Best obscure arcade board to consolize?

[JimmyDean]

Ok, so my CMVS is nearing completion, and I want to consolize another arcade board. I don't know which one to pick, so maybe you guys can help me out?

[Dangerboy]

PGM is about as oddball as you can get...unless you want a time based NES...

[aclbandit]

Although it's not obscure (and not a choice), CPS2 is hella good.

I've heard good things about ST-V as well, but I don't have any personal experience.

EDIT: Didn't notice you also had Atomiswave, AND your avatar is Metal Slug. I hear Slug 6 callin' ya.

[JimmyDean]

Hear its not as good as 2 or 3... But I also hear its better than 4 and 5. (that's not saying much) Hear an arcade down in Austin has it. (also hear its candy cab city there) I'll have to check it out when I'm visiting my bro in a month. Anyway, I'd assume it'd be pretty compact inside the A-Wave case, so if everyone votes for it, its going to be hard to pull off. I'm sure I could leech some extra money out of it if I throw in an expansion i/o and network cart.

Edit: Do you guys really want to see me tortured? (consolize an Atomiswave) Jesus, I'm only 13. But then again, MVS is the easiest project EVAR, so A-Wave can't be that harder... Plus, I'll make some good money!

[kedawa]

Naomi with Capcom I/O.

[JimmyDean]

As much as I'd love to have/sell a consolized NAOMI, stuffing a Capcom i/o in that case would be pretty hard to do.

Edit: It appears that a Capcom i/o is not nessecary to consolize a NAOMI. It appears that a Dreamcast PSU outputs the exact voltages that a NAOMI board does, and that NAOMI uses VGA output. Here are some links with some pinouts:

http://kirurg.org/arcade/img/sega-cp-cabinet-pinout.jpg
http://www.sega-naomi.com/hardware.htm

I might just have to consolize one... It'd sell for some serious money, that's for sure.

[Ed Oscuro]

Torture and supergun are words often found in the same sentences.

I'd actually rather not see any classic cart / motherboard systems "consolized," if by consolized we mean physical damage and / or trapping them in heat-trapping plastic boxes. Otherwise, hey, I dunno, knock yourself out.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

I think hes wanting to jump into this stuff to turn a profit as a mini business. If that is the case, problem with that is there is way way too many others doing this right now for cash as it is. Another issue can be resentment. I remember when KPJ was going around asking for help left and right on this stuff.

All he did afterwords is use said knowledge to turn in massive profits, and in the process earned a bad rep on the Neo forums. I dont know of any other modder as hated as him right now. The only reason KPJ is even able to turn a buck anymore is because he low ball bids tons of auctions to get stock in, and he murders noobs wallets with his severe prices.

Another thing going against you is your age and inexperience. People shopping around are more likely to go with someone whos older and been doing this stuff a long while, even if it cost a tad more, as opposed to a teen who has not. I dont know if Dean is still doing this stuff, but there are plenty of others between Vaps/Klov, shmups, and the Neo forums that are that you will have to compete with, along with the random modder on ebay.

If youre really dead set about jumping into this as a way to earn some extra cash, you should drop Dean a email and ask him a for tips about what to do , and what not to do. Hes been around a long while, long enough to give you some solid advice on both aspects of that. dean@multimods.com

[JimmyDean]

Nah, I just want to build a few to expand my NES collection. In the future (once I have money), I'll probably keep all my consolized systems. I couldn't keep up with building these things all the time, anyways. When its all said and done, I think 650$ for a CMVS, Metal Slug 2, World Heroes, and a controller wouldn't be ripping people off. (that's only 150$ for labor) I don't want to associate myself with KPJ, who charges 700 just for the system.

[JimmyDean]

FFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKEEERRRR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8d89yYc6w&feature=related

ARGHHHH!!! So much for my idea...

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

FFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKEEERRRR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8d89yYc6w&feature=related

ARGHHHH!!! So much for my idea...

Well, I was gonna say, I was thinking it had been done before, but I couldn't remember by who. I dont think he is the only one to do so either. Back when I had a couple of STV boards I considered doing it myself, but just wasn't very into the idea. Kinda like consolizing a F-3. Seems like a good idea at first, but more I considered it, was just meh on the idea. When it came down to it, I just didn't enjoy either format enough to do the work, was just easier to hook up to a SG and be done with it for what little games I wanted to play on either at the time.

[Blur2040]

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[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Also, this is one that I always think about---doesn't anyone think about their hacked up CMVS or homemade Supergun that they sell potentially malfunctioning and hurting someone or damaging property?

I dont build or sell this kinda stuff anymore, but I think if I was, my given response to this statement would be I'll worry when I see someone reporting being hurt by said device. I guess probably because I grew up in the world of DIY built devices, so its not a big fear for me. That and honestly, there is not many real "professional" superguns out there. Basically all of them about are made by hand with off the shelf parts regardless, so you will always be exposed to the chance of human error on the manufacturing side of things. Either way, the stuff isn't for everyone. I never did like the idea of the average joe messing around with exposed arcade boards, but its not my job to police what hobby people want to get into, or how they want to blow their cash.

[Blur2040]

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[Logicdustbin]

Here is a reasonably priced CMVS: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2979328&postcount=1



:D

oh, and I build a c-PGM for some one, they just didn't want a supergun.

ohhh, 4 player :D (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Logicdustbin/mod%20work/DSC00398.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Logicdustbin/mod%20work/DSC00396.jpg


consolized systems sit nicer under teh TV...

[Battlesmurf]

Lol- oddly enough a friend just mentioned consolizing a Rampart 3p Panel/game. I almost want to have someone continue in that line of thought for me to save me the room of another cabinet.

[Ed Oscuro]

Also, this is one that I always think about---doesn't anyone think about their hacked up CMVS or homemade Supergun that they sell potentially malfunctioning and hurting someone or damaging property?
It's the damaging property part that is worth thinking about.

Most superguns use PC power supplies, and Bloodflowers from Shmups (who has many, many arcade repairs under his belt) has said that these are incredibly unsuited to the task of providing power to arcade boards, as many of them are designed to respond to power demands - in the case of arcade boards, that's apparent power designs, since boards are intended to take only one set of voltages across the pins. An arcade board that's malfunctioning and drawing more current than it should in effect invites the PC style power supply to fry it. Furthermore he said some Atari power supplies work along this same theory, and not incidentally the machines using them have a bad reputation for reliability.

At the very least, repeatedly plugging and unplugging a JAMMA board with its connector is going to be bad for the contacts, and handling is a good way to damage stuff (I saw this recently with a Heated Barrel shipped to me, damaged, the damage was a tiny wire that went unnoticed by the seller) over time, either by shorts (not a problem in my experience, but I do everything JAMMA related on concrete and grounded) or by flexing joints.


FFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKEEERRRR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8d89yYc6w&feature=related

ARGHHHH!!! So much for my idea...
lol, you're supposed to do this for yourself

not for reps in the community, at best we say "that's nice" and then continue with your daily lives. Priorities man...

[JimmyDean]

I... I just can't live without Metal Slug 2. Now that I think about it, the NeoGeo MVS would be a really cool system to have! Why sell it?

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

It's the damaging property part that is worth thinking about.

Most superguns use PC power supplies, and Bloodflowers from Shmups (who has many, many arcade repairs under his belt) has said that these are incredibly unsuited to the task of providing power to arcade boards, as many of them are designed to respond to power demands - in the case of arcade boards, that's apparent power designs, since boards are intended to take only one set of voltages across the pins. An arcade board that's malfunctioning and drawing more current than it should in effect invites the PC style power supply to fry it. Furthermore he said some Atari power supplies work along this same theory, and not incidentally the machines using them have a bad reputation for reliability.

Again, if this is a concern, then you need to place fuses on the power lines. This can happen regardless of power supply type. What you are saying is incorrect also. Pc power supplies dont jack up the volts to meet demand. The volt levels have to stay pretty much constant on pc hadrware to keep it from flaking out, as the original ATX spec for motherboards is +5,+12, +3.3, and -5 volts for the main requirements. Nothing more, and nothing less, the same rules applied to Jamma power requirements. They are not allowed to vastly fluctuate. A ATX power supply's main volts has to be within ±5% of their nominal value, at ALL times.

Also, I think what you are meaning to say is amps. And again, this would be covered by using the proper value fuses. This again can happen regardless of power supply type, as many modern Jamma power supplies put out far more amps then older jamma boards originally required, and this type of failure you are speaking about is actually due to failure of parts on the arcade pcb, not the power supply then. I had thought from your original post you were speaking with at least some kind of decent experience in this, but honestly now it seems you don't have a great understanding on how arcade or pc power supplies really function over all, that you only know what you have been told by word of mouth. That can be a good thing, and also a bad thing.

At this point it seems all you are doing is spreading un-needed fear spin in regards to ATX power supplies based upon someone elses opinion that you have read or whatever and adopted as your own, and are determined to get others to go by also. Due to that, I respectfully as that you stop now, hit up Wikipedia, and maybe spend a few months studying ATX and Jamma power specs and requirements, power supply function in general, and proper use/application of fuses, on both Klov/Vaps, and probably Guru3D also. That and then, after you put in, oh, say 8-10 years of hands on experience, come back and put it to good use actually helping others, not trying to scare them.

[Ed Oscuro]

It'd be best to go right to the quote...

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9061&p=574492

I'll say I thought of amps, but didn't use the term for a reason - I vaguely remembered that increased current was not the cause of the problem, but voltages increasing was a more plausible cause, and inconsistent voltage requirements is one issue often spoken of in arcade troubleshooting.

I agree about fuses - there is a fellow over at Shmups working on creating basically JAMMA extenders with self-healing fuses on all lines. I'm planning on taking a couple - would be a good way to prevent a number of problems, including the wear on contacts, if one is swapping a couple boards (for example). I really ought to look into a JAMMA extender for my SG, too, just to save some wear on its connector...

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

I'll say I thought of amps, but didn't use the term for a reason - I vaguely remembered that increased current was not the cause of the problem, but voltages increasing was a more plausible cause, and inconsistent voltage requirements is one issue often spoken of in arcade troubleshooting.


Thats the thing, a reliable ATX power supply will not raise the volts ever past the normal ATX spec, which happens to be the same volts spec Jamma uses, other then the +3.3 and -12 which you would not wire up. A defective one may bump up higher then it should, or lower them too. The key word being defective though. Its not a normal thing to do. The same can happen just as easily on a Jamma power supply if something is giving out internally. Like I said, I have seen boards that have had that happen from Jamma psu. Stacks of them, in person. This is why fuses are ideal across the board if you just want that added protection.

Usually when things like this happen with ATX power supplies, its often due to the power supply being made poorly, like a cheap chinese no name one. On types like that, they often over estimate the amps available too, and are no good for anything, jamma, pc, whatever. There are just as bad arcade psu out there too. This is why I stressed above about being picky, and not try to cheapskate it. If a vendor cant tell you who actually made the Jamma power supply, and whats inside cap wise, ect, odds are they got a bulk deal on a garbage unit that may, or may not, do the job.

Its always easy to tell if a ATX psu is junk, because you'll likely never heard of the manufacturer before, or it'll be dirt cheap and have a generic name like PowMax, hercules,ect. Most of the junky ATX psu makers have earned such a bad name out there you can google their names and bring up threads bashing them, or reviews where users go out of their way to make the psu pop to show how over rated it was..

[Ed Oscuro]

Who wants to bet that a second-party supergun maker won't use a junky PSU for a SG and then claim it's Seasonic or Antec? If you just use an arcade power supply to begin with there's much less wiggle room in components. Since the market for arcade supplies is so much smaller, it's less likely to find notoriously bad manufacturers providing the market. It's always a good idea to open up the box and look inside though (and ATX supplies seem easier to brand check, to me, anyway).

[panzeroceania]

I would do a taito g-net it's playstation 1 based and a great system, it uses little cards for games.