Battletoads

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

I'm very interested in this series, although I've only snagged a copy of Battletoads/Double Dragon for Super NES. I just want to know which version is the best buy, considering I'm only going to get 30 dollars into paypal very soon. I hear this game is notoriously difficult, especially the Wind Tunnel round. Should I get the NES, SNES remake (Battlemaniacs) or the Gameboy version. I'm not sure how different each game is but since I'm low on money I want the best home version. Could anybody help me out?

[nensondubois]

The NES version was the best and I wish it replaced the SNES one as a remake of it. The Game Boy version (Battletoads in Ragnarok's World world) is a crippled port of the NES version with missing levels. The Genesis version is pretty good. You can find a cheap copy somewhere on google shop or ebay.

[ShinobiMan]

This thread should probably be moved to this thread. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95960)

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95960

[Zthun]

The NES version was the best and I wish it replaced the SNES one as a remake of it. The Game Boy version (Battletoads in Ragnarok's World world) is a crippled port of the NES version with missing levels. The Genesis version is pretty good. You can find a cheap copy somewhere on google shop or ebay.

I'd have to disagree and go with the SNES version being the best. Pimple > Zits.

The NES version is too hard. It is eventually just not fun after the third level and just becomes nightmarish and frustrating.

[phreakindee]

Agreed, the NES game is freaking hard.

In order of "bestness":

Battletoads Arcade
BT/DD (Genesis preferred)
Battletoads in Battlemaniacs
Battletoads (Genesis)
Battletoads (NES)
BT: Ragnarok's World

[j_factor]

The Genesis version is a little easier than the NES version. Especially the wind tunnel, because in the Genesis version you can move your vehicle faster. The Game Boy version is pretty awful and not worth playing. Also avoid the Game Gear and Amiga ports. Battlemaniacs is pretty much a separate game. It's okay, but the level design is bland compared to the original. Also it has this stupid issue of the finishing moves being too long and exaggerated, so that another enemy can attack you while you're finishing one off. It's very annoying and leads to some cheap hits. The SMS version doesn't have this problem, but I hear it only actually contains the first half of the game or something (I've never played it long enough to find out for sure).

I also prefer the Genesis version of Battletoads Double Dragon. Strangely enough, it's easier. I guess Rare thought Sega gamers were wimps.

[Arkhan]

Ima have to go with Battle Toads Double dragon for genesis being the very best one.


and Battlemaniacs was pretty good too.

[Jorpho]

How's the arcade version? For a long time it wasn't in MAME at all.

[Arkhan]

How's the arcade version? For a long time it wasn't in MAME at all.

great aside from not being able to be bought and played in the home for about 5$ :D

[vintagegamecrazy]

The Genesis version is the best one out there. The NES version and Battlemaniacs are second then the GB (not Ragnarok's world). The GG and SMS versions suck pretty bad so avoid them at all costs, the Amiga versions should probably go that route too.

The NES version isn't as hard as you'd think, you just have to get the timing down. In the wind tunnel you have to hit up down a beat faster than the Genesis version and you'll do just fine.

[baraka]

Battletoads?!?!?! Check out my youtube channel where me and my friend are uploading co-op runs for the whole series on real systems:

www.youtube.com/battletoadgods

I've got all the battletoads games including the arcade one. Battletoads is all about mental challenge and the NES version should therefore be on top of the list. No game can be "too hard". Here's my personal order of preference, which is almost the opposite of phreakindee's list:

1. Battletoads (NES)
2. Battletoads & Double Dragon (SNES version, OBVIOUSLY)
3. Battletoads in Battlemaniacs (SNES)
4. Battletoads Arcade
5. Battletoads (GameBoy)

The Arcade version is not really true to its roots. Its a great beat-em-up but it lacks the diversity of all the other titles. The Gameboy version of Battletoads is just shit. Ragnaroks world however, which is the port of the NES version, plays very well on the GB. Its not in the list cause its an inferior port and I'm also not mentioning the FAR inferior Genesis, Amiga and GG versions in the list for the same reason.

[jb143]

How's the arcade version? For a long time it wasn't in MAME at all.

It's worked in MAME for a while now and isn't too bad. Agreed that it's not quite the same as the others but it sure is pretty.

[nebrazca78]

Its not in the list cause its an inferior port and I'm also not mentioning the FAR inferior Genesis, Amiga and GG versions in the list for the same reason.

You must be referring to the gameplay of the Genesis version because the Genesis graphics blow the NES graphics away pretty bad. That's not surprising, Genesis graphics toast NES graphics 99% of the time, but I thought the Genesis version played great. I won't even bother labeling these screenshots:


http://home.comcast.net/~mr.moto.x/nes-bt.JPG


http://home.comcast.net/~mr.moto.x/gen-bt.JPG


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[baraka]

You must be referring to the gameplay of the Genesis version because the Genesis graphics blow the NES graphics away pretty bad. That's not surprising, Genesis graphics toast NES graphics 99% of the time, but I thought the Genesis version played great. I won't even bother labeling these screenshots:

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Thats supposed to be an obvious improvement? I dont consider it that way, the graphics arent even that great on the Genesis (I have both versions as well like I said) and gameplay wise it is indeed a little worse than the NES version. Also, the sound is HORRIBLE and the game has been made easier. Yea, I guess some people might prefer it because they can't beat the original...

[nebrazca78]

Thats supposed to be an obvious improvement? I dont consider it that way, the graphics arent even that great on the Genesis (I have both versions as well like I said) and gameplay wise it is indeed a little worse than the NES version. Also, the sound is HORRIBLE and the game has been made easier. Yea, I guess some people might prefer it because they can't beat the original...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my opinion is that you need Lasik.

[baraka]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my opinion is that you need Lasik.

Alright. My opinion is you're too much of a noob to play the NES version and pretend to prefer the Genesis version for other reasons.

[DreadIsReal]

Alright. My opinion is you're too much of a noob to play the NES version and pretend to prefer the Genesis version for other reasons.

Uh, he's been around here much longer than you, so this doesn't make sense, lol. Just saying...

[baraka]

Uh, he's been around here much longer than you, so this doesn't make sense, lol. Just saying...

Yea and what does him being an older forum member have to do with anything? Seriously, have you even read any of the above messages?

[skaar]

Yea and what does him being an older forum member have to do with anything? Seriously, have you even read any of the above messages?

haha you said noob. You pwn3d him.

[baraka]

sure did.

[DreadIsReal]

Yea and what does him being an older forum member have to do with anything? Seriously, have you even read any of the above messages?

Yep, read them all, wouldn't have posted if I hadn't. But when someone refers to another forum member as a "noob", than one is implying that they are indeed a newbie to said forum, which in this case is untrue. Now as far as the Battletoad debate, I myself prefer the NES version but visually the Genesis is better tenfold. So your both right.

[baraka]

But when someone refers to another forum member as a "noob", than one is implying that they are indeed a newbie to said forum, which in this case is untrue.

Thats just one very dumb assumption. Obviously thats not what I meant, I called him a noob cause I think he sucks at playing Battletoads. That shouldnt be too hard to understand in light of the context.

[DreadIsReal]

Thats just one very dumb assumption. Obviously thats not what I meant, I called him a noob cause I think he sucks at playing Battletoads. That shouldnt be too hard to understand in light of the context.

That's not a dumb assumption based on the way you chose to word your statement, but I'm not going to argue over that as it would be pointless and stupid. So my fellow digital presser, enjoy the Battletoad conversation.

By the way, for retro-player, you should start with the Genesis version as it is easier and then play the NES version, that way you'll gain a little experience and won't get so frustrated during your NES play through. Enjoy your gaming dude.

[nebrazca78]

Alright. My opinion is you're too much of a noob to play the NES version and pretend to prefer the Genesis version for other reasons.

I didn't say the gameplay was better on the Genesis or even that the Genesis version was better. My assertion is that the graphics of the Genesis version are much more colorful and more detailed. The Genesis graphics being more colorful is a fact, them being more detailed I suppose could be an opinion call. Which graphics you prefer is a total opinion. The main thing that I am getting at is that, IMO, the Genesis version looks much better and when I played it the controls were great. So your statement that the Genesis version is FAR inferior to the NES version, while it is your opinion, is not likely to be shared by many.

[baraka]

So your statement that the Genesis version is FAR inferior to the NES version, while it is your opinion, is not likely to be shared by many.

Of cours its an opinion, it always is. And I know there's many people who prefer the NES version in every way, including graphics so I'm not alone.

BTW the Genesis version is indeed "more colorful" but not in a good way imo.

[allyourblood]

Having completed the NES version, I also put my vote in for the Genesis version. I consider the visuals to be upgraded considerably, and I prefer the Genesis' controller to that of the NES, as well. I also feel this way about the original Mega Man; originally completed it on the NES, but prefer the MD version for its improved visuals.

[csgx1]

I actually really like the Gameboy versions of Battletoads. Though, I got to admit that its extra challenging with an original gameboy, greenish screen blurring.

Maybe I havent play too much of the other versions. Its a good time for me to look into other versions as well. The Genesis screen shot look pretty good.

[nebrazca78]

And I know there's many people who prefer the NES version in every way, including graphics so I'm not alone.


I would not be surprised to find out that this is not true, or at the very least your definition of "many" is extremely liberal.



BTW the Genesis version is indeed "more colorful" but not in a good way imo.

Yeah, in the same way that Street Fighter II SCE for Genesis has better graphics than the Super Nintendo version.

/end sarcasm


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[baraka]

I would not be surprised to find out that this is not true, or at the very least your definition of "many" is extremely liberal.


Of course its not based on some kind of poll but i know plenty of people that feel that way. If you want to keep whining about it though, go ahead.



Yeah, in the same way that Street Fighter II SCE for Genesis has better graphics than the Super Nintendo version.

/end sarcasm


wow you super awesome sarcast?

[vintagegamecrazy]

I guess I have to chime in and say that the Genesis version is my favorite but the NES version is still more impressive on a technical level. I like the NES version's sound much better too but do prefer the Genesis' graphics more. The only thing I don't like with the NES version is the sometimes glitchiness of the game play. Stage 4 is the main culprit, too many times I get hung up on jumps and die by hitting invisible objects or have fallen right though some platforms and that's remedied in the Genesis version, either way both are fantastic games. The NES version has a much better feeling of nostalgia for me though.

I haven't played the Ragnarok's World game on Game Boy but will say that the other game isn't half bad either, it's biggest problem is the major glitchiness later on. You really have to master the game to compensate in some of the later levels. Still it's a fun game though.

The Game Gear port, while a slightly changed version of the original and missing some levels, is the second worst Battletoads game I"ve played only outdone by the craptastic SMS game. Both are so flawed and glitchy that they are almost unplayable. Stay far away from them!

Has anyone played that Amiga 1000 or CD32 ports and care to comment on those?

[j_factor]

Has anyone played that Amiga 1000 or CD32 ports and care to comment on those?

Very briefly. They're absolutely dreadful. The graphics don't look as good as the Genesis version. You have to select sound effects or music (you can't have both) and the sound isn't even very good. Worst of all, the controls are completely borked. They decided to make the game use only one button. So to make that work, you can only attack while standing still; you jump by pressing a direction and the button at the same time. Makes for a shitload of accidental jumping. The game runs a little slow, the animations are messed up, and some of the enemies require way more hits compared to other versions. To top it off, the collision detection is a horrible mess. The result is a completely broken game. I've beaten Battletoads on both Genesis and NES, and on Amiga, I can't beat the first level. I'm sure I could if I put enough effort into it, but I certainly don't want to.

Worst of all, the CD32 port fixes none of these issues. You still have to select sound effects or music, on a 32-bit CD-ROM system. You still have to control it with one button, on a system that comes with a controller that has four face buttons and two shift buttons.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I kinda figured it played pretty bad.

[baraka]

I like the NES version's sound much better too but do prefer the Genesis' graphics more. The only thing I don't like with the NES version is the sometimes glitchiness of the game play. Stage 4 is the main culprit, too many times I get hung up on jumps and die by hitting invisible objects or have fallen right though some platforms and that's remedied in the Genesis version, either way both are fantastic games.

I never experienced any of these problems in stage 4 on the NES. The only time I experience some glitches like that is when my cartridge isnt properly inserted but usually the game also freezes then later on... Maybe you should just give it a cleaning?

[Insaneclown]

When I played Battletoads/Double Dragon it's a terrible game. The two teams just dont work. The play is terrible. Billy and Jimmy look awful. I own the original BattleToads. Its pretty awesome but tough as fuck. I want to get the Battlemanics one someday. I played it once way back in the day like when I was 12 or so. Need to get this game and play it again.

[baraka]

When I played Battletoads/Double Dragon it's a terrible game. The two teams just dont work. The play is terrible. Billy and Jimmy look awful.

What?! That game is f-ing awesome, how does it not work? Almost everyone who's ever played it loves that game, the gameplay is smooth, the music is legendary and theres a lot of diversity in gameplay. And Billy and Jimmy just look the same as always? IMO one of the best SNES games ever made..

[Berserker]

You suddenly realize that every post made by baraka in this thread has been an effort to marginalize anyone who says anything negative about Battletoads.

Unfortunately, you are the only person who realizes this. Everyone else I've ever met didn't even notice it. That makes you strange, and different, and alone. Alone I tell you!

[baraka]

You suddenly realize that every post made by baraka in this thread has been an effort to marginalize anyone who says anything negative about Battletoads.


I'll defend this series until the day I die, that's right.


Unfortunately, you are the only person who realizes this. Everyone else I've ever met didn't even notice it.

Realize what? And notice what? You're not making much sense.