Ultimate douche bag: eBay user 2386pete [Archive]

nebrazca78

08-09-2010, 06:16 PM

So I guess most people are used to dealing with a lot of dipshits if selling on eBay. It's just a fact of eBay life. But every once in a while someone comes along who is so idiotic it amazes you. Currently this person is eBay user 2386pete. Unfortunately this person seems to have come across my auctions from right here at DP. What started as a simple complaint turned into an annoying joke. So it begins...

I sold this person a Sega CD game recently. The case was in rough condition so I listed it as being "acceptable", eBay's lowest condition rating. So the person gets the game and then they message me saying the condition "acceptable" is confusing and not specific enough. Still being civil at this point, I get back to him saying "Acceptable is the lowest condition rating eBay provides. eBay's definition of acceptable says that the item has obvious and significant wear. Not only that, an actual picture of the game was provided at the bottom of the listing".

He gets back to me insisting that no actual picture was provided. Anyone who has seen my auctions for the last 6 years knows there is always an actual picture of every boxed and complete game I sell. Not only that, the DP thread advertising the auctions also has pictures of the actual items. But I was still trying to be nice and I guessed it was possible that someone could have somehow missed both sets of pictures. To make things even a bit more complicated, those pictures have been taken down and I have uploaded pictures of my current auctions to the server which I explained to him.

That's when he started to get nasty and sent me this message:

Dear secretsintherocks,

What is true is that you are a scammer. There was never an actual pic, and to say you took it down is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
The correct way to describe this game would have been:
Rise of the Dragon for Sega CD. Game is as-is and untested. There is damage/chips to jewel case. With an actual pic, not the stock version you posted in the description.
I thought I would give you a chance, but you are ethier a liar or have the mental capacity of a 5 year old. Maybe...Maybe if I was the only one who had complained I would question this. You have MANY complaints (my fault for not checking prior)similar to mine.
FYI..Your retorts to the other complaints are childish and make no excuse for your actions.

- 2386pete

After seeing this message I realized the extent of this eBay user's madness. In his mind he can't even imagine that he made a mistake and somehow missed the large 800x600 pictures of the actual items. And he also can't imagine why someone would take old pictures down and put new ones in their place. Apparently it's the "most stupid thing he has ever heard". He also references the "many complaints" similar to his. Well he's right about that, there are a lot of dipshits out there and when you sell thousands upon thousands of games a year you will come in contact with them. People like 2386pete really need to OPEN their EYES. I can see how someone could contend that eBay's newish rating system could be more accurate. But to assert that I don't put pictures of the actual items in my auctions is ludicrous. That's why 2386pete is "The Ultimate Douche Bag". I have banned him from all current and future auctions, I suggest anyone who wants to avoid such a sociopath does the same.

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Petey

08-09-2010, 06:31 PM

Who's childish now?
1. You can say you did something all day long, doesn't make it true. Your ebay feedback backs me up more than it helps you. You had 2 more nicks this week alone.
2. My main complaint (and this is true for any ebay seller) is when you post a stock photo of a game and not the actual copy. The only thing in your listing I was expecting was to not have the insert (that you mentioned).
3. Your description was way off. As I already stated to you; why not just say the game case is cracked and flawed, instead you say the game is acceptable. Not good enough for me, and not good enough to satisfy others apparently.

You would be better served by increasing your customer service abilities and not being so rude to sellers. You need to better describe your auctions so I or any of the many others can just not bid on crap.

I stand by my comments.

nebrazca78

08-09-2010, 06:45 PM

Who's childish now?

You are, "Petey".

1. You can say you did something all day long, doesn't make it true. Your ebay feedback backs me up more than it helps you. You had 2 more nicks this week alone.

Yes but the fact that I did actually do what I said and that I have been doing the same thing for the past 6 years does make it true.

2. My main complaint (and this is true for any ebay seller) is when you post a stock photo of a game and not the actual copy. The only thing in your listing I was expecting was to not have the insert (that you mentioned).

Well this is the main reason I think you're a douche. How could you have missed not only the pictures in the DP thread advertising the auctions but the ones in the listing description itself? And to keep asserting that they weren't there when they obviously were makes you look really, really weak.

3. Your description was way off. As I already stated to you; why not just say the game case is cracked and flawed, instead you say the game is acceptable. Not good enough for me, and not good enough to satisfy others apparently.

Considering that eBay's "good" condition rating allows for cracked cases, what do you expect when you buy a game that has an even lower condition rating? You are just a run of the mill dipshit.

You would be better served by increasing your customer service abilities and not being so rude to sellers. You need to better describe your auctions so I or any of the many others can just not bid on crap.

I stand by my comments.

Nice Freudian slip, you're right, you really should stop being so rude to sellers.

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megasdkirby

08-09-2010, 07:17 PM

Is it possible to ignore item condition?

For instance, I see some sellers who put "----" as the item condition.

Is it possible to do this and avoid the "acceptable" condition?

Petey

08-09-2010, 07:24 PM

I just looked at your DP post of the games you recently listed on Ebay. Can you show me where your pics are of the game on DP?

nebrazca78

08-09-2010, 07:40 PM

Is it possible to ignore item condition?

For instance, I see some sellers who put "----" as the item condition.

Is it possible to do this and avoid the "acceptable" condition?

That's only for the "vintage games" and other similar categories. If you're just listing under games you must select a condition. And if you don't it will default to acceptable.

I just looked at your DP post of the games you recently listed on Ebay. Can you show me where your pics are of the game on DP?

If you're talking about the game I sold you, those pictures have been taken down, like I said before. Now there are pictures of the games I am selling right now. If you look at that thread you absolutely can't miss them (or so I would have thought).

Gooch3008

08-09-2010, 07:43 PM

:popcorn: any reason this can't be taken to pm's???

Not that I am complaining.

ryborg

08-09-2010, 07:47 PM

Nebrazca, I checked a bunch of your auctions and I didn't see any individual photos for a lot of your Sega games, complete or not. I also noticed a ton of broken images in the "other items for sale" section. Are you having problems with your photo hosting or something?

Is it possible to ignore item condition?

For instance, I see some sellers who put "----" as the item condition.

This is what I do for used items. I want people to read the item description for exact working and look at the photos I upload. I get what ebay's trying to do with conditions, but enough people complain where I don't want to deal with an idiot who disagrees with my and ebay's definition of "very good."

megasdkirby

08-09-2010, 07:47 PM

That's only for the "vintage games" and other similar categories. If you're just listing under games you must select a condition. And if you don't it will default to acceptable.

Oh, that's not good. Thanks for the tip, as I plan on putting some listings soon for the first time.

If this is the case, a seller is not really at fault here. A game can be beat up as all hell, and since Ebay only let's you choose "acceptable", it's an oxymoron at best. Ebay should really fix this, as shit like this causes problems that could be easily avoided. Like Ebay/Paypal cutting out part of the address because they try to use the USPS system: no matter how many times I've told them that part of my address gets omitted, they don't seem to care. They know of the problem, but do nothing to solve it.

This is what I do for used items. I want people to read the item description for exact working and look at the photos I upload. I get what ebay's trying to do with conditions, but enough people complain where I don't want to deal with an idiot who disagrees with my and ebay's definition of "very good."

Definitely. I will be very cautious when it's my turn (if everything goes well, by the beginning of next week!)

Petey

08-09-2010, 07:51 PM

Just defending myself here. I will not sit and let some internet scammer flame me. I have not had an issue with anyone here until now. This seller uses 2 ebay accounts and 1 account has all the bad feedback on it and 1 is clean.

I still cannot find his pics of the sega cd game on the DP thread and he never posted a pic of the actual game on ebay, just the stock photo...which is still up on the lisiting. He never posted the actual condition of the game, just that it was acceptable. That is not enough info for me or anyone. If it comes down to him being to lazy to post the needed info, then that is not okay ethier.

ryborg

08-09-2010, 07:52 PM

Anyone who has seen my auctions for the last 6 years knows there is always an actual picture of every boxed and complete game I sell.

Here is a boxed and complete game you are selling currently. No photo, unless you are counting the 1.5" photo in the "other items I'm selling" part at the end of your item description.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shanghai-Sega-Master-System-Complete-/250677319819?pt=Video_Games_Games

portnoyd

08-09-2010, 07:55 PM

This is fucking great. I love it.

Kitsune Sniper

08-09-2010, 07:57 PM

If you're talking about the game I sold you, those pictures have been taken down, like I said before. Now there are pictures of the games I am selling right now. If you look at that thread you absolutely can't miss them (or so I would have thought).

Okay.

Why are you deleting the pictures you use in your auctions or sale threads after they've been sold?

ETA: Oh wait. NOW I remember you. You don't list pictures of the item alone, you post everything bundled up like that. I remember avoiding your auctions because of that. I try to not bid on stuff that doesn't have a clear picture attached to it... and this thread is the reason why.

megasdkirby

08-09-2010, 07:57 PM

I still cannot find his pics of the sega cd game on the DP thread and he never posted a pic of the actual game on ebay, just the stock photo...which is still up on the lisiting. He never posted the actual condition of the game, just that it was acceptable. That is not enough info for me or anyone. If it comes down to him being to lazy to post the needed info, then that is not okay ethier.

When I see a game I like for sale, but it has a stock photo, I contact the seller for a picture. Most of the times, the seller sends them to me via email. There are times in which the seller states that they are too busy for a real picture, and I take this as avoiding purchasing the item.

I too agree that a picture on the listing would be excellent, but even if a seller uses a stock picture, I usually inquire for a picture before submitting a bid. Happened recently with Towers II on the Jaguar (well, a few months ago): two listings had stock photos and I asked both for pics. One seller sent me a few pictures of the game and I ended up purchasing it from him. The other gave me an excuse about not being able to, so I simply decided not to get the game from him.

Also, not to take a stance on who is right or wrong, but I do see many sellers host pictures of the game and then take out the pictures (when item ends) to make room for new pictures. This is nothing new to me as I frequently see this. No need to keep old pictures from past listings, specially if space is limited or the seller is charged for traffic. I usually take a screenshot or save the web page before this happens, though.

Petey

08-09-2010, 07:59 PM

Petey

08-09-2010, 08:02 PM

Okay.

Why are you deleting the pictures you use in your auctions or sale threads after they've been sold?

ETA: Oh wait. NOW I remember you. You don't list pictures of the item alone, you post everything bundled up like that. I remember avoiding your auctions because of that. I try to not bid on stuff that doesn't have a clear picture attached to it... and this thread is the reason why.

That makes me feel better, thanks!

suckerpunch5

08-09-2010, 10:08 PM

Anyone who has seen my auctions for the last 6 years knows there is always an actual picture of every boxed and complete game I sell.

I don't think you are a scammer. But, I checked your some of your auctions, and they do have stock photos at the top. I usually don't check much further down, unless I'm really interested in. You do have a TON of other groups of pictures below, but geez. Are buyers supposed to look through each of those to find the item they are interested in? I don't think you can tell anything about condition from those pics.

On the other hand, if a game is listed as missing its insert, and it is listed as acceptable, I don't think I'd be suprised if the jewel case was less than pristine. As a seller, I guess I expect buyers to read my descriptions (yeah, I know, laughable, right?)

Seller needs better pictures. Buyer was probably expecting too much.

If it was me, I'd probably just refund the buyers money.

Lanzo

08-09-2010, 10:55 PM

I have purchased genesis games from secretsintherocks twice and have not had a problem and will most likely for a third time. I always just scroll down and find the game I want. I also understand it would be incredibly time consuming to take individual pictures of the games when selling in large lots. However that being said, I notice that after the first 15 pics or so they all become red X's and no pics.

Bojay1997

08-09-2010, 11:37 PM

Plus many of his other items for sale don't open, just that little red X. Was I suppose to look there? Look in the other items for sale for my itme I'm bidding on? Crazy, that is new to me. Plus the game I bought was not, and is not in that list or in the DP forums.

I'm sorry, but why would you ever bid on anything if you didn't see a real picture of it or at least ask the seller for more information about condition? I'm not really sure who is at fault here and frankly I could care less, but if you're bidding on stuff without asking questions and just accepting Ebay generic quality ratings, you're gonna be disappointed every single time.

SegaAges

08-10-2010, 12:47 AM

Oh man, this is pretty entertaining.

I will say a couple things though:
If you are that concerned about the quality of the product you are purchasing to the point where you will send messages to the seller like he posted above, than you should have asked for better pictures or some pictures.

Did you ever send the seller a message before bidding, or did you just assume that if you bid on this, even with the lowest possible condition set, that all would be well?

If you want a better resolution, be prepared to send him the game back so that you can get a refund. If you are planning on getting a refund and keeping the game, that is silly.

The only time I have ever done that was when I bought some games for N-Gage that turned out that the only legit thing about them was the cases they were in, so I got a partial refund of half of it and kept the rest. This does not sound like a situation like that.

Send him the game back, file a dispute with eBay, and get a refund when he gets his game back.

brykasch

08-10-2010, 10:31 AM

Now granted I don't do the volume that you or a lot of sellers do on eBay, I find the way you list items lazy at best. I understand you have tons of auctions up at a time, but you expect the eBay conditions to do everything for you, you have a zillion photos ( most of which don't work).

I think if you want to avoid unnecessary issues/negatives you need to start spending more time on your listings.

and to the buyer, he has a 14 day return policy according to his auctions, why not just return it and call the deal even?

I had a stupid mistake on a auction of mine due to a copy/paste error ( long story), we talked and when I explained I couldn't sell them some of the items listed in the ad ( they were nes games accidentally posted way at the bottom of a ps2 system lot I was selling, and were already sold on a separate auction), we agreed to just cancel the transaction.

I find with most folks some good communication goes a long ways.

This back and forth would've gone better on the blacklist sticky, or better yet sticking to pm's

pseudonym

08-10-2010, 10:47 AM

I have to agree with Brykasch and the others here. If you want to avoid problems like this you should take a picture of the actual item.

jonebone

08-10-2010, 02:12 PM

ETA: Oh wait. NOW I remember you. You don't list pictures of the item alone, you post everything bundled up like that. I remember avoiding your auctions because of that. I try to not bid on stuff that doesn't have a clear picture attached to it... and this thread is the reason why.

This. I can honestly say that I've seen at least 5 to 10 of your auctions over the past few months that I was legitimately interested in bidding on until I saw your piss poor ways of listing items with a ton of group pictures.

You lost my business due to your laziness and I'm sure you've lost others as well. If you are lazy as a seller you'll lose profits and you'll wind up with negs from unhappy buyers... exactly like this thread.

Though I would NEVER bid on anything listed as acceptable without seeing more detailed pictures. As a buyer you need to learn from this mistake and just go about your ways.

EDIT: Now that I've read more of the thread, it's kind of funny that Petey is calling him a scammer. You obviously do not know the definition of scammer and to resort to petty namecalling make you look pretty immature (though your eBay message did a good job of that too). He described it as acceptable which means "Not Like New", "Not Very Good" and "Not Good". What the hell were you expecting???

Buyers these days...

Oobgarm

08-10-2010, 02:39 PM

He described it as acceptable which means "Not Like New", "Not Very Good" and "Not Good". What the hell were you expecting???

emphasis was needed.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Mark III

08-10-2010, 02:40 PM

Jimmy Yakapucci

08-10-2010, 02:41 PM

Not to take anyone's side, but that is the reason that the last time I put a bunch of stuff up here for sale it was all sealed, new stuff. Then all I had to do was to list which items had prices stickers and such on them.

JY

Shadow Kisuragi

08-10-2010, 02:44 PM

I've bought many items from Nebrazca in the past, and the only issue I've had is that he accidentally pasted Complete in the auction when the items were disc only. The actual item description stated that they were disc only, though.

If I remember, the auction had an image of all of his current games for sale instead of the individual games, and the actual thumbnail was stock. You would have to look to see which game you were buying instead of just having it individually.

I think a little clarity is needed on Nebrazca's side, but Petey, you should really follow-up on an auction if you have any questions. Acceptable means that disk could be cracked and covered in dirt, as long as it falls within the description. Always ask for images.

...lastly, this is Rise of the Dragon we're talking about. Unless you paid a horrendous amount for it, just drop it. It's not worth all of the hassle. Take it as a lesson and move on.

Kitsune Sniper

08-10-2010, 02:55 PM

You're all a bunch of princesses.
We're not talking about a Panzer Dragoon Saga here, it was a cheap ass game listed in the lowest possible grade. Even if the seller used a stock photo (and if I know Nebrazca he didn't) the buyer could have asked for clarification on condition before he buys it if it's such a big deal for him. I've mistakenly bought games in crap condition from very reputable sellers on this board before and I always chalked it up to being my own fault for not asking specifics before hand. It's enough of a pain in the ass selling on ebay without having to deal with shit like this.

I'm not taking the buyer's side. But I'm not taking Nebrazca's either because of his unclear product listings.

This could've been prevented if the buyer had asked questions, or if Nebrazca wasn't so lazy when listing auctions.

Both people are at fault.

The end.

Petey

08-10-2010, 03:52 PM

Last thing I'll say on the matter:

I am not the one who posted a complaint on here, the seller did.
I posted here only to give my opinion. I surely in the future would not buy an item with a stock photo, lesson learned.
I am not looking for a refund, I only sent a message to the seller with my opinion on his description and why I was confused on what I got (He chose to show only the last message sent by me, not the others).
Hey, I may not be the best one with my choice of words here; scammer/lazy, whatever, but agian, I didn't intend on discussing it here at all.

nebrazca78

08-10-2010, 05:37 PM

Here is a boxed and complete game you are selling currently. No photo, unless you are counting the 1.5" photo in the "other items I'm selling" part at the end of your item description.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shanghai-Sega-Master-System-Complete-/250677319819?pt=Video_Games_Games

Shanghai is in the third picture from the top.

Okay.

Why are you deleting the pictures you use in your auctions or sale threads after they've been sold?

ETA: Oh wait. NOW I remember you. You don't list pictures of the item alone, you post everything bundled up like that. I remember avoiding your auctions because of that. I try to not bid on stuff that doesn't have a clear picture attached to it... and this thread is the reason why.

That's understandable that some people feel that way. But I don't have time to take FOUR HUNDRED or more pictures twice a month. But the bottom line is there is a picture of every boxed or complete game. So no one can say there was not a picture of the actual item unless there is a hosting problem.

I don't think you are a scammer. But, I checked your some of your auctions, and they do have stock photos at the top. I usually don't check much further down, unless I'm really interested in. You do have a TON of other groups of pictures below, but geez. Are buyers supposed to look through each of those to find the item they are interested in? I don't think you can tell anything about condition from those pics.

On the other hand, if a game is listed as missing its insert, and it is listed as acceptable, I don't think I'd be suprised if the jewel case was less than pristine. As a seller, I guess I expect buyers to read my descriptions (yeah, I know, laughable, right?)

Seller needs better pictures. Buyer was probably expecting too much.

If it was me, I'd probably just refund the buyers money.

Honestly I have been doing listings with pictures like this for a long, long time. Up until sellers were no longer allowed to leave negative feedback my feedback rating was 99.7% to 99.8%. Now what happens is buyers like Petey neglect to read the description and/or look at the pictures and then they come down on you hard because you have no recourse. It happens relatively frequently now. But a day has passed and now I will turn my attention to current auctions and let this bullshit fade away. Until next week I suppose.

Kitsune Sniper

08-10-2010, 05:43 PM

eskobar

08-10-2010, 06:18 PM

Nebrazca78, was it necessary to open a thread for this stupidity ? .... you were exposed by a few buyers, hehehehe

crap ... he didn't even made a paypal claim !!!

ryborg

08-10-2010, 06:21 PM

Shanghai is in the third picture from the top.

The part of the photo that contains that game is 1.5" x 1". Do you honestly expect people to see the condition of the game in photo that tiny? Anything major would be noticeable, but to any collector, that's just not acceptable. It's stacked up next to other games, so you can't even see how the edges are.

But I don't have time to take FOUR HUNDRED or more pictures twice a month.

So don't sell or be prepared to face consequences like this. Quit trying to pass the buck.

Gameguy

08-10-2010, 09:02 PM

The part of the photo that contains that game is 1.5" x 1". Do you honestly expect people to see the condition of the game in photo that tiny? Anything major would be noticeable, but to any collector, that's just not acceptable. It's stacked up next to other games, so you can't even see how the edges are.
So far nobody mentioned something obvious from the description.

Other items I have for sale are pictured below.

Reading that makes me think the copy of Shanghai pictured is another copy, different from the one included in the auction. This whole thread is funny. LOL

nebrazca78

08-11-2010, 04:35 AM

And you've completely ignored my "Why do you delete your pictures after the items have been sold" question. Awesome.

Because I use a template for listing. I delete the old pictures from the server and upload the new ones for the current auctions. If I didn't do this I'd have to change the file names in the template every time. I used to do it that way but it got old having to change the names every time. That was a couple years ago and there has never been a problem until now.

Nebrazca78, was it necessary to open a thread for this stupidity ? .... you were exposed by a few buyers, hehehehe

crap ... he didn't even made a paypal claim !!!

Yeah you're probably right but it was nice to vent a bit too.

The part of the photo that contains that game is 1.5" x 1". Do you honestly expect people to see the condition of the game in photo that tiny? Anything major would be noticeable, but to any collector, that's just not acceptable. It's stacked up next to other games, so you can't even see how the edges are.

So don't sell or be prepared to face consequences like this. Quit trying to pass the buck.

That's the point, so people can see any major damage and the condition of the front of the case. If he looked at the picture he could have easily seen the cracks on the front of the case. He just didn't bother to look. Try not to forget we're also talking about a game listed with the condition as "acceptable". Even eBay's definition of "good" allows for case cracks so I really don't see where you're coming from on this one. And to say that method of listing is not acceptable to any collector is highly inaccurate IMO. Unless you're telling me the other 99% of people who buy games from me contain no collectors. Who am I trying to pass the buck to? A guy buys a game in "acceptable" condition, THE LOWEST CONDITION GRADE, and is surprised when the case is cracked. Seeing as how eBay's "good" definition allows for cracks plus there was a picture that showed the cracks I can't agree with your assessment at all.

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megasdkirby

08-11-2010, 07:47 AM

That's the point, so people can see any major damage and the condition of the front of the case. If he looked at the picture he could have easily seen the cracks on the front of the case. He just didn't bother to look.

I fell for this once. When I was extensively trying to complete my US SMS set. I had bid on a boxed copy of Buster Douglas. The picture shown looked great, but it was the front part of the box. Not once did the seller show the back side of the box. All he said was that it was in great condition. I forgot to ask for a picture of the back of the box, and I fell for this "condition status". When it arrived, the back of the box was severely damaged, with a huge rip/torn that was nasty to the eye. He was adamant that he listed this in the auction, which was not true. I even asked him to prove he did and to pinpoint where in the listing he stated that. He never answered that question, and just kept saying how much of a "bad buyer" I was. I knew I was at fault for not asking for detailed questions and requesting pictures, but it's not that the seller was innocent either, as I feel he purposely hid this fact from the listing in order to sell the game. If he would have had mentioned this, his listing would not have even been on "the radar" of many of those interested.

So yes, it's very important to have decent pictures. A small picture can be very hard to find any faults with the item, so it's better off having a high resolution of the picture on the listing, even if it's just a link to another site. That way, buyers can see the item in detail and not just see the small picture on the listing.

I know you mentioned that this is the first time, but if you continue the same practice that caused this situation now, it WILL continue in the future with other buyers. Use preventative measures now in order to eliminate, or at least reduce, these occurrences.

Who am I trying to pass the buck to? A guy buys a game in "acceptable" condition, THE LOWEST CONDITION GRADE, and is surprised when the case is cracked. Seeing as how eBay's "good" definition allows for cracks plus there was a picture that showed the cracks I can't agree with your assessment at all.

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Pictures lie, specially if it's small and does not show defects well. You should state the entire cosmetic condition on your listing, even those that are diminutive. On some links I notice that you state that it is "acceptable", but the picture shown for the item in question (if it is the same item, as it is hard to actually say it is) has parts of it chipped off in a corner. Yet you don't mention this fact. A simple "Game and box are very worn, and the corners have been chipped off". would suffice. Or are you scared that said description would reduce item views and hence, potential profit?

jonebone

08-11-2010, 09:13 AM

That's understandable that some people feel that way. But I don't have time to take FOUR HUNDRED or more pictures twice a month. But the bottom line is there is a picture of every boxed or complete game. So no one can say there was not a picture of the actual item unless there is a hosting problem.

So you have time to pack and ship about FOUR HUNDRED packages, but don't have time to photograph them? You're just lazy and want to put in the bare minimum effort to get a sale, that is all.

When you don't have time to satisfy your customers, you'll get negatives. Simple as that.

Honestly I have been doing listings with pictures like this for a long, long time. Up until sellers were no longer allowed to leave negative feedback my feedback rating was 99.7% to 99.8%. Now what happens is buyers like Petey neglect to read the description and/or look at the pictures and then they come down on you hard because you have no recourse. It happens relatively frequently now.

Frequently huh? I'm at 1408 feedback, more than your 1121, and I'm also at 100%, more than your 99%. I don't get negatives because I take the time to list my games properly. Stop blaming the system because plenty of us know what we're doing.

Kitsune Sniper

08-11-2010, 11:52 AM

Because I use a template for listing. I delete the old pictures from the server and upload the new ones for the current auctions. If I didn't do this I'd have to change the file names in the template every time. I used to do it that way but it got old having to change the names every time. That was a couple years ago and there has never been a problem until now.

Hey, I USE A TEMPLATE TOO. Most of my auctions use the same basic template. Changing the file name on a picture address is too much work? Really?

g00ber

08-11-2010, 03:57 PM

Complaining to the seller that you didn't get what you expected (when you didn't even know what to expect) is pretty lame.

Resorting to calling the guy a 'scammer' (which is pretty far from the truth) is also pretty lame.

Accept the loss.

And don't leave negative feedback - the guy sold you exactly what was advertised, even if you didn't get what you were expecting.

megasdkirby

08-11-2010, 04:27 PM

And don't leave negative feedback - the guy sold you exactly what was advertised, even if you didn't get what you were expecting.

Not true.

I can sell a game and say "plays perfectly" and put it under "acceptable". Yet when my buyer receives it, he/she will get a dog chewed copy, scratched to all hell, smudgy, etc. I as the seller could have easily stated these facts, but I know that if I do, I will probably have less "hits" and probably not sell. However, it is MY RESPONSIBILITY to state the item accurately and not hide any facts. I am being deceitful by not saying anything other than it's "acceptable" and "it plays perfectly".

Hell, if I was a real douche, I can say "Well, the game loads right? So it plays perfectly. I never said it will play through the end without any issues".

brykasch

08-11-2010, 06:43 PM

Lessons-

1. Read the description entirely, look at the photos. Do you want/need more information before deciding to bid? Contact the seller.

2. Is there something in the auction that seems out of place? Again e-mail the seller, don't bid and then be sruprised.

3. sellers, take the time to describe your auction. your running a business so to speak, act like it, or be happy when you get .1 bids, or none at all. Be honest in your descriptions, if your not your gonna end up dealing with it anyways.

nebrazca78

08-11-2010, 11:16 PM

There are a lot of different perspectives in this thread. It looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree because there is no consensus at all. Some people say it's my fault, some say it's his and some say both of us are partially to blame. Well so be it, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I will never agree that buying a game listed as "acceptable" and then blaming the seller when it arrives in said condition is Ok. Why should I have to put in the description twice that it has cracks? The eBay condition ratings for "good" and "acceptable" already provide for that.

Bandicat

08-12-2010, 01:50 AM

Mayhem

08-12-2010, 08:07 AM

Having actually taken the time to read this thread now, I've come to two conclusions. One is how it's actually remained civil while others tend to deteriorate. Hah hah. The other is to agree with several other posters that if you don't have the time to individually photograph items in decent size to show what the description is lacking (and I'd certain want to see the condition of BOTH sides of the box, the manual and cartridge), then don't sell. And don't whine, whinge or complain when others bring up the same issues when you sell. Spend the time to be a proper seller...

eskobar

08-12-2010, 11:02 AM

Most of us are clearly over-reacting about this fact.

It's true that a game should be listed with an individual photo and show the basic angles of a product .... but a very common and cheap game listed as "acceptable" shouldn't be treated as COLLECTOR QUALITY.

At least, if i am looking for pristine quality I WILL NEVER buy a game described as acceptable ... And the seller is obviously over-reacting because he was pointed about his ebay-listing habits, this thread doesn't qualify in any way for a "ultimate douchebag" ....

mobiusclimber

08-12-2010, 02:39 PM

The buyer could always mail the seller a box of poop. THEN it would be worth making an entire topic about it.

aaron7

08-12-2010, 09:10 PM

So you have time to pack and ship about FOUR HUNDRED packages, but don't have time to photograph them? You're just lazy and want to put in the bare minimum effort to get a sale, that is all.

When you don't have time to satisfy your customers, you'll get negatives. Simple as that.

Frequently huh? I'm at 1408 feedback, more than your 1121, and I'm also at 100%, more than your 99%. I don't get negatives because I take the time to list my games properly. Stop blaming the system because plenty of us know what we're doing.

bam. /thread

nebrazca78

08-16-2010, 01:14 AM

What's so hard about changing a filename in an auction template? I don't get it.

Also, I say you go to photobucket or imageshack, etc and upload the photo that was used in your auction, so the entire forum can see it and make their own opinion of whether or not it was adequate.

It's not just a single filename, it's every file name. It isn't that hard and I used to do it that way but it saves time and eliminates errors when you don't have to change the filenames. I would post the picture but I don't have it any more. I don't keep archives of old pictures because this has never been a problem until now. Looks like I will be keeping archives from now on though.

Most of us are clearly over-reacting about this fact.

It's true that a game should be listed with an individual photo and show the basic angles of a product .... but a very common and cheap game listed as "acceptable" shouldn't be treated as COLLECTOR QUALITY.

At least, if i am looking for pristine quality I WILL NEVER buy a game described as acceptable ... And the seller is obviously over-reacting because he was pointed about his ebay-listing habits, this thread doesn't qualify in any way for a "ultimate douchebag" ....

Yeah you're right, he's not the ultimate douche bag. It's just when someone calls me a liar I tend to get a little pissed. I'm the type of guy who even has trouble lying in situations where you're expected to. You know, like when your girlfriend asks you if she looks fat and so on. Or when you get a Christmas present you don't like. In fact I almost got thrown out of a buddy's house a couple weeks ago because his fiance asked me a direct question where I totally should not have told the truth. She ended up overreacting and it took about an hour to "talk her down" if you know what I mean.

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ryborg

08-16-2010, 02:08 AM

I'm the type of guy who even has trouble lying in situations where you're expected to. You know, like when your girlfriend asks you if she looks fat and so on. Or when you get a Christmas present you don't like.

what is it like not being able to function in society?

super nes

08-16-2010, 07:38 AM

:sob:

nebrazca78

08-17-2010, 03:07 AM

what is it like not being able to function in society?

Yeah well it's not like I tell the givers I don't like the gifts. That's just dickish. But most people are much better at feigning satisfaction. My reactions make it obvious whether or not I like something. Like last year when my mom got me Kingdom Grand Prix I was ecstatic. It made my night. But the year before she got me a slow-cooker or some other sort of kitchen fuckery and she could tell by the look on my face that I was thinking "what the hell?". I mean seriously how do you fake liking something like that? Of course I felt like dog shit because my lame reaction disappointed her as well but I am just not a good faker.

emceelokey

08-17-2010, 07:35 AM

Kitsune Sniper

08-17-2010, 09:36 AM

Yeah well it's not like I tell the givers I don't like the gifts. That's just dickish. But most people are much better at feigning satisfaction. My reactions make it obvious whether or not I like something. Like last year when my mom got me Kingdom Grand Prix I was ecstatic. It made my night. But the year before she got me a slow-cooker or some other sort of kitchen fuckery and she could tell by the look on my face that I was thinking "what the hell?". I mean seriously how do you fake liking something like that? Of course I felt like dog shit because my lame reaction disappointed her as well but I am just not a good faker.

Oh my god.

Just.

Oh god. It's a gift from THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT YOU INTO THIS WORLD. *facepalms*

Oobgarm

08-17-2010, 09:52 AM

Why is this thread even alive? Sweet Christ, this needs to die.

pseudonym

08-17-2010, 10:04 AM

Someone needs to lock this thread, I think.

jonebone

08-17-2010, 10:34 AM

I actually enjoy reading every post in this thread, let's keep it alive!

HappehLemons

08-17-2010, 11:09 AM

this was an interesting thread.

rpepper9

08-17-2010, 12:25 PM

Send that crock pot my way! I love a slow cooked roast, with the small potatoes, carrots, peas, maybe some beans, thick brown spiced gravy........ Mmmm, gravy.

ryborg

08-17-2010, 06:01 PM

Why is this thread even alive?

Comedy purposes. Sweet, nourishing comedy purposes.

Send that crock pot my way! I love a slow cooked roast, with the small potatoes, carrots, peas, maybe some beans, thick brown spiced gravy........ Mmmm, gravy.

I know! My mom gave me a crock pot once and instead of acting like a manchild, I said thanks and was willing to try it. I guess it sucks if you only eat Hot Pockets or whatever, but it's a damn useful kitchen appliance.

Gameguy

08-17-2010, 07:20 PM

I know! My mom gave me a crock pot once and instead of acting like a manchild, I said thanks and was willing to try it. I guess it sucks if you only eat Hot Pockets or whatever, but it's a damn useful kitchen appliance.
I kind of imagine the reaction. 0:29-1:16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTwf1PEjtSE

Bandicat

08-17-2010, 07:31 PM

I think nebrazca is the ultimate douche bag.

First he wines about his crappy auction, now he is whining about getting a gift he wasn't expecting, from his mother no less! I would never refer to a gift from my mother, no matter what it was as "kitchen fuckery."

ShovelThumb

08-17-2010, 08:37 PM

The problem here is defining "Acceptable".. It's like success.. It can't be measured numerically or anything like that.. it's quantitative.. which is why clearer description of quality of numerical indicators on quality is nice to have...

nebrazca78

08-18-2010, 12:22 AM

I think nebrazca is the ultimate douche bag. Just the fact that the title of this thread is name calling another member of this forum that essentially gave you money makes you so. I've had buyers that have been problematic and as a "pro" you should just deal with it and move on.

While childish to retort, my name calling was in response to his. But you're right I should have just let it go and chalked it up to noobism.

Your one negative feedback from this guy has now cost you a lot more business because of this thread and not because of the feedback.

I don't know about that, sales are up. But maybe they would be doing even better without this thread, who knows.

Comedy purposes. Sweet, nourishing comedy purposes.

I know! My mom gave me a crock pot once and instead of acting like a manchild, I said thanks and was willing to try it. I guess it sucks if you only eat Hot Pockets or whatever, but it's a damn useful kitchen appliance.

I never said I didn't say thank you. Of course I said thank you. And I already had a crock pot and I haven't eaten Hot Pocket for about 10 years. Epic fail on your assumptions.

I kind of imagine the reaction. 0:29-1:16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTwf1PEjtSE

That video is disturbingly similar to what happened.

First he wines about his crappy auction, now he is whining about getting a gift he wasn't expecting, from his mother no less! I would never refer to a gift from my mother, no matter what it was as "kitchen fuckery."

I wasn't whining about the gift I was explaining a situation. And considering my mom doesn't even text I'm sure she will never see this.

The problem here is defining "Acceptable".. It's like success.. It can't be measured numerically or anything like that.. it's quantitative.. which is why clearer description of quality of numerical indicators on quality is nice to have...

I think part of the problem is eBay's out of whack condition ratings. "Acceptable" condition is defined by eBay as "An item with obvious and significant wear but is still operational". "Good" condition is defined by eBay as "May have minor damage to jewel case including scuffs or cracks, or to the item cover including scuffs, scratches, or cracks". Now I don't know about you but these two definitions are very similar to me and neither of them describe an item I consider to be in "Good" condition. I would call games with those problems "Fair" condition. I also think their definition of "Very Good" and "Like New" are too similar. So basically you are left with what boils down to be only two condition ratings. The larger problem is that now you are forced to use these condition ratings. Unless you are going to put a disclaimer in every auction saying something like "don't pay attention to eBay's condition ratings" you're SOL. And that doesn't work because after talking to eBay reps on the phone at length about this, whatever is input for the item specifics always trumps what the description says. For instance, if the shipping and payments section says shipping is $4 but the description says it's $10 and there is an issue, eBay considers $4 to be the shipping cost. This is a common issue because eBay limits non-calculated shipping to $4 in the games category. When people are selling larger lots they often enter $4 in shipping and payments but will then note a different shipping cost in the description. Happens all the time in Canadian auctions because the Canadian shipping calculator is said to be very inaccurate. So I will continue to do things the way eBay forces but not because I agree with their condition definitions.