Zoltor, this ones for you! (hydlide)

[Arkhan]

It could have gone in the AVGN :-D

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/60959

but I think a Hydlide discussion deserves its own thread.

I don't see whats so bad about it to be honest! I spent a good couple of nights one summer playing the piss out of it in all of its quirky glory...

[Icarus Moonsight]

Ugg... Burn it with fire! Bad ju-ju!

To properly illustrate my distaste;

10minutes consecutive forced at gunpoint to play Hydlide < 10hrs consecutive forced at gunpoint to play FF7 < 1 month cursed with anal-menstruation

[Fuyukaze]

I have a deep, seething, burning, violent disgust for hydlide. It's right up there with draging a cheese grater across my man parts. Dear god, why must people remind anyone of this game? What's worse is we actualy got 3 of them! Of all the games we could have got on the NES, Genesis, and Saturn, we got these 3! Ok, never played the Saturn game I admit but so help me, this game series has got to be one of the worst on atleast 2 systems to ever make it to North America.


Sorry, felt the need to add my 2 cents to the mix reguardless how useless they were.

[pseudonym]

Sorry, Arkham, I can't agree with you. Hydlide is a piece of crap.

[Wraith Storm]

I always liked Hydlide on the NES. I used to rent it off and on when I was younger. I never really figured out what to do but I always enjoyed playing it regardless.

I never played the Genesis version, but I absolutely LOVED Virtual Hydlide on the Saturn. It was one of the first Saturn RPGs I had and I played it non stop until I got to the end of the game. It was actually pretty short clocking in at like 12 hours or something like that. Anyway, the end of the game was a boss rush of every boss you fought before and I couldn't beat it. :bad-words: I tried and tried again and ended up selling it. I think about it off and on, I need to buy it again and give it another shot.

[NerdXCrewWill]

I second the love for Virtual Hydlide. That game is wickedly fun. You just have to look past the fact that it regularly drops below 5 FPS. It reminds me a lot of the King's Field series but lacks the extreme difficulty of those games.

Hydlide isn't bad. I like to think of it as the precursor to later tackle-em-up RPGs like Ys. I can't really see anything wrong with it besides the possibly irritating soundtrack. You have to remember, though, it's one of the earliest games of it's kind. I fail to see how anyone can find Hylide 3/Super Hydlide a bad game. Maybe it's the weight system that annoys people. Otherwise it's not far behind the more acclaimed overhead action RPGs of its day.

[Flashback2012]

Super Hydlide on the Genesis is/was awesome. :D

I wanted to buy Phantasy Star II but EB didn't have it in stock for some reason and Super Hydlide had just come out that week so I picked it up. The controls took a little getting used to but it was a great time once I got the hang of it. ;)

[allyourblood]

I used to play Hydlide for hours on end with my cousin when we were kids. We loved it.

I picked up a used copy a couple of years back and tried it again. It was yet another game in a laundry list of NES titles that made me ask myself, "Why did I like this so much?". I don't think the game is bad per se, but playing so many games since its release that have improved upon the formula makes it difficult to go back and enjoy it.

[Graham Mitchell]

I really enjoyed hydlide when it released on the nes. I played through the whole thing. And I also loved virtual hydlide on the saturn when it came out. A lot of the bitching you hear about games like this tends to come from people that are too impatient to learn anything complex, and too easily frustrated with games that might require you to practice and learn an actual skill.

Remember y'all, hydlide was originally released on japanese pcs several years before ys and before zelda. In the u.s., zelda beat hydlide to the market by several months. You have to appreciate for what it is, in the context of when it was released.

The same goes for virtual hydlide. That game was developed using the original saturn development tools, which were horrible for 3d. That's why daytona was re-released when the newer development libraries came about. Given what the developers were dealing with from a hardware standpoint, it ain't half bad.

[kupomogli]

I also like Hydlide. Like someone mentioned above, Hydlide is similar the Ys games. I played the game before Ys and enjoyed its gameplay, later on playing Ys, a game that was far better.

Like I mentioned in the AVGN thread. I'm thinking James wouldn't like Ys either as the similarities the game holds to Hydlide. Infact, if there are so many people that dislike the game, I wonder if any of them would like Ys. If they do, how can you like one series that holds the exact same gameplay as another title yet bash on this title.

Sure Hydlide has its flaws, and it's not too great a game, but it's not like "OMFG, I'VE PLAYED HYDLIDE." I think it's another game that people bash because it's the popular thing to do.

[Arkhan]

shit, and everyones leaving out Hydlide 2: Shine of darkness. That game needed some kinda US Release. Its got good/evil (which appears in 3 as well), towns, talking, menus..... it adds in all the stuff Hydlide 1 forgot to put in, lol.

Hydlide 1 is by no means a gem. It's quirky, but still plays pretty fluidly. The manual explains most of its quirks. Like dying while walking.

The NES one is a bit different than the original. The music is different even. Its still repetitive as shit....but different!

I think alot of people forget to look at the year of its release and at how it kind of influenced a genre. It predates Ys by two years, and is clearly an influence and a half to the series.

hydlide 3 (Super Hydlide) has towns, talking, greaaaaat music (some of the best the Genesis ever got), a nice story line, interesting "realistic" night/day, weight allowance and good/evil monster system....

and plenty of action. It is a hidden gem on the genesis if I ever saw one. and you get to go into SPACE

[Icarus Moonsight]

I played (owned too) Ys on the SMS before NES Hydlide. So, I pretty much knew of better from the get-go.

[Aussie2B]

Hydlide 3/Super Hydlide is a genuinely good game. Ugly as sin and difficult to tell what the hell is going on when you start, but once you get past those hurdles, it offers an unusually deep and rich experience for its time. Virtual Hydlide, on the other hand, is undeniably a pile, if only for the fact that you have to have a stomach and/or head of steel to not feel sick within half an hour, but it's an endearing pile. You can't help but love that fat ass that looks like he has to be some friend of a programmer, especially when he's dressed in the absolutely ridiculous fairy armor. In our house, the game has become an Easter tradition. :)

I don't have enough experience with the NES game to comment on it, but I have to question the general hatred that the Western world has for the series. For the series to be that loved in Japan, there has to be something about it that Americans just don't "get". Our exposure to Japanese RPGs back in that era was fairly limited, so I'm inclined to think it's a case of "This doesn't play like Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, so I don't know what the hell to do with it." Same kind of deal with Tower of Druaga versus, say, Zelda. It requires learning a different style of play.

[Arkhan]

Who knows. Its always something. Great , classic games of Japanese origin sometimes end up being hated elsewhere.

[Zoltor]

It could have gone in the AVGN :-D

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/60959

but I think a Hydlide discussion deserves its own thread.

I don't see whats so bad about it to be honest! I spent a good couple of nights one summer playing the piss out of it in all of its quirky glory...

Lol that video was awesome.

To Arkhan, and anyone mentioning this(which is a good assumtion, but neverless has nothing to do with why I don't like it, well atleast not the figuring the mechanics out part):

My hatred of the game has nothing to do with quirks or the fact you may need to figure out the mechanics, I played it back in the day, and by the time, I was well use to playing such types of games, where you need to figure out more then puzzles.

I have no idea if part 2 or 3 is bad(they most certainly can't be any worse, atleast), but until there is a US release, I think we should pretend the other games in the series doesn't exist, well as far as in this thread anyway(unless you know of a fan translation you want to post), since I specifically called Hydlide a POS, I never said part 2 or 3 is a POS(they may very well be pretty crappy as well, but I don't know if they are).


To Fuyukaze: Yea It's pretty sad, even more so since back then there was no shortage of good game that could've got released on 3 systems instead.

[Arkhan]

Part 3 does exist in the states.

Its the sega genesis one everyones been talking about?

Cmon wheres your RPG reputation going man

:)

[Melf]

Super Hydlide is awesome. It has a great soundtrack, cool dungeons, and it was one of the first console RPGs to have that whole "eat, rest, items weigh you down" dynamic. The last boss battle was one of my first WTF moments with the Genesis too.

[Arkhan]

Super Hydlide is awesome. It has a great soundtrack, cool dungeons, and it was one of the first console RPGs to have that whole "eat, rest, items weigh you down" dynamic. The last boss battle was one of my first WTF moments with the Genesis too.

yeah the eat/weight stuff was big on PC with ultima/might and magic/stuff. Its kinda nice to see it in a console game, even if its rare.

[mobiusclimber]

That's so weird! I'd always heard that Super Hydlide was, in fact, a rehash of the first game (like Virtual Hydlide) and it always kinda pissed me off AND amazed me that they'd keep re-releasing the first game over and over in the states and ignore the other ones. Now you tell me Super Hydlide is actually the third one? Crazy.

I have to take issue with the idea that Ys and Hydlide are pratically one and the same. The thought that you HAVE to like both and can't just like one or the other is ludicrous. That would mean that you have to like every RPG ever made, since they're all the same thing! Come on, now. While the two games share SOME game mechanics, they're certainly not the same game. Ys has towns, houses, tons of people to talk to, tons of items to find or buy. Ys is actually an action-RPG whereas I'd classify Hydlide as being more of an action-adventure in the mold of Zelda (just with ramming).

[Jorpho]

HG101 answers all your questions and then some.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/hydlide/hydlide.htm

(Kinda makes you wonder why there hasn't been a GBA or NDS release, if it's still so "popular".)

[Arkhan]

Yeah, Super Hydlide is "Space Memories". The 3rd part of the series.

lol

I wish it'd come out on GBA or something. That would be awesome.

[Arkhan]

This thread cant die!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-3MEWn4eC0 <<

a solid intro, kick ass music, pretty fluid and action-packed gameplay.


I don't understand why its worthy of "crappy game review"s and the like.

you don't see any Japanese versions of Hydlide hate.... :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohhdG2qgoP4&feature=related

and a pretty awesome music comparison.

[Graham Mitchell]

I've never actually played Super Hydlide, but I can tell right away that the music was done by the same people responsible for Target Earth, which also had some pretty great, moody tunes.

[pseudonym]

I've never played Super Hydlide or Virtual Hydlide either. I might have to give these games a second chance. Heh.

[Arkhan]

I've never played Super Hydlide or Virtual Hydlide either. I might have to give these games a second chance. Heh.

I think you should definitely give Super Hydlide a try.

Bearing in mind that it's a port of a game from 1987 graphically.... you'll find it's a pretty rewarding game.


To me it still has the best genesis soundtrack to date.

It's the most non-FM sounding FM ever. in a good way