Buying Scart for my consoles but want to make sure

[Gavica]

This is the Converter I would need right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SCART-RGB-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Transcoder-/330462271048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf1161648

Also, since I have to buy an American power Adapter (it comes with european as stated in the auction), should I buy the one he is selling for $10 or is it cheaper to buy at Radioshack?

Also, which scart cables would I need for my Genesis Model 2 and Sega Saturn?

[chrisbid]

http://www.consolegoods.co.uk/

this site has scart cables for the genesis, neo geo, saturn and snes



i would also pick up a cheap scart switchbox with audio out.

[alec006]

Here's the SCART switch box I purchased. It has audio out so you can hook it up to your sound system. http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Way-Scart-Selector-Switch-SLx-Gold-AV-Switcher-Box_W0QQitemZ270620736483QQcategoryZ61395QQcmdZVie wItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26 its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%2 52BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D260618717504% 26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5893350875375709544

I bought the same CVS287 and added the $10 power adapter. A 12 Volt power adapter will run you about $24 at Radioshack.

As for the Genesis Model 2, look for a MegaDrive Model 2/32x/CDX cable. On the Saturn just look for a Saturn SCART cable. ConsoleGoods has both of them for the price I got my SNES and MegaDrive cables for off eBay.

One more thing,be sure to have a component cable and a stereo audio cable.

[Zapf]

This is the Converter I would need right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SCART-RGB-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Transcoder-/330462271048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf1161648

Also, since I have to buy an American power Adapter (it comes with european as stated in the auction), should I buy the one he is selling for $10 or is it cheaper to buy at Radioshack?

Also, which scart cables would I need for my Genesis Model 2 and Sega Saturn?

I got my saturn rgb scart cable from the electric quarter, and my genesis and snes (special NTSC order, this seller's snes cable is normally wired for PAL) ones from pcenginesales on ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/pcenginesales . She also sells some scart switches but I didn't see any with separate audio out.
Sometimes the switches found on ebay can be hit or miss - I'm normally wary of any that don't explicitly mention RGB support but if alec006 is OK with that one, I wouldn't worry.

You made sure your tv supports 240p on the component inputs, right (if you are using the component inputs on a CRT, disregard this)? If you need to test, try some ps1 games in a ps2 w/ component cables, or a virtual console nes game on a wii w/ component cables (wii should probably NOT be set to output progressive scan).

[Gameboy415]

Once I get a better TV I'm interested in connecting my consoles via Scart too.
Would this set up work with American consoles connecting to an American TV?

Consoles (SNES, Genesis w/SEGA CD and 32x, US and JP Saturn)
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RGB and AV Scart cable (from Consolegoods.co.uk)
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4 Way Scart Selector Switch SLx Gold AV Switcher Box (eBay)
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SCART RGB to YUV Component Video Converter,Transcoder (eBay)
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Component Cable to TV, Audio Cable to Sound System

Am I missing anything?

[alec006]

I got my saturn rgb scart cable from the electric quarter, and my genesis and snes (special NTSC order, this seller's snes cable is normally wired for PAL) ones from pcenginesales on ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/pcenginesales . She also sells some scart switches but I didn't see any with separate audio out.
Sometimes the switches found on ebay can be hit or miss - I'm normally wary of any that don't explicitly mention RGB support but if alec006 is OK with that one, I wouldn't worry.

You made sure your tv supports 240p on the component inputs, right (if you are using the component inputs on a CRT, disregard this)? If you need to test, try some ps1 games in a ps2 w/ component cables, or a virtual console nes game on a wii w/ component cables (wii should probably NOT be set to output progressive scan).

Yea that's actually where I got my SNES and Genesis cables. She's very nice and helps you choose which ones to buy. Ask for 240i,yes most CRT's should support it,mine does but it is fairly new,sucks it doesn't support 480p thou. And yes the selector box does output RGB SCART thankfully. It's not too bad of a box,but there are far better ones out there if you wanna spend the money.


Once I get a better TV I'm interested in connecting my consoles via Scart too.
Would this set up work with American consoles connecting to an American TV?

Consoles (SNES, Genesis w/SEGA CD and 32x, US and JP Saturn)
l
RGB and AV Scart cable (from Consolegoods.co.uk)
l
4 Way Scart Selector Switch SLx Gold AV Switcher Box (eBay)
l
SCART RGB to YUV Component Video Converter,Transcoder (eBay)
l
Component Cable to TV, Audio Cable to Sound System

Am I missing anything?

Nope doesn't look like it. Just be sure to make sure its NTSC compatible.

[Zapf]

Yea that's actually where I got my SNES and Genesis cables. She's very nice and helps you choose which ones to buy. Ask for 240i,yes most CRT's should support it,mine does but it is fairly new,sucks it doesn't support 480p thou. And yes the selector box does output RGB SCART thankfully. It's not too bad of a box,but there are far better ones out there if you wanna spend the money.

Nope doesn't look like it. Just be sure to make sure its NTSC compatible.

I wasn't trying to imply a crt wouldn't support 240p, I was more referring to a lot of lcd tvs that, while they do support 480i, they choke on 240p.

If you happen to have one of those and still want to do the RGB thing, there is a cheap, good RGB scart -> hdmi converter /upscaler out there called the lenkeng lk360 - you can get it for the same price as the RGB scart -> component transcoder

[alec006]

Right,I was just agreeing with your statement about CRT's supporting 240i/p.

Ask for the HDMI upscaler, it does make things easier with one cable and easy HDMI convience but,the upscaling to 720p is what ruins the sharpness of RGB.

[Zapf]

Your input is getting upscaled regardless on an lcd/plasma, whether its the box doing it or your tv's internal upscaler.

[alec006]

Your input is getting upscaled regardless on an lcd/plasma, whether its the box doing it or your tv's internal upscaler.

True,least CRT's only upscale to 480 so it doesn't look too bad. Being an audio/videophile I do strongly believe that classic games should be played on a CRT or RGB monitor.

[Arasoi]

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Way-Scart-Selector-Switch-SLx-Gold-AV-Switcher-Box_W0QQitemZ270620736483QQcategoryZ61395QQcmdZVie wItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26 its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%2 52BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D260618717504% 26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5893350875375709544

I use this switcher for some of my consoles as well. It works well, and with its output piped into my Pelican System Selector Pro via breakout cable I save on inputs.


True,least CRT's only upscale to 480 so it doesn't look too bad. Being an audio/videophile I do strongly believe that classic games should be played on a CRT or RGB monitor.

I agree with this for the most part (I run RGB into Sony PVMs) but it seems LCDs/Plasmas get a bit of a bad rap for classic gaming. With a good scaler like an XRGB2/3 the result is pretty fantastic.

Also.. I don't think 240i is a proper term for low res signals, it's 240p.

[Zapf]

True,least CRT's only upscale to 480 so it doesn't look too bad. Being an audio/videophile I do strongly believe that classic games should be played on a CRT or RGB monitor.

CRTs dont really upscale - they have no native resolution, crt technology allows them to draw their max resolution the same way they draw their lowest resolution (with more or less lines being drawn obv). Here is more info on game resolutions and stuff - http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

edit: oh I guess you might call 480i crt tvs being fed a 240p signal sorta upscaled. Only 240 lines are being drawn though.

[alec006]

I use this switcher for some of my consoles as well. It works well, and with its output piped into my Pelican System Selector Pro via breakout cable I save on inputs. I agree with this for the most part (I run RGB into Sony PVMs) but it seems LCDs/Plasmas get a bit of a bad rap for classic gaming. With a good scaler like an XRGB2/3 the result is pretty fantastic.

Also.. I don't think 240i is a proper term for low res signals, it's 240p.

The XRGB-2 is something I would love to get for an LCD since it's converting it to VGA and its only up-scaling to 640x480 at 31khz right? Also yes true it is 240p,although I have heard of certain consoles doing integrated scan modes as well.


CRTs dont really upscale - they have no native resolution, crt technology allows them to draw their max resolution the same way they draw their lowest resolution (with more or less lines being drawn obv). Here is more info on game resolutions and stuff - http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

Thanks for link,I always thought that CRT's at least computer or RGB monitors not TV's had a "native" or recommended resolution like a 15 inch iMac CRT, it's max resolution is 1024x768. I'm sure it could display something higher but,it starts looking bad and blurry.

[Arasoi]

The XRGB-2 is something I would love to get for an LCD since it's converting it to VGA and its only up-scaling to 640x480 at 31khz right?

Basically so yes. They perform very well with 4:3 resolution signals, and have a simulated scanline mode as well, for us CRT purists. I know that the XRGB3 can do 4:3 or 16:9 modes interchangeably, I don't own either unit so couldn't tell you if the 2/2+ can as well.

[eastbayarb]

See my link here where I have tested my systems and AC adapter reccomendation:

http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3580.0

I also use SCART cables for all my systems, and I have 3 (soon to be 4, since I got my SCART/RGB French 7800, intellivision and colecovision systems) 4-way SCART switchers (which have VGA on the end of them, which are hooked up to my 6-way VGA switcher along with my dreamcast, gamecube).

Here's my current setup:http://a.imageshack.us/img651/1608/gamesetup1.th.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/gamesetup1.jpg/)

[Arasoi]

SCART/RGB French 7800, intellivision and colecovision systems)

I've read these systems (specifically the Intel/Coleco ones) are 50hz output only, could you confirm/deny? I know the French 7800 has an RGB encoder board that takes the chroma/luma and transcodes it into RGB. The same could be accomplished via a standard 7800 svideo mod with a small IC to transcode S-video to RGB (though considering none of the 7800s have "native" RGB output, I question why.)

[staxx]

See my link here where I have tested my systems and AC adapter reccomendation:

http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3580.0

I also use SCART cables for all my systems, and I have 3 (soon to be 4, since I got my SCART/RGB French 7800, intellivision and colecovision systems) 4-way SCART switchers (which have VGA on the end of them, which are hooked up to my 6-way VGA switcher along with my dreamcast, gamecube).

Here's my current setup:http://a.imageshack.us/img651/1608/gamesetup1.th.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/gamesetup1.jpg/)

Hey do you still have that slight bend in the top right corner? If you resolved, let me know what you did, I have still yet to resolve that issue and tested it on a SNES and Dreamcast.

[alec006]

A Mitsubshi monitor,wow it's been awile since I've seen one of those. The only bad thing about those silver switch boxes is that,well mine dosen't have switches at all so I can only have one thing on at a time. I really would like to have a JS965 by Joytech but they seem to be hard to find.

[eastbayarb]

Hey do you still have that slight bend in the top right corner? If you resolved, let me know what you did, I have still yet to resolve that issue and tested it on a SNES and Dreamcast.

No, I haven't resolved that yet, nor do I know how to solve it. I really don't see a slight bend that much. I do however see some discoloration on the top right, but it's not that noticeable when you actually play. When you aren't playing, and when the screen is blue (when there is not signal), on the top right I see a light red spot.


A Mitsubshi monitor,wow it's been awile since I've seen one of those. The only bad thing about those silver switch boxes is that,well mine dosen't have switches at all so I can only have one thing on at a time. I really would like to have a JS965 by Joytech but they seem to be hard to find.

Mine does have a selector button, and it is very convenient. I got it for pretty cheap on ebay (VGA switch boxes with more than say, 3 or 4 inputs are much more expensive). It helps because 3 of the VGA inputs are for each of my 4-way SCART switchers, one is for Dreamcast, another for Gamecube, and one left over that I sometimes use for testing a PC.

[Zapf]

Hey do you still have that slight bend in the top right corner? If you resolved, let me know what you did, I have still yet to resolve that issue and tested it on a SNES and Dreamcast.

I had a similar problem on the snes whenever the screen got especially bright, I resolved it by increasing the capacitance on the r, g, b lines

[Gavica]

Ok the box I linked above arrived today, I tested my SNES with a scart I had bought earlier from fleabay.

So far its bad, the colors have this greenish tint and they are nowhere near as sharp as with my S-Video cable.
Dunno if its just a bad scart cable? won't know for sure until my Genesis and Saturn Scart cables arrive and I can test them.

Did anyone else have a similar problem?

[Gavica]

OK I took 2 pics

First is with the SCART

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8906/scartz.jpg


Second is with SVIDEO

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7319/svideo.jpg

[alec006]

Ok the box I linked above arrived today, I tested my SNES with a scart I had bought earlier from fleabay.

So far its bad, the colors have this greenish tint and they are nowhere near as sharp as with my S-Video cable.
Dunno if its just a bad scart cable? won't know for sure until my Genesis and Saturn Scart cables arrive and I can test them.

Did anyone else have a similar problem?

Yea,I had the same problem,you have to open the box and adjust one of the pots (Potentiometers). Turning it slightly to the left using a phillips head increases the "Blue" level. You wanna turn the one closest to the "Y" or green output jack shown here : http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/darkknux_2006/0911100106-00.jpg. All the others adjust sharpness,saturation and a few other things,tinker around with them a bit to get the best picture. They only go about a quarter of a turn so don't force them any further when they stop turning.

Also note,the cheap switch box kind of dims the picture slightly when everything is plugged into it,least mine does.

[Gavica]

Ok, I managed to tweak the colors and I think I got it down. On the left is Scart on the right is Composite.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4679/scart01.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6233/scart02.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3387/scart03.jpg

[Purkeynator]

bumping this thread so I don't lose it