speed came out, NFS3. I was so excited, got it a few days after release. Little did I realize it essentially required an accelerator.

After a bit of research, I found that the Voodoo2 was the best out there, so I saved up for months and bought the $140 12mb Blackmagic card. It required a 2D card to be hooked up to, which should be no problem right?

Well the card I had already was an integrated POS. I never got it to work. So, I had an awesome $140 paperweight. Eventually we got another machine, I installed it and loved it to DEATH. My friends had cards by S3 with more memory, but they were always jealous and came over to play my games on Glide. Hehe.

Soon after, the Voodoo3 came out and I got the PCI 2000 16mb. It was an all in one so it was great, got me through the Unreal Tournament years.

Then nVidia bought them out and 3DFX was no more, so I got a GeForce card and haven't moved from nVidia since!

I re-bought Voodoo2 and Voodoo3 cards and built Windows 95 and Win98 systems around them. I will post photos later, they've got logos and custom decals just for the celebration of 3DFX.

The Voodoos are simply amazing pieces of hardware when you have a game that supports them. There are sites like Falconfly that have all the info you could need on Glide games and patches. I'm trying to collect these games myself and have a couple dozen so far.

Still trying to get a good Voodoo1 card to play the first Glide games properly (yes I know many of them had patches, but the real deal is almost always better). DOS 3DFX games especially intrigue me, like Carmageddon and Shadow Warrior. I have the machine ready, just need to find a card. Can't wait to get to those! 3DFX forever.

Rob2600
12-23-2009, 05:00 PM
My parents bought a new computer in early 1999 for the family. The CPU was an AMD K6-2 300 MHz, with 32 MB of RAM and integrated motherboard video. A year later, I replaced the integrated video with a Voodoo3 2000 PCI when it was discounted. I paid around $80 for it, retail. I also upgraded the RAM to 256 MB, replaced the CD-ROM drive with a CD-RW drive, and added an ethernet card, all of which were a huge pain in the neck because the tower was so tiny. (I'll never own another slim/micro tower again.)

The computer with the Voodoo3 card ran StarCraft, Frogger 3D, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, and Quake III beautifully, but it choked to death on Heavy Metal: FAKK2, which is odd, since that game ran on the Quake III engine. It ran Deus Ex and Drakan: Order of the Flame pretty poorly, too.

phreakindee
12-23-2009, 05:16 PM
...The CPU was an AMD K6-2 300 MHz, with 32 MB of RAM and integrated motherboard video. A year later, I replaced the integrated video with a Voodoo3 2000 PCI when it was discounted. I paid around $80 for it, retail. I also upgraded the RAM to 256 MB, replaced the CD-ROM drive with a CD-RW drive, and added an ethernet card... but it choked to death on Heavy Metal: FAKK2, which is odd, since that game ran on the Quake III engine.

Strange indeed, since I had and have almost the exact same setup with a Voodoo3 2000 PCI card and FAKK2 runs great on it fully accelerated. Sad, it's such a great game.

Rob2600
12-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Strange indeed, since I had and have almost the exact same setup with a Voodoo3 2000 PCI card and FAKK2 runs great on it fully accelerated. Sad, it's such a great game.

That's weird. I remember I tried every combination of settings and installed the patch and I still only got maybe five frames per second. It was really frustrating.

What didn't make sense is I got single digit framerates at the highest detail settings/resolution *and* the lowest detail settings/resolution. Nothing seemed to help. Oh well, that was almost 10 years ago and I've since moved on.

Greg2600
12-23-2009, 06:35 PM
I think I still have a Voodoo3 AGP card in a box somewhere, if anyone wants it. Ha ha. OpenGL eventually surpassed it, but 3dfx was really the best graphically when it went extinct.

Ed Oscuro
12-28-2009, 08:24 PM
The computer with the Voodoo3 card ran StarCraft, Frogger 3D, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, and Quake III beautifully, but it choked to death on Heavy Metal: FAKK2, which is odd, since that game ran on the Quake III engine. It ran Deus Ex and Drakan: Order of the Flame pretty poorly, too.
I coulda swore that my Voodoo 3 2000 PCI ran Aliens vs. Predator and similar games smoothly back in the day - but now it dies on them. Not sure what's going on. If what you say about Quake III is correct it should run Soldier of Fortune pretty well (although I'm trying to play a newer edition, Platinum, that has anisotropic filtering and some other goodies), because it's a Quake II engine game.

NayusDante
12-28-2009, 09:08 PM
My Voodoo 3 2000 AGP was and is still in my Pentium II 266 with 96Mb PC100 SDRAM. I remember Unreal Tournament was the first game that didn't run perfectly smooth, and Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force was pretty choppy. Of course NOW I can probably get better performance with a faster hard drive, modern 3rd party drivers, and a higher clock speed. I might make UT framerate my next weekend project...

Steve W
12-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Sometimes it can be something small in the OS that throws things off. I occasionally like to go into Mac OS 9 mode and play Future Cop: LAPD, but something that was installed on a system update not too long ago has totally screwed up the sound now. All the sounds play at half speed. It doesn't seem to affect the graphics to any degree, but it's annoying as hell. And makes the voice of Sky Captain sound even more evil. :)

Ed Oscuro
12-28-2009, 10:46 PM
Sound problems are generally pretty intractable and driver-specific. I don't think there's really any excuse for a graphics card plugged directly into a relatively fast bus like PCI to be grinding along.

I suppose it's possible that the newer third-party drivers I got for Win98 are at fault, but this isn't like nVidia breaking compatibility with the game for newer releases. These enthusiast drivers were meant (as I understood it) to add features to the drivers that 3dfx had planned but didn't get to market, or to improve games from about its time. I suppose that'd be worth checking out though.

gepeto
01-17-2010, 08:03 AM
I love 3dfx but the company ending pissed me off. I was a huge supporter. I had no idea they were going out of business. They had a clearance sale of the voodoo 2 cards the ones you link together with nice rebates, Rebates they never intended on honoring. I thought that was foul. The next thing you know old jeds a millionaire.

I still have them cards around here somewhere. Gereat times.

skaar
01-17-2010, 10:56 AM
From what I recall the Voodoo3s were usually crappier than my SLI Voodoo2 12MB cards... and I remember them having a ton of compatibility issues.

I held out with a Matrox G400 and SLI Voodoo2s for a lot time after the Voodoo3s were out... I think an ATI Radeon was what replaced them in the end.

Push Upstairs
01-17-2010, 12:21 PM
I love 3dfx but the company ending pissed me off. I was a huge supporter. I had no idea they were going out of business. They had a clearance sale of the voodoo 2 cards the ones you link together with nice rebates, Rebates they never intended on honoring. I thought that was foul. The next thing you know old jeds a millionaire.

I don't believe anyone intends to honor rebates, which is why I try to buy products that don't dangle "rebates" as an purchase incentive.

At least bankruptcy is a better excuse than some generic and vague excuse that usually gets used on customers. X_x

gepeto
01-17-2010, 07:18 PM
The only rebates I haven't recieved was from IO magic and 3dfx and I average 8 per year.. I will never order from IO magic again but the 3dfx sent me a card blaming me as the reason I didn't get the rebate. Saying something was missing on both. Back then money was tight. It was a good run while it lasted.

that was a memorable era

esquire
01-27-2010, 08:57 PM
There's a 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 AGP prototype up for sale on ebay right now. high bid is $676.

http://cgi.ebay.com/3Dfx-Voodoo-5-6000-AGP-128MB-Video-Graphics-Card-RARE_W0QQitemZ300391008180QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_V ideo_TV_Cards?hash=item45f0b307b4

More interesting is the sellers 3dfx collection, linked from the auction page

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3851

I miss 3dfx. I'm thinking of putting together a Win 98 machine with one (if I can find a Voodoo 5 cheap) as well as my Aureal Vortex soundcard, another blast from the past.

phreakindee
01-27-2010, 09:28 PM
Holy crap, that collection is amazing!!

And the proto board is of course awesome as well, thanks for sharing the links!

Soviet Conscript
02-03-2010, 10:36 PM
is there any truth to the idea that a voodoo 1 works better with ceratin games that were hardcoded for it as opposed to useing a later voodoo card?

NayusDante
02-03-2010, 10:41 PM
is there any truth to the idea that a voodoo 1 works better with ceratin games that were hardcoded for it as opposed to useing a later voodoo card?

Well, I know that some games were designed for the Voodoo 1, and had trouble running on any other cards. The 3dfx edition of Mechwarrior 2, for example. It's POSSIBLE to run it on other setups, but without messing with it, only a Voodoo 1 will play it.

You have to keep in mind that it was one of the VERY first 3D cards, so there's no standard to code for. I don't know for certain, but I would think that there would be a few games like that.

PC-ENGINE HELL
02-04-2010, 09:12 AM
There's a 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 AGP prototype up for sale on ebay right now. high bid is $676.

http://cgi.ebay.com/3Dfx-Voodoo-5-6000-AGP-128MB-Video-Graphics-Card-RARE_W0QQitemZ300391008180QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_V ideo_TV_Cards?hash=item45f0b307b4

More interesting is the sellers 3dfx collection, linked from the auction page

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3851

I miss 3dfx. I'm thinking of putting together a Win 98 machine with one (if I can find a Voodoo 5 cheap) as well as my Aureal Vortex soundcard, another blast from the past.

Yea I have a P3 1ghz tower I built running Windows ME. I slapped a I/O Magic Vortex2 card in it. Right now a Rage 128 Pro is in there, but Im going to swap it out with a Monster Fusion Banshee (http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/diamond_monsterfusion/) when it arrives. I got to tell you, Aureals drivers are a pain to get installed right past the original on the driver cd. Most of the updated drivers are missing files here or there. Seemed like when I used the card prior I read others had issues too with the newer drivers being a pain to install on the Turtle Beach versions.

Greg2600
02-04-2010, 06:54 PM
A graphics card collection? Now I've seen it all.

PS: Anyone who was pissed 3Dfx closed, imagine if you had a Rendition Verite?

PC-ENGINE HELL
02-04-2010, 10:37 PM
Could be worse, you coulda bought a Rage Fury Maxx. Support for it was so bad it was like ATI had went out of business after launch.

buzz_n64
02-04-2010, 11:51 PM
My family's first computer was a Packard Bell with a Pentium Pro processor running at 166MHz. It was I think in 1997 or 1998, and it had no graphics card. For my 15th birthday, I got a Voodoo 3dfx card for it. The card came with some moto gp game, Turok, and some other game. I used to play Croc on it a lot, MDK, Duke Nukem, and so on.This computer and the graphics card sustained most of my gaming needs at the time. I was indeed sad to see the company go under.

WCP
02-04-2010, 11:57 PM
3dfx brings back some good memories. I remember sometime in 1996 a friend of mine showing me the original Tomb Raider game, running on a PC with a 3dfx card. At the time I owned a Playstation and the PSX version of Tomb Raider. I was amazed at how much better the game looked. One of the main reasons I avoided playing games on a computer, was because I was the type that wanted a controller in my hand, and didn't want to play games with a keyboard and mouse. My buddy had a Micrsoft sidewinder controller, and he was playing Tomb Raider with that. I tried his setup out, and was hooked. I had to have it.

I ended up building my very first gaming PC. Not long after that I think I got my N64, and I basically had a PS1, N64 and PC with 3dfx. It wasn't too long from that point that I basically stopped playing console games, and went 100 percent to the computer side. Games like the original Unreal blew my mind (at the time). Pretty much during 1997, 1998 and early 1999 I didn't really have a clue as to what was going on in the console world, because I was too busy playing PC games. Then when the Dreamcast was launched on 9-9-99 that all changed. I bought a Dreamcast on day 1, and basically jumped back on the console gaming bandwagon.

Since that time, I haven't built a single gaming PC, and only game on consoles. The interesting thing, is that I'm actually pondering returning to the PC side of things. Why? Well, I still love console gaming but I'm a bit disappointed in the fact that no new console systems are on the horizon. I like the cycle of a new console being released every 5 years. If this cycle were to continue, that would mean the Xbox 720 would release this November. Obviously, we know that isn't about to happen. A new Xbox or PS3, could be a good 3 more years away, which makes me think that maybe I should jump onto the PC bandwagon for a few years, just to get that "next-level" feeling that I like so much. Then again, building a PC, and constantly upgrading is something I haven't had to deal with since 1999, and I'm not really looking forward to jumping back into that any time soon....decisions, decisions.

Soviet Conscript
02-10-2010, 08:34 PM
the cable used to connect a 2d card to the voodoo 1 and 2. any M to F vga cable will do correct? it wasn't something special?

i just got a voodoo 1 8mb and a voodoo 2 12mb and thinking of building a win95 machine.

phreakindee
02-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Yup, nothing special. Just a standard M->F cable.

PC-ENGINE HELL
02-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Go with Win 98. The drivers tended to be more well rounded for Voodoo cards in 98/Me then in 95 by the end of it.

Soviet Conscript
02-13-2010, 12:21 AM
Go with Win 98. The drivers tended to be more well rounded for Voodoo cards in 98/Me then in 95 by the end of it.

yhea, i acually have a win98 setup with a voodoo 3 AGP card. the win95 thing is just a product of haveing to many spare pc parts and time on my hands. i don't even know if there were any games that were made for 95 and didn't work in 98...maybe 1 or 2. same with useing a voodoo 1.

PC-ENGINE HELL
03-03-2010, 08:59 PM
Not done yet, as I still need to trim up one of the fans screw mount areas down evenly so they all match in size, but here is my Voodoo 5500 PCI so far.
Eventually I will be adding some kinda cooling solution to the back of the card also. The fans are Masscool 4000 rpm fans attached using 40mm to 60mm red adapter plates. I had the smaller screws that came with the adapter plates were not thick enough to grab into the heat sinks, so I used the original screws, just trimmed them down slightly. The larger screws used to mount the fan sadly were not long enough either (what a surprise) so that's why I trimmed the screw mount areas on the fans.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/Voodoo5500pci.png

NayusDante
03-03-2010, 09:19 PM
Was the 5500 produced in AGP? It strikes me as a bit odd to trick out a PCI video card from that late in the 3dfx line...

PC-ENGINE HELL
03-03-2010, 09:32 PM
Was the 5500 produced in AGP? It strikes me as a bit odd to trick out a PCI video card from that late in the 3dfx line...

Yea a AGP one was produced, but uses the older AGP slot standard, so its a pain to find a decent board to use it on. You are basically limited to older Socket A boards that are able to handle AGP 1/2x cards. Something like a Nforce 2 based board wont cut it.

The PCI card however can be used in basically any system you want to make, so its a bit more sought after. The speed of the PCI one is basically the same as the AGP card in games, maybe 3-5 percent slower. At the time the PCI card was released it was basically the best PCI card you could by, other then a Geforce 2 MX pci.

Push Upstairs
03-04-2010, 03:13 AM
I wouldn't mind mounting a fan on my VooDoo 3.

But I'm not really sure how to go about doing that. There are only two mount holes for that heat sink.

http://www.falconfly.de/identify/Voodoo3_3000_PCI.jpg

NayusDante
03-04-2010, 09:35 AM
I'd try a PCI-slot fan. That's basically what they're for. It won't be as effective as card-mounting it, but you'll still be actively cooling the card.

PC-ENGINE HELL
03-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Push Upstairs, you can take a thinner socket A fan, a couple of 40mm fans, or a 60mm fan, and use tad longer screws to mount it to the heat sink. As long as the screws you use are thick enough they will dig into the heat sink fins.

Yea I considered doing that PCI-slot fan thing for the back of the card actually. It'll depend on what I find as I go looking around. Im wanting something that has fans that will go around 4000rpm. If I need to I may make my own using Thermaltake fans placed to flow air downward on the card. They make some pretty fast reliable fans. Ill just have to see .

Push Upstairs
03-04-2010, 10:14 PM
I'm not opposed to removing the heat sink and putting something more fan mount friendly, but for the time being I'll try the PCI slot fan I have.

Zing
03-24-2010, 12:09 AM
I went to a local Quake LAN party. I had a pretty nice rig. I had a STB Lightspeed 128, which was pretty much the fastest DOS Quake video card you could get. My friend had just gotten one of the Monster 3D cards. He did a timedemo for me at 640x480 and it was ridiculous. I had to have one.

So I got one. It was amazing for GLQuake and Descent 2 (d2_3dfx). Opponents hated to go against me in Descent 2 on Kali since that game was heavily influenced by your framerate.

It performed well until Quake 2, at which point I defected and tried out the Riva TNT as well as the Matrox G200. Both supported 32bit color instead of the 3dfx 16bit, but the performance was not quite on par with my single Voodoo2. Very quickly, the TNT2 was released and that was the final nail for the 3dfx coffin. I remember my friend bought a Voodoo3 instead and he regretted that purchase dearly.

goldenegg
03-24-2010, 03:53 AM
I wouldn't mind mounting a fan on my VooDoo 3.

But I'm not really sure how to go about doing that. There are only two mount holes for that heat sink.


Super Glue! I used to do that all the time with various cards. You'd be surprised how well you can get it to stick with a minimal surface contact.

Push Upstairs
03-24-2010, 12:56 PM
Not very easy to replace the fan, is it?

Soviet Conscript
03-28-2010, 06:50 PM
Super Glue! I used to do that all the time with various cards. You'd be surprised how well you can get it to stick with a minimal surface contact.

doesn't the heat unglue it?

i've got a voodoo 3 3500 on the way and i plan on overclocking it so i'm hopeing to stick a fan on it directly.

NayusDante
03-30-2010, 12:33 PM
I just found a 3D Blaster Banshee in my local thrift for $1.00. It's AGP though... Can I SLI that with a VooDoo 2 PCI? Guessing no...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4476196641_8715efa104_b.jpg

Also found some SD, DDR, and DDR2 for a quarter each. I might get out my 1ghz AMD chip + board and set up another 3dfx rig with all this, heh.

Now I have a VooDoo 2 PCI, VooDoo Banshee AGP, and VooDoo 3 2000 AGP.

NayusDante
04-01-2010, 07:46 PM
Just saw something neat on eBay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Voodoo-magazine-3Dfx-issue-2-w-Final-Fantasy-VII-demo_W0QQitemZ370300150003QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item56379be0f3

http://www.arcadecollecting.com/pics/DSCN1634.jpg

A little pricy, but very neat. If that's the 120mb FF7 demo that was 3dfx enhanced, I hope that whoever buys it would upload it, because I can't find it.

Jorpho
04-01-2010, 11:23 PM
I just found a 3D Blaster Banshee in my local thrift for $1.00. It's AGP though... Can I SLI that with a VooDoo 2 PCI? Guessing no...The drivers at 3dfxzone.it seem to explicitly support "mismatched SLI", yes.

EDIT: Oh, wait, you said Banshee. In that case, I would also imagine not.

NayusDante
04-01-2010, 11:25 PM
The drivers at 3dfxzone.it seem to explicitly support "mismatched SLI", yes.

Really? I'm looking at my Voodoo 2 and the ribbon connecter is about 33% wider than the pins on the Banshee. I don't think AGP cards do SLI at all, to be honest.

PC-ENGINE HELL
04-02-2010, 02:55 AM
No, you cant SLI the Banshee. You can only SLI a Voodoo 2 with a Voodoo 2.
Make sure your board will run well with older AGP cards. The Banshee runs at 1X AGP. You got one of the better Banshee cards there. The Creative one with Sgram was nice and performed pretty close to the Diamond Fusion I have. You should look into screwing on a small 40mm fan though. The Banshee runs pretty hot when its passively cooled.

Soviet Conscript
04-12-2010, 01:00 AM
finally got around to installing my voodoo 3500. ended up replaceing the thermal pad with thermal compound and strapped a 486 cooling fan to it with a length of wire since i didn't have any screws long enough. a bit ugly but it seems to work fine. have the 486 fan blowing down into a pci slot fan that blows the hot air out the back. have to say i hate that non standard DVI slot though that forces me to use that breakout box.

parallaxscroll
04-12-2010, 10:24 AM
3Dfx's fate was sealed in mid 1997 when SEGA decided to not use their chip in their then-upcoming superconsole.

Sega of America and 3Dfx were working on the Black Belt console while Sega of Japan was working with NEC & Videologic on the Katana console. The Katana was chosen to become Sega's next console, which of course was named Dreamcast.

3Dfx sued NEC and Sega, then Sega settled with 3Dfx a year or two later.
It was too late for 3Dfx as they began to lose ground to Nvidia with the TNT2 cards. By late 2000, after losing the Xbox contract with GigaPixel, the remains of 3Dfx was bought up by Nvidia.

PC-ENGINE HELL
04-12-2010, 12:36 PM
3Dfx's fate was sealed in mid 1997 when SEGA decided to not use their chip in their then-upcoming superconsole.

Thats the stupidest comment Ive ever read regarding anything 3DFX related. That was a side deal that in no way would have equaled the revenue the company got as a computer graphics card provider. It would have just been a small piece of a very large pie financially, and it did nothing in the end to keep Power VR going in the Pc world.

What buried 3DFX was lengthy development cycles with nothing to fill the gaps, constant ignoring of the low end sectors, mismanagement of resources that caused vital crew to be taken off of projects like Rampage (thanks Greg), the merger with STB, ignoring the importance of hardware T&L early on, and being a overly lavish spender on company lunches and shit.

Soviet Conscript
06-24-2011, 07:35 PM
have an extra pc laying around again and 2 voodoo 2 cards so thinking of setting up an voodoo sli pc just for the hell of it. questions are.

1) my 2 voodoo 2's seem to be 2 diffrent manufacturers, ones a monster and the other has no label but it is a black card.

2) i know the voodoos are passthrough cards but do i have to use a dedicated 2d card with them or can i use anouther 2d/3d card like this spare viper v770 ultra i have laying here? will that create any conflicts or will the voodoos only kick in when i use a game that supports them?

Zing
06-24-2011, 08:04 PM
The Voodoo cards only enable when the GLIDE driver is used. Only GLIDE games will turn them on.

The passthrough is purely analog and will work with literally any other video card.

Jorpho
06-24-2011, 08:38 PM
1) my 2 voodoo 2's seem to be 2 diffrent manufacturers, ones a monster and the other has no label but it is a black card.You will need the drivers from 3dfxzone.it for "mismatched SLI". (And of course you will also need an SLI cable, but apparently you can cobble one together from an old floppy cable.)


The Voodoo cards only enable when the GLIDE driver is used. Only GLIDE games will turn them on.Heck no, sir! That might be true in DOS, but the Voodoo cards were also quite capable of Direct3D and OpenGL.


2) i know the voodoos are passthrough cards but do i have to use a dedicated 2d card with them or can i use anouther 2d/3d card like this spare viper v770 ultra i have laying here? will that create any conflicts or will the voodoos only kick in when i use a game that supports them?If you are playing Direct3D games, it can be tricky. There's a little doodad at http://www.falconfly.de/tools.htm called 3D Control Center that will let you switch between cards, but if the drivers for your Viper support a higher DirectX version than the 3DFXZone drivers, the Viper will always be used.

Zing
06-25-2011, 01:11 PM
Someone with a TNT2 Ultra would clearly want to use that for Direct3d instead of a Voodoo2. I had both back in the day, and always preferred the TNT2 for anything Direct3d. It was a coin flip for Quake 2. The TNT2 had 32bit color, so the game looked great, but it didn't have the rock solid FPS of the Voodoo2.

When you say "OpenGL" you really mean "Quake". The Voodoo and Voodoo2 cards had a miniGL port, specifically made for Quake/Quake2. It wasn't a full OpenGL implementation.

Jorpho
06-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Well, a lot of things used the Quake/Quake2 engine.

Also, while it can't use the OpenGL ICD, if you copy 3dfxvgl.dll to an application's directory and rename it to opengl32.dll, that will work. There's also WickedGL, but that doesn't support everything either.

PC-ENGINE HELL
06-29-2011, 02:23 AM
Someone with a TNT2 Ultra would clearly want to use that for Direct3d instead of a Voodoo2.

Depends on the game. Some earlier DirectX titles were not supported too hot by the earlier Nvidia drivers, and the problems (speed and grafx bugs) were never addressed completely, causing you to bounce back and forth between driver sets, etc. 3DFX driver support was really just a bit stronger and more well rounded up until the end of the company.

Plus you got the benefit of Glide and better performance in Open GL type titles like Quake 2 or SIN. That makes a big difference when you're looking to do a build that handles a certain Direct X time frame, from like 96-98, since you want to have a build that can cover as many bases as possible as best as possible, not just Direct 3D. TNT2 Ultra was also built for single-texturing, which presented its own set of fps/performance issues on some games.

Edmond Dantes
07-02-2011, 10:13 AM
I have a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI in my classic gaming rig. I've been quite satisfied with it for the most part. The only thing is I've noticed framerate drops in the original Half-Life if played with OpenGL or Direct3D. I seem to recall other issues, but its been awhile. Mainly I just chalk it up to Half-Life being the most resource-intensive game I own.

Soviet Conscript
09-08-2012, 10:47 PM
anyone know really how much more powerful the voodoo 5500 is then the voddoo 3500? i know the 5500 can do 32 bit color and a few fancy things but from what i looked at they have the same max res. same RAMDAC speed and the core/mem speed of the 5500 is acually slower, 166mhz to the 3500's 183 mhz. i know the 5500 has 2 gpus so does it make a huge diffrence in practice.