Kids Today...

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

[Steven]

The sooner you understand and live this, the better.

Really -- who cares what someone else says? Especially if they trash games you yourself enjoy. You cannot change their minds nor should you care to. Let them play what they like and you keep doing what satisfies you. It's much better when you're not worrying about what everyone else says or thinks.

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

Agreed. I just wish kids actually knew what a REAL game was- back before Xbox or Sony ever entered the market. I don't really care but it does "grind my gears" (Anybody who doesn't get that reference should watch Family Guy more often) to say the least.

[BHvrd]

As long as they stop playing that crap ass Call of Duty MW2 and start playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 all will be well in my book, but I guess that may a bit off topic, then again it all boils down to the same thing..... opinion.

[yoshilime53]

Uhhhg, dont get me Started. My classmates think that ANYTHING nes is SUPER ULTRA RARE AND EXPENSIVE. One of them quoted SMB/DH at being like 500 dollars. And when i told my friend he could sell his NES, his other friend said not to, becasue he heard something nes soldfor alot (refering to Stadium Events), but when i told him tht ne's and common games arnt worth alot, he denied it fully.

[Pichu]

Ugh how annoying. But remember, its their loss,
and you're the one playing the fun games.
As for that overpricing of NES thing, I just facedesked to that.

[buzz_n64]

I don't give a crap if a kid or adult doesn't like what I like, most likely I don't like what they like, and that's fine, the less demand for the classics means more for me until $40,000 sales for games have been happening, and now people that aren't even into games are going to purchase them as pure investments they think are worth fortunes.

[Gameguy]

Uhhhg, dont get me Started. My classmates think that ANYTHING nes is SUPER ULTRA RARE AND EXPENSIVE. One of them quoted SMB/DH at being like 500 dollars. And when i told my friend he could sell his NES, his other friend said not to, becasue he heard something nes soldfor alot (refering to Stadium Events), but when i told him tht ne's and common games arnt worth alot, he denied it fully.
That's when you should offer to sell him your extras, like 10 copies of SMB/DH for $20 each. Either he sticks to his belief and buys your common games, or he admits he's wrong about the rarity and value of them.

To the OP: If your friends think all NES games aren't violent or gory enough, just get a copy of Chiller to show them. Or stop caring what they say, if they're just saying that stuff to get you angry why bother hanging out with them.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Visual Aid Time!

Panels 1 & 2 depict what your classmates think they are experiencing now...
Panel 3 depicts what they will find when they return to these 'awesome' games in 10-20 years...
And finally, Panel 4 depicts their reaction to their misspent youth.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/trooper5010/Rage%20Pictures/1237656566026.jpg

[Kyle15]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

I think everybody knows how that feels by now. Give them a while;elementary school kids can be absolute demons at times. They'll wise-up sooner or later. If anything, Icarus' picture chart is proof of that. :D

[aclbandit]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

Really glad to see someone as young as you really appreciate where games came from and where (IMHO) the best games are. Even if your friends disagree, enjoy what you enjoy, and know that there's a place on the internet where nearly everyone shares your love for retro games (that is... right here :))

Also really glad to see that you can use proper grammar and spelling, etc. A lot of ADULTS on the internet can't even manage as much :)

[lagartija_nick]

Its easy to blame the youth for being ignorant.

Keep in mind people are automatically spoiled in most cases just from being born in a certain era.

With general peer pressure and online gaming to keep up with your pals, there's little chance a young person will ever get the opportunity to explore retro games.

Its what you are exposed to in your formative years that will probably set your standards. Thats your reality, anything that came before your time is not your reality, especially when there is a "more advanced, prettier and better version out there already"


Much the same way you probably do not like the music or tv shows of your parents era.


I was gaming pre Atari 2600 on clone pong consoles. Witch pretty much means I witnessed a lot of evolution.

Because of this modern games are not any more special to me than retro-games. Not that I don't like modern games, I do but I am still blown away by 2600 Adventure and the 8-bit and 16-Phantasy Stars are still my favorite rpgs of all time.

On the other hand my brother and few other people my age who grew up with me have a disdain for anything not on the cutting edge. They have no appreciation for retro-games even though these are games they grew up playing. I am not talking about strictly 8 and 16 bit games. They find Xbox 1 and PS2 graphics way below standard.

So its not just the young kids who are to blame.

I often wonder how I never fell into that type of thinking.

[joshnickerson]

Speaking as someone who grew up in the 8-bit era, it amuses me when I walk by the Wii kiosks at Wal-Mart and I see kids struggling to play New Super Mario Bros. Wii. They point the remote at the screen and shake it, seemingly only getting Mario to perform the spin jump. The first few times I saw this, I explained how they had to hold the controller sidesway, even demonstrated it to them, but as soon as I handed the controller back, they went back to pointing and shaking. After that, I just watch in amusement as they get frustrated.

Then they walk over to the PS3 kiosk and start performing all kinds of complicated tricks in a Spiderman game, and I'm like WTF?

[Graham Mitchell]

Ahh, Retro Player, my young friend. I'm glad that you enjoy the classics as everyone on this board does to some degree.

But when you argue with your bitch-ass colleagues, try to remember that their opinion is every bit as valid as yours. If you attack or persecute them for it, it's just gonna cause problems for you. Let them enjoy their MW2. It's sad that they'll probably never experience Super Mario World or Metroid, but as others have said in this thread--their loss.

And I mean this in the nicest way, but I do detect a slight bit of elitism in your posts. We all love the classics, but the truth is that some of the modern games are pretty good too. Don't sell yourself short and give up on experiences just because you're fighting some ideologic battle with the brats at your middle school. Try some of those modern games out. Some of them are pretty cool, and a lot of them make references and nods to older games as well, which is something you (and not your classmates) will appreciate given your experience with classic games. (Check out stuff like Metal Gear Solid or Little Big Planet).

The point of games, really, is to be enjoyed. Go for what you like, and don't worry about what anyone else says.

[Greg2600]

All I'll add to this topic is that, thankfully, video gaming still includes a wide range of genres and game styles. If you're a fan of any era, there are new games and platforms being sold all the time. In that sense, gaming has faired much better than the music industry, where almost all new music is unfathomably bad to those older than 22.

[Diatribal Deity]

Taboo topics of conversation:

(1) Religion
(2) Politics

And now...

(3) Taste in video games

Alright to discuss in general...never a good idea to criticize or try to convince.

[Zoltor]

Okay I'm impressed, that such a young person can seen through the majority of newer games polish, and realise, you can polish shit, but no matter what, It's still gonna be shit.

You're better off just ignoring such people, in r/l or ask them how does it feel like paying $60 for a game, that only offers 1-3 days tops, of gameplay, and that it wasn't even close to being as great, as the Trailers/reviews implied(that should shut them up).

However, It's pretty enjoyable to argue with such people on forums.

[Flack]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

Someday, hopefully, you will look back and laugh and say, "remember when I used to give a fuck about what people thought about what video games I played?"

I'm sure this seems like a pretty big deal to a kid in middle school -- heck, I remember being upset because my parents bought me knock-off Converse shoes one time and someone at school noticed -- but trust me, in about five years this will all seem pretty funny.

[ghostangelofcky]

i remember those awesome arguements, honestly I kind of miss them at times. Transformers vs GI Joe. Metallica vs Megadeth. But, my fav ones where Genesis vs SNES. All the RPG fans against the arcade attics.

Good times.

[Zoltor]

i remember those awesome arguements, honestly I kind of miss them at times. Transformers vs GI Joe. Metallica vs Megadeth. But, my fav ones where Genesis vs SNES. All the RPG fans against the arcade attics.

Good times.


Lol by posting such a thing, you are asking for someone to derail the thread, due to the fact people are very passionate on that subject(including myself, but I have good self control), I suggest you use a different example.

[NayusDante]

Next time someone bashes games for being "old," make fun of them for watching movies that are "old." They at least have enough culture to watch movies from the 80s and 90s, right?

[Kyle15]

i remember those awesome arguements, honestly I kind of miss them at times. Transformers vs GI Joe. Metallica vs Megadeth. But, my fav ones where Genesis vs SNES. All the RPG fans against the arcade attics.

Good times.

Ah, I remember well. It was fun until the arguments started ending in the same fashion as political ones: name-calling, forceful change of subject, or both. :/

[ghostangelofcky]

Lol by posting such a thing, you are asking for someone to derail the thread, due to the fact people are very passionate on that subject(including myself, but I have good self control), I suggest you use a different example.

derailing would be me including my opinion, which I did not. Back to your bridge.

[Arkhan]

You're better off just ignoring such people, in r/l or ask them how does it feel like paying $60 for a game, that only offers 1-3 days tops, of gameplay, and that it wasn't even close to being as great, as the Trailers/reviews implied(that should shut them up).
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Are we talking about new games or old games?

I mean lets not kid ourselves here, Contra on NES wasn't cheap when it came out, and its a 1 hour game. :) lol

and lots of old games had deceiving advertising.. :-/

The real thing you need to point out to kids is that the retro consoles paved the way for all the glittery polygons they are drooling over, and that back in the day, high res sprites were state of the art. Technology was being pushed to the limits even back then, and its stupid to compare them to 3D hardware based games in a negative way.

Though I guess you can't fully blamed the kids. They don't know what "hardware limitations" means, and have no idea what a sprite is, other than the pop.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

Tell them to chug bleach.

[Enigmus]

Really glad to see someone as young as you really appreciate where games came from and where (IMHO) the best games are. Even if your friends disagree, enjoy what you enjoy, and know that there's a place on the internet where nearly everyone shares your love for retro games (that is... right here :))

Also really glad to see that you can use proper grammar and spelling, etc. A lot of ADULTS on the internet can't even manage as much :)


Believe it or not, I'm 14 and I think Call of Duty is a bunch of bullshit. The sad part is is that I'm one of the small number of kids this generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES with SMB/DH and Punch Out for $8000 just because someone sold one that had a SEALED COPY OF THE RAREST GAME FOR THE NES, and know what? I don't give a damn. They can continue their dumbass mistakes that screw their lives up in the long run, and I'll live a more sophisticated, fun one that'll leave me with a life to be proud of.


And I somehow spell better than most adults here. Weird.

[Enigmus]

Really glad to see someone as young as you really appreciate where games came from and where (IMHO) the best games are. Even if your friends disagree, enjoy what you enjoy, and know that there's a place on the internet where nearly everyone shares your love for retro games (that is... right here :))

Also really glad to see that you can use proper grammar and spelling, etc. A lot of ADULTS on the internet can't even manage as much :)


Believe it or not, I'm 14 and I think Call of Duty is a bunch of bullshit. The sad part is is that I'm one of the small number of kids this generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES with SMB/DH and Punch Out for $8000 just because someone sold one that had a SEALED COPY OF THE RAREST GAME FOR THE NES, and know what? I don't give a damn. They can continue their dumbass mistakes that screw their lives up in the long run, and I'll live a more sophisticated, fun one that'll leave me with a life to be proud of.


And I somehow spell better than most adults here. Weird.

[Arkhan]

generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES

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reminds me of http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37025177803217_2092_444450


I just went out of my way and spent extra $$$ to fix the tapedeck in an 88 toyota. my DEVO/Testament/Run DMC tapes haven't worn out yet AND THEY DEMAND TO BE PLAYED.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Its easy to blame the youth for being ignorant.

Keep in mind people are automatically spoiled in most cases just from being born in a certain era.

Much the same way you probably do not like the music or tv shows of your parents era.

Taste is subjective, not relative. :/

[bradd]

reminds me of http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37025177803217_2092_444450


I just went out of my way and spent extra $$$ to fix the tapedeck in an 88 toyota. my DEVO/Testament/Run DMC tapes haven't worn out yet AND THEY DEMAND TO BE PLAYED.
shoot, i am a musician and have been using a digital recorder for years, a few months back it was ruined in a freak accident. recently i have found myself recording again onto my old 4 track cassette deck, and it sounds great!

has anybody mentioned VHS tapes? remember those giant video cameras you had to put on your shoulder that had a full sized VHS tape inside of them?

[Icarus Moonsight]

What freaks me out are the lush songs that were recorded on reel to reel 4 tracks that had a ton of layering. Sometimes using three 4s in tandem to get 8 tracks before needing to mix down to the third unit. On Bohemian Rhapsody, they ping ponged hundreds of vocal takes... Amazing, considering every little step they could have effed it up and had to retake it all... O_O I worked with 4 tracks, cassette and reel. Now I use my computers. I never want to go back. LOL

[Sonicwolf]

Believe it or not, I'm 14 and I think Call of Duty is a bunch of bullshit. The sad part is is that I'm one of the small number of kids this generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES with SMB/DH and Punch Out for $8000 just because someone sold one that had a SEALED COPY OF THE RAREST GAME FOR THE NES, and know what? I don't give a damn. They can continue their dumbass mistakes that screw their lives up in the long run, and I'll live a more sophisticated, fun one that'll leave me with a life to be proud of.


And I somehow spell better than most adults here. Weird.

Im in the same boat as you although, as I am 19, soon to be 20, I have already travelled through the high school/teenager years appreciating the old things from days past and dealing with a lot of bullshit because of it. I have over a hundred cassettes, records, laserdiscs and a big collection of old videogames. Im glad to see younger people than I appreciating the past like this. Makes me not lose faith in the current generation of high-school goers.

I spend more time playing Super Nintendo than I do PlayStation 3. Period.

[Gameguy]

Believe it or not, I'm 14 and I think Call of Duty is a bunch of bullshit. The sad part is is that I'm one of the small number of kids this generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES with SMB/DH and Punch Out for $8000 just because someone sold one that had a SEALED COPY OF THE RAREST GAME FOR THE NES, and know what? I don't give a damn. They can continue their dumbass mistakes that screw their lives up in the long run, and I'll live a more sophisticated, fun one that'll leave me with a life to be proud of.


And I somehow spell better than most adults here. Weird.
You're smarter than most kids/teens, probably smarter than most adults too. Just keep it up and you'll go far, those dumb kids will probably become dumb adults. There's plenty of adults like that, trust me.


http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37025177803217_2092_444450
Cassettes were around a lot longer than 1992, we kept buying them until they weren't carried in stores anymore. We didn't want to bother buying new CD players when we had lots of cassette players already. Cassettes were still around 10 years ago, though near death by that point.


has anybody mentioned VHS tapes? remember those giant video cameras you had to put on your shoulder that had a full sized VHS tape inside of them?
That's what I had to use in high school for a project, that was only around 6-7 years ago.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Taboo topics of conversation:

(1) Religion
(2) Politics

And now...

(3) Taste in video games

Alright to discuss in general...never a good idea to criticize or try to convince.

That's because all three of those involve talking about conclusions exclusively. You can't really convince anyone in or out of those things, especially and never if they reached their conclusions outside of a method. At least, until they do adopt one or agree to discuss it in the frame of a method. You can't criticize conclusions to effect change in others really, just the method/process that generated it. If there is no method (found often in religion/politics) then you are left fighting air. Until you can introduce a method, it's pointless. Comes down to one saying, "I like vanilla." and the other saying, "You can't possibly... Because I like chocolate!" and the first saying, "Chocolate? What a moran..."

[Cav]

Speaking as someone who grew up in the 8-bit era, it amuses me when I walk by the Wii kiosks at Wal-Mart and I see kids struggling to play New Super Mario Bros. Wii. They point the remote at the screen and shake it, seemingly only getting Mario to perform the spin jump. The first few times I saw this, I explained how they had to hold the controller sidesway, even demonstrated it to them, but as soon as I handed the controller back, they went back to pointing and shaking....


Ha! I could only think of the BTTF II quote: "You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy."

[Orion Pimpdaddy]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

Two problems plague kids of that age:
1) They do not have fully developed brains. You can read about it here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/teenbrain/

I'm not calling them dumb, I'm just saying that later on they will be able to have "deeper thoughts" about things such as the video game industry.

2) They want to be considered cool. They don't want to be associated with something that is kidlike (mario, nes, etc.) because it can be socially damaging to them. Ragging on those kinds of things is also driven by the need to be cool. Like the first reason, this need will go away over time (for the most part).

My advice it to have a thick skin and ignore them. However, if given the opportunity, allow some of them to experience some of the old games at your house. Talk to them individually about it. If they are in a group, it's going to be harder to reach them.

[stonecutter]

Yesterday I played Super Mario World with my 12 yr old son for a fair while. We started a new file and completed all 96 goals later into the evening. Of course a break was required to watch canada win the Olymic gold in hockey. He has a SNES in his room, and plays a lot of it. As we played Mario, he says dad we should play E.V.O. we haven't played that for a while. He loves a lot of classic games, however I don't think many of his friends do. Sometimes I think a lot of kids have not had enough exposure to the older stuff so that has a lot to do with their level of appreciation.

[Flippy8490]

I don't really care, but it is really...sad to say the least. A completely immature, biased, unappreciative generation of teenagers are becoming next generations gamers. If this becomes widespread behavior, gaming will see its end in the hands of them. Remember, they are the next round of people to work in the industry. It makes me sad.

The people that can appreciate all 7 current generations of games are the ones who are the real gamers. They like EVERYTHING. They see the value in an 8-bit NES title, a hyper HD xbox 360 new release and the blip-bloops of Atari.

[Arkhan]

I don't really care, but it is really...sad to say the least. A completely immature, biased, unappreciative generation of teenagers are becoming next generations gamers. If this becomes widespread behavior, gaming will see its end in the hands of them. Remember, they are the next round of people to work in the industry. It makes me sad.

The people that can appreciate all 7 current generations of games are the ones who are the real gamers. They like EVERYTHING. They see the value in an 8-bit NES title, a hyper HD xbox 360 new release and the blip-bloops of Atari.

true dat. :)

I can see the merit in Akalabeth for Apple ][. My friends think im batshit insane because of it.

[Ed Oscuro]

Agreed. I just wish kids actually knew what a REAL game was- back before Xbox or Sony ever entered the market.
Were you even born when this was the case? Xbox, okay granted you were maybe five at the time, but Sony has been around the fringes since well before there was a NES, and Microsoft about as long as the NES.

No disrespect, but you are a kid; I'm still borderline one really. We can't escape the age we're born into, but only try to make it better.

There's no blanket issue wrong with today's games; if anything, you're much better off that I was in the 90s because of the choices you have available, and I theoretically was better off than kids who only grew up with Atari, and whatever. Game development didn't stop with the classics; I also think that there was a directness and emphasis on some good design that isn't a part of many of today's highly visible movie games, but for the most part the old games aren't gone. There's still cartridges, there's MAME, and there's lots and lots of freeware games and cheap direct download titles that simply didn't exist before.

Props for focusing your attention on something a lot of people think is merely "history," but there's no need to slag off today's games, I don't think.

That's just my half a cent's worth.

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Also, folks would be well to remember that people (successful people) don't write prose like Edgar Allan Poe or poetry like Walt Whitman; blackface isn't welcome in the movies anymore, etc. Old games probably fare better than some other artistic mediums because of how simple and direct they are - they speak across the decades clearly (at least the great ones do), but the state of the art has had to change as well. It's just how things go. Even if there's nothing wrong or offensive about old games, it's just not with the state of the art, which is guided by fads and marketing.

[Graham Mitchell]

Were you even born when this was the case? Xbox, okay granted you were maybe five at the time, but Sony has been around the fringes since well before there was a NES, and Microsoft about as long as the NES.

No disrespect, but you are a kid; I'm still borderline one really. We can't escape the age we're born into, but only try to make it better.

There's no blanket issue wrong with today's games; if anything, you're much better off that I was in the 90s because of the choices you have available, and I theoretically was better off than kids who only grew up with Atari, and whatever. Game development didn't stop with the classics; I also think that there was a directness and emphasis on some good design that isn't a part of many of today's highly visible movie games, but for the most part the old games aren't gone. There's still cartridges, there's MAME, and there's lots and lots of freeware games and cheap direct download titles that simply didn't exist before.

Props for focusing your attention on something a lot of people think is merely "history," but there's no need to slag off today's games, I don't think.

That's just my half a cent's worth.

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Also, folks would be well to remember that people (successful people) don't write prose like Edgar Allan Poe or poetry like Walt Whitman; blackface isn't welcome in the movies anymore, etc. Old games probably fare better than some other artistic mediums because of how simple and direct they are - they speak across the decades clearly (at least the great ones do), but the state of the art has had to change as well. It's just how things go. Even if there's nothing wrong or offensive about old games, it's just not with the state of the art, which is guided by fads and marketing.


QFT. I used to be a real snob about this stuff, but the real motivation behind it was that I was in med school, and I was too busy to invest in a PS2 game because they were too time intensive. But NES games were great (for the most part). Play for 15-30 minutes at a time and you've gotten a fairly complete experience out of it. But when I bought a 360, I was so impressed with it that it renewed my faith in modern gaming. (I thought the Wii was gonna be the be-all end-all, but it wasn't.)

Anyway, sorry to derail...just felt like sharing.

[Drewskiwannabrewski]

I don't remember middle school all that well, but i'm pretty sure I wasn't making fun of people for what video games they played. When it really comes down to it games are a frivolous thing, and probably one of the least constructive leisure activities, despite how much we all adore them.

So my question is, why even get worked up over it? In two or three years the same kids will probably make fun of you just for being upset over such a thing. Steven is right, the sooner you learn not to care about what people think the better off you'll be.

It's their loss anyway.

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

Believe it or not, I'm 14 and I think Call of Duty is a bunch of bullshit. The sad part is is that I'm one of the small number of kids this generation who carries on the old things. I've been called a dumbass for saying I listen to casettes and for telling a seventh grader that he couldn't sell an NES with SMB/DH and Punch Out for $8000 just because someone sold one that had a SEALED COPY OF THE RAREST GAME FOR THE NES, and know what? I don't give a damn. They can continue their dumbass mistakes that screw their lives up in the long run, and I'll live a more sophisticated, fun one that'll leave me with a life to be proud of.


And I somehow spell better than most adults here. Weird.

Wow, it's really great to have someone in the same boat as I. And, selling Super Mario for 8 grand? Just the idea of that, it being one of the most common games out for the NES library just makes me gag. Seriously- just because Stadium Events netted a person 40 grand for a sealed copy doesn't mean your common NES games are worth that much.

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

And what REALLY sucks is that it is incredibly difficult to find classic stuff from where I live. Even Atari VCS consoles are tough to come across, and when they do come around they cost a LOT of money.

[Arkhan]

And what REALLY sucks is that it is incredibly difficult to find classic stuff from where I live. Even Atari VCS consoles are tough to come across, and when they do come around they cost a LOT of money.

whre is your location? O_o

atari's are all over the damn place here!

[Poofta!]

This may not precisely pertain to classic video games- but it does involve them in a sense. I'd just like to blow off a little steam concerning my classmates up at my middle school...

They love to talk smack about the classic games (particularly NES and SNES) just to piss me off- they know I'm obsessed with 8-Bit Mario games in particular. They say those games are "stupid" (great vocabulary, kids!) because they don't have enough violent or gory scenes. What the hell!? Maybe there isn't blood dripping off my television screen, but hey- these games are FUN! The classics contain one element current-generation games will never have: gameplay. They revolve around one simple element, may it be navigating a frog across a busy highway or blasting aliens with a fragile tank. Have these kids even given the classics a CHANCE? I think they're being biased. Or maybe I'm just one of a kind at my school.

im not sure if youre trying to suck up to us so we think this 12 year old is cool, or if youre being trolled in real life and dont get.

either way... youre a kid every bit as much as everyone else in your elementary school.

yes retro games are fun; not everyone likes them. cool story.


also, everyone here who says games today suck, is an idiot. there are just as many great games today as there were being released at any point 10, 20, 30 years ago, if not more (depends which point you pick, really). nostalgia has a way of mucking things up. just because you enjoyed metroid doesnt mean you cant enjoy metroid fusion or prime 3. just because you think contra is the bee's knees doesnt mean that CoD:MW is crap. everyone here needs to grow up. for every shitty lightgun game on the nes there is a shitty railgun game for the wii. for every shitty 16bit sequal there will be a CoD: WaW.

games as a whole are getting better. technology has pushed realism in graphics, music and gameplay to new heights. this has made genres evolve and the landscape of gaming change. some mascots transferred well (mario), some... not so well (sonic). however the fact that today you have games being made which are 'old school' and are better than almost anything in their class from 10-30 years ago, is undeniable - whether it be depth of quality (castle crashers, shadow complex, dishwasher samurai, dragon age, SFIV etc etc). of course some games are timeless, we call them classics. the thing about classics is that each gen has them, including this one.

new franchises are able to create and expand on things from the past that programmers back then only dreamed of. calling games like Modern Warfare 'shit' is a sign of ignorance (at best). genres like racing were simply incapable of matching up to the quality which the programmers (and gamers) wanted until just a generation ago. RPGs today are everything that SSI attempted to do 30 years ago. Carmack himself is pleased with what FPS are today, and continues to push them forward and evolve. Hell, even side scrollers of the nes/snes era have lived on with spiritual and literal sequels (of varying quality, as everything in life) which deserve a spot in every gamer's library.

look at any wise/knowledgeable/experienced collectors or gamers here (or anywhere, really) and notice the span of their collection. it usually starts at when they began gaming (sometimes going backwards, depending on the person) and has the cream of the crop in terms of great games of every generation up until the current one (sure, everyone has a favorite era). pigeon-holing yourself to 2600, 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, last gen or current gen is absolutely absurd. you are missing the point of interactive entertainment and prove nothing more than how narrow-minded and truly juvenile you are.

fanboys dont only apply to mascots or companies. dont be fanboy. try to view everything as objectively as possible. it is ultimately you who loses out on what the world has to offer. in the end of the day neither your classmates, nor us, give a shit to what you play on your tv, in your home.



if anyone is curious: ive been gaming since the NES. i enjoy my guardian legend as much as my IL2 Sturmovik.

[TRM]

im not sure if youre trying to suck up to us so we think this 12 year old is cool, or if youre being trolled in real life and dont get.

either way... youre a kid every bit as much as everyone else in your elementary school.

yes retro games are fun; not everyone likes them. cool story.


also, everyone here who says games today suck, is an idiot. there are just as many great games today as there were being released at any point 10, 20, 30 years ago, if not more (depends which point you pick, really). nostalgia has a way of mucking things up. just because you enjoyed metroid doesnt mean you cant enjoy metroid fusion or prime 3. just because you think contra is the bee's knees doesnt mean that CoD:MW is crap. everyone here needs to grow up. for every shitty lightgun game on the nes there is a shitty railgun game for the wii. for every shitty 16bit sequal there will be a CoD: WaW.

games as a whole are getting better. technology has pushed realism in graphics, music and gameplay to new heights. this has made genres evolve and the landscape of gaming change. some mascots transferred well (mario), some... not so well (sonic). however the fact that today you have games being made which are 'old school' and are better than almost anything in their class from 10-30 years ago, is undeniable - whether it be depth of quality (castle crashers, shadow complex, dishwasher samurai, dragon age, SFIV etc etc). of course some games are timeless, we call them classics. the thing about classics is that each gen has them, including this one.

new franchises are able to create and expand on things from the past that programmers back then only dreamed of. calling games like Modern Warfare 'shit' is a sign of ignorance (at best). genres like racing were simply incapable of matching up to the quality which the programmers (and gamers) wanted until just a generation ago. RPGs today are everything that SSI attempted to do 30 years ago. Carmack himself is pleased with what FPS are today, and continues to push them forward and evolve. Hell, even side scrollers of the nes/snes era have lived on with spiritual and literal sequels (of varying quality, as everything in life) which deserve a spot in every gamer's library.

look at any wise/knowledgeable/experienced collectors or gamers here (or anywhere, really) and notice the span of their collection. it usually starts at when they began gaming (sometimes going backwards, depending on the person) and has the cream of the crop in terms of great games of every generation up until the current one (sure, everyone has a favorite era). pigeon-holing yourself to 2600, 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, last gen or current gen is absolutely absurd. you are missing the point of interactive entertainment and prove nothing more than how narrow-minded and truly juvenile you are.

fanboys dont only apply to mascots or companies. dont be fanboy. try to view everything as objectively as possible. it is ultimately you who loses out on what the world has to offer. in the end of the day neither your classmates, nor us, give a shit to what you play on your tv, in your home.



if anyone is curious: ive been gaming since the NES. i enjoy my guardian legend as much as my IL2 Sturmovik.


And you my friend are an idiot if you feel that people are idiots, based off of whether or not they do or do not enjoy current gen videogames.

I will admit, that there are some good current gen titles on the market. I grew up on NES, and find Mario Kart Wii, Mario Galaxy, Mega Man 9, etc enjoyable. However, The number of games that I have a desire to play has decreased dramatically since the NES days. I used to share a dorm with a dude who was into current gen X Box stuff, and I had no desire at all to play that crap. Not Halo, not Gears of War, no desire for the new Metroid stuff either.

I think that there are two definitions of good, which need to be looked at. Some of these games may be good in the same way that Ralph Waldo Emerson's writings are good, and worth studying. In reality, many people may abhore these (both the games and the writings), but by the same token, they have their significance and should be treated likewise. Then there are the games that are just simply fun, and these would fall into the other category of good. I am not going to argue that the graphics/realism are not getting better with these newer games. However, to equate this with improvement? I cannot honestly say that games are getting better, it all depends on a person's taste.

If my brother did not have a Wii, I honestly would not have bought one to play the new games, because I am just as happy with the retro stuff. Does that make me closed minded? Possibly, though I am not totally sure whether I agree with that or not. I personally find the newer games less fun, and to me, they are not an improvement over the older stuff. Sure I have found certain titles here and there that I enjoy, and find great, but overall, there is definitely a smaller selection of games that I would choose to purchase than with the classic consoles. Not really a case of being a close-minded idiot, or being a retro fanboy, or of being narrow-minded. Simply a case of personal taste, and everyone is allowed to have their own.

[Poofta!]

And you my friend are an idiot if you feel that people are idiots, based off of whether or not they do or do not enjoy current gen videogames.

I will admit, that there are some good current gen titles on the market. I grew up on NES, and find Mario Kart Wii, Mario Galaxy, Mega Man 9, etc enjoyable. However, The number of games that I have a desire to play has decreased dramatically since the NES days. I used to share a dorm with a dude who was into current gen X Box stuff, and I had no desire at all to play that crap. Not Halo, not Gears of War, no desire for the new Metroid stuff either.

I think that there are two definitions of good, which need to be looked at. Some of these games may be good in the same way that Ralph Waldo Emerson's writings are good, and worth studying. In reality, many people may abhore these (both the games and the writings), but by the same token, they have their significance and should be treated likewise. Then there are the games that are just simply fun, and these would fall into the other category of good. I am not going to argue that the graphics/realism are not getting better with these newer games. However, to equate this with improvement? I cannot honestly say that games are getting better, it all depends on a person's taste.

If my brother did not have a Wii, I honestly would not have bought one to play the new games, because I am just as happy with the retro stuff. Does that make me closed minded? Possibly, though I am not totally sure whether I agree with that or not. I personally find the newer games less fun, and to me, they are not an improvement over the older stuff. Sure I have found certain titles here and there that I enjoy, and find great, but overall, there is definitely a smaller selection of games that I would choose to purchase than with the classic consoles. Not really a case of being a close-minded idiot, or being a retro fanboy, or of being narrow-minded. Simply a case of personal taste, and everyone is allowed to have their own.

well put.

not to offend, but you remind me of a middle aged person who would rather die than to listen to any music that isnt of the era he grew up in (usually teens to late 20s). whether it be big band or classic rock.

youre right though, it is all preference, but at least you give it a try. personally i find super mario world funner than mario 3. and SotN funner than any castlevania from before [or after] it. while shadow complex gives metroid a run for its money. i think forza 3/GT5/PGR4 are superior and funner to any and every driving/racing game from previous generations.

i think GTAIV and SFIV are genuinely fun and re-playable. however i think FF6&7, chrono trigger, Secret of Mana etc are better than everything Square churns out today. although Breath of Fire peaked at 3.

im just trying to push for an era-agnostic approach to video gaming. where you compare games based on their merits and not their age or nostalgia factor (which i understand is close to impossible. nostalgia is a overpowering force).

TRM, maybe you simply have grown disenchanted with gaming? and hold on to the ones you liked because they are familiar to you.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Hey, I'm only basing things on my experience. What a typical 12yo kid wants to play now days is kinda scary, content and substance-wise. Some years ago, a kid about that age was looking at the PS2 case with his mother. She was buying him his birthday present. The kid looked bewildered/uncertain and mom was much worse than that. I pointed out Okami, it was a few weeks old at the time. He looked at the box and then at me, quizzically. I guess he thought it looked childish and stupid. I told him it played much like a 3D Zelda and had really neat and unique gameplay, an interesting story based on Japanese mythology, along with lots of color and a great visual presentation to match. With all that, it was pretty well set apart, for a PS2 title. I figure I said something that spooked him, as he quickly told his mom that he wanted Spy Hunter with "The Rock" wrestling guy on the cover... *sigh* Lost another one. Slippery buggers. LOL

[Poofta!]

Hey, I'm only basing things on my experience. What a typical 12yo kid wants to play now days is kinda scary. Some years ago, a kid about that age was looking at the PS2 case with his mother. She was buying him his birthday present. The kid looked bewildered/uncertain and mom was much worse than that. I pointed out Okami, it was a few weeks old at the time. He looked at the box and then at me, quizzically. I guess he thought it looked childish and stupid. I told him it played much like a 3D Zelda and had really neat and unique gameplay, an interesting story based on Japanese mythology, along with lots of color and a great visual presentation to match. With all that, it was pretty well set apart, for a PS2 title. I figure I said something that spooked him, as he quickly told his mom that he wanted Spy Hunter with "The Rock" wrestling guy on the cover... *sigh* Lost another one. Slippery buggers. LOL

okami is far from being for everyone. its like the arthouse film, sure it may have critical applause, but wont win much awards. personally i didnt like it either.

and spy hunter didnt have 'the rock' on the cover. ever. in fact it wasnt until years after the new games came out that *talks* of him emerged about putting him in the movie.

[Icarus Moonsight]

DQ'ed

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[Poofta!]

DQ'ed

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wow. you got me. i had NO IDEA they made a game based on the movie which is based on the game which is a revival of an old game.


i mean. wow.

i am so sorry. i suppose my punishment is knowing it exists? i was so much happier before =[

[Icarus Moonsight]

I didn't want to do it. But you forced my hand! LOL

[Sonicwolf]

Anyone ever wonder why so many young people find offense with things that are not modern? I have always wondered this.

[buzz_n64]

Anyone ever wonder why so many young people find offense with things that are not modern? I have always wondered this.

Maybe it's how most of us view 90's cell phones, VHS, and the telegraph. Out dated and serving no purpose to them, which is wrong. I think I've actually reached the point of not even caring or wanting the next gen systems to come out, because I'm not even liking most new titles coming out now.

[Sonicwolf]

Maybe it's how most of us view 90's cell phones, VHS, and the telegraph. Out dated and serving no purpose to them, which is wrong. I think I've actually reached the point of not even caring or wanting the next gen systems to come out, because I'm not even liking most new titles coming out now.

I see. I dont know why, but I have always felt differently about the stuff of yesteryear in comparison to most of my peers. For example, I have always preferred to use my parents 1988 stereo over my sisters brand new Sharp from 2002. I just like old things more than new. There is something to admire in the style and longevity of some things. LOL

[buzz_n64]

I see. I dont know why, but I have always felt differently about the stuff of yesteryear in comparison to most of my peers. For example, I have always preferred to use my parents 1988 stereo over my sisters brand new Sharp from 2002. I just like old things more than new. There is something to admire in the style and longevity of some things. LOL

You know, I take it back. Today my buddy and I went to Walmart, I got out of my car wearing my Sonic the Hedgehog t-shirt, and a little kid at the car next to me said he likes my Sonic shirt, and I said thanks. Maybe there's some hope after all.

[Hari Seldon]

Anyone ever wonder why so many young people find offense with things that are not modern? I have always wondered this.

Cause old stuff is related to old fucks like us. It's the circle of life.

[Hari Seldon]

Anyone ever wonder why so many young people find offense with things that are not modern? I have always wondered this.

Cause old stuff is related to old fucks like us. It's the circle of life.

[Sonicwolf]

Cause old stuff is related to old fucks like us. It's the circle of life.

I dont find old stuff and the relation to older people to be a problem. Just because something is old doesnt mean its useless

[Gameguy]

I've always liked older stuff, even when I was little kid. I preferred comics from the silver/golden age rather than current, I actually asked for and received an antique pair of roller skates because I wanted them more than a new pair of rollerblades(I used them too), and I was into older vintage bicycles instead of modern ones. I also thought rotary phones were cool, though I never actually had one. I loved going through antique stores.

I'm only 22 right now, none of that stuff was nostalgic for me as it was before I was born. I just thought it was cooler and better quality compared to the current stuff that was around at the time. Now stuff is even worse today compared to the 90's, from what I can see anyway. For example, I notice something with the newer laptop my mom has. It runs hotter than mine though they're made by the same company. I can't keep it on my lap as it really gets hot, my older one feels fine. The packaging it came in was cheaper too.

As for video games, I'm mostly into the Genesis which is what I had as a kid. But I'm also into the NES, I only played one for the first time in 2001 so i didn't have any nostalgia for it. I also have an Atari 2600 with some games, but I haven't touched it in ages and I'm not so into it. I don't like systems or games just because they're old, they have to be fun too. I do like other consoles from the 16-bit era, the SNES and Turbografx though I never played those either until more recently. I do like some more current games for the DS and some PC games look interesting, but most current games don't really interest me that much.

[Arkhan]

I see. I dont know why, but I have always felt differently about the stuff of yesteryear in comparison to most of my peers. For example, I have always preferred to use my parents 1988 stereo over my sisters brand new Sharp from 2002. I just like old things more than new. There is something to admire in the style and longevity of some things. LOL

hey man, im only 21. I jacked my parents 1984 stereo/tape/record combo, and just went out of my way to get a 1988 toyota wagon, :D

call me crazy but old shit is cool as fuck.

[lagartija_nick]

You know, I take it back. Today my buddy and I went to Walmart, I got out of my car wearing my Sonic the Hedgehog t-shirt, and a little kid at the car next to me said he likes my Sonic shirt, and I said thanks. Maybe there's some hope after all.

Of course I could be wrong but that little kid probably is not complimenting the Sonic you know from yesteryear.

Even though the modern Sonic games are seen as lackluster, I think Sega still makes a ton of money off of kids who buy the modern Sonic games.

[Clownzilla]

My biggest problem with the modern era of "young gamers" is that they are being raised to think that a game is never complete unless you tack on another $50 in DLC. The idea of a complete game purchased in a box in the store is sooooooo 90's:)

[Arkhan]

DLC. lol.

nothin says great game like having to pay extra to get the full effect

[lagartija_nick]

My biggest problem with the modern era of "young gamers" is that they are being raised to think that a game is never complete unless you tack on another $50 in DLC. The idea of a complete game purchased in a box in the store is sooooooo 90's:)


Thats not the young kids fault. Thats just the reality of the situation. Today games are not complete without dlc.

Dlc you may pay for now and may have not access to in the future when the company decides to no longer support the game in question.

Didn't Bioware just come out with a $40 expansion for Dragon Age

What's even more disturbing is dlc annouced before the game hits the shelves in some cases.


If you really into a game expect to pay 2-3 times the original amount of the inital purchase if you want to experience everything the game has to offer.

[Aswald]

Well, around here we have a number of second-hand stores and the like.

I've noticed that a good number of video games they have are actually quite recent. Very much so, in fact. Even if 50% of them are there because of financial desperation, this would tend to show that they do not have that much lasting value.

Perhaps the kids in your school who insult the older games are just trying to be funny, or maybe they are technonerds who rate games on graphics and sound alone?

[Arkhan]

Thats not the young kids fault. Thats just the reality of the situation. Today games are not complete without dlc.


thats a bullshit reality.

As much as I loved Valkyria Chronicles, the need to download the extras for $$ was a slap in the face.

Back in the day those were UNLOCKABLES via effort.

now theyre unlockable via $$. Lame.

[snes_collector]

I think it's all in what you grew up with. If the kids didn't grow up with a Super NES or a Genesis they probably won't like it as much as what they did grow up with. It's all nostalga with what you had when you were small. I didn't have a NES or anything older when I was little, and I honestly don't care that much for it. I have over 140 NES games, and I bet I haven't played more than 40. It's like it isn't complicated enough for me, and that's the reason I don't care for it I suppose. I'm sure the same thing goes for your middle-school friends, SNES or anything older just isn't as complex as what is new.


Also, I'm a little bit older than you, but to this day in my school career, I'm not sure if I've never heard people hating on any type of media because its old. Maybe that happened when I was in middle school and I just don't remember, but it definatly doesn't happen now.

[thom_m]

It's good to know that someone that young can actually be interested in the classics. I'm 29, and I get shit very similar to that from people my age - people who grew up playing the same games I did.

I do agree, though, with the oens saying that modern gaming shouldn't be overlooked - even though I had little contact with it. I have a 6 year old daughter, and her gaming habits are being built around the NES/SNES/Genesis trio - with a little PSX here and there. I'm planning on getting a PS2 soon, though, and broaden our gaming experience (and yeas, I know that the ps2 is quite now, but it IS a different experience from what we're used to). It's about time!!

[Rickstilwell1]

You're smarter than most kids/teens, probably smarter than most adults too. Just keep it up and you'll go far, those dumb kids will probably become dumb adults. There's plenty of adults like that, trust me.


Cassettes were around a lot longer than 1992, we kept buying them until they weren't carried in stores anymore. We didn't want to bother buying new CD players when we had lots of cassette players already. Cassettes were still around 10 years ago, though near death by that point.


That's what I had to use in high school for a project, that was only around 6-7 years ago.

I bought the Nelly album Country Grammar at Target on cassette because they were sold out of the CD. And that was in like 2001 or something like that.

[MASTERWEEDO]

Most of the people i talk to are around 18-21, im 25. I seem to be the only one who appreciates anything made before 2000. my vhs collection makes jaws drop(over 4,000) and my classic gaming station gets replies of "I've never even heard of these." and "I thought Atari was the first video game".....thye cant comprehend that i'd rather play my genesis than their 360....also, most fail to notice the connection between the dreamcast and xbox, hell, most dont know what the dreamcast is.

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

im not sure if youre trying to suck up to us so we think this 12 year old is cool, or if youre being trolled in real life and dont get.

either way... youre a kid every bit as much as everyone else in your elementary school.

yes retro games are fun; not everyone likes them. cool story.


also, everyone here who says games today suck, is an idiot. there are just as many great games today as there were being released at any point 10, 20, 30 years ago, if not more (depends which point you pick, really). nostalgia has a way of mucking things up. just because you enjoyed metroid doesnt mean you cant enjoy metroid fusion or prime 3. just because you think contra is the bee's knees doesnt mean that CoD:MW is crap. everyone here needs to grow up. for every shitty lightgun game on the nes there is a shitty railgun game for the wii. for every shitty 16bit sequal there will be a CoD: WaW.

games as a whole are getting better. technology has pushed realism in graphics, music and gameplay to new heights. this has made genres evolve and the landscape of gaming change. some mascots transferred well (mario), some... not so well (sonic). however the fact that today you have games being made which are 'old school' and are better than almost anything in their class from 10-30 years ago, is undeniable - whether it be depth of quality (castle crashers, shadow complex, dishwasher samurai, dragon age, SFIV etc etc). of course some games are timeless, we call them classics. the thing about classics is that each gen has them, including this one.

new franchises are able to create and expand on things from the past that programmers back then only dreamed of. calling games like Modern Warfare 'shit' is a sign of ignorance (at best). genres like racing were simply incapable of matching up to the quality which the programmers (and gamers) wanted until just a generation ago. RPGs today are everything that SSI attempted to do 30 years ago. Carmack himself is pleased with what FPS are today, and continues to push them forward and evolve. Hell, even side scrollers of the nes/snes era have lived on with spiritual and literal sequels (of varying quality, as everything in life) which deserve a spot in every gamer's library.

look at any wise/knowledgeable/experienced collectors or gamers here (or anywhere, really) and notice the span of their collection. it usually starts at when they began gaming (sometimes going backwards, depending on the person) and has the cream of the crop in terms of great games of every generation up until the current one (sure, everyone has a favorite era). pigeon-holing yourself to 2600, 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, last gen or current gen is absolutely absurd. you are missing the point of interactive entertainment and prove nothing more than how narrow-minded and truly juvenile you are.

fanboys dont only apply to mascots or companies. dont be fanboy. try to view everything as objectively as possible. it is ultimately you who loses out on what the world has to offer. in the end of the day neither your classmates, nor us, give a shit to what you play on your tv, in your home.



if anyone is curious: ive been gaming since the NES. i enjoy my guardian legend as much as my IL2 Sturmovik.

I understand what you're saying, but that's taking it a bit far calling me "juvenile" like that. I wasn't saying their opinions were wrong- I'm just vexed that they were being biased simply because old games aren't gory or feature macho men beating up hookers. And- fanboy...ha! I DO actually play a few newer games- I've got a Nintendo Wii just like many others do and there are a few classics here and there. But, they still can't compare in terms of novelty to some of the older games. There are a few retro games a bit over-rated just because of nogstalgic value, like "Altered Best". But, most of them deserve to be respected and played. I'm not looking for another internet argument, I've already been through enough with some trolls on Youtube so let's not go there. I just think kids never even give the oldies a chance. And,no, I'm not "cool" just because I like the classics nor do I just play 'em to seem unique in personality. I play 'em because they're BETTER.

[BetaWolf47]

For anyone complaining about "kids these days.." how many Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, and Odyssey games do you have in your collection? If you don't have anything from before you were born, you're guilty too.

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

For anyone complaining about "kids these days.." how many Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, and Odyssey games do you have in your collection? If you don't have anything from before you were born, you're guilty too.

Those are very hard to find- but don't judge me because you do not know who I am. I don't have a lot of money- but I do have around 20 NES games plus system, 30 SNES games plus system and many Gameboy (original games).