What is the best NES CLONE console? I have conditions.

[OldSchoolGamer]

OK, there seems to be several including ones that play also SNES / Genesis etc. Here's the thing, my ONLY NES hardware is my FC Mobile II Handheld, fine and dandy but I want a console. OF COURSE I KNOW overall the original Toaster is best but I hate the issues with reliability with the pins etc. I would like recommendations on the best overall NES Clone console keeping in mind I would like the following features IF POSSIBLE. Please post your opinions, comments, experience:

Would prefer:

1. Decent game compatibility.
2. Game Genie compatibility.
3. PowerPak from Retrozone Compatibility.
4. Composite video out.
5. Acceptable sound.

Now I know the die hards will insist on a real NES but is there any clone that meets the above criteria? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

:cheers:

[Oldskool]

Honestly, I was pretty happy with my later release FC Twin. Had good compatibility (except with the usuals like castlevania III), the sound was *ok* for a clone, not NES perfect, but most games not bad. The graphics were great, not much of a difference.

If I was your common Joe Blow, I'd probably not be able to tell the differences. Carts fit nice, not too tight (once it was broken in). The SNES side worked GREAT. Sounded/Looked/Played perfect on the SNES side, I could not tell a difference. The controllers are somewhat MEH, but I used my SNES controllers in mine, the cords were longer anyways. Also has standard composite A/V out, so easy to find cords for it.

As far as powerpak compatibility, I would think that it would work, everything else worked in it except for Castlevania III (that was the only game I had an issue with). I don't know if it will work or not however.

Oh yeah, the Zapper won't work in it because it has SNES controller ports.. but who cares really. Not sure if the Super Scope works or not, I am not much of a big Zapper fan so I didn't care much.

[mobiusclimber]

The big problem is that all clone systems are made cheaply and, thus, prone to breaking. You talk about reliability issues w/ the NES "toasters," and yet they have been around for almost 20 years now (or is it longer?) and many of them still work fine and dandy. You can't say the same for these clone systems. And when THEY break, there's no blowing in em or bending pins, it's usually the plastic has cracked or something.

I had a Messiah Generation NEX, which I got for hte Famicom compatibility only. When I realized it didn't play half the Famicom carts I had (or play them correctly, anyway) I sold the system on Amazon to someone who almost immediately broke it. Thankfully the buyer knew they were responsible (that cart slot is a tight bitch and I'd been using it for awhile before selling it, but it was still tight) so I didn't have any trouble over it, but can you imagine?

I'll stick w/ original hardware, thanks. My toaster works perfectly and I've done absolutely nothing to get it to work perfectly. Most of them just require a good cleaning. It's not difficult and you'll have a system that lasts a lifetime.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

OK, there seems to be several including ones that play also SNES / Genesis etc. Here's the thing, my ONLY NES hardware is my FC Mobile II Handheld, fine and dandy but I want a console. OF COURSE I KNOW overall the original Toaster is best but I hate the issues with reliability with the pins etc. I would like recommendations on the best overall NES Clone console keeping in mind I would like the following features IF POSSIBLE. Please post your opinions, comments, experience:

Would prefer:

1. Decent game compatibility.
2. Game Genie compatibility.
3. PowerPak from Retrozone Compatibility.
4. Composite video out.
5. Acceptable sound.

Now I know the die hards will insist on a real NES but is there any clone that meets the above criteria? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

:cheers:

Retro Duo is the way to go. Check the thread! http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114088

Some of the best compatibility including Castlevania III, confirmed to work with the Power Pak (which we also got to work fine with an FC3 unit at PAX East) by DP Users, composite/S-Video options and very acceptable sound.

You can also use genuine SNES controllers, which is always nice.

While the SNES Game Genie will work fine with the Retro Duo, I'm uncertain if an NES Game Genie will fit into any top-loader style unit, clone or otherwise without one of these adapters:

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/genie-adapter-2.jpg

[Dred]

Definitely, the best NES/Famiclone is Dendy/Pegasus IQ-502 rev 1, but I don't think that is possible to get 'em via eBay. Also, they should not work with US TVs (50Hz).

Why? No black bubbles on PCB, hardware very similar to original Famicom, huge compatibility with NTSC US titles (not so good with PAL games -> vide Asterix) using 72->60 adapter, full compatibility with VRC games (Madara, Langrange Point). Alnd the last thing -> design. Just great. :)
http://best-access.pl/marcin/allegro/foto/iq-502/photos1m.jpg

[OldSchoolGamer]

Interesting responses, giving me a lot to think about and consider, much appreciated, any other comments or thoughts PLEASE chime in thanks!

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[squirrel_king]

Definitely, the best NES/Famiclone is Dendy/Pegasus IQ-502 rev 1, but I don't think that is possible to get 'em via eBay. Also, they should not work with US TVs (50Hz).

Why? No black bubbles on PCB, hardware very similar to original Famicom, huge compatibility with NTSC US titles (not so good with PAL games -> vide Asterix) using 72->60 adapter, full compatibility with VRC games (Madara, Langrange Point). Alnd the last thing -> design. Just great. :)

It's actually made by TXC/Micro Genius - other Micro Genius models (IQ-501, IQ-701, IQ-1000/2000 with wireless controllers etc) are basically the same hardware-wise. You can even get 60hz versions in some parts of the world (and a 72-pin version of the IQ-701). Plus theyre compatible with original Famicom accessories.

But, yeah, you do have to watch out for later revisions - they switched to a less compatible NOAC design. And new Micro Geniuses (mostly sold in Turkey) are just rebranded generic clones, they don't have anything to do with the original company.

[PSony]

There is a new NES/SNES/Genesis clone by Hyperkin called the RetroN 3 that
accepts original controllers and has s-video output for SNES/Genesis:

http://stoneagegamer.com/images/products/detail/SAG001761_front01.jpg

[ReTrO-pLaYeR]

The Yobo FC is what I have, and it works perfectly fine. My only problem is that it has only one audio cable, meaning the sound is REALLY low (I have to crank it up to a volume of 70 to hear it as well as I'd like). The sound is also just a tad bit different, at least in pitch but it's hard to even notice unless you've actually played the original NES. It works well with the accessories, but I have yet to test a game genie or unlicensed Tengen cartridges on it. I've had it for a few years, and it hasn't shown any signs of dying on me. The controllers can act strange for a few moments if they aren't cleaned properly so be aware of that.

It's very inexpensive for a clone console. I've heard people getting them for 20 bucks on the internet.

[Arkhan]

OK, there seems to be several including ones that play also SNES / Genesis etc. Here's the thing, my ONLY NES hardware is my FC Mobile II Handheld, fine and dandy but I want a console. OF COURSE I KNOW overall the original Toaster is best but I hate the issues with reliability with the pins etc. I would like recommendations on the best overall NES Clone console keeping in mind I would like the following features IF POSSIBLE. Please post your opinions, comments, experience:

Would prefer:

1. Decent game compatibility.
2. Game Genie compatibility.
3. PowerPak from Retrozone Compatibility.
4. Composite video out.
5. Acceptable sound.

Now I know the die hards will insist on a real NES but is there any clone that meets the above criteria? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

:cheers:

I will go with the FC Twin also. Some elitist dumbasses will go THE SOUND IS OFF. IF YOU DON'T AGREE YOU'RE NOT AN AUDIOPHILE. and try to make you feel stupid/inferior.

Ignore them. They don't know what they're talking about.

Side by Side comparisons to a real NES (front and top loader), disprove any sound problems.

Mine works w/ all of the above mentioned crap, has composite out, and if you snap the little tabs off inside, will play SFC games also.......get a convertor for NES, and you play FC also. So thats 4 systems in one unit, for like, 35 monies.... can't go wrong with that man!

Do it!


You miss out on like 3 games. CV3 is the only one I can think of, but oh well.

the only downer is the packin controllers suck. Just use real SNES controllers and you are set.

I have two FC Twins that are both about 4 years old, running strong.

[Oldskool]

Yeah the FC Twins really are pretty rock solid. Although I do think there is a difference in the sound quality, especially in the highs and lows and some sound effects like the coins in SMB.

But like you said, unless you are REALLY paying attention and have both consoles side by side, you won't notice.

[Arkhan]

Yeah the FC Twins really are pretty rock solid. Although I do think there is a difference in the sound quality, especially in the highs and lows and some sound effects like the coins in SMB.

But like you said, unless you are REALLY paying attention and have both consoles side by side, you won't notice.

right, and if you are that obnoxiously OCD about some little bleepbloops that really sound OK either way, stop whining and buy a real NES then. :)

[MarioMania]

Just buy a Retro Duo....

[kedawa]

Why is a top loader with an aftermarket cartridge port not an option?

[Ace]

For modern Famiclones, I'd take a modified RetroDuo. Out of the box, the NES side has such heavily distorted audio that some games will give you a massive earache. See for yourself(these are my videos, by the way):

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZ3Id9k0OE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvcx6-2LEgI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzf2CEG0Wo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4yMjv8IMU

Really nasty sound unless you add a 2.2Kohm resistor and a 0.1uF ceramic capacitor to the sound circuit. It is the most compatible modern-day Famiclone, however, but what good is a compatible clone if you have to play most games with no sound?

My personal recommendation is to get one of the classic Famiclones and a Ricoh 2A03 CPU. The cloned CPUs will give sound just as wrong as most NOACs, but most, if not all of the classic Famiclones, have socketed chips on the motherboard for the clones CPU and PPU. The cloned PPU can be left there, but the cloned CPU must be replaced by an original Ricoh 2A03 for proper sound. I have a MicroGenius IQ-501 on which I've replaced the CPU by a 2A03 taken out of a dead Front-Loader NES, and the sound is perfect, except that the sound output was a little bit distorted due to some resistors on the motherboard that aren't the correct value for the 2A03's sound output.

Really, though, if you want to spare yourself some trouble with Famiclones, get a RetroBit Retro Entertainment System or an FC Twin. They sound good, their picture is very nice(slight edge to the RES for its brighter picture), and their compatibility is quite good. I only had issues with 3 games: Castlevania III(crashes when starting a game), Rad Racer II(playable, but the graphics are completely screwed up) and Tengen's After Burner(no backgrounds).

[xtreme500]

Personally, I got the RetroN 1, which is basically the RetroN 3 without Genesis and SNES slots. I don't know if it has PowerPak compatibility or Game Genie compatibility, but it probably does. The sound is good on every game I have except SMB3, and also it's cheap at only $30. It puts a death grip on your cartridges, though, and the controllers that come with it are sh!t and break really easily.

Actually, the best is the Generation NEX by Messiah Entertainment, but good luck getting that for under $200.

[dendawg]

They're all crap.

Ain't nothing like the real thing.

[Parodius Duh!]

if anyone is looking for the best FAMICOM clone, definitely go with the Famulator. It plays everything, including Zelda!

[hellraiser]

I like the retro duo.
The nes side on mine works perfect with a game genie. And yes it does take snes controllers but....

.....NO FREEKIN ZAPPER!!!!!!!!

[fourswords]

I'm quite happy with my retro duo. never had any compatibility issues with it....

[retroman]

just get a original...just as cheap, and no compat probs.

[TKO]

a Moded Retro Duo is the best among NOAC clone.

-Play all game I throw at it including Castlevania 3

-work with Gamegenie

-Work perfectly with Super Everdrive and SNES PowerPak (I have them both so I know).

-from video in youtube 2nd Revision WONT WORK with NES PowerPak this is a major down side.

-Very good NES sound (after modded , before sound mod it sucks beyond exceptable)

[zebular]

For modern Famiclones, I'd take a modified RetroDuo. Out of the box, the NES side has such heavily distorted audio that some games will give you a massive earache. See for yourself(these are my videos, by the way):

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZ3Id9k0OE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvcx6-2LEgI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzf2CEG0Wo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4yMjv8IMU

Really nasty sound unless you add a 2.2Kohm resistor and a 0.1uF ceramic capacitor to the sound circuit. It is the most compatible modern-day Famiclone, however, but what good is a compatible clone if you have to play most games with no sound?

My personal recommendation is to get one of the classic Famiclones and a Ricoh 2A03 CPU. The cloned CPUs will give sound just as wrong as most NOACs, but most, if not all of the classic Famiclones, have socketed chips on the motherboard for the clones CPU and PPU. The cloned PPU can be left there, but the cloned CPU must be replaced by an original Ricoh 2A03 for proper sound. I have a MicroGenius IQ-501 on which I've replaced the CPU by a 2A03 taken out of a dead Front-Loader NES, and the sound is perfect, except that the sound output was a little bit distorted due to some resistors on the motherboard that aren't the correct value for the 2A03's sound output.

Really, though, if you want to spare yourself some trouble with Famiclones, get a RetroBit Retro Entertainment System or an FC Twin. They sound good, their picture is very nice(slight edge to the RES for its brighter picture), and their compatibility is quite good. I only had issues with 3 games: Castlevania III(crashes when starting a game), Rad Racer II(playable, but the graphics are completely screwed up) and Tengen's After Burner(no backgrounds).

Do you know which resistors those are and what to replace them with? My sound is a bit off now that I put the ppu/cpu from my nes 001 in my micro genius 501

[Satoshi_Matrix]

OK, there seems to be several including ones that play also SNES / Genesis etc. Here's the thing, my ONLY NES hardware is my FC Mobile II Handheld, fine and dandy but I want a console. OF COURSE I KNOW overall the original Toaster is best but I hate the issues with reliability with the pins etc. I would like recommendations on the best overall NES Clone console keeping in mind I would like the following features IF POSSIBLE. Please post your opinions, comments, experience:

Would prefer:

1. Decent game compatibility.
2. Game Genie compatibility.
3. PowerPak from Retrozone Compatibility.
4. Composite video out.
5. Acceptable sound.

Now I know the die hards will insist on a real NES but is there any clone that meets the above criteria? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

:cheers:

THIS.
http://www.valugamer.com/wp-content/uploads/super8_box.jpg

The answer to this is the Super 8 aka TriStar, a NES and Famicom attachment for the Super NES or Super Famicom. It's better than any other option available.

Check out my full review of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5ICApvVNY

It fits almost all your categories:

1. Game compatibility is extremely strong, in fact it will play more games than any other Famiclone I own or have ever heard of. Battletoads is pretty much the only game that doesn't work.

2. GameGenie works.

3.It won't play the Powerpak, but to be fair there is only one NOAC that will play the NES Powerpak and that is the Power Joy III, which isn't really very good.

4. It has composite video output, of course.

5. The sound is the best you'll get out of a Famiclone. better than anything else.

[jonjandran]

Holy 2 1/2 year bump Batman !!!

[Nesmaster]

Old topic but I recently got my hands on the FC twin (white and purple model, unsure how current this one is). As mentioned I find no major difference through SNES titles (that I've tried, can't speak for overall compatibility) and honestly I've only played a Megaman Hack cart through the NES slot. Seemed fine to me and my only complaint with the system would be the janky power switch. Switching it to 8/16 bit and off isn't as smooth as it should be and it's like the switch is just really cheap or poorly mounted or something.

Honestly I picked up the system for the included SNES pads which I really prefer over the Nintendo ones. Clicky buttons and no problems with input on anything. Cord is short and the overall feel is light and cheap and god knows the longevity of them but they work with my pc adapter from Retrozone just fine. Until they give me problems they're my #1 for SNES gaming.

[slimetimesamoo]

imo all the clone systems ive seen have flaws in one department or another, especially when it comes to certain snes games. replacing the 72 pin connector on your nes will make your system play as clean as it did 20 years ago. its as simple as unscrewing a dozen screws and popping it in and you can buy one for about 10 dollars online

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

The best NES clone is the one you can download right here:

http://nestopia.sourceforge.net/

Seriously, all clone systems are an attempt to "emulate" the real thing to one extent or another, especially if you resort to using a system on a chip.

There are many small form-factor pc's with usb inputs on the front, and vastly higher quality audio/video output compared to any clone. Additionally, you get all the benefits of backing up saves, scaling video, and even save-states if that's your thing.

But honestly, and pedantically, toaster NES's are common, and the mods needed to get one into 99% perfect working order are simple and painless. If you like NES games, I see no persuasive reasons not to get one.

[Parodius Duh!]

Actually the best clones would be 60 pin Famicom clones like the original Micro Genius, Scorpion, even the Famulator with a few tweaks is perfect. play any game without a problems. Even Castlevania III and the Zelda games, you just need to buy a 72 pin to 60 pin adapter which are easy to find.

Yobos and FC Twins and Retroduos are better off as scrap.