Western games are only good on PC.

[bombman]

And Japanese games are only good on console. Weird huh.

The 360 is not an exception because most of the good games either have a superior version on the PC, or are Japanese.

Console vs PC argument go.

[bombman]

Meant this for Modern board actually but w/e.

[Pezcore343]

This is the possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read, given as how you list no examples or reasons. Just trolling at its best.

[HappehLemons]

what.

[kupomogli]

Champions of Norrath is an awesome Western PC game..

Oh wait. This is on the PS2.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/915265_20040209_790screen001.jpg

[diskoboy]

RPG's are only good on PC's.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[chrisbid]

over/under for the age of the op...

i say 12

[bombman]

Champions of Norrath is an awesome Western PC game..

Oh wait. This is on the PS2.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/915265_20040209_790screen001.jpg

Oh wait it's a generic bargain bin dungeon crawler.

[kupomogli]

You could say it's bargain bin now that it's Greatest Hits.

[bombman]

Well yeah. Bargain bin game under the Greatest Hits label, just like all those games based on Nickelodeon cartoons, or the Madden games.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Well yeah. Bargain bin game under the Greatest Hits label, just like all those games based on Nickelodeon cartoons, or the Madden games.

... Madden games have been released as GH? I thought they never did, the better to milk the fans with.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I predict carts are back next gen... (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135040)

[Gapporin]

sup

Ever get your sales sorted out? (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140251)

[tubeway]

Next on Digital Press:

Shooters are only good in 2d.
Puzzle games are only good if they involve bricks.
My dad can beat up your dad.
I have a twelve inch penis.

[bombman]

sup

Ever get your sales sorted out? (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140251)

huh, it's always weird to stumble upon stuff written about you behind your back. yeah, i told him i'd send it to him on tuesday.

[bombman]

Next on Digital Press:

Shooters are only good in 2d.
Puzzle games are only good if they involve bricks.
My dad can beat up your dad.
I have a twelve inch penis.

a bit more narrow in scope to be sure, but suit yourself.

[Aussie2B]

All of my favorite Western games are console-only (Rare's games).

[bombman]

Rare hasnt made a good game since Banjo Kazooie though.

[darth]

To me, ALL games are better on console except for strategy games.

[Baloo]

Rare hasnt made a good game since Banjo Kazooie though.

Banjo-Tooie?

[Cloud121]

Next on Digital Press:

Shooters are only good in 2d.
Puzzle games are only good if they involve bricks.
My dad can beat up your dad.
I have a twelve inch penis.
You forgot one:

"Hey guys, I own a house."

[Fuyukaze]

Are you asking a question or are you simply trolling for flames? Reguardless, your giving all the aperance your an idiot. I dont know what your after but I feel all the more stupid for having given you even a moment of my time.

[darkslime]

I disagree.

[Pezcore343]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/th3n00b/family-guy-i-disagree-1.jpg

[Lady Jaye]

Damn, guess I'll have to stop playing Mass Effect, Dragon Age Origins, X-Men Legends I and II, Marvel Ultimate Alliance I and II, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Lego Star Wars and Lego Indiana Jones, and Eternal Darkness, among countless other titles, on my consoles.

I was misled into thinking that these western console games were actually good and worth playing on anything but a computer!

[bombman]

Damn, guess I'll have to stop playing Mass Effect, Dragon Age Origins, X-Men Legends I and II, Marvel Ultimate Alliance I and II, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Lego Star Wars and Lego Indiana Jones, and Eternal Darkness, among countless other titles, on my consoles.

I was misled into thinking that these western console games were actually good and worth playing on anything but a computer!

They're usually higher resolution and fixed bugs on a PC!


Are you asking a question or are you simply trolling for flames? Reguardless, your giving all the aperance your an idiot. I dont know what your after but I feel all the more stupid for having given you even a moment of my time.

I could do the obvious thing here, but I'll just leave this quoted.

[todesengel]

They're usually higher resolution and fixed bugs on a PC!
I beg to differ on that good sir, I've played many a console to PC port that had some horrible game stopping bugs that weren't in the console versions.

[buzz_n64]

PC gaming in the modern era is a joke. The consoles like PS3 and 360 are as powerful as most gaming PCs, if not more powerful. For the price of one gaming PC, you can buy 5 Xbox 360's. Western games are great on consoles, unless you're into WOW.

[ryborg]

heh, you guys PLAY your video games??? video games are for children. the only way to truly enjoy a game is to keep it sealed so it retains max value

[Lord_Magus]

PC gaming in the modern era is a joke. The consoles like PS3 and 360 are as powerful as most gaming PCs, if not more powerful. For the price of one gaming PC, you can buy 5 Xbox 360's. Western games are great on consoles, unless you're into WOW.

Of course, that's because the PS3 and 360 have BECOME gaming PCs, in everything but name. Ever since Halo came out for the original XBOX we've seen a shitstorm of generic first person shooters, third person shooters and other types of games that were originally intended mostly for PCs. So in the end, PC gaming hasn't died - it's actually more alive than ever, and it's just shifted to a different platform and inferior control scheme.

I sort of agree with the original poster in many regards though - generally speaking the West has gotten a lot of things right from time to time (traditionally on computers such as the Commodore 64 and Amiga, and the PC of course), but most games ended up feeling like they were designed by the programmers rather than people with a clear vision. When it came to pure gameplay and attention to detail, the Japanese have always been (and still are) in a league of their own.

Then again, some of the best games I've ever played have been developed in the west: Deus Ex, Metroid Prime, Another World, Eternal Darkness, the LucasArts adventures, and several others.

[Zoltor]

RPG's are only good on PC's.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Wizardry 5(SNES) says hi, as does Willow, and atleast half adozen other RPGs.

[jcalder8]

Hurray for opinions!

[Flack]

I actually agree with the OP, and try to face west when playing games.

[FxMercenary]

Let me explain to you real quick on the #1 reason you are wrong. Go load up Counter-Strike or Battlefield 2, then see how long it is before you exit the game because of some hacking retard with an aim-bot or some other program that pisses you off.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/fxmercenary/1264306402220.jpg

[darkslime]

heh, you guys PLAY your video games??? video games are for children. the only way to truly enjoy a game is to keep it sealed so it retains max valueFully agreed. As an self proclaimed EXPERT game collector if I say so myself, I do know that if a game is not factory Y fold sealed it loses 98.5% of its value, and if it is not in a temperature controlled environment it loses 103% of its value. I just use sit in my game room and fap to all of the beautiful cover arts and spines perfectly wrapped in fine shrink.

[tubeway]

Fully agreed. As an self proclaimed EXPERT game collector if I say so myself, I do know that if a game is not factory Y fold sealed it loses 98.5% of its value, and if it is not in a temperature controlled environment it loses 103% of its value. I just use sit in my game room and fap to all of the beautiful cover arts and spines perfectly wrapped in fine shrink.

Pascal? PASCAL! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH DARKSLIME?!

NOOOOOOO! *sob*

[98PaceCar]

I disagree completely. I enjoyed both Gun on the 360 and Red Dead Revolver on the original Xbox, so clearly western games can be well done on consoles.

[kupomogli]

If you look at the PS3 and 360 games. Most of the exclusive first party titles are from non japanese developers.

[pseudonym]

After his other thread (the prototype one), I'm surprised some people are still taking him seriously.

[Arkhan]

Wizardry 5(SNES) says hi, as does Willow, and atleast half adozen other RPGs.

well, in OPs defense Wizardry 5 originated on PC...and Wizardry/M&M/Ultima for the most part is better on PC w/ the whole keyboard scheme....

that doesn't really change the fact that the SNES one is jawesome. the NES ones too.

though, Most modern RPGs for PC have gone by the wayside (M&M 9? Ultima Ascension? LOOOL). When was the last time a good first person RPG for the PC came out? Dont say oblivion. That isn't even close to being a great RPG.

console RPGs have held it together wayyyyy better.

also, this topic in general is lame.

[bombman]

After his other thread (the prototype one), I'm surprised some people are still taking him seriously.

baawwww

[diskoboy]

LOL

I was being sarcastic.. But while were on the subject:

I do like playing RPG's in a PC gaming environment. Without a doubt, there are awesome console RPG's (hello... Phantasy Star?). I just like playing them more on a PC than I do a console - they feel more 'streamlined' on a PC...

[Ed Oscuro]

I think Modern Warfare 2 is pretty much the only thing that needs be mentioned (since everybody else mentioned everything else already).

Better graphics!

But worser multiplayer! OH NOES!

[Arkhan]

LOL

I was being sarcastic.. But while were on the subject:

I do like playing RPG's in a PC gaming environment. Without a doubt, there are awesome console RPG's (hello... Phantasy Star?). I just like playing them more on a PC than I do a console - they feel more 'streamlined' on a PC...

well, the PC RPGs are a different style entirely.

If you're really RPG gung-ho, you do both and don't hate on either of them :)

[Zoltor]

well, in OPs defense Wizardry 5 originated on PC...and Wizardry/M&M/Ultima for the most part is better on PC w/ the whole keyboard scheme....

that doesn't really change the fact that the SNES one is jawesome. the NES ones too.

though, Most modern RPGs for PC have gone by the wayside (M&M 9? Ultima Ascension? LOOOL). When was the last time a good first person RPG for the PC came out? Dont say oblivion. That isn't even close to being a great RPG.

console RPGs have held it together wayyyyy better.

also, this topic in general is lame.

Yea I know lol, I can't even remember when the last time a good RPG came out on the PC either(back in the old days, they use to get tons, not now though), and lol omfg, why the hell would I say Oblivion, that barely hits the ok mark, let alone the good mark(and It's a million miles away from being great), sigh what a let down that game was.

[Arkhan]

They should have kept it more Morrowind style, which was alot better.

The whole "have to aim" while attacking thing really sucked. It was like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, only it blew.

[Zoltor]

They should have kept it more Morrowind style, which was alot better.

The whole "have to aim" while attacking thing really sucked. It was like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, only it blew.

Actually, nothing was wrong with the style(aka diablo clone), the problem was, they created almost no content, yet the map was insanely big= epic fair.

[kupomogli]

What? The Elder Scroll games aren't anything like Diablo.

[Zoltor]

What? The Elder Scroll games aren't anything like Diablo.

Did you even play that crappy Elder scrolls: Oblivion game, It's so a wannabe diablo game, the differance is, it sucks, and there is almost no content in the game(who creates this type of game, but makes almost no equipment lol).

[Famidrive-16]

And Japanese games are only good on console. Weird huh.


touhou

[Raedon]

I think Koreans would agree that RTS games should only be played on PC.

[Arkhan]

I fail to see how a first person hack/slash RPG is a ripoff of an isometric dungeon crawler.

[Hari Seldon]

Did you even play that crappy Elder scrolls: Oblivion game, It's so a wannabe diablo game, the differance is, it sucks, and there is almost no content in the game(who creates this type of game, but makes almost no equipment lol).

What?

[Arkhan]

all I know is, Zoltors professed RPG reputation is severely at stake at the moment.

[Zoltor]

all I know is, Zoltors professed RPG reputation is severely at stake at the moment.

The "only" differance in style is the POS is is 3D, Diablo is 2D, they belong to the exact same genre, the issue here is execution(Diablo was done perfectly, where Oblivion couldn't have been any worse even if they tried).

[ryborg]

Q: Is this what all threads in the Modern Gaming section look like? Because this is bad.

[Pezcore343]

The "only" differance in style is the POS is is 3D, Diablo is 2D, they belong to the exact same genre, the issue here is execution(Diablo was done perfectly, where Oblivion couldn't have been any worse even if they tried).

I'll ignore the fact for now that Oblivion won tons of awards and is in my opinion an excellent RPG, opinions are fine. Oblibion and Diablo are NOTHING alike however. Where Diablo is a multiplayer isometric dungeon crawling loot hunt, Oblivion is a 3D first (or third) person single player RPG. They share almost zero similarities.

[Mimi Nakamura]

And Japanese games are only good on console. Weird huh.

The 360 is not an exception because most of the good games either have a superior version on the PC, or are Japanese.

Console vs PC argument go.

I think Japanese PC games are different from Western PC games.

We tend to have a lot of 2D Shooting games that get released for the PC here, in the West I see mostly First Person Shooters, wizard-based RPGs (Lord Of The Rings style), or simulation games.

I think there's a difference in Western / Japanese games in general, I think Japanese games are more accessible, there's no need to read a manual to get started, but there is usually a lot of focus on the depth of the gameplay. Western games seem to focus on large environments / playing areas, realism, and story. I know someone will mention Metal Gear Solid 4 as being a game with a focus on story, but I am speaking generally and that game is an exception. The Metal Gear Solid series isn't as popular in Japan as some people may think either, far too much story / cut-scenes and not enough gameplay for most people!

I like both styles, it's nice to have the option of both! Around 50% of games released for the PS3 in Japan seem to be Western-produced, so it's a new experience for a lot of gamers over here. FPS were never popular in Japan until the PS3 was released.

[Berserker]

You know, if all trolls announced their presence and intentions this blatantly, our job here would be a lot easier.

Thanks for the heads up, bombman!

[Pezcore343]

You know, if all trolls announced their presence and intentions this blatantly, our job here would be a lot easier.

Thanks for the heads up, bombman!

Full of Win

[tom]

There were many good Japanese RPGs on Japan PCs, eg NEC, MSX, Sharp, Fujitsu etc...

[kupomogli]

Did you even play that crappy Elder scrolls: Oblivion game, It's so a wannabe diablo game, the differance is, it sucks, and there is almost no content in the game(who creates this type of game, but makes almost no equipment lol).

I'll agree that Oblivion sucks, but saying it's a Diablo 2 clone is just false when there are zero gameplay similarities. Well, wait. You equip weapons and armor but also have people to talk to and take on quests. OMG DIABLO CLONE!

Also. Regardless about the fact that they're absolutely nothing alike. Since when is a game that is based on a game released in 1994(Elder Scrolls Arena) a ripoff of a game released in 2000(Diablo 2.) The original Diablo was only released in 1996 as well.

--

Anyways. I only listed that Western games were only good on console. There are Japanese games that are good on PC.

First off. My favorite Japanese PC game. Gurumin. Don't let the cute look fool you. This game is amazing. If it wasn't later ported to the PSP and released to the US, I never would have known about it.

http://www.yxbar.net/Article/UploadPic/2005-12/20051212152147290.jpg

Almost every Ys game is also on the PC. Also Zwei 2 and Xanadu Next(two games I'd love to see get ported over to a console and localized so I wouldn't have to play them on PC.)

Xanadu Next is probably my most wanted Falcom game. But since it's not on console and it's an older PC game I doubt it would ever get a port. There's an NGage version, but it looks like crap and I doubt even plays like the same game. Port Xanadu Next to the PSP and localize for the US please Falcom.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I think Nostradamus predicted this would be the case. His quatrain writting fell off substantially after that though, think he got sidetracked playing WoW remotely from the past through his scrying bowl.

[pseudonym]

Did you even play that crappy Elder scrolls: Oblivion game, It's so a wannabe diablo game, the differance is, it sucks, and there is almost no content in the game(who creates this type of game, but makes almost no equipment lol).

:rolleyes::rolleyes: / 5 -- would read again A+++++

[Arkhan]

There were many good Japanese RPGs on Japan PCs, eg NEC, MSX, Sharp, Fujitsu etc...

and what is funny is that they all have a distinct "console" flair that were used to.

I.e: Dragon Quest, Dragon slayer, Xak, Ys......!



and, i still dont see how a fully interactive, albeit empty game (Oblivion), shares any similarity with Diablo?

Diablo has a dark/creepy town, dungeons. 3 character choices, and basically a giant loothunt with quests.

Unless all you did in Oblivion was run around in 3rd person mode, killing everything in sight and looting it, I fail to see the resemblance.

[bombman]

and what is funny is that they all have a distinct "console" flair that were used to.

I.e: Dragon Quest, Dragon slayer, Xak, Ys......!

I said "good" games.

[p_b]

I like the cherry right next to the fifth "banface".

It's like they're angry that they can't eat it.

[Arkhan]

I said "good" games.

since I know he still reads this.

Saying Dragon Quest, Xak and Ys aren't good games is quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever heard in my life.

Ill bet money bombman hasn't even played Xak, got killed by a blue slime in DQ, and got lost trying to get equipment in Ys.

[ryborg]

why are we still bumping this worthless thread?

[Arkhan]

dunno. someone bumped it and i saw something funny

[Sniderman]

There are lots of good western games on consoles! I enjoy Gun, Red Dead Revolver, and Darkwatch particularly.

What?

[Arkhan]

LOL.

Gun was such a funny game.

GTA meets Bonanza. I had alot of fun terrorising dodge.

[nebrazca78]

huh, it's always weird to stumble upon stuff written about you behind your back. yeah, i told him i'd send it to him on tuesday.

Considering how often you post on this board it was kind of right in front of your face, which was half the reason I posted it here.


So in the end, PC gaming hasn't died - it's actually more alive than ever, and it's just shifted to a different platform and inferior control scheme.

I don't know, some people prefer using console controllers over keyboard and mouse. The lack of decent controllers in the past is the main reason I rarely played PC games.

[Robocop2]

I like the cherry right next to the fifth "banface".

It's like they're angry that they can't eat it.

Fantastic! I never noticed that before

[calthaer]

I am disappointed that there's something of an actual conversation happening about western / Japanese / PC / console games; I was going to be in before lock.

I used to say PC = über alles, but lately the PC has little to recommend itself, over and above a console. The indie and flash games scenes are decent, but I'm not quite sure they've produced anything I'd consider genius-level yet - especially something that is PC exclusive and can't also be found on one of the major consoles (usually before it comes to PC).