View Full Version : Picking up Madden this year?
Malon_Forever
08-05-2010, 06:25 PM
Anyone picking this up next week? I don't think I will this year. I don't know much about it, but I watched a quick video on what was new and nothing really caught my attention.
Flack
08-05-2010, 07:58 PM
Nope, at least not for a couple of years. I think I can get Madden 09 or 10 maybe for about $10-$15 now.
Malon_Forever
08-05-2010, 08:00 PM
Nope, at least not for a couple of years. I think I can get Madden 09 or 10 maybe for about $10-$15 now.
You should be able to get 09 for a couple dollars now.
retroman
08-05-2010, 09:30 PM
nope...waiting for 2kwhenever
Malon_Forever
08-05-2010, 09:46 PM
nope...waiting for 2kwhenever
lol, How much longer does EA have the NFL license for?
ryborg
08-05-2010, 10:04 PM
The only current gen system I own is a Wii, and I wasn't too impressed with Madden 10 for it. As in, I ended up playing my older year/older gen systems more than Madden 10 last year. Is there any reason to believe Madden 11 will be any different and better?
ScourDX
08-05-2010, 10:42 PM
Never interested in real football. They should create sequel to Mutant League Football.
brykasch
08-05-2010, 11:23 PM
Nope I have refused to purchase any ea sports games since the exclusivity debacle. Not to mention the 60 price tag for not much more than a roster update.
garagesaleking!!
08-06-2010, 12:23 AM
i bought 08 and 09, and then didnt buy 10, i was skeptical but had no regrets afterwards. so i will not be getting 11 either. plus my roomate will probably pick it up so i can play when i want.
In a literal sense? Yes, since I'm sure I'll be selling more than a few of these to customers. Otherwise, it's not exactly on the top of my "must have" list, my buddy will probably eventually get it tho since (unlike myself) he's pretty damn good at the game.
DigitalSpace
08-06-2010, 05:19 AM
Nah, I'll stick to Madden '97 on the SNES.
(But I'll probably spend more time with Tecmo Super Bowl and Mutant League Football.)
buzz_n64
08-06-2010, 05:22 AM
Mutant League Football and NFL Blitz are the only football games I'll touch.
jonebone
08-06-2010, 09:47 AM
Hell to the yes, have bought it brand new every year since '94 on the Genesis. Been to the last 4 midnight releases since I've been out of college and plan on going this year too.
It's not so much that Madden is some type of super amazing video game that warrants my $60, it is just that I'm a huge football fan. Fantasy Football, Madden, watching ESPN, playing flag football, etc. If it is related to football, I'm all about it.
But yes, ironically enough, I'm very tight with my money as a collector but don't mind dropping $60 on a game that'll be worth about $5 or $10 in less than a year. Go figure.
portnoyd
08-06-2010, 10:11 AM
I'm not a meathead, so no, I will not be buying paying $60 for a roster update anytime soon.
Oobgarm
08-06-2010, 10:27 AM
2 words
1. fuck
2. no
Porksta
08-06-2010, 11:51 AM
I'm just waiting for a good price on Blood Bowl.
Jaruff
08-06-2010, 01:10 PM
2 words
1. fuck
2. no
Agreed. I'm done with EA Sports titles period due to their new policy on online play (if you're buying used, you have to buy a new code to play online). Plus, Gameflow is ridiculous. I don't need the CPU telling me which plays to run.
Flashback2012
08-06-2010, 01:11 PM
Nope. I think the only Madden game I even own is the Championship Edition that came out on Genesis (I think it was '93?) and the last football game I bought was NFL 2K5 (and I picked that up used). I like football and understand the game well enough when I watch it on TV but I've always been a baseball guy. In the late 90's/early 2000's I used to be the baseball version of Madden fan, buying the yearly releases of World Series AND MLB. :embarrassed:
buzz_n64
08-06-2010, 01:25 PM
I do own one Madden game, the original Madden for the Genesis, I have it so I can bring it up if anyone asks me if I have Madden, and I'll either pop that sucker out to play for laughs, or mention the Genesis.
cityside75
08-06-2010, 01:52 PM
Just picked up Madden 10 at a garage sale for $3. I think I'm set for a while :)
norkusa
08-06-2010, 02:17 PM
No, but I'd pay $60 for a Tecmo Super Bowl roster update.
brykasch
08-06-2010, 02:26 PM
and I snagged the tecmo remake on xbl so I am set for new football:)
Lady Jaye
08-06-2010, 02:43 PM
Nope. Last time I played a football game was, IIRC, Tecmo Bowl on the NES back in the day.
Shadow Kisuragi
08-06-2010, 02:48 PM
For those that are saying they won't pick up Madden because it's just a roster update...have you actually played any Madden games in the past 3 years?
I'm fine with people saying "The new features don't interest me", but you honestly can't say that it's just a "roster update". It smells of ignorance.
Also, yes, I'm picking up a few copies of the game for friends, but it's not my thing. I enjoy watching and physically playing football, but I'm not an armchair jock.
BetaWolf47
08-06-2010, 02:51 PM
My roommates will probably be picking it up. I myself don't give two craps about football or football video games.
jonebone
08-06-2010, 03:00 PM
For those that are saying they won't pick up Madden because it's just a roster update...have you actually played any Madden games in the past 3 years?
I'm fine with people saying "The new features don't interest me", but you honestly can't say that it's just a "roster update". It smells of ignorance.
Also, yes, I'm picking up a few copies of the game for friends, but it's not my thing. I enjoy watching and physically playing football, but I'm not an armchair jock.
lol. I'm the only self-proclaimed Madden nut in this thread and even I know it's just a glorified roster update.
Sure they might make some tweaks and changes here and there but we buy the game for the new rookies and new faces in new places. Very rarely do they add something that makes the learning curve more steep, such as QB Vision. And then of course they undid that change a couple of years later.
Porksta
08-06-2010, 03:23 PM
The thing is, Madden is the only game in town. It has assloads of sponsorships, especially now with Old Spice. They can't knock $20 bucks off the price? Hell, TO isn't even a Bengal in the game.
PapaStu
08-06-2010, 10:27 PM
Hell, TO isn't even a Bengal in the game.
You act like they won't have roster updates weekly to handle injuries and trades.
I don't personally care enough about Madden (and havn't since 2001) to even bother buying this. If achievements are nice and easy I may rent it, but that would be it.
ScourDX
08-06-2010, 10:29 PM
The thing is, Madden is the only game in town. It has assloads of sponsorships, especially now with Old Spice. They can't knock $20 bucks off the price? Hell, TO isn't even a Bengal in the game.
They need Old Spice man to do NFL ads. I am sure he will convince everyone to be a man and get one. LOL
buzz_n64
08-06-2010, 11:29 PM
The real Old Spice man Terry Crews? Then I'm in if he's in the game as an announcer or player.
Terry Crews - Crazy Old Spice Commercials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCl5uyn5K7k
Malon_Forever
08-07-2010, 12:35 AM
I just played the demo today at a friends house, and it wasn't anything special. I'll just get NHL 11 next month.
Nope. I'm still having fun with a combination of All-Pro Football 2K8 and Backbreaker, so I seem to have completely weaned myself of the need for an NFL license update every year. Furthermore, EA's new "online game pass" ploy doesn't help my opinion of the company.
I'm off the Madden train.
TheGam3r
08-08-2010, 08:53 PM
get NHL 11
GuyinGA
08-08-2010, 09:15 PM
I'm passing on it since each year's version seems to drop in price more quickly than the previous year. Madden 10 is probably the best version of the game this gen -- I think Madden would be better if the NFL let other series compete against it (like the NFL 2K series and Sony's NFL GameDay series).
But we won't see a return of NFL 2K11 or NFL GameDay 2011 until the deal runs out and/or Madden tanks. Too many stupid people buying the game prevents that.
Malon_Forever
08-08-2010, 09:43 PM
get NHL 11
Yeah, it's all about that OTP.
One of the things that bothers me about the new Madden, is one of the new features they are promoting is pretty much the "Ask Madden" feature. I think it's called "Gameflow".
SegaAges
08-09-2010, 02:24 AM
I will not say I am not getting it just for updated rosters. I will go ahead and get deeper into it for the Madden nuts to realize that I am not getting it for more than just roster updates.
First off, games are expensive to make. I understand this. Hell, Gear of War 3 won't be out for another year, and they have been working on that one for awhile.
I am sure another person can chime in as well, but I was under the impression that AA video game titles had a 2-3 year development cycle on average. Paying $60 for a game that takes 2-3 years is acceptable. The people that made it need to eat too.
Madden, it is about a 7-8 month cycle. Doesn't shovelware get pushed out in cycles like that? Shovelware can be had for $20-$30 easily.
Also, with the sponsorship that Madden has, do they really need to charge that much for the game? How much money have they already gotten from companies like Old Spice for this game?
There is absolutely no justification any single person can have for paying $60 for this game.
We all know what Madden is. We all know it is the only licensed NFL game out there. Does EA really need to spend millions upon millions for advertising?
With such a short development cycle, there is also no room for heavily beefing this game up. Sure, you can add new features (and possibly strip a few others out), but does that development cycle give them enough time to really warrant a Sequel.
The only reason why this comes out year after year and costs $60 is because people are not realizing what they are paying for and blindly buying Madden games simply because it is Madden and it is football. WOOHOO!
Now, here is an idea that I had that would actually talk myself into buying Madden games. Since Madden games already update rosters if you have your system connected to the internet, why release this every year?
What they should do, is release this every other year. Many of the extras that they have been putting in the newer Madden games can easily, EASILY be handled by DLC.
Madden people: what if you only had to pay $60 one year for Madden, and then get cool new features the next year for just $20? The game would automatically update to the newest version of Madden.
This would give EA much more time to incorporate much larger and much better changes to the game. You would have to wait 2 years per release, but the product would have that longer time to develop, and hence be much more deserving of that $60
EA will not do that because you guys will blindly pay $60 for the game.
Also, anybody who has even attempted to play any EA game online knows how horrible the EA servers are. I stopped playing Skate 3 because the servers were so hard to get connected to. EA decided that they would handle their own servers, and their servers suck. I am lucky to be able to connect and get a lag free game of anything EA even when my roommate decides that he will play me in an EA game (has only happened once, but we still had lag).
Let's get more technical (if you are still reading this):
Madden 11 updates:
dual stick controls so that a player can pivot their upper body to an extent
improved blocking
Gameflow play calling
online team play
presentation/in between play improvements (close-ups of the crowd, etc)
So, those are the big improvements. That is the $60 you are paying for.
Those could easily be handled through DLC. Red Dead Redemption offered free DLC for Co-Op play. Presentation can be added or made nicer whenever they feel like it through DLC. Gameflow is a nice feature, but I am pretty confident that is can also be handled through DLC. As somebody else already stated, there is already something inside of the game to determine the best play for you, which was the Ask Madden feature. Give it a shiny new name and allow the Ask Madden feature to only use specific plays (which sounds a little limiting if you ask me), and you have one of the key badass features of Madden 11. MEH!
Seriously, I am holding back from a rant here and trying to just give an opinion sprinkled with some facts. There is absolutely no reason to spend $60 for this game. This gives you some extra stuff, but it doesn't even handled updated rosters, which is what everybody else is talking about. That small feature was put into Madden 10 already.
What you are also paying for:
Franchise mode/Online franchise mode has been not only left untouched, but the weekly videos went away.
Superstar mode is the same.
Summary (for the people that do not read long posts):
Madden 11's best features could be handled by a $20 DLC
EA servers are horrible
The development cycle nowhere near warrants the full $60 price tag that other AA titles bring in
As long as people continue paying $60 for Madden every year, it will continue to be released every year
jonebone
08-10-2010, 02:29 PM
You guys act like we love paying $60 for the yearly roster update that is Madden. We don't, but when you monopolize a market, you gotta pay the asking price. Obviously if there was other competition, many of us probably wouldn't pay $60 for Madden. But there isn't and the only alternative is to play something outdated or play the new version.
$60 isn't shit when you compare it to the $315 that I spent on Direct TV Sunday ticket. Football is football and no matter what it costs, I will pay to enjoy it.
Oobgarm
08-10-2010, 02:35 PM
You guys act like we love paying $60 for the yearly roster update that is Madden. We don't, but when you are a greedy corporation and monopolize a market, you gotta pay the asking price.
Added that bit of info in there. There is no reason at all why EA couldn't drop the price of Madden by $10-$20 and still swim in piles of money.
Even if they just offered an online roster update for $20-30, people would STILL buy a disc-based copy.
SegaAges
08-10-2010, 03:07 PM
You guys act like we love paying $60 for the yearly roster update that is Madden. We don't, but when you monopolize a market, you gotta pay the asking price. Obviously if there was other competition, many of us probably wouldn't pay $60 for Madden. But there isn't and the only alternative is to play something outdated or play the new version.
$60 isn't shit when you compare it to the $315 that I spent on Direct TV Sunday ticket. Football is football and no matter what it costs, I will pay to enjoy it.
Well, why not just stick to Madden 10?
Madden 10 will update your rosters for you just fine.
You are talking like you do not really want to pay the $60, but have no other choice to get you football fix.
You completely have a choice. Stick with Madden 10.
Also, you are talking with a retro forum, so a game that is one year old is by no means "out dated".
Example: Gears of War 2 was released on 11-8-2008, and that game is not out dated. The game is 3 months away from being 2 years old. Even Gears of War 1 is still to this day an amazing game and not out dates and that was released on 11/7/2006.
The updates features nowhere near warrant the entry fee you are paying.
NFL Sunday ticket allows you to watch the games all you want. Now, what if Sunday ticket only played 1 NFL game of this season for your team and everything else was from last year? Would you still pay for it? You are doing that when you buy Madden 11. Just a couple extra features, but you are seriously playing Madden 10 with just a couple extra features
As long as you just come off with the attitude of, "MEH. It is all I got" then Madden will continue to suck you dry.
It is not all you have. Honestly, I will support buying Madden 10 because of the updated rosters that it does. With that, you have no need to even buy Madden 11. You want football that deals with this season, and that is what Madden10 can do for you.
TwinChargers
08-10-2010, 03:17 PM
I haven't picked up a Madden since 2004, (or whatever year Vick was on the cover.) After picking up NFL 2k5 brand new the next season for $20, I haven't returned since. While I'm due for a "roster update", I still think its a bit nuts that even for the PS2 its a $40 game. I might just break this year, since it might be the last time that the previous generation will be represented by Madden, but I agree with most of you others that the monopoly that EA created isn't good for anyone except for themselves. I hope the NFL see this and leaves it open for anyone after this contract is up.
SegaAges
08-10-2010, 03:28 PM
I haven't picked up a Madden since 2004, (or whatever year Vick was on the cover.) After picking up NFL 2k5 brand new the next season for $20, I haven't returned since. While I'm due for a "roster update", I still think its a bit nuts that even for the PS2 its a $40 game. I might just break this year, since it might be the last time that the previous generation will be represented by Madden, but I agree with most of you others that the monopoly that EA created isn't good for anyone except for themselves. I hope the NFL see this and leaves it open for anyone after this contract is up.
They will not see it if you break down and buy Madden 11
gepeto
08-10-2010, 04:17 PM
I actually like this years madden demo. The gameflow seems interesting. My dislike for ea is the monopolization. I still will forever love madden because it had such an impact on me when it first came out. To me it just revolutionized football video games . I look at certian other games the same way.
betamax001
08-10-2010, 04:53 PM
I dont like football at all so the awnser is a resounding now. The only sports game I really liked was MLB Slugfest, and I sold my copy of 2003 thinking they would come out with a new one in like 2005 or so. They didn't. THats what I would spend 50 bucks maybe on, if they made a new one for the 2011 rosters for the PS3.
The 1 2 P
08-10-2010, 05:49 PM
Just like every other year I have no interest in picking up Madden. However, I did have to work the midnight launch last night at a 24 hour Walmart. There were about 60 people waiting in line and they behaved pretty well. I still don't see what the big deal over Madden's annual release is(how much can they really change in one year?) but obviously enough people like it to where it's always one of he years best selling games.
ryborg
08-10-2010, 06:24 PM
There should've been a poll option of
"I don't like Madden, I don't like football, I don't like sports or sports video games, but I do like responding to every thread and voting in every poll."
Simply Dave
08-10-2010, 06:29 PM
I only play Tecmo Super Bowl
heybtbm
08-10-2010, 06:48 PM
There should've been a poll option of
"I don't like Madden, I don't like football, I don't like sports or sports video games, but I do like responding to every thread and voting in every poll."
Lol...So true.
I picked up Madden '11 today. I haven't bought one since Madden '06. It's not a game I feel the need to buy every year, but every few years is fine with me. Amazon had the 360 version for $39.12 (+ free shipping, no tax)....not sure what all the "$60 for a roster update" talk is about.
ryborg
08-10-2010, 07:13 PM
....not sure what all the "$60 for a roster update" talk is about.
because that's what it costs at gamestop and if there's another way to acquire games, i sure don't know it
SegaAges
08-10-2010, 07:41 PM
There should've been a poll option of
"I don't like Madden, I don't like football, I don't like sports or sports video games, but I do like responding to every thread and voting in every poll."
I actually love football and love football games.
Besides, like I stated earlier, roster updates were implemented in Madden 10.
Tron 2.0
08-11-2010, 02:37 AM
I only play super tecmo bowl or even nflblitz so no on got dat madden !?
Though it's to bad EA couldn't do a update to mutant league football....
jonebone
08-11-2010, 09:03 AM
Well, why not just stick to Madden 10?
Madden 10 will update your rosters for you just fine.
It is not all you have. Honestly, I will support buying Madden 10 because of the updated rosters that it does. With that, you have no need to even buy Madden 11. You want football that deals with this season, and that is what Madden10 can do for you.
Have you even played Madden 11? Probably not I'm guessing.
I played it for the first time last night and at first I hated it. It now feels like an arcade game instead of a simulator, that is if you play with the gameflow option. I immediately turned it off and played as usual. No real complaints except they now have a "strategy pad" which makes hot routes complicated as hell and even defensive line shifts are harder than necessary.
But my girlfriend wanted to play and gameflow was perfect! We both agreed to try it out and she actually beat me. We did random teams, she got Colts, I got Bears and she won 37 to 31. If she had to pick her own plays I would have destroyed her I'm sure, but gameflow picked great blitzes when I was running and excellent coverages when I was passing.
Of course she got tons of lucky breaks like sack/fumble/TD, a tipped pass caught for a TD and a 80 yd bomb to Reggie Wayne through double coverage, but hey that's Madden.
The point is, that they just expanded their fan base to both hardcore and casual football gamers. As much as I hate the gameflow, it is ingenious from a marketing standpoint.
My friends and I will play "Hardcore" with manual play selection, my girlfriend and I can play Gameflow and have a game wrapped up in 30 minutes. Previous Madden games are about an hour minimum when using 5 minute quarters.
Darko
08-11-2010, 11:26 AM
Seeing as how I just purchased a TON of xBox sports titles in my recent craigslist buy, I'd say no. Not that I'll be playing any of them anyway....
SegaAges
08-11-2010, 12:35 PM
Have you even played Madden 11? Probably not I'm guessing.
I played it for the first time last night and at first I hated it. It now feels like an arcade game instead of a simulator, that is if you play with the gameflow option. I immediately turned it off and played as usual. No real complaints except they now have a "strategy pad" which makes hot routes complicated as hell and even defensive line shifts are harder than necessary.
But my girlfriend wanted to play and gameflow was perfect! We both agreed to try it out and she actually beat me. We did random teams, she got Colts, I got Bears and she won 37 to 31. If she had to pick her own plays I would have destroyed her I'm sure, but gameflow picked great blitzes when I was running and excellent coverages when I was passing.
Of course she got tons of lucky breaks like sack/fumble/TD, a tipped pass caught for a TD and a 80 yd bomb to Reggie Wayne through double coverage, but hey that's Madden.
The point is, that they just expanded their fan base to both hardcore and casual football gamers. As much as I hate the gameflow, it is ingenious from a marketing standpoint.
My friends and I will play "Hardcore" with manual play selection, my girlfriend and I can play Gameflow and have a game wrapped up in 30 minutes. Previous Madden games are about an hour minimum when using 5 minute quarters.
Or instead couldn't you have just stuck with Madden 10 and gotten Madden Arcade from PSN or XBLA?
It sounds like if you are not playing with gameflow, the game added a new feature(s) that only made the game overly complicated.
With gameflow, it sounds like Madden 11 turned into a glorified Madden Arcade.
I am still not really seeing any advantages to owning this compared to just having Madden 10 and downloading Madden Arcade.
Malon_Forever
08-11-2010, 12:56 PM
Gameflow is just like Ask Madden, but without the plays popping up. It's sad that they actually advertised Gameflow as one of their biggest changes.
heybtbm
08-11-2010, 07:40 PM
I think Gameflow is great. It really makes the game flow... (crickets chirping).
kupomogli
09-09-2010, 05:37 PM
$48.99 one day sale for those who were waiting for a price drop. I won't be getting it but just thinking some of those that might want to.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000208101
MarioMania
09-09-2010, 10:14 PM
No, Just no..I stick with Tecmo Super Bowl
Some Comp has to Battle EA for the NFL rights
Hep038
09-10-2010, 10:24 AM
There should've been a poll option of
"I don't like Madden, I don't like football, I don't like sports or sports video games, but I do like responding to every thread and voting in every poll."
Then why would you even click on this thread?
I find it funny to see people totally bashing Madden who probably have not played it in 10 years. They bitch about the exclusive contract, they bitch about the price, they bitch about the "glorified roster updates" when in reality they never play it and have no interest in playing it.
I will be picking up Madden 10 in the next few weeks, why because it is $12 on some sites. I always buy them when the new one comes out just because of the price drop. And to be honest I do see a difference in the game play from year to year. I am sure for people who never play the game they would not notice, but for people who do play it the tweaks they make every year do effect the game play. Some years it helps others make it worse. I am sure I will get flamed for this post because it is not "cool" to like sports games at DP, and even worse to buy EA games. But if I followed the crowd here I would still be playing 10 yard fight because it was made by Nintendo....
portnoyd
09-10-2010, 10:54 AM
Amazing oversimplication and stereotyping of many people's views.
mnbren05
09-10-2010, 02:17 PM
Or instead couldn't you have just stuck with Madden 10 and gotten Madden Arcade from PSN or XBLA?
It sounds like if you are not playing with gameflow, the game added a new feature(s) that only made the game overly complicated.
With gameflow, it sounds like Madden 11 turned into a glorified Madden Arcade.
I am still not really seeing any advantages to owning this compared to just having Madden 10 and downloading Madden Arcade.
Granted I hate the monopoly Madden has but I do not believe your description is accurate. Yeah I've been pissed at Madden since they took out the design a play feature and attempted to force me to buy NFL Head Coach to design plays for Madden.
Game Flow is based upon not what is best play to be called, but a pre-set game plan. This is why Gameflow opts to run when they are stacking the line to run blitz on a 3rd and inches instead of seeing a mismatch and sending the WR's into an empty set. Now, you have the freedom to change your gameplan and design it so the computer is more likely to call your plays as you can weight each play (so it knows your tendancies). You also still can audible out of game flow plays if you so decide. I'll tell you what else is nice about Game Flow, Defensive help. The other day David Garrard turned into Drew Brees and would tear me apart even when I was in full coverage. I got sick of being unable to stop him, so I pressed A for Game Flow and they called a 2 man under ILB blitz and it finally was able to break his rhythm.
Now that aside, I feel it is overpriced and yet at the end of the day I still bought it. Chalk one up for EA as I cannot help but be learned in by the allure of the NFL.
Madden Arcade= :puke: