ps1 on hdtv

[ambriglia]

I have searched the forum for about an hour now, and i have found some helpful information, although i have not found out what i am specifically looking for...

will a ps1 play flawlessly on my samsung 40in hdtv 720p/1080i 120hz?

[Pete Rittwage]

You won't find the answer, because it's "maybe". There are too many variables involved.

[lagartija_nick]

On my brothers 50 inch Sony HDTV the Ps1 looks terrible. The character models in Parasite Eve look like blocky messes.

Much to my suprise however the PS1 looks really nice on my 23 inch Samsung.

I guess if you stick to smaller displays you will be fine. But this is just my personal experience.

I have a Saturn, Genesis, Master System hooked up through a rf converter because my display only has component and hdmi and they all look fantastic on my display.

[geezuzkhrist119]

ps1 doesnt look great on a big screen.

i played gt 2 and c&c games on my ps3, it still looked like shit.

i say go buy a 30 or lower inch tv for playing ps1

[Rickstilwell1]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of this one. Some people love it, some people hate it. On the plus side, lag is less obvious in PS1 games than it is in old 8-bit games like Super Mario Bros. because there is more to draw your attention from it.

[retroman]

stay with a old school tv...it looks better on them than on any new tv...

[Dr. Dib]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of this one. Some people love it, some people hate it. On the plus side, lag is less obvious in PS1 games than it is in old 8-bit games like Super Mario Bros. because there is more to draw your attention from it.

QFT. It is probably going to depend on what you notice. If you are one of those people who notice every single detail on your TV, you may not like how it plays. If you really don't care and just prefer the games, it may not be that big of a deal.

I'd assume if it has a lot of problems, you will notice right away. I mean can't you just test it out and see how it looks? I don't think you will do much damage to either piece of equipment.

[ambriglia]

QFT. It is probably going to depend on what you notice. If you are one of those people who notice every single detail on your TV, you may not like how it plays. If you really don't care and just prefer the games, it may not be that big of a deal.

I'd assume if it has a lot of problems, you will notice right away. I mean can't you just test it out and see how it looks? I don't think you will do much damage to either piece of equipment.
not sure if this is true, but i have heard with older systems, and this might not include a ps1, the colors used to be much brighter so it would burn an image in the tv? again, not sure how valid that statement is...

[alec006]

I have searched the forum for about an hour now, and i have found some helpful information, although i have not found out what i am specifically looking for...

will a ps1 play flawlessly on my samsung 40in hdtv 720p/1080i 120hz?

The PS1 outputs RGB at highest which is an amazing signal for older gaming systems. Resolutions range from from 256x224 to 640x480.

If you want the best picture out of the PS1 get a RGB scart cable for it. Good thing I seen most of the PS1 scart cables have audio break outs from them because scart carries audio too. From there you will have to get a scart to component adapter to translate RGB to modern tv component signals.

Second option, you could get a scart to hdmi adapter. Only problem is,the upscalling would be horrible on the native resolution of PS1 games. The audio break out wouldn't be needed cause hdmi carries audio as well.

Essentially the first option is the best for modern TV's. The second option can be done,but remember,not only is it turning an analog signal into a digital one,but the upscalling is hurting the picture quality tremendously.

At highest most games should play in 480p using component. Your TV may be nice and upscale some of the 640x480 games to 720p but not likely. Oh and I wouldn't count on 120hz unless your TV forces it,60hz would be native.

[Leo_A]

The PS1 outputs RGB at highest which is an amazing signal for older gaming systems. Resolutions range from from 256x224 to 640x480.

If you want the best picture out of the PS1 get a RGB scart cable for it. Good thing I seen most of the PS1 scart cables have audio break outs from them because scart carries audio too. From there you will have to get a scart to component adapter to translate RGB to modern tv component signals.

Second option, you could get a scart to hdmi adapter. Only problem is,the upscalling would be horrible on the native resolution of PS1 games. The audio break out wouldn't be needed cause hdmi carries audio as well.

Essentially the first option is the best for modern TV's. The second option can be done,but remember,not only is it turning an analog signal into a digital one,but the upscalling is hurting the picture quality tremendously.

At highest most games should play in 480p using component. Your TV may be nice and upscale some of the 640x480 games to 720p but not likely. Oh and I wouldn't count on 120hz unless your TV forces it,60hz would be native.

Any HDTV is going to be upscaling whatever signal the PSOne is sending it to the television's native resolution regardless of the connection method. So upscaling will also be going on through your first option. It isn't going to be just happening through your second option like you seem to think.

[kupomogli]

If you own a PS3 force the system to scale down to 480p instead of the higher resolution. Problem solved? I haven't tried this so don't know. A lot of PS2 games look amazing upscaled to 1080p though. Out of the ones I've played on my HDTV, Budokai Tenkaichi 3 looks the best. Looks much better than some PS360 games to be honest.

[alec006]

Any HDTV is going to be upscaling whatever signal the PSOne is sending it to the television's native resolution regardless of the connection method. So upscaling will also be going on through your first option. It isn't going to be just happening through your second option like you seem to think.

Yes,the first option will be upscaled to 480i by the TV. If the TV can't show 480 it will upscale it to 720i. The component signal will remain mostly untouched and processed by the TV's internal upscaling processor only, which is the best option. Besides there is no TV I know that wont show 480i.

The second option by converting a analog signal to hdmi a digital signal using a separate upscaling processor then the TV's upscaling processor the colors,luminance and chroma will be softened and won't retain their sharpness that the RGB signal originally provides.

Then again it depends on preference, maybe you want your PS1 games to be softened abit so they wont look so pixelated. But for best possible signal,component is the best you can get out of a PS1 being that component is the closest to RGB that you can get and both are analog signals.

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If you own a PS3 force the system to scale down to 480p instead of the higher resolution. Problem solved? I haven't tried this so don't know. A lot of PS2 games look amazing upscaled to 1080p though. Out of the ones I've played on my HDTV, Budokai Tenkaichi 3 looks the best. Looks much better than some PS360 games to be honest.

The PS3 is the best option if you don't wanna invest in a converter and special cable due to the fact it is of this generation and has HDMI natively. And yes it keeps the signal at 480 and lets the TV decide if it should be upscaled.

[Leo_A]

Yes,the first option will be upscaled to 480i by the TV. If the TV can't show 480 it will upscale it to 720i. The component signal will remain mostly untouched and processed by the TV's internal upscaling processor only, which is the best option. Besides there is no TV I know that wont show 480i.

The only television that will show 480i is a standard definition set or an extended definition set. Any HDTV is going to be upscaling to the television's native HD resolution any signal being sent to it besides that resolution. That's how HDTV's work. Something such as a LCD HDTV can only display a single resolution and anything else being sent to it other then it's native resolution has to be ran through the television's internal scaler to be scaled to that resolution. They physically cannot display 480i so any 480i signal has to be at least upscaled by the television (And deinterlaced unless it's a native 1080i set).

There is no such thing as 720i.


The second option by converting a analog signal to hdmi a digital signal using a separate upscaling processor then the TV's upscaling processor the colors,luminance and chroma will be softened and won't retain their sharpness that the RGB signal originally provides.

Then again it depends on preference, maybe you want your PS1 games to be softened abit so they wont look so pixelated. But for best possible signal,component is the best you can get out of a PS1 being that component is the closest to RGB that you can get and both are analog signals.

The PS3 is the best option if you don't wanna invest in a converter and special cable due to the fact it is of this generation and has HDMI natively. And yes it keeps the signal at 480 and lets the TV decide if it should be upscaled.

Again, no matter if it's the PS3 doing it through software, running it through an external scaler, or having the television's internal scaling chip do it, upscaling will have to go on to play PSOne titles on a HDTV. It's going to have to be upscaled to whatever the set's native resolution is (720p, 1080i, or 1080p).

That's been my entire point. There's no way to avoid having it be upscaled since that's the only way any HDTV is going to be able to display it. Even CRT HDTV's have a native resolution with everything besides that native resolution being fed to the television having to be scaled. Portraying one method as any different in this regard is false.

[j_factor]

But a good upscaler can be better than the one built into your TV set.

PS3 is really the best option regardless.

[Leo_A]

But a good upscaler can be better than the one built into your TV set.

Of course

If I wanted to play a PSOne title on a HDTV, I'm playing it on my PS3 and letting my PS3 do the upscaling. It's going to perform better then most 25 cent scaling chips in HDTV's will. Not to mention you'll get the benefits of a superior connection method (Component or HDMI) since for most PSOne owners, s-video is as good as it is going to get.

I just wanted to point out to anyone that reads this that there isn't anyway to get around having to upscale PSOne titles to your television's native HD resolution if you want to play them on your modern HDTV. It has to happen somewhere.

[ambriglia]

How do you go about playing ps1 titles on the ps3? I assume you are suggesting to download the ps1 games to the ps3?

[alec006]

How do you go about playing ps1 titles on the ps3? I assume you are suggesting to download the ps1 games to the ps3?

You either buy them on the PlayStation Marketplace or you insert the original PS1 disc into the drive,the PS3 is backward compatible with the PS1. The PS2 however is unsupported unless you have one of the first models.

[ambriglia]

Haha! wow! im an idiot! ROFL

I honestly had no idea that the ps3 was backwards compatible with the ps1. i assumed it wasnt because my ps3 is not backwards compatible with ps2 games. rediculous...

[M15fit]

Yeah the post is 6 days old.
I Have been messing around with ps1 games to look good through the ps1,2,3, xbox emu, Bleemcast. To be completely honest? The games look better through emulation on a 4 year old laptop that supports openGl/D3D. I've denied myself of this trying to be a purist, Stuff that, Grab a laptop, a sixaxis controller, a vga cable and download epsxe, chances are you won't look back. I mean the few games i've played through this method on an old Compaq N61 look stunning in comparison to console method. I'm playing deception 3 at 1360 x 768 with pete's open gl, It looks amazing.

[j_factor]

There is no such thing as 720i.

I have PS3 games that insinuate otherwise.

[Leo_A]

I have PS3 games that insinuate otherwise.

My fault.

I only used Wikipedia to confirm my statement and the 720i entry is being guarded by a couple of people that claim it doesn't exist since no broadcasting in 720i occurs. That's despite many people pointing out like you did that PS3 and 360 games support it and many HDTV's can show it.

[kedawa]

The scaler in my Sharp Aquos butchers PS1 graphics at certain resolutions.
Castlevania SotN looks especially bad.

I'll take that over the nightmare of PSX emulation.

[M15fit]

The scaler in my Sharp Aquos butchers PS1 graphics at certain resolutions.
Castlevania SotN looks especially bad.

I'll take that over the nightmare of PSX emulation.



That's exactly how i used to feel, But emulation is currently pretty good. I have the old laptop with radeon 7500 setup to make a clear image, nothing over the top, but at the level that you'd have felt in the day of the psx. I guess it makes things look new again? I can easily admit i'm not an emulation fan, though i've sold out with the psx

[Richter Belmount]

Im just trying to imagine how much blockier final fantasy 7 would look in 1080p.

[wingzrow]

If you're playing old games, play them on an old tv. Otherwise emulate them so you can upscale the image.