Capcom CPS Fighter Joystick

[Nintega Grafx-16]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/capcom%20power%20stick%20fighter/undamned_photobucket/Capcom%20Power%20System%20Changer/CPSF.jpg

IHMO the greatest retro joystick ever created besides the Neo Geo stick. Who else is a fan of this joystick? I play MAME32 with this plugged in my Super Joy Box USB converter. :D

[Kitsune Sniper]

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Is this a joke?

I owned one of those and went back to a standard gamepad after five minutes. The stick sucked, hardcore. :\

[Nintega Grafx-16]

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Is this a joke?

I owned one of those and went back to a standard gamepad after five minutes. The stick sucked, hardcore. :\

Opinionz...

[XYXZYZ]

Ehh, I liked it. I had one back when they came out; I'll never forget buying it at Electronics Boutique when, on that day, I could have taken home a boxed Turbografx 16 for $30.00 (clearance):frustrated: I got the Fighter Power stick for $14.00; not bad compared to the $90.00 of hard earned money for that C&L controls Championship joystick I bought previously.

Back then, your choice of joystick for SF2 was the Capcom Fighter Power stick, the SNES Advantage, and the C&L Championship joystick. Being that the Advantage's layout was not suitable for SF2 (Remember that "ripped off a perfectly good idea" ad where they try to make you believe a Street Fighter 2 machine had the button layout of an SNES Advantage?) and the Championship stick cost a fortune, the CFP was not a bad option at all. Even today it's not bad for playing things like Ranma 1/2 or whatever. But after you've been using Happ and Sanwa hardware for awhile it's hard to take the CFP seriously. But it's still not bad for conventional platformers and stuff.

Actually I'm thinking of getting the Genesis one and converting it for use with a PC Engine DUO-RX for games like Flash Hiders and Tengai Makyo Itta-whatsits. (The Far East of Eden fighting game on PCE)

[123►Genei-Jin]

I currently have the genesis version, the stick itself is pretty good, but I never liked the size of the action buttons (too small), also check this thread at shoryuken.com:
http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=189300&page=1

[Tron 2.0]

LOL LOL LOL Sorry man usely when i hear any thing about that joystick it's usely how,poor it's quality is.

I think you be better off with a "mass systems joystick" or some other custom made one.

[Kiddo]

I also got the Genesis version of the stick. I didn't particularly like the buttons, but the joystick itself felt really nice to hold. I assume it's made with the same material as the SFC/SNES sticks?
I wouldn't classify the stick as "sucking" by any stretch of the imagination - I will note that it's Joystick is Japanese-style and thus may not have as many fans among the "Retro" group as it does the "Hardcore tourney fighter" group.

If the joystick is arcade-quality as it is, I wonder how possible it'd be to replace the buttons with something more arcade-like as well.

[stargate]

I have one of those buried somewhere in my collection. I always thought it was a bit cheap and flimsy feeling.

[T2KFreeker]

The stick isn't the worst, however it needs a tear drop for the stick versus a Ball. Just my preference for fighters though. Neo Geo Rocks!

[Ed Oscuro]

I think you be better off with a "mass systems joystick" or some other custom made one.
You mean MAS right? Okay, MAS Systems... http://www.massystems.com/

Myself, I have a Hori Fighting Stick II for the SFC that I use on SFC / SNES games. It's good, better than the NES Advantage by a margin.

[G-Boobie]

Not a fan of that Capcom stick. For my MAME needs, I have an AIAB custom with a Sanwa stick and Happ convex buttons. Nice and responsive.

[maxlords]

I had that stick for a while....felt it was a complete POS. I think I actually threw it in the trash rather than sell it to someone...

[stargate]

I found mine. It appears to be a SNES version. You can buy it off me if you want. :)

[Kitsune Sniper]

I also got the Genesis version of the stick. I didn't particularly like the buttons, but the joystick itself felt really nice to hold. I assume it's made with the same material as the SFC/SNES sticks?
I wouldn't classify the stick as "sucking" by any stretch of the imagination - I will note that it's Joystick is Japanese-style and thus may not have as many fans among the "Retro" group as it does the "Hardcore tourney fighter" group.

If the joystick is arcade-quality as it is, I wonder how possible it'd be to replace the buttons with something more arcade-like as well.

It wasn't a stick thing; I've used both ball and bat joystick versions and can use both. But the stick itself, the way it felt when you moved it, was just damn cheap. I've seen better quality construction on chinese crap knockoffs...

[WoodyXP]

It's an alright stick, but I preferred the Hori Fighting sticks of the day.

[ghostangelofcky]

Still my fav that I have found. Zero complaints

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TK9DFP43L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[Sosage]

You mean MAS right? Okay, MAS Systems... http://www.massystems.com/

Myself, I have a Hori Fighting Stick II for the SFC that I use on SFC / SNES games. It's good, better than the NES Advantage by a margin.

It feels like we're comparing 2010 sports cars with 1800 horse and buggies. I mean, yeah. The sticks we have access to now blow these officially licensed sticks from the early 1990's away. But these shitty sticks were all you had when the SNES/Gen versions came out (unless you knew how to build your own, which was during a time where not everyone had access to arcade hardware).

MAS is old school, but not so old school to save the western world from this piece of cheap poopie.

As for the stick we're talking about, even if the hardware is replaced with something sound the layout is a big, demented brain fuck. Imagine if this thing is sitting on your lap or on a coffee table...or you're on the floor with the thing between your legs. So in what position do you put this stick so it is "square" and even? So forward doesn't become up, forward on accident? Or charge back doesn't become charge down + back? Who knows! You only have that little piece of plastic underneath that acts as the base to try and line the thing up. Even the more Japanese friendly button layout adds that extra bit of "screw you" to the whole thing. If it was the western-style straight six, you could work out where center is. Or if they just made the damn thing rectangular damn it.

OK. I am exaggerating a bit. They did give you a line across the joystick divot to try and orient it (PFFFFT!), but this is totally design over function. :P

[XYXZYZ]

Wait, I remember reading somewhere that the Japanese version had actual Semitsu parts, while we got the Chinese knockoff shit. Anyone know anything about that?

[Nintega Grafx-16]

Wait, I remember reading somewhere that the Japanese version had actual Semitsu parts, while we got the Chinese knockoff shit. Anyone know anything about that?

Show me where you found that info since I actually have 2 Japanese CPS Fighters. The ones that came with Famicom cables.

[nectarsis]

Seems like most opinionz are decent to crap..no real raves about it eh?

There were still quality sticks back in the early/mid 90's:

Solid as a rock
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x285/nectarsis/100_0941.jpg

Adjustable turbo,adjustable button angle, switchable 4/8 gate stick, built in muti tap
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x285/nectarsis/xe1.jpg

[Oldskool]

The Hori is very nice. The Capcom stick always looked cheap to me, and I hate split-anything, especially split keyboards. But then again I have yet to try it, the thing could be the best stick in the world! My favorite sticks that I own are the Sega Genesis 6-button arcade stick and the Namco PS1 Arcade Stick.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

Seems like most opinionz are decent to crap..no real raves about it eh?

There were still quality sticks back in the early/mid 90's:

Solid as a rock
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x285/nectarsis/100_0941.jpg

Adjustable turbo,adjustable button angle, switchable 4/8 gate stick, built in muti tap
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x285/nectarsis/xe1.jpg

Too bad I can't play MAME with those. Nice try Nec.

BTW how many fighting games are for PC Engine again? LOL

[nectarsis]

Too bad I can't play MAME with those. Nice try Nec.

BTW how many fighting games are for PC Engine again? LOL

I didn't see having it be usuable on MAME be a prerequiste.

Also:

http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/tgfx16_usb/index_en.php

Fighting games for PCE...more than plenty.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

Fighting games for PCE...more than plenty.

SFII, crappy unknowns like Asuka 120% and a few subpar Neo Geo ports. YEA QUALITY LIBRARY!

[nectarsis]

SFII, crappy unknowns like Asuka 120% and a few subpar Neo Geo ports. YEA QUALITY LIBRARY!

17 off the top of my head, the Neo ports were the best of any versions at the time not on Neo hardware..and unknown =/= bad.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

17 off the top of my head, the Neo ports were the best of any versions at the time not on Neo hardware..and unknown =/= bad.

The ports came out AFTER the Neo versions therefore they had to be severely scaled down on the 8-bit PC Engine. Neo Geo is a console too so that means the Neo wins by far.

BTW the Hori brand is overrated and so is this extremely overpriced XE-1. I had a PS2 Dragon Quest Slime pad and the buttons started to stick after using it so many times.

[nectarsis]

The ports came out AFTER the Neo versions therefore they had to be severely scaled down on the 8-bit PC Engine. Neo Geo is a console too so that means the Neo wins by far.

BTW the Hori brand is overrated and so is this extremely overpriced XE-1. I had a PS2 Dragon Quest Slime pad and the buttons started to stick after using it so many times.

:above me:
LOL I hope a game would be better on it's native system that had superior specs. True they were scaled down, but compare themto the SNES version...which were scaled down even more.

Never using this Hori stck, or am XE-1 Pro (overpriced? I nabbed mine boxed for $40) your opinion about another irrelevant controller is a bit moot.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

I didn't see having it be usuable on MAME be a prerequiste.

Also:

http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/tgfx16_usb/index_en.php

Fighting games for PCE...more than plenty.

and




SFII, crappy unknowns like Asuka 120% and a few subpar Neo Geo ports. YEA QUALITY LIBRARY!

17 off the top of my head, the Neo ports were the best of any versions at the time not on Neo hardware..and unknown =/= bad.
Off the top of my head:

Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition
Asuka 120 Burning Fest
Flash Hiders
Art of Fighting
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
World Heroes 2
Advanced VG
the third Ranma 1/2 on SCD
Strip Fighter
Kabuki Itoryodan
Martial Champion
Fighting Street
Battlefield 94 (arcade style wrestling)

There is a couple others I know Im forgetting... The Neo ports and SF2 cover the major bases for that time period anyway, and as you said, the Neo ports were the best of that time period. The Sega CD, Genesis,and Snes Neo ports got put to shame easily. At any rate, you already know Ninny hasn't even played most of them other then SF2 since the moron broke his Duo and got banned Nectarsis. He probably doesn't even know Asuka has a following and sequels.

Best part of why Dave earned a spot on the ignore list, he never speaks from experience. Hes just trolling. Any thread he starts usually ends up boiling down to him posting replies like that. You already know that. Let him say what he wants, just makes him look more moronic. Hes got much of nothing to validate most any comment he spouts off, other then his butt hurt fueled opinion, and his undying love for China Warrior.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

:above me:
LOL I hope a game would be better on it's native system that had superior specs. True they were scaled down, but compare themto the SNES version...which were scaled down even more.

Never using this Hori stck, or am XE-1 Pro (overpriced? I nabbed mine boxed for $40) your opinion about another irrelevant controller is a bit moot.

A bit moot? I am talking about a PS2 HORI pad. Now I am hesitant to buy anything from that brand.

[Nintega Grafx-16]

Since my long time fellow PC-ENGINE HELL has been on my ignore list for quite some time, I am going to assume he put up a list of mediocre PCE fighting games and then talk smack about me. Breaking the forum rules much?

[nectarsis]

Since my long time fellow PC-ENGINE HELL has been on my ignore list for quite some time, I am going to assume he put up a list of mediocre PCE fighting games and then talk smack about me. Breaking the forum rules much?

"Mediocre" games you haven't played more than likely.

[Kiddo]

Moving back to the actual joystick discussion...
For the CPS Stick, I had no problem with the layout - I was already familiar enough with Japanese-style arcade stick/button layouts that I knew what I was getting into. Therefore, I'd probably be fine with the stick if it had a Japanese-style button mod, rather than those cruddy "Stock" buttons that I feel get in the way of it being a "Real arcade" stick.

On early Hori-Brand sticks, I have a Hori Fighting Stick SS, and it seems like an OK joystick, but I didn't particularly get the "Best Joystick EVER" vibe some of the other folks make it out to be.

The XE-1 stick description makes it sound more like it's being praised for it's "extra features" than for actually being a good arcade stick on it's own - which is not to immediately judge it, but I do tend to get annoyed when a joystick gets recommended immediately for "Adjustable Turbo", a feature I feel is more equivilant to cheating than a good arcade stick feature. The CPS Stick also has that and the 4/8-way switch, and I largely ignore these functions - ok, one time I tried the 4/8-way switch to see how that sort of thing is supposed to work, but simply "Disabling" the diagonals rather than making them physically impossible to accomplish felt rather cheap to me. Not that it mattered anyway - I wasn't gonna be playing Ms, Pac-Man on this stick.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Moving back to the actual joystick discussion...
For the CPS Stick, I had no problem with the layout - I was already familiar enough with Japanese-style arcade stick/button layouts that I knew what I was getting into. Therefore, I'd probably be fine with the stick if it had a Japanese-style button mod, rather than those cruddy "Stock" buttons that I feel get in the way of it being a "Real arcade" stick.

On early Hori-Brand sticks, I have a Hori Fighting Stick SS, and it seems like an OK joystick, but I didn't particularly get the "Best Joystick EVER" vibe some of the other folks make it out to be.

I honestly don't have too many complaints about the Capcom stick. Ive modded quite a few over the years to be used on 3DO, Pc-Engine, and SuperGuns. Not too much by Hori I've owned I have not liked completely, but I'd not be willing to pay more then around $50-60 for their sticks. They are nice, durable, easy to mod or repair, but I have owned better sticks for sure.

[ubersaurus]

Ugh, those things. My friend has one of those sticks for Genesis, and while it's ok (he certainly liked it plenty) my period joystick preference were the ASCII ones. The CPS ones just felt so cheap.

Of course, nowadays you can just get a Cthulhu PCB and use practically any stick on SNES with it. I'm rather interested in modding up a Seimitsu stick with that to throw down in some classic shooters and platformers ;p

[Nintega Grafx-16]

So almost everyone thinks the Capcom stick is the worst joystick ever? Well like I posted earlier. Opinionz.

[Oldskool]

Well, like I was saying I have yet to try it out. It looks ergonomical. What are the buttons/joystick like? Are they clicky?

[Nintega Grafx-16]

Well, like I was saying I have yet to try it out. It looks ergonomical. What are the buttons/joystick like? Are they clicky?

Very clicky.

[Oldskool]

Well clicky buttons/joysticks are nice. That's how my Namco arcade stick is for the PS1, so much easier to pull off moves with that.

When you are playing it does it feel like a real arcade stick?

[whoisKeel]

Well clicky buttons/joysticks are nice. That's how my Namco arcade stick is for the PS1, so much easier to pull off moves with that.

When you are playing it does it feel like a real arcade stick?

It is not like the Namco stick for PS1, at all. I have both. The Namco stick has a sawna feel (but isn't, I don't think), but it is a step in the right direction. The construction on the Namco is also solid, with a metal base. I like the Namco stick, it does have that "arcade feel".

This stick for snes is plastic with weird tiny buttons, an ergonomic? layout, and a crap stick. But it is the only SNES stick I own, I doubt any other readily available sticks from this era are that much better, if at all.

[Kiddo]

The SNES has had a variety of arcade sticks of various quality. I believe most folks recommend either the Hori stick, or a C&L Controls "Championship" joystick (which is much like a MAS Systems stick, except constructed in plastic rather than wood.)

[Oldskool]

So it's really not much better than my Super Advantage?

[Nintega Grafx-16]

So it's really not much better than my Super Advantage?

Please, it is better than that thing you carry.

[Kiddo]

Dude, the CPS Joystick beats the SNES advantage by -miles-. It actually has a layout that works with Street Fighter 2, and the Japanese-style arcade joystick gives it a significant boost over any joystick that doesn't try to actually be arcade-like.

Admiably this is from someone who thinks the SNES Advantage is very low-tier.

[Sosage]

It is not like the Namco stick for PS1, at all. I have both. The Namco stick has a sawna feel (but isn't, I don't think), but it is a step in the right direction. The construction on the Namco is also solid, with a metal base. I like the Namco stick, it does have that "arcade feel".

You mean this bad boy?

http://www.defconsoft.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/defhardware/HNamcoArcadeStick.jpg

It was a Hori stick, but they were taking steps at the time to try and replicate the feel of the Japanese arcade hardware (they came close, but it is still nothing like the real deal).

It might not be accurate, but in my mind these were the OG "I'm gonna mod this fake hardware with legit Japanese hardware" retail shelf stick. The original, "I'm buying this just for the base and the controller board" stick.

These things had a run of being extremely desirable by everyone in the fighting game community (sort of like how HRAPs took off a few years ago...and now Mad Catz sticks are the new hot thing). Especially right after you couldn't find them on shelves anymore. People were modding them left and right with legit Sanwa parts (although IIRC...getting a legit stick to fit was an issue). Really nice, portable little stick.

[Tron 2.0]

BTW the Hori brand is overrated.
Hori overrated LOL Give me a break the reason there brand of joysticks "do get credit" is becuase the ones they make today are arcade quality.Given they use either sanwa or seimitsu parts in them and yes there japanese but if you prefer amercian it's parts,can be replaced with happs.

Last year i picked up the (hori real arcade pro 3
special edition) for my PS3 and so far i have not had any problems with it.The joystick is fine being stock and all plus it can use it on my pc as well if i want too.Oh and btw yes hori joysticks can be expensive but you get what you pay for.

Though if you don't care at all you might as well just bulid your own joystick.

[Kiddo]

Hori overrated LOL Give me a break the reason there brand of joysticks "do get credit" is becuase the ones they make today are arcade quality.

I seem to get the impression that the Shoryuken forums would have a laugh at this line. Up until this point, I was hoping there was some consistency in opinion here, but...
I guess, in the end, joystick wars are basically a "MY STICK IS BETTER THAN YOUR'S" pissfest. Eh. :(

Besides the SS stick I mentioned earlier, I have an Xbox 360 Hori Fighting Stick (Soul Calibur IV branding). I actually prefer how that one is built to the SS stick's, which is part of my general confusion, because people always say new Hori sticks suck and recommend old ones.

[Oldskool]

Please, it is better than that thing you carry.

I would hope so, cause the Super Advantage Super Sucks. :moon:

[Oldskool]

You mean this bad boy?

http://www.defconsoft.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/defhardware/HNamcoArcadeStick.jpg

It was a Hori stick, but they were taking steps at the time to try and replicate the feel of the Japanese arcade hardware (they came close, but it is still nothing like the real deal).

It might not be accurate, but in my mind these were the OG "I'm gonna mod this fake hardware with legit Japanese hardware" retail shelf stick. The original, "I'm buying this just for the base and the controller board" stick.

These things had a run of being extremely desirable by everyone in the fighting game community (sort of like how HRAPs took off a few years ago...and now Mad Catz sticks are the new hot thing). Especially right after you couldn't find them on shelves anymore. People were modding them left and right with legit Sanwa parts (although IIRC...getting a legit stick to fit was an issue). Really nice, portable little stick.

They must still be desirable, I see them sell on Fee Pay all the time for 50-70 bucks.. hell I just got rid of mine for that much. I honestly never used the damn thing, not a big fighter fan really except Street Fighter II. Bought it new back in 1996 when half the people here were still in diapers.

But yeah there is still a large following on those Namco sticks...

[Tron 2.0]

I seem to get the impression that the Shoryuken forums would have a laugh at this line. Up until this point, I was hoping there was some consistency in opinion here, but...
I guess, in the end, joystick wars are basically a "MY STICK IS BETTER THAN YOUR'S" pissfest. Eh. :(

Besides the SS stick I mentioned earlier, I have an Xbox 360 Hori Fighting Stick (Soul Calibur IV branding). I actually prefer how that one is built to the SS stick's, which is part of my general confusion, because people always say new Hori sticks suck and recommend old ones.
Opinion's,do very some are fine with the old sticks while others prefer the news ones.Even if you don't like it stock you can swap it's stick&buttons to what you like.

Though i ended up getting that (HRAP3SE) last year since it's price is down.Not to mention a HRAP2 is pricey as of late.

[Sosage]

Opinion's,do very some are fine with the old sticks while others prefer the news ones.Even if you don't like it stock you can swap it's stick&buttons to what you like.

Though i ended up getting that (HRAP3SE) last year since it's price is down.Not to mention a HRAP2 is pricey as of late.

HRAPs are still nice. I *still* use my HRAP1 base (although I've long swapped out the buttons and I am in need of my second replacement JLF stick), which I had dual...no...tri-modded for 360/PS3/PS2. Yeah! I have my SF4 stick for whichever console a tournament chooses to run shit on AND I keep my PS2 slow-mo/turbo buttons for Gradius V/R-Type Final.

It's just that everyone has moved onto the new MadCatz sticks...which really are nice, usually come stocked with good hardware and are a lot more portable.

Portable being a funny thing. I walk into a tournament with my HRAP and it is like walking into the room with a giant tape walkman while everyone else has Ipod Nanos. Or a gigantic 1980's cell phone.