I hate Blizzard, any one hear of recent D3 info or still no word?

[Zoltor]

Really Blizzard as a company sucks, and WoW is the biggest POS MMO I have ever played(not to mention the BS of having to pay for a sub, yet they still force you to buy the game, and expansions).

Well I think we can all agree, that the only worth while games developed by this company, is the Diablo games, but It has taken way too long(one to three people could've made such a game by them selves in a basement by now), with no update info of any kind(well over a year now since the last anyone heard anything from Blizzard).

Is it canceled or something, has anyoue found any recent info, because I'm pretty much ready to give up hope for this game? I'm getting tired of waiting, so looks like I'll just stick to RO for PC, and consol gaming in general.

PS. Is it me or is PC gaming in general has gone down alot lately(due to multiple reasons of course)?

[Borman]

Screenshots just came out over this past weekend I think.

[Zoltor]

Screenshots just came out over this past weekend I think.

Oh really, I guess I'll hop over to the Diablo fan forums to check them out, but still, a year with no word, we kind've need more then new screenshots.

[Bojay1997]

Really Blizzard as a company sucks, and WoW is the biggest POS MMO I have ever played(not to mention the BS of having to pay for a sub, yet they still force you to buy the game, and expansions).

Well I think we can all agree, that the only worth while games developed by this company, is the Diablo games, but It has taken way too long(one to three people could've made such a game by them selves in a basement by now), with no update info of any kind(well over a year now since the last anyone heard anything from Blizzard).

Is it canceled or something, has anyoue found any recent info, because I'm pretty much ready to give up hope for this game? I'm getting tired of waiting, so looks like I'll just stick to RO for PC, and consol gaming in general.

PS. Is it me or is PC gaming in general has gone down alot lately(due to multiple reasons of course)?

Millions of people would strongly disagree with you. Blizzard has several great franchises including Warcraft and Starcraft. It takes them a long while to actually get to release, but I have never been disappointed with the end products.

[swlovinist]

Really Blizzard as a company sucks, and WoW is the biggest POS MMO I have ever played(not to mention the BS of having to pay for a sub, yet they still force you to buy the game, and expansions).

Well I think we can all agree, that the only worth while games developed by this company, is the Diablo games, but It has taken way too long(one to three people could've made such a game by them selves in a basement by now), with no update info of any kind(well over a year now since the last anyone heard anything from Blizzard).

Is it canceled or something, has anyoue found any recent info, because I'm pretty much ready to give up hope for this game? I'm getting tired of waiting, so looks like I'll just stick to RO for PC, and consol gaming in general.

PS. Is it me or is PC gaming in general has gone down alot lately(due to multiple reasons of course)?

I am not a big MMO fan, but Blizzard is a quality company that has made stellar releases much more than Diablo. A little game called Starcraft would like to have a word with you. Unlike other companies that like to make sequel after sequel, Blizzard usually releases a game when it is ready.

If anything, Blizzard is what is going RIGHT with PC games.

[mezrabad]

I'm not a WOW fan, but only because I wouldn't have the time to play it. Blizzard, as a company, allowed me to download a Mac compatible copy of Starcraft with the activation code I got with the game about 8 years ago when I bought it for the PC. Ditto for Diablo 2 (though I probably only bought that about 7 years ago...) So, any company still making money for themselves and choosing to provide a free updated version of a game I bought 8 years ago for a different platform is just fine and dandy in my book.

So, you think they suck as a company because they're spending time working on a game instead of spending time providing fans with information on it even though those same fans can't wait to buy it whether information is forthcoming or not? I'd say that sounds conflicted, but I can't blame you. I wish they'd hurry up and make it perfect, get it done and let me buy it the day before yesterday. However, I also wish to be the king of all the cosmos and to wear a shiny hat.

I think we all can agree that we'll always be a long way off from all agreeing to something other than agreeing completely that a complete agreement is a long way off.

[monkeychemist]

Screenshots just came out over this past weekend I think.

hahaha, that was classic...He makes a retarded rant about blizzard sucking, when in reality, he was not keeping up with it himself hahhahahahaha.

Blizzard rules! I've enjoyed Warcrafts, Starcrafts and Diablos. I don't play MMOs but my brothers were sure hooked on WOW. I think that sums up that Blizzard makes good games. I've never had to pay for any more than the game itself too sucka

[pseudonym]

Nice try, Zoltor. I haven't been disappointed with any Blizzard game that I've played so far. I've been on and off on WoW for the past year or so, that'll tide me over until D3 or SC2 are released.

[shopkins]

I love the confidence involved in saying something asinine that no one will agree with, but prefacing it with "I think we can all agree." You keep shining on, you crazy diamond.

[udisi]

Well... Blizzard always takes years to develop and release their games. They are almost always worth the wait though. nothing half assed. As for the WoW rant. All MMO's pretty much have you pay a sub fee in addition to buying the game and whatever expansions. The monthly fee is needed for server maintenance and the development of and maintenance of game features.

nothing really any different than most developers

[esquire]

If anything, Blizzard is what is going RIGHT with PC games.

Well, that may have been true prior to Activision taking them over.

Last I checked, eliminating LAN play and requiring an internet connection to play, even in single player, IS NOT what is right with PC games.

Between these latest revelations for Diablo III and Starcraft II, IW's failure that is IW.net, Games for Windows requirements for GTA IV and others, the DRM fiascos, licensing vs. ownership issues and now Ubisoft's required network, there is not much at all that is RIGHT for PC gaming. It is like they are intentionally blowing it up to spite their loyal customers, turning them into pirates and hackers.

[Flashback2012]

Really Blizzard as a company sucks, and WoW is the biggest POS MMO I have ever played(not to mention the BS of having to pay for a sub, yet they still force you to buy the game, and expansions).

Jesus Christ...what is in the water where you live? Seriously.

I'm rather glad you didn't like WoW, there's enough dumb arses in the game as it is. As for the whole software/expansion/subscription thing...how's that any different from Xbox Live? You have to buy the game and any expansion content (whether it's on disc or as DLC) and you have to have a sub to Xbox Live to get online with the game and play against other real people. Let's also remember that Blizzard is hardly the only company who adheres to the model you detest, there's hundreds and hundreds of companies who use that business model including Sony (Everquest, EQ2, Vanguard), EA (Ultima, DAoC, Warhammer), Eidos (Age of Conan), and good ole' Square-Enix (FFXI and upcoming FFXIV).


Well I think we can all agree, that the only worth while games developed by this company, is the Diablo games, but It has taken way too long(one to three people could've made such a game by them selves in a basement by now), with no update info of any kind(well over a year now since the last anyone heard anything from Blizzard).

Yeah, there HAS to be something in your water supply. I'd hazard to guess there's a taint in your meat products and some harmful odorless gases in the air you're breathing to boot.

If I understand the definition of "we" correctly, that includes me in your agreement about Blizzard's worthwhile games. I'm happy to say that NO, I do not agree with your poor assessment of their game line up. I thoroughly enjoyed almost all of the Warcraft releases, StarCraft, and some of their console games like Blackthorne. The Diablo series is a fine one for sure, I've lost many, MANY hours to the first one alone but that series is HARDLY the ONLY worthwhile series they've produced so PLEASE stop talking out of your arse and refrain from having the audacity to include the rest of us in your errant conclusions.

As for how Blizzard develops, it's long been the practice of "When It's Done" with them. Also, it has NOT been over a year since any information has been released. Did you not hear about the stuff that came out of Blizzcon in August 2009 (which is less than a year ago according to my Gregorian calendar)?


Is it canceled or something, has anyoue found any recent info, because I'm pretty much ready to give up hope for this game? I'm getting tired of waiting, so looks like I'll just stick to RO for PC, and consol gaming in general.

PS. Is it me or is PC gaming in general has gone down alot lately(due to multiple reasons of course)?

Let Me Put You Right At The Feet Of Where You Need To Be For Diablo III Info (http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/?rhtml=y)

Lastly, RO for PC? I'm assuming that's Ragnarok Online. Things are starting to make a little bit more sense now. :drinking:

[gum_drops]

Thats blizzard, they always take their ever loving time, nothing new there. I am a huge Diablo fan but I am not going to get all hyped up about a game that isn't going to be released anytime soon. The more screenshots and info I look up the more annoyed I will get at delays and timetables so I find it best to just completely ignore it until the game goes gold. Sounds like you may want to take the same approach. Its been 9+ years since D2, whats a few more.

[Zoltor]

Jesus Christ...what is in the water where you live? Seriously.

I'm rather glad you didn't like WoW, there's enough dumb arses in the game as it is. As for the whole software/expansion/subscription thing...how's that any different from Xbox Live? You have to buy the game and any expansion content (whether it's on disc or as DLC) and you have to have a sub to Xbox Live to get online with the game and play against other real people. Let's also remember that Blizzard is hardly the only company who adheres to the model you detest, there's hundreds and hundreds of companies who use that business model including Sony (Everquest, EQ2, Vanguard), EA (Ultima, DAoC, Warhammer), Eidos (Age of Conan), and good ole' Square-Enix (FFXI and upcoming FFXIV).



Yeah, there HAS to be something in your water supply. I'd hazard to guess there's a taint in your meat products and some harmful odorless gases in the air you're breathing to boot.

If I understand the definition of "we" correctly, that includes me in your agreement about Blizzard's worthwhile games. I'm happy to say that NO, I do not agree with your poor assessment of their game line up. I thoroughly enjoyed almost all of the Warcraft releases, StarCraft, and some of their console games like Blackthorne. The Diablo series is a fine one for sure, I've lost many, MANY hours to the first one alone but that series is HARDLY the ONLY worthwhile series they've produced so PLEASE stop talking out of your arse and refrain from having the audacity to include the rest of us in your errant conclusions.

As for how Blizzard develops, it's long been the practice of "When It's Done" with them. Also, it has NOT been over a year since any information has been released. Did you not hear about the stuff that came out of Blizzcon in August 2009 (which is less than a year ago according to my Gregorian calendar)?



Let Me Put You Right At The Feet Of Where You Need To Be For Diablo III Info (http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/?rhtml=y)

Lastly, RO for PC? I'm assuming that's Ragnarok Online. Things are starting to make a little bit more sense now. :drinking:

Anyone who claims Wow is even a ok MMO, let alone the good you claim it to be, clearly hasn't played any good MMOs.

Ah ok, this is gonna be fun, so lets explore that BS that Blizzard Isn't the only ones doing this shall we. EQ/EQ2 lol, is owned by SOE, which is well known to be the overall worse/most corrupt company in the gaming industry, not to mention every last one of the people working with that company are morons. Also lol FF 11(made by another well known evil company is crap, there are so many really bad MMOs out, what a pity).

What I have noticed, that for the most part, only the crappiest MMOs have such a BS setup, as the game(s) are so subpar to the point, that they can't depend on people to stay for more then a month, let alone the 4+ months they would need people to stay, so they force people to pay a huge amount upfront(60-150$).

Now shifting over to game design(not payment model, although, turbine did away with that bad, need to buy game BS, yet pay monthly as well) If you want to play a D&D stlye MMO, play D&D Online, the systems were atleast executed correctly. Then there's the fact that DDO actually has quests for the quest driven game(omg, can you believe it), most of which are pretty unique, and require to be done on unique maps/dungeons, where as in Wow, the quests are generic as hell(lol, that's the repeating theme of Wow sadly, everything from monsters, drops, caves, hell maps in general to Quests, and basically everything else are so generic, It's not funny). Lol, Then there's the worst map system I have ever seen in any game, combined with crappy town/field layouts(can anyone ever find anything when they need to, without spending 30ish min blindly lookinf for it).

Oh yea, lets not forget the dumbest PvP system to ever be created, you can't do anything in the game without being harrassed a million times a min by duel popup requests, which is the most annoying system in the world, It's amazing anyone even puts up with that BS. Yes terrible Map system, even worse PvP system, and extreamly boring quests in a "quest" driven game alone= bad game, then add in the fact everything is generic, and the execution of most of the systems were done poorly at best, you'll see why I don't like WoW lol.

I have a saying, there is nothing wow about WoW

Note: Also you are crazy to use XBOX live as an example for the payment model. First It's a consol, 2nd all the games are very playable offline(MMOs aren't lol, there's a big differance between a MMO and a single player game with a online multy player option, plus for good measure, the sub for XBOXLive also allows you to play any game, so no It's not the same.

Yes it sure does make sense, because unlike most the people who play WoW, and like it, I've actually have played good MMOs, so I won't be swayed by a POS MMO. Also just so you know, I'm not saying RO is the "only" good mmo out there, there's atleast a handful of very good MMOs, just that WoW doesn't even come close to being one.

Let's see there's RO, Atlatica Online, and Air Rivals(however Air Rivals is a cross breed, MMORPG/shooter, so it may not appeal to all mmo supporters) are all great, Zero Online is pretty damn good as well(and ofcourse DDO for those who like the D&D Style/Quest driven play).

You see, when your competition doesn't barely advertise(and most certainly don't spend money for commercials on TV or no noticeable amount of TV time), It's easy to sell **** to suckers that don't know any better.

PS. http://www.diablofans.com/ is great, and works just fine, the info is always updated as it come in on the Blizzard site, not to mention the forums don't require some dumb battlenet account(which mand I haven't playey Diablo 2 since 2002, the duping started getting way out of hand, and Blizzard didn't feel like fixing it), so it was time to move on(lucky fior me since RO went live shortly after I stopped playing D2).

[monkeychemist]

just because you don't like WoW doesn't mean the whole company and their lineup sucks. Seriously, relax, you obviously didn't do your research and you sound like a fool haha

[lagartija_nick]

Although I never was a particular fan of Blizzard's games, back in the day (I have not really kept up on them recently) I was a big admirer of their practices.

I was amazed that a company could put out so little product and still be such a huge company. (Maybe only Valve was similar in this respect)

Back when I worked at electronics retail, a Blizzard release was quite an event. People would come in and buy 13 copies a piece of the most recent game (this was back when lan gaming was huge, probably would never happen again)


To bash Blizzard for slow output is probably counterproductive. Most companies are willing to ship a half assed game and then throw a patch at it later. Some don't even consider a patch.

Blizzard is rather unique because they pretty much survive on their standards of quality. They don't have to throw something out every year just to try to make a buck.

Even if you are not a fan of Blizzards games, their approach regarding releases is something as gamers we should be thankful for.

Plus Blizzard games seem to live forever. How many people are still playing Starcraft after all this time?

The success of Wow just seems to justify Blizzard's actions.

If Blizzard threw out a game year after year just to shut people up and try to make a fast buck, I can assure you they would not be the company they are today. You don't build a loyal fanbase by being mediocre.

[portnoyd]

If you want to play a D&D stlye MMO, play D&D Online

Holy shit, opinion invalidated. You are saying play DDO, a game that took 3 YEARS to release and reach the level cap that's in the pen and paper game, is doing a better job than WoW? While DDO isn't a bad game, they made major missteps before coming to the point they are now. I played when it launched and then 2 years later.

Now to WoW. I'll excise your complaints from your troll rants. You desperately need to stop calling everything "evil" because that makes you like a complete baby. Is any company to you a "good" company? And can you stop saying "crappiest", "BS", "POS" and "dumbest"? It makes you look like you are 14 years old.

The basic gist is every problem you have has an option around it or you're just exaggerating to make a point.

Pay to Play: You have a problem with paying a monthly subscription.

Your answer is to play DDO, RO, Atlantica Online and Air Rivals, all free to play games. However, all of these games are micropayment systems. They are not free - you want the full experience, you pay. Welcome to reality.

Poor mapping system, poor layouts: You have a problem with the design of the game in that regard.

Mods. Seriously, WoW took all your bitching, all your complaining and let other people fix it for you. Genius. Anything you could possibly want is fixed with a mod. Poor map? Get Cartographer? Can't read a quest description and need your hand held (which is what it sounds like)? Quest Helper. Blizzard made the best decision they could by giving out part of the game code so developers can fix and add to the game.

PvP: Someone doesn't like duel messages and PvP

Play on a PvE server. And if you played the game for more than a day, you'd realize that those who want to duel messages only pop up frequently in the starting areas where the true noobs make their eleventh level 11 toon. You tipped your hand by saying that, which shows you started playing, felt the need to "stick it to the man" and quit before coming close to experiencing the game.

Quests: You don't like the style of WoW quests.

Making a comparison to DDO is unfair. DDO was designed to give the tabletop experience without the tabletop. The narrator and instanced quest zones all give way to that. Otherwise, pretty much every other MMO has disposable quests. Fact of life, deal with it.

Basically, your argument is "BS" and you could be the "crappiest" "dumbest" troll to grace these boards in quite some time.

[Lady Jaye]

I second the service offered by Blizzard -- my Mac died recently and I got a netbook. Because of the battle.net service, I was able to enter my activation key and download Diablo II and its expansion onto my netbook without needing to install it first on another pc and transfer it with my USB stick.

Incidentally, D3 will probably come out in 2011 (this is just speculation though), since there's already a WoW expansion and Starcraft II that are supposed to come out this year.

I'm not into RTS and MMOs, but doesn't mean that Blizzard's output is outright crap. And I'd much rather see them go the "It'll come out when it's ready" route than have them rush the product out with major bugs.

[BetaWolf47]

This thread is harsh on Blizzard. If anything, they've been very consistent in releasing quality titles over the years. I don't get why the OP is hating Blizzard based on his criteria... Ragnarok Online costs money if you play legally too.

[Oobgarm]

Basically, your argument is "BS" and you could be the "crappiest" "dumbest" troll to grace these boards in quite some time.

/me begins slow clap

[garagesaleking!!]

Warcraft III and the Frozen Throne are probably my favorite computer games of all time...

[Zoltor]

Holy shit, opinion invalidated. You are saying play DDO, a game that took 3 YEARS to release and reach the level cap that's in the pen and paper game, is doing a better job than WoW? While DDO isn't a bad game, they made major missteps before coming to the point they are now. I played when it launched and then 2 years later.

Now to WoW. I'll excise your complaints from your troll rants. You desperately need to stop calling everything "evil" because that makes you like a complete baby. Is any company to you a "good" company? And can you stop saying "crappiest", "BS", "POS" and "dumbest"? It makes you look like you are 14 years old.

The basic gist is every problem you have has an option around it or you're just exaggerating to make a point.

Pay to Play: You have a problem with paying a monthly subscription.

Your answer is to play DDO, RO, Atlantica Online and Air Rivals, all free to play games. However, all of these games are micropayment systems. They are not free - you want the full experience, you pay. Welcome to reality.

Poor mapping system, poor layouts: You have a problem with the design of the game in that regard.

Mods. Seriously, WoW took all your bitching, all your complaining and let other people fix it for you. Genius. Anything you could possibly want is fixed with a mod. Poor map? Get Cartographer? Can't read a quest description and need your hand held (which is what it sounds like)? Quest Helper. Blizzard made the best decision they could by giving out part of the game code so developers can fix and add to the game.

PvP: Someone doesn't like duel messages and PvP

Play on a PvE server. And if you played the game for more than a day, you'd realize that those who want to duel messages only pop up frequently in the starting areas where the true noobs make their eleventh level 11 toon. You tipped your hand by saying that, which shows you started playing, felt the need to "stick it to the man" and quit before coming close to experiencing the game.

Quests: You don't like the style of WoW quests.

Making a comparison to DDO is unfair. DDO was designed to give the tabletop experience without the tabletop. The narrator and instanced quest zones all give way to that. Otherwise, pretty much every other MMO has disposable quests. Fact of life, deal with it.

Basically, your argument is "BS" and you could be the "crappiest" "dumbest" troll to grace these boards in quite some time.


No I don't think ever company is evil, but if you don't think Square, and Sony/SOE are pure evil, you need to open your eyes + Blizzard is being nothing less then insanely greedy(and that's being generous).

Lol you fool, learn how to read, I actually like paying for a sub, infact even with the intro of the Free Valk server, I still pay my RO sub(didn't move to Valk),and I said my problem was companies making you not only buy the game/every expansion, but also need to pay a sub every month(the only reason"only" reason for a company to do that, is if they know themselves, that their game is subpar to begin with, therefor they force people to spend a ton of money upfront, so if people decide it sucks, the company would still be making more then enough money to pay the developement costs.

Actually have you played the new DDO, their microtransaction system is hands down the best implimentation of such a system, I have ever seen, It's amazing how perfectly they switched over to the new method(makes you wonder how far back have they been working out the details). Some of their prices are alittle high, but if you nociced, they kind've realized that, so each day a certain type of item goes on sale. Unless you are lv 18 or higher, you really don't need to buy anything from the shop, if you don't want, but some of the more fun/rewarding quests are there if you want to pick them up(all the items in the shop are like that, they are either convieniance items or additional quests/other such perm additions, that for the most part, you can live without(the only issue of any kind, is the conversion from money to points, It's not a big deal, but it makes no sense why they wouldn't adopt the traditional 1$=100 points conversion rate, but whatever lol).

We'll skip Air Rivals(as it doesn't help either one of our arguements on this sub debate, there's no payment method of any kind, and like I already said, I have nothing against paying to play anyway(since their shop sucks to such an extent, that the game can really be counted as free).

Atlantica Online, while for the most part all you need is a few merc rooms, due to the rare item offers(special mounts, and Wing boxes) kind of make it feel you need) to buy them, even more so since you have no idea when an Admin is gonna pull them from the store, and seeing how the boxes are randomized, they are well over priced(they should be only 5$ each, not the whopping 10$ they are), however Like I said, I have no problem paying for a game, infact I have spent a bunch on those boxes myself, unfortuneately with no rare draw, however I did pull a Armoured Rapter Mount from one, which needless to say is amazing(lol, and since I pulled it out while trying to get Wings, not even a Mount, It's actually worth a great deal more then any pair of wings even though It's not rare, as It's regarded as the best/most desireable non rare mount in the game). You see, if you aren't paying monthly, It's fairly easy to warrant spending money in the shop ever so ofter, however either subscription or microtransaction, as I said, I have no problem paying to play.

I played for a week(I was higher then lv 11 by around double, yet still getting duel requests every 10 min atleast), more then enough time to see the worst implimentation of a skill system, generic quests that need to be repeated/carbon copies of one another, really bad map designs, which I was surprised at how bad they were, especially since how amazing the diablo games were in that respect, a map system that is pretty damned useless(again surprised, since we all know Blizzard knows how to make a good mapping system), monsters that are dull(they might as well all have the same name, It's that bad), exc, exc, exc.

Granted most MMOs don't have "very" defined monsters, but I have never before seen a game, which It's as bad as it is in WoW.

Wow Style Quests, what style lol, there is no style, that's the problem(hm, kill this generic monster, to get it to drop Its generic crap, bring items to NPC, or talk to NPC at location X for whatever reason, oh yea, that's fun, especially when the map sysyem is completely useless, rinse,wash,repeat. yea yea there's technically other types of quest, but they just vary from these standard quest slightly in one way or another.

Actually I like PvP(infact I love WOE in RO and PvP in Diablo 2, among a bunch of other games. you know what all such games have in common? A assigned area where PvP takes place. Hell even if you're gonna allow players to basically fight anywhere, make it so a player has to sign up for PvP, the spam requests system does nothing but annoy the hell out of people who are in the middle of doing stuff).

[Zoltor]

I second the service offered by Blizzard -- my Mac died recently and I got a netbook. Because of the battle.net service, I was able to enter my activation key and download Diablo II and its expansion onto my netbook without needing to install it first on another pc and transfer it with my USB stick.

Incidentally, D3 will probably come out in 2011 (this is just speculation though), since there's already a WoW expansion and Starcraft II that are supposed to come out this year.

I'm not into RTS and MMOs, but doesn't mean that Blizzard's output is outright crap. And I'd much rather see them go the "It'll come out when it's ready" route than have them rush the product out with major bugs.

Yea that's all fine, and good, but after making a huge announcement, followed by around a dozen other huge announcements(which implies at the very least It's somewhere far along in its developement, as does offering demos of all things lol), you can't just basically stop all discussion about it, you need to update people on some kind of progress or we may as well just assume they canceled the project(It's not the first time a company did this short of thing in the industry, make a big announcement, yea It's coming along, bla, bla, bla, and then cancel out of nowhere).

[portnoyd]

I played for a week(I was higher then lv 11 by around double, yet still getting duel requests every 10 min atleast), more then enough time to see the worst

So you were no level higher than 20 and you're saying WoW sucks? That's ridiculous to say it sucks when you hadn't even gotten a damned mount.

At this point, you're just hating to hate. All your arguments single out WoW, when the same can be said about many other MMOs out there (quests, map system, PvP) and with that, WoW at least offers the player the modding community to circumvent potential grievances.


you can't just basically stop all discussion about it, you need to update people on some kind of progress or we may as well just assume they canceled the project(It's not the first time a company did this short of thing in the industry, make a big announcement, yea It's coming along, bla, bla, bla, and then cancel out of nowhere).

Your perspective seems incredibly juvenile. You act like the companies owe you something when they release information or make an announcement, or when they don't.

[pseudonym]

So why is Blizzard insanely greedy again? Because they make you pay to use their servers and content? Oh noes! I think portnoyd hit all your other points, I'm still wondering about this one though.

[monkeychemist]

Yea that's all fine, and good, but after making a huge announcement, followed by around a dozen other huge announcements(which implies at the very least It's somewhere far along in its developement, as does offering demos of all things lol), you can't just basically stop all discussion about it, you need to update people on some kind of progress or we may as well just assume they canceled the project(It's not the first time a company did this short of thing in the industry, make a big announcement, yea It's coming along, bla, bla, bla, and then cancel out of nowhere).

stop being so needy, you're like a really bad girlfriend. Just sit tight, enjoy your life and when it comes out, it comes out proper.

[ScourDX]

Blizzard is one of few company that actually support PC. Their game is based on quality and not some Duke Nukem forever BS. Sure they constantly delay their titles, but at the end everyone experience a complete product instead of half ass release buggy games that doesn't work.

[BetaWolf47]

Blizzard is one of few company that actually support PC.

And Mac, while we're at it. The fact that they've made all of their releases multiplatform is pretty impressive.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

And Mac, while we're at it. The fact that they've made all of their releases multiplatform is pretty impressive.

+1 on this. If it wasn't for Bilzzard supporting Mac, I wouldn't have played a PC game in over 6 years.

Also Blizzard continues to patch Diablo II and support it, even though it came out somewhere around 10 years ago.

A troll thread if I've ever read one, complete with uninformed rants and weak accusations to support a loud argumentative (wrong) point of view. If you're not involved with the Tea Party Protests, you should really reconsider- you make an excellent curmudgeon.

[carlcarlson]

Blizzard is one of two developers I trust almost completely (the other being Bethesda). I'm just going to throw out a few random words here.

Warcraft
Starcraft
Diablo

Good thread though.

[kupomogli]

I hate Blizzard

I hate Disgaea, but atleast I have a good reason. I've explained why many times. Little strategy, pure grind, no difference in character classes really(this is the short version.)

Anyways. The Diablo series and Warcraft series are really all I play from Blizzard. Both are great series. They also released a sort of action/puzzle game in a similar vein of Out of this World/Prince of Persia for the SNES called Blackthorne.

While I don't like World of Warcraft because I don't like MMO games, it's most likely a good game seeing as how many people seem to play the game religiously.

[Voliko]

I would much rather choose a better game over another rushed sequel. Blizzard wants to make this a quality title and they don't really care how long it will take. Patience.

[b0ub0u]

StarCraft is just the best RTS of all time. The only other RTS that ever came close in term of strategy is Company Of Heroes.

I follow pretty closely the competitive scene of StarCraft, specially in Korea... and trust me... that game is so deep, they keep coming up with new way of playing it even after 12 years. Go check any games from Jaedong, Bisu or Flash (the 3 top player these days), and be ready to be blown away. Some players have been clocked as high as 600 APM, this mean 600 action per minute. They know their stuff.. trust me.

I played every RTS since StarCraft, and most of them are ok but please... do not ever try to compare Command and Conquer and Starcraft LOL =)

So yes... Blizzard is a GREAT company... they are good at what they do... Diablo is a almost a perfect game if you like that type of game (I do not personally).

[heybtbm]

This thread is kind of like Diablo actually. One man against a horde of enemies. Eh?

>>crickets chirping<<

I'm sure there's a more eloquent way to phrase it though.

[Berserker]

Remember how it was before WoW, when Blizzard could do no wrong in the eyes of critics? Now they can do no right. The only thing this proves is that even a game company with the most sterling reputation is not safe from the MMO curse.

You're probably too young to remember this OP, but the public face of D2's development progressed in exactly the same way that you're complaining about right now - lengthy periods without updates or new info and so on. They work on the game, and when they're close to completing the game and actually have something substantial to show us, they show it. That's just the way Blizzard operates.

And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with that because, unlike other companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3d_realms), Blizzard actually delivers. Sure, they've had some bad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_Adventures:_Lord_of_the_Clans) luck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft:_Ghost) with offshoots, but when it comes to their major, flagship titles, they fucking deliver. So I'm more than happy to sit through silence if it means they're busy making kickass games. Which they are.

[lagartija_nick]

Remember Starcraft Ghost?

Blizzard could have gone ahead and just finished it and released it but they did not. They felt it was not good.

Yes they could have released it and cashed in on the Starcraft name, but if it was as bad as they say they would have disappointed fans who trust Blizzard.

Many companies would have cashed in on something such as Starcraft Ghost for the money in the short term, not really care that they knowingly released something substandard.

But Blizzard chose not too. And that is why Blizzard fans are loyal. They trust Blizzard. How many game companies do you trust to bring you a great game time after time? Not many I bet.