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Manhattan Sports Club
10-21-2010, 05:08 PM
I mean, its obvious when you have Flame Man vs. Blizzard Man type scenarios (fire vs. ice), but I don't understand things like Pharaoh Shot beats Ring Man, or Plant Barrier beats Tomahawk Man. What the heck? Can anyone explain?

ccovell
10-21-2010, 06:45 PM
Re: Rockman/Megaman 3:

"I knew that if we had more time to polish it, we could do a lot of things better, make it a better game, but the company said that we needed to release it. The whole environment behind what went into the production of the game is what I least favored. Numbers one and two – I really wanted to make the games; I was so excited about them. Number three – it just turned very different." - Inafune

Rinse, lather, repeat for Rockmans 4+

Manhattan Sports Club
10-22-2010, 12:15 AM
I appreciate the response, but I don't find it entirely satisfactory as MM2's strategy didn't make much sense either. MM1 was the closest but still has some notable inconsitencies, the biggest for me being Elecman. I mean allegedly a scissor weapon (like cutman's) can cut wires, but Elecman doesn't use wires. Plus, I find Elecman vs. Iceman to be a bit questionable, and so on.

Emuaust
10-22-2010, 12:22 AM
I think maybe you have far too much time on your hands if you're thinking this in depth about a Mega Man game...

ryborg
10-22-2010, 12:38 AM
I appreciate the response, but I don't find it entirely satisfactory as MM2's strategy didn't make much sense either. MM1 was the closest but still has some notable inconsitencies, the biggest for me being Elecman. I mean allegedly a scissor weapon (like cutman's) can cut wires, but Elecman doesn't use wires. Plus, I find Elecman vs. Iceman to be a bit questionable, and so on.

totally agree, that's why the mm series is absolute shit. manhattan sports club you should read this

WHY THEY NEVER HAVE ANYTHING FROM THEIR PAST GAMES!
Really! You think that these boobs would get some smarts for all their adventuring and realize keeping their previous stuff might be a good idea. After all, you never know when Sigma or Wily will be at it again. But hey-maybe it isn't their fault! Maybe there's another reason for it.
With Mega Man, I have a few ideas. Mandi Paugh, the creator of THE MEGA MAN HOMEPAGE() had a good one. Perhaps when Mega Man warps out of Wily's fortress, an energy shield traps the weapons and separates their warp energy signatures from the rest of him. I give credit for this one to Mandi Paugh. She also said something along the lines of that after a while, their primary energy(Yeah, not the kind you charge, but the source from which they were brought into existence) would peter out. Somewhere along the lines of about four months. Mandi is truly a whiz for coming up with these wonderful explanations, and it applies equally for the Weapons in the X series.
But this still leaves out the Rush Modifications, the Sub-Tanks, the Heart Tanks, the X enhancements(Am I making my point here?)
Rush Modifications are weird to look at. Maybe Light just keeps coming up with new ones(As exampled in how they work) and the old ones he tosses away. Seeking for perfection is a hard task.
Sub-Tanks and Heart Tanks fit into my explanation about why Sub-Tanks were better than E-Tanks. Remember how I said they had figured out waste disposal? It only makes sense the same technology would be applied in these cases. What am I saying? They BIODEGRADE. You know, get turned into dust and other such particles! Then, you have to get new ones in the games after that.
The X enhancements take a bit of digging into the Japanese Mangas to find the answer for. If you've read the X2 Mangas(Or seen some of their early pages at least) You'll see X remembering how he was so anguished over the fact that there had to be so much suffering. You'll also see him tossing his Helmet away in Disgust, and later not wearing his X1 Enhancements, with a binding ring around his Buster arm. Why?
Remember; X is more along the lines of a pacifist. He hates War, he feels disgust for violence and the like. It makes sense after his friend Zero croaked and everyone else did as well he would feel utterly trashed and would want to separate himself from it. But the sod still keeps up leading the 17th. So the answer here comes down to the simple fact X keeps the outfits until he no longer needs them. Then he stores them away for later(Why would he permanently toss them? They're the only link to his past!) And in some cases, uses them again. Where? Well, read the previews for X5. And for EOAD, DUH.


A LOOK AT THE BUSTERS
Huh? Whuzzat? Busters? Great! I need a new Dust Buster. My Dirt Devil bit the big one a while back, and my cat's shedding like a banshee on Just for Men!
Nah. Kidding with you again J . Anyhoo, what are 'Busters?' In the Mega Man games, Busters are what you always start out with, and they fire plasma. How does this work? Weelll, to 'splain this, we gotta look at ancient 200X history to the modern day.
When Mega Man first started gallivanting around in Mega Man 1, he was kind of outgunned. So, Light took an existing design of a plasma torch and modified it so it would shoot plasma. Plasma by the way for those sods who haven't been to Chem or Adv. Biology yet is a superheated, supercharged gas. The fourth state of matter, if you will! Anyhoo, here's how I figure it works. Mega Man forms an arm cannon(Which later in MM4 and up is replaced with the term, 'Mega Buster' and so on, but Arm Cannon still works) which basically pulls his hand back and sends out the nozzle end of his weapon. When Mega pulls the trigger, dust and matter is collected around the end of the Buster port, and then juiced up with some energy from Mega's main reactor. This 'weapon' function is a main system. What this does is heat up the air and matter, and effectively turn it into plasma. Then, it gets fired off at incredible speeds(Not light speed, but faster than sound) and possibly hits something. Note how a seemingly invisible form of matter takes color such as white(Or blue and green later on.) Is this an aftereffect, or possibly even one of the stipulations to the process? Possibly. One thing's for sure. Mega wasn't the only person to get this weapons system, although in the first two games it is very powerful than other people's. Who's the first enemy of Mega's to use a plasma shooting device?(Seriously, you know?) Ha! Gotcha there. It's the venerable old 'Met, or Metool(Multipurpose metal robotic tool, from what I can figure of it.) So venerable is the 'Met we see it even into the X series! But I lose my topic focus.
That entire process takes less time than it does for one of us to blink. And it kinda needs to, at the speeds which Mega's fights usually go. Elec Man does an incredible job of going JUST AS FAST as a plasma bullet. In Mega Man 3, the enemies seem to be a bit stronger against the weapon of choice, and that bothers us.
So, in Mega Man 4, we see the new arm cannon: The Mega Buster!(Mark 2, for those who are listening carefully.) This one charges up to a level three blast, which is thrice as strong as a basic shot, and becomes critical for taking out foes. Downside? In some of the NES games, Mega loses the charge when he's hit.
But how was this managed? Well, Light did some thinking. You see, Mega(and X as well) Can form Busters from either hand. They just favor their left more(Which I like, 'cuz I'm a lefty!) and that's the animation you'll see in the games. The problem with the arm cannons is you can't use both at once, or you'll have an overload, and your arms might blow off!(Ouch.) Anyhoo, once you reach maximum charge, I have two theories on what happens to prevent blowout.
Either the Buster stops taking in and 'plasmizing' matter, choosing to maintain the energy it already has, or
It disperses some charge as more plasma replaces it, possibly by a cooling system(Which would fit Protoman's makeout with those lovely heat grilles on his Buster! But we don't see this on Mega, so perhaps Mega's system does not use this cooling method.)
But X seems to have it lucky later on. Remember how I said that you can't use two at once? Well, a few times in the X series, YOU DO! How does Zero stop Vile from trashing you in X1 at Siggy's fortress? HE OVERLOADS HIS BUSTER. It makes sense along the lines of this article that what Zero might have done was override his safety protocols and formed both arm's Busters, charging them until the blast ripped him-and Vile's mech-apart.
But that's only from X1. Notice in X2 and X3, X's X-buster upgrade allows him to shoot plasma from both hands! How'd they manage this? All of a sudden, my line of reasoning's been destroyed!
Not quite, all. Light's upgrades are a pure marvel, and obviously in the waning days of his life, Light found a way to overcome the daunting problems of Buster overload, working wonders with mother plasma. In X2, X shoots two blasts, and in X3, he can combine them for a whopper blast.
So, any other questions about 'Busters?' I didn't think so.

THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN MM AND MMX!
Huh? What relationships? Is Erico smoking some bad drugs? Nah. I'm dead serious! Some people on the net just come up with THE CRAZIEST NUTTIES IDEAS THAT ARE DEAD WRONG! It ticks me off, and confuses others. What are relationships? What happens to who, who found who, who made who and the like.
First off, let's look at X's discovery and activation. Ignore everything about how Cain made X. That's NUTS! And how some people could say that, I don't know. But here's how it went;
Doc Light made Mega Man X in the waning days of his life. But the dude was still fearful of what might happen should X go nuts, so he gave X a 30 year test period of self diagnostics. 30 years later, a Paleontologist by the name of Cain(No first name ever given, I believe) dug up X's capsule and Light's lab with it. Where's Mega? Where's Roll? Obviously, not there or some mention would have been made. The place is dead empty, period. Anyhoo, Cain activates X and X stumbles around for a while, inhaling data until finally his sentience kicks into gear and he becomes what he is. Now, X is NOT A REPLOID. He is actually the prototype. Reploids(Or more accurately, Repliroids for Replicate Androids) is the robotic race created after Cain uses X's design to start a worldwide revolution. But there's a lot of changes, and the 30 Year Hibernation period is ignored. So what happens? PROBLEMS.
'Maverick' is the term given to reploids who revolted and decided humans were more of a pain than they were worth dealing with. Which might be true, considering how many BAD HUMANS are out there in the world. But anyhoo, we didn't like this. So, the Maverick Hunters were created!(Huzzah, huzzah.) Now up to this point, mavericks are just a bunch of reploids making a conscious decision on their own part and acting with full control.
But all things change, don't they?
In comes a very popular figurehead in the X series, a Crimson Demon by the name of Zero Omega.(What's up with Omega? Really, you only see 'Zero' for his name, so perhaps the word Omega really doesn't even belong here!) Anyhoo, here's how we meet Zero.
It's the spring after X's discovery, and the Hunters have been keeping the peace with a joyless Sigma(who although manages to smile all the time) at the lead as Commander. Well, off in some desert corner of the world there's trouble. Yup, another maverick attack. So, off goes a Hunter Unit led by Garma.(Garma? Play X4, and you'll hear it in Zero's storyline. It might also be Garner, Garna, or Karma. You decide, but the sound is there.) What happens is unexpected. It seems that Garma's Unit has been totally obliterated by a 'crazy red maverick' that is a big pain.
Well, off goes Sigma to see what's happened. Hunter scout patrols have already been posted at the ready, keeping watch over a section of ruins in the mountainside nearby. The maverick's gone inside of them, it seems. Well, Sigma being the rational Hunter he is volunteers to go in there and play hero.(Funny, this doesn't seem to work!)
Now we are witness to a battle of the Titans, where Sigma battles a maverick virus crazed Zero in a fight of survival. Sigma seems to have the upper hand at first, but Zero is just too demented of a puppy to be put down that easy.(Easy? The guy gets his head slammed into the ceiling, and he pops out of it with a wide grin on his face!) So it continues for a while, until at last Sigma gets to be a little concerned about it. This maverick's stronger than he thought! So, what's a Hunter to do? Easy! Pull out his beam saber and play Zorro.
This doesn't seem to work too well, though. And at long last our tainted savior Zero manages to slug off one of Siggy's arms.(Take it easy, there's no blood, just sparks.) Anyhoo, now Sigma REALLY starts to get the crud beat out of him, to the point where he gets those scar marks across his eyes and a huge tear on his cheek. Just as Sigma's about to go on to greener pastures, Zero's crystal cover over his control chip on his head flashes a blazing 'W'(Is this a tipoff to who made him? WILY WILY WILY WILY WILY!) Oi. This glitch is so painful, Zero can't attack. Sigma takes the opportunity and lays a knockout punch to the maverick Zero, which lands right on his helmet and smashes the crystal covering to the control chip. So what happens here? This is where we must look at future history to unravel events.
In X3 Doppler finds the cause for severe maverick action is the 'Maverick Virus.' Well, DUH. This is the thing that Zero was infected with. When Sigma laid out the knockout punch, the file was transferred to him, leaving Zero clean(For the most part, anyways.) of the virus, but making Sigma go maverick and begin the game series with X1. By some odd reason, Zero is not destroyed, which is usually the fate of any maverick.
No, by the time X1 rolls around, Zero has in fact become the leader of the Hunters in place of Sigma! So what happened here? I believe Sigma simply left the part that Zero was the maverick in that area out of it. Why? Perhaps the virus had already taken hold of him, and muddled his judgement. Or something along those lines.
So, the next point is, 'Wily? I thought he was dead!' Take it easy there, sluggers. He still is. But if the blazing yellow 'W' on Zero's crystal helmet cover wasn't clue enough, here's another. In X2, for a while they thought of having a 'W' at the bottom of Zero's health meter when you battled him. So, Wily created Zero. Big deal, right?
VERY BIG DEAL. Wily built Zero in response to X. How'd he know about X? Well, quite simply, because if you've played MM7, Bass stole a whole bunch of plans and stuff from Light's lab-including the schematics for X.
Well, if you were a crazy world-dominating ruler new Napoleon Zealot, the natural reaction to this discovery would be, 'Damn! I must not let good win!' So, Wily got to work on Zero. This is in the later half of the MM series, you know; THE TIMES YET TO BE. But Zero by himself isn't quite up there, no! Not strong enough. And Wily knows he'll be biting the dust soon enough anyways, so he gives Zero a bit of added programming, the nastiest and most devastating computer code ever typed out to a memory file;
That's right, chilluns: Albert Wily made the Maverick Virus. At the time, it didn't have a name. Wily also bestowed the code with a survival program, so that Zero could have others help him out in his quest to just make a mess of everything.
I believe the Maverick Virus has three functions; DESTROY, INFECT, SURVIVE.(In that order!) Nasty little sucka, isn't it? But because it does not infect computers-but walking robots like Mega or even reploids like Zero-it is far more dangerous than any Melissa Virus.
So, Wily 'lights' the candle. When? Perhaps it had an automatic fuse! Like TO BE SET OFF IN THE YEAR 21XX?
Or, a far more sinister suggestion; Wily finishes implanting the Virus file into Zero and turns the thing on, with instructions to go get rid of Mega and X, if the future blue bomber exists yet. What happens? The Virus works far too well. Zero attacks Wily, Bass and the others in the fortress and destroys them(Which might explain the vivid dream he has in the opening of X4.) Then he goes off on his original mission, and is met with force.
A force he utterly destroys. Perhaps this is why we do not see any of the Mega Man characters in the X series-they were destroyed by Zero!
In any case, along comes 21XX, and we're off.
Now, there are a few minor incidents I've noted in X1 that are worth mentioning.
Notice Sigma's dog, Velguarder. Doesn't he look like Treble?
And Rt-55J, guarding the armor capsule. Is that Auto?
You make up your own minds. But that's what I've got to say here.

kupomogli
10-22-2010, 02:12 AM
stuff

I started to read a part of the beginning but then got bored after the first sentence. I scrolled down and saw MM and MMX. Hopefully it's not another one of those people who think Mega Man and Mega Man X are in the same universe.

RP2A03
10-22-2010, 02:29 AM
Plus, I find Elecman vs. Iceman to be a bit questionable, and so on.
Actually, Elecman vs. Iceman makes perfect sense considering that really cold objects conduct electricity far better than warm objects; unless that object is a semiconductor. However, it is quite unlikely that Iceman has some sort of semiconductor material surrounding him that would make him immune to electrical attack.

Rob2600
10-22-2010, 03:51 PM
How come in The Legend of Zelda, a bracelet gives Link the ability to move giant boulders and in Super Mario Bros., touching a bouncing star gives Mario invincibility, but only for a few seconds?

Emuaust
10-22-2010, 04:31 PM
Wall of text

Let me say Im sorry to the original topic creator, Ryborg took "too much time" to a whole new level.

Sothy
10-22-2010, 04:36 PM
Jump and shoot. Or write the effing communist manifesto... whatever.

hellraiser
10-22-2010, 06:04 PM
Jump and shoot. Or write the effing communist manifesto... whatever.

I just finished the series last night for the first time...:pimp:

The plantman-tomahawk man from 6 had me thinking the same thing. I figured they thought native americans were closer to nature or something, Heck i dont know...

I ran. I shot. I slid. I powerd up my buster. Killed some robots and used their parts to kill other robots. Good enough for me... :rocker:

ps...
Shooting snakes to kill robots dont make alot of sense but its bad ass!!!

pseudonym
10-22-2010, 06:49 PM
The whole elemental weakness thing wasn't going to work after the first couple of games, but some of them make sense in their own way like Wood Man's weapons against Air Man, and Flash Man's weapon against Quick Man. Why is Metal Man weak against his own weapon, though? :oops:

I think Ryborg copy/pasted that wall of text from somewhere. It sounds like the insane ramblings of a Mega Man fan to me. @_@LOL

ryborg
10-22-2010, 10:05 PM
I think Ryborg copy/pasted that wall of text from somewhere. It sounds like the insane ramblings of a Mega Man fan to me. @_@LOL

shhhh it's funnier when people think i wrote that and am serious

Ryaan1234
10-23-2010, 12:21 AM
I think Ryborg copy/pasted that wall of text from somewhere. It sounds like the insane ramblings of a Mega Man fan to me. @_@LOL
shhhh it's funnier when people think i wrote that and am serious
Yes, I would say insane ramblings (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/286003/1/The_Collected_Studies_of_the_Physics_of_Mega_Man)
Good try Ryborg! Better luck next time!
LOL I still find the ramblings funny just because it reeks of obsessed fanboyism, even if Ryborg didn't write it himself.

Garry Silljo
10-24-2010, 01:06 PM
Drill man against Toad man makes sense. I'm told if you drill a hole though a toad it dies.

hellraiser
10-24-2010, 04:04 PM
Drill man against Toad man makes sense. I'm told if you drill a hole though a toad it dies.

dude!!! i spit soda all over my keyboard on that one!!!!