More Than One Version of The SNES Model 1? [Archive]

wingzrow

05-27-2010, 11:28 PM

So I got a spare super nintendo today from the salvation army and immediately tested it out to see if it worked. Sure enough, it boots up just fine, but something was definitely off. Switching back my original snes It hit me. The other one's picture was noticeably more blurry.

I opened both up and the actual insides seem to be different on each. Mainly, one motherboard is labeled 1991, and the other is labeled 1995. The later, being the one that has worse picture. Both were run on the exact same tv with the same S-video cord & power supply.

Can anyone explain this?

Do certain models of the original SNES just not run well in S-video or is there another issue completely here?

izarate

05-28-2010, 12:50 AM

There are five revisions of the original SNES SNS-001:

SHVC-CPU-01
SNS-GPM-CPU-01
SNS-GPM-CPU-02
SNS-RGB-CPU-01
SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01

The weird part concerning your post is that video was actually improved. Earlier SNES revs (SHVCs and GPMs) use the old ROHM BA6592F encoder(S-ENC). The RGBs and 1CHIPs use the BA6595F (S-RGB) and SNES Jr. use the BA6596F (S-RGB A).

Maybe the unit you tested is picking up interference? The older SNESes had a bulkier RF shield. Also, a capacitor or some other component on the video circuit might be going out.

wingzrow

05-28-2010, 01:49 AM

Interference is unlikely, as I removed the shielding completely under the assumption that that would fix the issue. I guess it's just a dieing system. It's barely noticeable unless you play them side by side but the difference is there.

BetaWolf47

05-28-2010, 10:04 AM

Oh great, another system with a bunch of variants in video quality. Please tell me it's not as crazy as the sheer amount of Genesis variants!

izarate

05-28-2010, 03:19 PM

It really isn't that different. The most noticeable improvement comes with the BA6596F ("S-RBG A") which doesn't produce the faint vertical lines at the center of the screen:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3029/img2327vg0.jpg

Apart from that, picture sharpness and quality is almost the same except for a marginal improvement in color separation (most noticeable with S-Video):
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/izarate/guia/snes2svid10.jpghttp://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/izarate/guia/snes2svid11.jpg
Left: BA6592, Right: BA6595/96

theclaw

05-30-2010, 01:22 AM

Oh great, another system with a bunch of variants in video quality. Please tell me it's not as crazy as the sheer amount of Genesis variants!

Ugh. The thought of how horrible the video quality of some Genesis units is... My plan is to sell what I've got left and start over with a proper condition one down the road.

izarate

05-30-2010, 04:01 PM

At least it's not as crazy as the Genesis since the BA6592 and the BA6595/96 use different support circuitry and their pinouts are different also so they aren't drop in replacements (unlike the CXA1145, MB3514 and KA2195) meaning that you won't find a BA6592 on a newer SNES.

Retromangia

06-04-2010, 04:37 PM

Hey Izrate...

thanks for providing this great info! I've always thought some of my SNES have better image quality than others... but could never find any info on this.

My question for you is... which model is best? and where can i find this model # on the system itself? The newer models are so much lighter than the old ones as far as weight goes too I've noticed.

lastly, I've noticed while using S-video on SNES.. there seems to be a fairly thick faint Purple vertical line on the screen... is this due to the model # I'm using? I'm using Monster S-video cables which were brand new in package.

thanks for all your help!

izarate

06-17-2010, 05:05 PM

which model is best? and where can i find this model # on the system itself?

I'd say the best is the SNES 2 for the BA6596F encoder; for the SNES 1 I'd say the best are the SNS-CPU-RGB-01 and SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01.

The revision is printed on the PCB:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4918/copiadecopiadesnscpu1ch.jpg

lastly, I've noticed while using S-video on SNES.. there seems to be a fairly thick faint Purple vertical line on the screen...

I assume you mean this:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6034/img2328sr3.jpg

Refer to my previous post: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1727195&postcount=5

dreamcaster

06-23-2010, 10:04 PM

I get that faint band occurring on my Super Famicom, but not on my US SNES.

I also get a bit of blurriness around the edges of text and sprites on my SFC, something which my US SNES doesn't do.

izarate

07-11-2010, 07:30 PM

A little bit of extra info.

I recently found an SNES PCB rev. SNS-CPU-GPM-02 sporting an "S-ENC B" chip, it being the BA6594F...so, that means that there must be an "S-ENC A" which most likely is the BA6593F.

So:
S-ENC = ROHM BA6592F
S-ENC A = ROHM BA6593F *conjecture*
S-ENC B = ROHM BA6594F
Every S-ENC are pin compatible

S-RBG = ROHM BA6595F
S-RGB A = ROHM BA6596F
Every S-RGB are pin compatible

SNES SNS-001:
Encoders found in rev. SHVCs and GPMs: S-ENC, A, B
Encoders found in rev. RGBs and 1CHIPs: S-RGB (*confirmed*), S-RGB A (*conjecture since they are pin compatible*)

SNES SNS-101:
S-RGB A (I've been through several and all of them have it)

BA6591/92/93/94 pinout:
*working*

BA6595/96 pinout:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7780/srgba.jpg

savageone

01-03-2011, 12:31 PM

Since I have a stack of SNES systems right now I decided to look into hardware revisions so I could decide which to keep. One of the systems I opened has the board SNS-CPU-RGB-02, so I guess there are at least 6 revisions of the model 1 now?

So out of the 4 I opened 3 of them are SNS-CPU-GPM-01 and 1 is SNS-CPU-RGB-02. I have 3 more I don't even think are worth bothering with since they look to probably be the original board (a bit heavier, silver serial # sticker on the bottom).

savageone

01-03-2011, 08:01 PM

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae62/s1pbuck/board1r.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae62/s1pbuck/ba6596fr.jpg

Okay spent some more time doing a few tests of the SNS-CPU-RGB-02. My notes are:

- Uses S-RGB A BA6596F encoder, same as SNS-101 or model 2 SNES systems. Seems to be the best video encoder for SNES systems according to izarate's findings.
- Does S-Video output native unlike SNS-101/model 2 SNES systems. I'm not sure why the SNES 2 systems don't do S-video off hand but it's a major down side of those systems no doubt.
- My NTSC SNES RGB cable works great with this system where my SNS-CPU-GPM-01 system would display a very bright/washed out picture. There has been a lot of confusion with NTSC SNES RGB cables where an extra cap needs to be installed, this might all boil down to a board revision problem which I've never seen it mentioned.

Hopefully more people can contribute so we can figure out what is truly the "best" SNES board revision and exactly how many exist. A lot of work like this has been done for the Genesis side but not the SNES.

raylydiard

01-03-2011, 09:07 PM

very bright/washed out picture happened to me with my gamegube once
i had to replace the cable.

savageone

01-05-2011, 12:23 PM

One more thing to note is the annoying faint band/vertical line in the center of the screen is still present with the RGB-02, isn't there some fix for this problem? I guess most people don't notice it but I find it very annoying.

izarate

01-08-2011, 12:37 AM

- Uses S-RGB A BA6596F encoder, same as SNS-101 or model 2 SNES systems. Seems to be the best video encoder for SNES systems according to izarate's findings.
- Does S-Video output native unlike SNS-101/model 2 SNES systems. I'm not sure why the SNES 2 systems don't do S-video off hand but it's a major down side of those systems no doubt.
- My NTSC SNES RGB cable works great with this system where my SNS-CPU-GPM-01 system would display a very bright/washed out picture. There has been a lot of confusion with NTSC SNES RGB cables where an extra cap needs to be installed, this might all boil down to a board revision problem which I've never seen it mentioned.

Hopefully more people can contribute so we can figure out what is truly the "best" SNES board revision and exactly how many exist. A lot of work like this has been done for the Genesis side but not the SNES.

WOW! I've never seen that one before!!! :o

This is very exciting, I thought that I had seen every SNES revision so far. So, yeah, this ups the number of confirmed board revisions to 6.

It's possible to restore the S-Video on a SNES 2. Nintendo just removed the handful of components that were used for the S-Video output: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126959

So you still get the vertical line with the S-RGB A??? :eek: I really thought that the S-RGB A was the fix to that. :frustrated:

It might be that the line is a degenerative issue present in the SNES 1 models :? I've used my modded SNES 2 for 8 years now and the line hasn't shown up. The SNES 2 S-Video mod that I posted doesn't restore every component but almost every modern CRT seemed to process the signal without issue so I left it at that. If I recall correctly, the SNES 1 has a couple of transistors and inductors in the S-Video output in addition to the capacitors so it might be that they are wearing out and that produces the vertical line. *_*

Anyway, the BA6596F (S-RGB A) was the latest ROHM RGB encoder used in the SNES so it should provide the best picture.

Zing

04-13-2011, 01:15 AM

I'm planning to acquire a SNES soon, so this thread interests me.

Is this "vertical band" problem only when using s-video? Will composite video not have this artifact on any revision of the SNES?

What is the native output of the SNES? For example, the NES video chip outputs composite. I was under the impression that the SNES video chip outputs RGB, then the video encoder chip(s) convert it to the other types if needed.

Is there any way to know if you have a particular revision based on external markings? I know the difference between the "new" and "old" case (printed vs molded "eject", etc), but if there are several hardware revisions, is there any indication on the outside? Maybe something as simple as a certain serial number range?

izarate

04-18-2011, 07:03 PM

Is this "vertical band" problem only when using s-video? Will composite video not have this artifact on any revision of the SNES?

The line is present in both composite and S-Video. RGB seems to not produce it. As far as I can tell, it seems to be a degenerative issue (failing capacitors maybe?) I thought that the S-RGB encoder chips didn't produce the line but others are reporting that it does so maybe it's just that my SNES 2 hasn't shown it yet.

What is the native output of the SNES? For example, the NES video chip outputs composite. I was under the impression that the SNES video chip outputs RGB, then the video encoder chip(s) convert it to the other types if needed.

The ROHM encoders take RGB so I'd say that it produces RGB. I'm not entirely sure, tought.

Is there any way to know if you have a particular revision based on external markings? I know the difference between the "new" and "old" case (printed vs molded "eject", etc), but if there are several hardware revisions, is there any indication on the outside? Maybe something as simple as a certain serial number range?

There are a few things that can help you identify groups of PCB versions:

SHVCs:
- FCC information is in a label underneath the console.
- Molded "EJECT"
- Cartridge connector edges are silver (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: All silver connectors can be replaced.

GPMs:
- FCC information is molded on the underside of the console
- Printed "EJECT"
- Small grey label close to the power switch
- Cartridge connector edges are silver (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: All silver connectors can be replaced.

RGBs, 1CHIPs:
- FCC information is molded on the underside of the console
- Printed "EJECT"
- Small grey label close to the power switch
- Cartridge connector edges are black (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: Black edged connectors are fixed and cannot be replaced.

cynicalhat

04-19-2011, 11:50 AM

There are a few things that can help you identify groups of PCB versions:

SHVCs:
- FCC information is in a label underneath the console.
- Molded "EJECT"
- Cartridge connector edges are silver (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: All silver connectors can be replaced.

GPMs:
- FCC information is molded on the underside of the console
- Printed "EJECT"
- Small grey label close to the power switch
- Cartridge connector edges are silver (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: All silver connectors can be replaced.

RGBs, 1CHIPs:
- FCC information is molded on the underside of the console
- Printed "EJECT"
- Small grey label close to the power switch
- Cartridge connector edges are black (open the cartridge slot cover and look through the little slits on the edge of the plastic around the connector)
Note: Black edged connectors are fixed and cannot be replaced.

I just opened an SHVC-CPU-01 I've had since a teenager and it doest NOT have a molded eject button. it was definitely printed.

*(edit)i think you have the eject button type swapped on the GPM's and SVCH's.

DaddyLongLegs

08-16-2011, 08:59 AM

The line is present in both composite and S-Video. RGB seems to not produce it.

Just a head's up, I have an old and new SNES model 1 and they both produce the vertical band in RGB.

SNES2/Jr. completely gets rid of it. However, I really like the design of the original US SNES so it kinda stinks I have to use the SNES2 to get rid of the problem :(

Zing

08-16-2011, 03:39 PM

I assume you mean the SNES model 2 does not have the vertical band when using RGB, as it is definitely there with composite.

I agree with you about the case design. In particular, I dislike the lack of colour. The words "super nintendo" are moulded along with the rest of the case with no colour.

DaddyLongLegs

08-17-2011, 10:55 AM

I assume you mean the SNES model 2 does not have the vertical band when using RGB, as it is definitely there with composite.

I just checked, the streak is not there with composite. I have a pretty keen eye for this stuff, so maybe you and I are talking about different things? For reference, I see it on the SNES 1 no matter what (composite, s-video, or RGB).

I agree with you about the case design. In particular, I dislike the lack of colour. The words "super nintendo" are moulded along with the rest of the case with no colour.

Yeah, it looks cheap, most of my friends think it's a bootleg, and it loses all nostalgia points. If there were only a way to get the SNES 2 video quality out of an SNES 1!

MrMikeCH

09-18-2011, 05:25 PM

hi everyone

sorry for my interuption.
i have a snsp-cpu-02 mainboard with an s-enc a encoder.

i want to tap the rgbs signals before the enter the encoder (im really sorry for ppl and regions which need encoders) and then adjust the levels.

are there no pinouts for the s-enc a or better for the ppus to tao the signals right at source??

again sorry if im interupting but this was the best place to ask i found

Zing

09-21-2011, 01:39 AM

I just checked, the streak is not there with composite. I have a pretty keen eye for this stuff, so maybe you and I are talking about different things? For reference, I see it on the SNES 1 no matter what (composite, s-video, or RGB).

I have the USA model 2, using composite, and the vertical band is very clearly there when playing games such as Yoshi's Island, Earthbound, and Super Metroid.

xelement5x

11-01-2011, 11:10 PM

Sorry to necro-bump here, but I just opened up my SNES to try and match it up with those in this thread and it's not listed. The revision states C 1995 Nintendo, SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02. If I wanted to RGB or S-video mod this would I run into any major issues in revisions?

APE992

11-02-2011, 01:45 AM

That brightness bit almost looks like what is called a "hum bar" but I've never seen one that was vertical and stationary.

theclaw

11-02-2011, 01:12 PM

Well I think you shouldn't need a mod for that.

Only the smaller SNES lacks RGB and s-video, yet it was never released in PAL where RGB users are most commonly found.

xelement5x

11-02-2011, 08:03 PM

Well I think you shouldn't need a mod for that.

Only the smaller SNES lacks RGB and s-video, yet it was never released in PAL where RGB users are most commonly found.

What do you mean I don't need a mod? Is there a S-Video cable for the SNES or something?

theclaw

11-02-2011, 09:36 PM

Yes. Even at least US and Japan boxes are known to exist. While how they were distributed and the number of units made remain sketchy, it's far easier to obtain the JPN one complete in box if you must have a box.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/S-Terminal-Cable-SF-Parts-JP-GAME-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqV,!hUE6cefp35+BOn3YsUbgg~~60_3.JPG

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4029&d=1319599616

xelement5x

11-03-2011, 04:28 PM

Well color me surprised! I guess that's what I'll need to keep an eye out for.

xuande

11-06-2011, 04:51 AM

As far as I know, the SNES, N64 and GameCube all have cross compatible multi-outs, so an s-video cable from one should work for the other. Really easy to find on eBay.

theclaw

11-06-2011, 05:14 AM

Well that begs the question whether N64 or GameCube branded cables had an official release though... Could be tough, virtually everyone tosses out such boxes.

DaddyLongLegs

01-31-2012, 11:48 AM

I know this thread is pretty old but I found something others might find interesting.

The only humanly possible way I was able to see the thick vertical line in the SNES mini was if I used a PowerPak from retrousb.com. It was clear as day during the title screen of Final Fantasy 6. When using the real cart, it was barely there (and I mean barely). On the model 1 SNES, real cart or PowerPak, the thick line is noticeable in pretty much every game imaginable.

Also worthy of note is that I also own an SNES Everdrive (a different "brand" of flash cart for the SNES) and the line is barely noticeable in FF6 on the model 2. This tells me the thick line has something to do with some sort of interference, or perhaps more power being drained from the SNES, when using the PowerPak. This is particularly interesting because I own an RGB modded AV Famicom (a console designed specifically to get rid of the jailbars in the NES image) and the only time the jailbars ever show up? When using the NES Powerpak.

Polygon

01-31-2012, 12:38 PM

DaddyLongLegs

02-01-2012, 09:37 AM

I am trying to get my hands on a model 1 US SNES that has a BA6596F chip inside it. If I read this thread right, it's only available in model 1 SNES systems from the US with a number of SNS-CPU-RGB-02 on the motherboard.

I have been to my local retro game store, and found several SNES systems with the black plastic on the sides of the cart slot in the SNES. But reading this thread, it seems like it can be either a SNS-CPU-RGB-01, SNS-CPU-RGB-02, or an SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. Is this correct?

If so, it has been determined that SNS-CPU-RGB-02 is actually newer than SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01? I am speculating because the SNS-CPU-RGB-02 has the better BA6596F chip the SNES 2 has. Did I get this all right so far?

If this is all the case, is there any way to be 100% certain I am getting a BA6596F chip inside an SNES using external factors so I don't have to open 20 SNES systems with black around the cartridge slot?

Zing

02-20-2012, 11:54 PM

I am trying to get my hands on a model 1 US SNES that has a BA6596F chip inside it. If I read this thread right, it's only available in model 1 SNES systems from the US with a number of SNS-CPU-RGB-02 on the motherboard.
Yes.

I have been to my local retro game store, and found several SNES systems with the black plastic on the sides of the cart slot in the SNES. But reading this thread, it seems like it can be either a SNS-CPU-RGB-01, SNS-CPU-RGB-02, or an SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. Is this correct?
Yes.

If so, it has been determined that SNS-CPU-RGB-02 is actually newer than SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01? I am speculating because the SNS-CPU-RGB-02 has the better BA6596F chip the SNES 2 has. Did I get this all right so far?
Yes.

If this is all the case, is there any way to be 100% certain I am getting a BA6596F chip inside an SNES using external factors so I don't have to open 20 SNES systems with black around the cartridge slot?
No.

Zing

02-21-2012, 12:06 AM

I will also offer my opinion that the difference in quality between the encoders seems arbitrary at best. Some people report better image with older encoders, and some with newer. Some report the vertical band in the middle of the screen and some do not.

My experience is that the "SNES Jr" offers a worse image than my original heavy model 1 (the one with the separate sound daughterboard). My SNES Jr was brand new in box, and the image appeared to be overdriven, causing ghosting and the vertical line to be very pronounced. Whites were bluish (like a 9300k temp) instead of neutral/reddish like the model 1 (6500k temp). I can't say if this is due to the encoder itself, but the video output was clearly inferior.

xelement5x

02-21-2012, 03:22 PM

I'd also say that if you're in good with your retro game shop they might be willing to let you slightly disassemble the console to see if it's got the specs you're looking for. Back in college the local Game Xchange was willing to open up like 4 different Saturn's for me until I found the model I was looking for, needless to said they definitely gained my gratitude and a lot of future business.

DaddyLongLegs

04-06-2012, 11:36 AM

Ok, since this forum (and thread especially) have been so helpful, I can post some results after buying all existing SNES models.

All model 1 systems have poor picture quality, except for the SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. The SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01 looks just about as good as the SNES2, except it still has that ugly thick discolored bar in the middle. I desoldered the RF modulator and I did not see the thick ugly bar improve. The bar is way more noticeable using a PowerPak (the EverDrive does not suffer from this).

Interestingly, the newer SNS-CPU-RGB-02 has terrible picture quality. I find this interesting because according to what I've read, the SNS-CPU-RGB-02 is actually a newer revision than the SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. Also, it is the only model 1 to have the BA6596F. So, apparently, the BA6596F being in the SNES2 is not why the SNES2 has an awesome picture.

Hopefully this info is useful to some people.

raylydiard

04-28-2012, 02:02 PM

i have this baord sns-cpu-1chip-01 but would like to swithless mod it any help what pins i need to lift thanks.

I'd say the best is the SNES 2 for the BA6596F encoder; for the SNES 1 I'd say the best are the SNS-CPU-RGB-01 and SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01.

The revision is printed on the PCB:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4918/copiadecopiadesnscpu1ch.jpg

I assume you mean this:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6034/img2328sr3.jpg

Refer to my previous post: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1727195&postcount=5

APE992

04-28-2012, 04:06 PM

More info here:

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?38581-Best-SNES-revision

DarthCloud would probably appreciate anyone sending him their PCB revision+serial number for his database.

wiggyx

05-01-2012, 11:21 PM

So, there seems to be virtually no info about the revision that I have here in front of me. It's an "SNS-CPU-APU-1" (1995). Anyone have some insight into this revision? Should I snap some pics?

DaddyLongLegs

05-09-2012, 06:01 PM

So, there seems to be virtually no info about the revision that I have here in front of me. It's an "SNS-CPU-APU-1" (1995). Anyone have some insight into this revision? Should I snap some pics?

Absolutely! Be sure to get some of the encoder as well.
Do you have any idea if it has the better image quality like the 1 chip produces?

BetaWolf47

05-10-2012, 01:14 AM

I popped open my childhood system to find that I have an SNS-GPM-CPU-02. I couldn't find the model number anywhere, couldn't be bothered to remove the RF shielding.

That guy on Assembler is crazy about not being able to see a vertical line on Jr. systems. That thing is there on anything with a big, solid black color screen.

wiggyx

05-11-2012, 12:48 AM

Absolutely! Be sure to get some of the encoder as well.
Do you have any idea if it has the better image quality like the 1 chip produces?

I have no idea. I can do some testing though if anyone is interested. I have a 1 chip SFC to compare with. I'll snap some pics tomorrow if I can find the time. Over the weekend if not :)

wiggyx

05-14-2012, 11:00 AM

Through S-video it looks about the same as my 1-chip SFC, but neither look nearly as crisp as the SNS-101 with S-vid. Don't know if that sort of difference is typical between 1-chips and modded minis.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/DSC02519.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/DSC02523.jpg

DaddyLongLegs

05-18-2012, 06:38 AM

Ok, here's something weird.
I have three SNES model 2's and as we know the model 2's have the BA6596F. Well I opened all of them up today and I found one of them does not have the BA6596F! In fact, it has one I never heard of before:

http://i.imgur.com/0EDC2.jpg

What's that about??

APE992

05-18-2012, 12:41 PM

The S-RGB? I've heard of the chip before.

Damn shame it can't have component video pulled from it though. Yes, component:
http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=74

No more need for Sony PVM displays if you're an American to get top notch video quality.

DaddyLongLegs

05-18-2012, 01:34 PM

The S-RGB? I've heard of the chip before.

Well they all say S-RGB. Just the first time I ever seen a model 2 that does not have a BA6596F.

APE992

05-18-2012, 05:11 PM

Well they all say S-RGB. Just the first time I ever seen a model 2 that does not have a BA6596F.

I stand corrected.

wiggyx

06-12-2012, 02:08 PM

Absolutely! Be sure to get some of the encoder as well.
Do you have any idea if it has the better image quality like the 1 chip produces?

Finally got around to testing the output of a few of my different systems. Looks like the CPU-APU that I have produces an image nearly identical to a 1chip.

APU-CPU

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNESAPU-1.jpg

1-CHIP

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNES1-chip.jpg

S-VID modded SNS-101

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNESmini1.jpg

RaveDojek

07-27-2012, 10:24 PM

I've created this account specifically to reply to this thread.

This thread contains a lot of technical data. What I was hoping to accomplish with my Google search was to find out what the "best SNES model" is. What I meant by that was, which UNMODDED SNES model will provide me with the best gamer experience(audio/video). I'm currently in possesion of three SNES', "SNS-CPU-APU-01", "SHVC-CPU-01" and "SNS-CPU-RGB-02". My question now is: of these three, which will provide me the best gamer experience UNMODDED and which will be the best MODDED?

If the known motherboards could be ranked from best to worst MODDED and best to worst UNMODDED, I think that would simplify things greatly and this tread could be locked and sticky'd. :)

APE992

07-27-2012, 10:46 PM

None of the above. The 1CHIP model is considered "the best" in picture quality unmodified. I'll be getting a 1CHIP SNES soon to compare to a non 1CHIP model using native RGB.

RaveDojek

07-27-2012, 11:47 PM

None of the above. The 1CHIP model is considered "the best" in picture quality unmodified. I'll be getting a 1CHIP SNES soon to compare to a non 1CHIP model using native RGB.

I did not find your post very helpful. As I see it, of the three I listed one has to be better than the others. As for the "1CHIP", wiggyx claims that the "SNS-CPU-APU-01" is comparable to the "1CHIP". Anything to say for that? And could someone please post the complete part number of the "1CHIP" ?

AGAIN: If the known motherboards could be ranked from best to worst MODDED and best to worst UNMODDED, I think that would simplify things greatly and this tread could be locked and sticky'd. :)

APE992

07-28-2012, 12:37 AM

I did not find your post very helpful. As I see it, of the three I listed one has to be better than the others. As for the "1CHIP", wiggyx claims that the "SNS-CPU-APU-01" is comparable to the "1CHIP". Anything to say for that? And could someone please post the complete part number of the "1CHIP" ?

AGAIN: If the known motherboards could be ranked from best to worst MODDED and best to worst UNMODDED, I think that would simplify things greatly and this tread could be locked and sticky'd. :)

I don't get paid enough to custom tailor my posts - they are geared towards people capable of using Google and some basic search terms. "comparable" and "are completely, 100% the same" are not the same concept and while it may be comparable a $20 steak is not the same thing as a $5 steak.

SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01 and SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02 are the models.

I don't see the need to lock or sticky this topic.

theclaw

07-28-2012, 01:47 AM

wiggyx

07-30-2012, 11:15 PM

No need for that, model 2 makes it irrelevant. Beats all three at once.

Only when modded.

APE992

07-31-2012, 01:32 AM

Only when modded.

RGB out of the mini is gorgeous. I've done two so far and they don't need amps or any monkeying around.

That said the model 1 is pretty damn nice with RGB.

j1e

09-04-2012, 01:00 AM

What's up with this? I have 4 model 1 SNES systems right now: SHVC-CPU-01, SNS-GPM-CPU-01, SNS-GPM-CPU-02, and the SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. Now, this is concerning a couple of games and maybe even more. Pocky & Rocky and Super Ghouls and Ghosts are glitchy as hell on my SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. Pocky & Rocky will flicker right when you turn it on and even sometimes freeze up when I get about 5 minutes or so into it. On SGaG, Arthur is very glitchy when he moves and the game all around is just a mess to play with the glitchy-ass graphics.

When I play these 2 games on any of the other variants I own, there are no problems whatsoever. Both games are play smoothly and no freezing up. Is anyone else having these problems on their SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01 when they play these 2 games? If you don't know and don't mind, check them out on your SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01 (if you're sure you have this variant) and see if they are just as glitchy. Reading through different threads here and on other gaming forums, the SNES variant one would prefer to own (other than the SNES 2/Jr) is the SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. I have thoroughly cleaned the games' contacts and all of my systems' pin connectors. And it also should be noted than I'm using the cartridges and not a Powerpak/Everdrive.

I'd like to rectify this problem because I love my SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. It's minty as hell and has barely been used. I guess if it came down to it, I could switch out the MOBO for a GPM-CPU-01 or GPM-CPU-02. But like I said, I'd rather not and fix this one if it's fixable.

edit: All other games, as far as I've seen, play just fine on my SNS-1CHIP-CPU-01. I have around 150 games and have played a little to quite a bit of each one, but these 2 happen to be a couple of my favorites.

Any help would be appreciative.

Ninjamohawk

07-17-2013, 11:28 AM

Sorry to necro this thread once again but I wanted to add my two cents (snesnts? ;D)

I have two snes': an SHVC-CPU-01 and an SNS-GPM-CPU-02. Gotta say for whatever reason I don't get the discolored bar down the middle of the screen with the SHVC. I do with the GPM 02 though. Badly.

Also the SHVC has much, much better and more full sound. Assuming this is due to it's huge sexy looking SHVC SOUND box.