How many SNES games is there in total?

[Tommittaja]

so, i was watching ZetaPlays' videos on youtube and i saw that he had over 1700 snes games... some people claim that there are only 785 of them :P

i'm just really annoyed when i have only 771 of them and i don't want to miss any good games. :P (i play on emulators :D haha) just yesterday i came up with these ones: DoReMi adventure, Firemen, The adventures of batman & robin...

so how many are there actually?

[Steven]

so, i was watching ZetaPlays' videos on youtube and i saw that he had over 1700 snes games... some people claim that there are only 785 of them :P

i'm just really annoyed when i have only 771 of them and i don't want to miss any good games. :P (i play on emulators :D haha) just yesterday i came up with these ones: DoReMi adventure, Firemen, The adventures of batman & robin...

so how many are there actually?


The US library is in the 700's. But when you factor in Super Famicom and SNES PAL games, there are easily well over 1,500.

Good choices regarding DoReMi and The Firemen -- excellent games, particularly DoReMi which I find to be one of the most charming 16-bit video games around :)

[jb143]

DP rarity guide only lists 729...unless I counted wrong:?

Outside of non US games, it's also possible the youtube guy is counting doubles.

[jammajup]

Wiki says 779 but as your aware thats open to debate as its wiki lol,really needs an expert to confirm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games_ %28A-M%29

[Tommittaja]

Well, it's not like USA is the only place that has games. so i should pretty much download all the japanese released games too? o_O and european? damn... okay, so it's not 700+ mm.. have to get busy on the matter... :D haha going to take forever to narrow down the games that i have and don't. :P

E: is everyone serious? nobody counts in the japanese and european games?? what the... i'm dissappointed :D

[jb143]

Wiki says 779 but as your aware thats open to debate as its wiki lol,really needs an expert to confirm.


That's why you use wikipedia as a reference book and not as a reference itself. In otherwords, use it's references as your references. Which leads to this list from Nintendo...
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/gameslist/manuals/snes_games.pdf


E: is everyone serious? nobody counts in the japanese and european games?? what the... i'm dissappointed :D
In Japan at least, those would be Super Famicom games...so they wouldn't be counted. I know...semantics, semantics

[MasterJSP]

According to byuu's web page about preservation, there are 720 US games, 1442 JP games, and 534 EU games.

http://byuu.org/preservation/

EDIT: I'm pretty sure, however, that the 720 US total doesn't include Super Noah's Ark 3D. And I know for sure that it doesn't include Player's Choice label variations and Majesco reprints.

[byuu]

http://byuu.org/preservation/list-usa

The list is outdated, I have all of the USA games now.

There are 717 officially released games in the USA. I also have two that were only released in Mexico: Super Copa and Chavez II.

The official Nintendo list is actually wrong in many areas. For instance, it does list Chavez II that was never released in the states, but it does not list Chavez I that was in fact released here. It also does not list Frogger. And it has a few titles that were never released anywhere.

Anyway, best number I have for North American cartridges is 719. I do not count the Donkey Kong or Starfox competition cartridges, because they weren't for sale. Super Noah's Ark 3D and the military Super Scope games were unlicensed, so they do not count. Super Game Boy, Game Genie and X-Band Modem have ROMs but were not technically games themselves, so they don't count on my list. Right now I don't count the Exertainment two-in-one game, because it wasn't sold alone, but it probably should be counted.

I do not count multiple revisions of the same game.

You have my guesses for Japan and Europe, but those numbers are definitely wrong. Japan has lots of special-case games like ones that were only available digitally via flash cartridges (Nintendo Power cartridges), the BS-X games that masquerade as real games, the BS-X ones that are clearly only available over satellite, the BS-X data packs for various games - Same Game's may be sold in stores, some are obviously only from the BS-X Satellaview service, the Sufami Turbo data packs ...

And then there's Europe, shit. Who knows what is up with that. Which games were released in which regions, which ones were identical in multiple regions and which weren't, and on and on.

The whole thing is a giant mess :P

[badinsults]

Chavez II was released in the US and possibly some areas of Canada, at least in small quantities. The first copy of Chavez II I got was from a seller in Canada.

Really, I would group Super Copa and Chavez II in general North American releases anyways, as the packaging is the same. To exclude them based on some assumption that they didn't get sold in the US seems silly, because there is no way we can confirm this (unless somehow the ASC sales information becomes available).

http://www.snescentral.com/0/9/5/0953/Chavez_II-back.jpg

[Superman]

Chavez II was definitely released in the US. I know at the least, it was a Blockbuster rental, and that was the only place I saw it.

[portnoyd]

Anyway, best number I have for North American cartridges is 719. I do not count the Donkey Kong or Starfox competition cartridges, because they weren't for sale. Super Noah's Ark 3D and the military Super Scope games were unlicensed, so they do not count. Super Game Boy, Game Genie and X-Band Modem have ROMs but were not technically games themselves, so they don't count on my list. Right now I don't count the Exertainment two-in-one game, because it wasn't sold alone, but it probably should be counted.

720 is the number I stand by, that being the 719 byuu mentions plus MBR/SR.

Let's not get into the Super Copa debate. It's long, it's tedious and no one ever agrees.

[mikesides]

So where can I find a copy of the most accurate list?

[byuu]

Thank you all for the clarification on Chavez II. I apologize for my misinformation, my sources were obviously wrong.

Seems Super Copa is contentious here as well. Thankfully someone sent me the game for $40, there was no way in hell I would have paid the $150+ people ask for it on eBay.

Are there any other known non-USA-but-fit-USA-SNES commercial, licensed games out there? Something not on my list at all? It'd be nice to know I at least was able to collect at least one revision of every NTSC game.

[portnoyd]

International Superstar Soccer is the other one.

[poloplayr]

12, I reckon.

[Parodius Duh!]

Daze Before Christmas was only released in Germany for SNES.....and the Majority of Dragon Ball Z games were released in France (and Japan on super fami, obviously)...Some other Euro Exclusives off the top of my head: Turbo Toons, The Humans, Whirlo (also super fami), TinTin in Tibet, The Smurfs, The Smurfs travel the world, Micro Machines 2, Hungry Dinosaurs, Asterix, Asterix and Obelix, 90 minute european prime goal, Cannon Fodder, and a ton more....theres quite a few Euro Exclusives and some are specific to certain countries...

[Swamperon]

I live in the UK and I don't even try to sort out which other EU countries got which game. It would be a nightmare, as well as nearly impossible, to sort out.

I stick to games released purely in the UK. It's just much easier that way.

[Dred]

Some other Euro Exclusives off the top of my head: Turbo Toons, The Humans, Whirlo (also super fami), TinTin in Tibet, The Smurfs, The Smurfs travel the world, Micro Machines 2, Hungry Dinosaurs, Asterix, Asterix and Obelix, 90 minute european prime goal, Cannon Fodder, and a ton more....theres quite a few Euro Exclusives and some are specific to certain countries...
Check out Lucky Luke. For me, best game made by Infogrames for SNES.

And as I'm actually an European gamer, I can say that PAL exclusives aren't so interesting though. IMHO, there's no way to compare Asterix & Obelix with Kirby's Dream Land 3 or Magical Pop 'n.

PAL only release of English Terranigma just makes me angry because of ridiculous price of British and Australian versions of cartridges. Although I'm still learning German at school, it's freakin' hard to play Terranigma without using a dictionary. It kills for me the gameplay. English is so much easier to understand.

[Twin Paradox]

Okay, so I am closing in on my last few US SNES games. I currently just bought my 716th game. I just wanted to get my numbers straight before I went any further. Hopefully you guys can help me. I apologize for the length, but I tried to organize it in a way that was easy to follow.

The DP rarity guide lists exactly 722 US snes games. There are 5 pages of 138 games and 1 page of 32 games. Therefore:

5*(138) + 32 = 722

However, there are two games that are on the list that I think should not be:
1) Super Bomberman Party Pack
2) Extertainment Mountain Bike Rally / Speed Racer.

As far as I can tell from my research, the only difference between the Super Bomberman Party Pack and Super Bomberman is the inclusion of the Multi-tap and a larger box. Since I am just collecting loose carts, I feel justified in leaving that game out.

As far as EMBR/SR is concerned, it never saw an actual retail release. I have even read reports that the company that develeped the game had trouble confirming that it even existed, let alone that it was sold. Needless to say I am not counting this cart either.

So, this brings our total down to exactly 720. I DO count both the Donkey Kong and Starfox Competition Carts as part of the list, because they were official sold through Nintendo Power, as well as, some Blockbuster locations that hosted the competition.

The problem with this number, though, is that it is missing the following 3 games:

1) Super Copa
2) International Super Star Soccer
3) International Super Star Soccer Deluxe

If these games did see an actual US release (based on the printing on the back of the box art, it seems they did) that would bring the total to 723.

I know this topic has been debated and I understand that it can be a bit contentious. I just kind of wanted to see if my estimate makes sense and if anyone agrees with it.

Finally, just in case anyone cares, the reason that I didn't mention Super Noah's Ark 3D is because I already own it. If you don't consider it to be part of the US SNES library, then that would bring the total down to 722.

[Edmond Dantes]

so how many are there actually?

VEGETA: It's over NINE THOUSAAAAAAND!

NAPPA: What, nine thousand?!

[badinsults]

The Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer did get a limited release, I imagine it only got bought by a few gyms that carried the bike. About half the known copies came from the stash that anotherfluke got at a Nintendo employee sale.

Also, Edmond Dantes, old meme is old. :p

[Twin Paradox]

So, then you would argue that the total would be 724?

[Twin Paradox]

Anybody else want to throw in their 3391?

[Gameguy]

Soon Nightmare Busters will come out so that's another one to add to the list.

[SparTonberry]

It won't be an "official" (Nintendo-licensed) release.

[Gameguy]

It won't be an "official" (Nintendo-licensed) release.
True, but if anyone considers Super Noah's Ark 3D to be on the list then Nightmare Busters has to be included too. It's like the unlicensed games that still count for the NES, Micro Machines and others like it.

[Bardoly]

The Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer did get a limited release, I imagine it only got bought by a few gyms that carried the bike. About half the known copies came from the stash that anotherfluke got at a Nintendo employee sale.

Also, Edmond Dantes, old meme is old. :p


Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm closing in on completing a complete cart-only retail-released SNES cartridge set, and I want to get my ducks in a row, since according to my below reasoning, I only have 27 games left to go to complete a retail-released US SNES set.

It seems that Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer waas never released to retail (An employee warehouse cleaning sale doesn't count as a retail release.) and that the 2 competition carts were only available to people who had memberships with Nintendo Power, so it seems that these 3 carts shouldn't count in a retail-released set. It does seem that Super 3D Noah's Ark, ISS, ISSD, and Super Copa were all released to retail, and so they should all be counted in a retail-released set. I do understand that Super 3D Noah's Ark (and Nighmare Busters when it's finally released) wouldn't count in a licensed SNES set, but they would (and will) count towards a retail-released set.

I also dount count the Super Bomberman Party Pack, because the game is exactly the same as the regular release, and I'm only going for a cart-only set. This Super Bomberman Party Pack would only count for someone trying to complete a complete boxed set, since the box is different.

So, If I take the DP SNES list of 722 and deduct the 2 competition carts, Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer, and Super Bomberman Party Pack and then add ISS, ISSD, and Super Copa, then I come to the number 721 being the total for a retail-released cart-only US SNES set. (When Nightmare Busters is finally released, then this number will of course go up by one.)

Any more thoughts? Or am I missing/forgetting anything?

[Bardoly]

Well, any thoughts about my above post?

Thank you.

[D_N_G]

MBR/SR was found in the wild pre garage sale. Multiple collectors had copies as well way before the stash came to light. It was out there to be had, and should remain included.

Nigtmare Busters will never be on the list as retail released as the SNES is no longer in production or sold at retail. Its aftermarket/homebrew/repro category

The 3 Mexico soccer games is really up to you. They have shaky information surrounding them to include in a US set, but they are NTSC, and could be included in a North/South American set.

[Bardoly]

MBR/SR was found in the wild pre garage sale. Multiple collectors had copies as well way before the stash came to light. It was out there to be had, and should remain included.


Do you have anything to back up this statement? I'm not trying to be argumentative. I seriously want to know. I'm only 27 retail-released SNES games away from a complete set, and I need to decide if MBR/SR really counts, which will make it 28 games needed. (I'm not counting the 2 competition carts or the 3 MACS carts.)




Nigtmare Busters will never be on the list as retail released as the SNES is no longer in production or sold at retail. Its aftermarket/homebrew/repro category



What would the SNES no longer being in production have to do with Nightmare Busters not being considered a retail release?
I mean, I've read that SNES games were still being released in Japan and Mexico as late as 2000 and even later.
I'm not looking for "SNES games-which-were-only-retail-released-during-the-time-that-the-SNES-was-still-being-sold-at-retail".

For this question also, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just haven't been a "collector" that long with the "collector" mindset, and I want to get my thoughts in order concerning my collecting mentality.

[TonyTheTiger]

I guess part of why the topic of Nightmare Busters causes such a stink is because it gives a hell of a lot of power to small operations that work outside the "system" so to speak. Not that Super Fighter Team would ever do this but imagine if they up and decided to sell one copy and only one copy. Now magically only one person in the world can ever complete a full SNES set years after the console was relevant? Even if that's the logical extension, it tends to sound real fishy to people.

[Bardoly]

I guess part of why the topic of Nightmare Busters causes such a stink is because it gives a hell of a lot of power to small operations that work outside the "system" so to speak. Not that Super Fighter Team would ever do this but imagine if they up and decided to sell one copy and only one copy. Now magically only one person in the world can ever complete a full SNES set years after the console was relevant? Even if that's the logical extension, it tends to sound real fishy to people.

I understand what you're saying, wouldn't your reasoning exclude MBR/SR as well? (I'm not an expert on MBR/SR at all. I'm actually trying to learn more about it, so don't take offense.)

That aside, what would it take? A video game store ordering 5 copies of Nightmare Busters from Super Fighter Team, and then selling them (retail) to the public on their shelves? I mean, over at Nintendo Age dot com, I've been reading with interest the NES games discussions about some of the unlicensed NES games which were rented in '95-'96 which was after the NES's normal market lifespan, I believe. It seems that only a couple of stores purchased those titles, and yet those games are considered by many to be part of the 'canon' of retail-released NES games. I mean, what if Super Fighter Team worked out a deal with a major national chain (i.e. Gamestop or somewhere similar) and that chain put 2 copies of the newly released Nightmare Busters in every store. Would that count as a retail release? I suppose that there should be a standard, but who has the authority to set it? What if Nintendo of America added Nightmare Busters to their official list of SNES games?

[portnoyd]

I suppose that there should be a standard, but who has the authority to set it?

The only authority is really what one wants to believe. However, the consensus among many is anything by a homebrewer, small (think Nolan Bros) or "large" (Good Deal Games, Super Fighter Team) is not part of the set outside of the timeline of the system's lifespan. The lifespan is important although arbitrarily decided within some fact. Games that are technically by what we would call a large homebrewer today include a chunk of titles made for the Atari 2600.


What if Nintendo of America added Nightmare Busters to their official list of SNES games?

Your lack of common sense is killing me here. Please don't mention scenarios that will never, ever happen. They do not bolster your case.

Your reasoning will make you the only one to consider Nightmare Busters as part of a complete set. Be prepared to be Internet-berated whenever you mention this.

If you're looking for back up to what DNG and I have said, we are the ones who built the SNES guide and specifically wrote it for the DP Advance book. We have done the research, a long ass time ago.

[Bardoly]

Your lack of common sense is killing me here. Please don't mention scenarios that will never, ever happen. They do not bolster your case.

Your reasoning will make you the only one to consider Nightmare Busters as part of a complete set. Be prepared to be Internet-berated whenever you mention this.

If you're looking for back up to what DNG and I have said, we are the ones who built the SNES guide and specifically wrote it for the DP Advance book. We have done the research, a long time ago.

Thank you for your interest enough to respond, but I'm not looking to be castigated for simply asking questions. I appologize if it somehow offends you that I was busy with other things years ago when you and several others were researching various games. In my very recent posts in this thread I mentioned 3 times that I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just looking for information. If you either don't have the information that I'm looking for or don't choose to share it, then that's your prerogative, but I would request that you don't stomp all over 'newbies' who haven't aquired all of your hard-won knowledge yet. (I mean, if you asked me about a topic that I have more knowledge about than yourself, I wouldn't upbraid you for your lack of comon sense.) I've been playing video games since 1989 and a member of GameFaqs for over 6 years, although I just recently discovered this website, so I do have some knowledge of classic games (mostly NES, SNES, Game Boy, and TG-16), but there is still a lot of knowledge that I'm lacking, including Nintendo's attitute towards adding titles to their list of SNES games. How would I know it without asking?

Once again, portnoyd, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I'm simply looking for information and trying to wrap my mind around the 'set' of SNES games which I choose to collect. i.e. If I choose to collect all of the Licensed SNES games, then that list wouldn't include Super 3D Noah's Ark, and so on and so forth. At this time I'm simply trying to choose a 'set' to collect, and my pocketbook would like to not have to pay for the 3 MACs cartridges, the 2 competition cartridges, and/or the MBR/SR cartridge (basically I don't want to pay more than $100 for any one single cartridge if I can help it) while the completionist side of me says that if I choose to collect a 'set', then I'd better be willing to pay for it. :)

So, portnoyd, thank you again for your interest enough to post a partial answer in the first part of your reply, but no thank you to the second part. I eagerly await your (or anyone's) informative response to my earlier questions.

Thank you.

[TonyTheTiger]

There's a difference between somebody who wants a full set vs. somebody who wants everything that can technically function on a particular console. You've got guys who collect service carts, guys who collect variants, guys who collect weird Chinese bootlegs, and guys who collect protos (something that has no endgame at all). You probably won't be able to find somebody who can offer an airtight explanation why random homebrew/unlicensed/whatever from 1994 is considered more worthy of inclusion on Person X's list vs. the exact same thing set for release in 2013. The only real answer is that at some point the history book closes and the pages are laminated.

And from a more practical standpoint, people care more about old stuff because it's from a particular era and perhaps has some story behind it and therefore are willing to pay for it. Plus, few people have much interest participating in a perpetual game of moving the goalposts. Does it always make sense? Well, maybe not. But this stuff isn't exactly hard science.

Even if the ludicrous proposition that Nintendo sticks the Nintendo Seal of Quality on Nightmare Busters were to come to fruition, there'd still probably be ample reason and arguments abound to consider it too late.

[Bardoly]

There's a difference between somebody who wants a full set vs. somebody who wants everything that can technically function on a particular console. You've got guys who collect service carts, guys who collect variants, guys who collect weird Chinese bootlegs, and guys who collect protos (something that has no endgame at all). You probably won't be able to find somebody who can offer an airtight explanation why random homebrew/unlicensed/whatever from 1994 is considered more worthy of inclusion on Person X's list vs. the exact same thing set for release in 2013. The only real answer is that at some point the history book closes and the pages are laminated.

And from a more practical standpoint, people care more about old stuff because it's from a particular era and perhaps has some story behind it and therefore are willing to pay for it. Plus, few people have much interest participating in a perpetual game of moving the goalposts. Does it always make sense? Well, maybe not. But this stuff isn't exactly hard science.

Even if the ludicrous proposition that Nintendo sticks the Nintendo Seal of Quality on Nightmare Busters were to come to fruition, there'd still probably be ample reason and arguments abound to consider it too late.



I definitely see your point, and I would like to get some more input about this issue.

[tom]

As stated in the book Game Over Nintendo always said any company can make Nintendo games.
So one should collect every released SNES game, licenced or not, foreign or not, be iit from a shop or mail order.

[tom]

Oh and within the official console lifetime set by the company eg for the VCS it's from 1977 to 1992

[o.pwuaioc]

As stated in the book Game Over Nintendo always said any company can make Nintendo games.
So one should collect every released SNES game, licenced or not, foreign or not, be iit from a shop or mail order.

I think you're missing a pretty crucial logical step in there somewhere. Actually, a couple.

[Bardoly]

Anymore thoughts?

I just started a new thread here:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?162148-Why-isn-t-International-Superstar-Soccer-Deluxe-in-the-US-releases-section

which asks the question, "Why isn't International Superstar Soccer Deluxe in the US releases section?" because I'm still wanting to clarify for myself which 'complete set' that I want to be working on collecting.

Thank you.

[gbpxl]

Really interesting reading this thread. I didnt see anyone point it out but the Tony Meola game is identical to Super Copa. The Tony Meola is the main one that was sold in the U.S. and Super Copa was geared toward the Spanish speaking market. as far as I am aware its the same damn game, released at the same damn time, just different title and different language.

I didnt know that the "International Soccer" games were contentious when I was going through my list. I'll have to look into that. To me, if it was sold or rented at a store in the United States and it was licensed, it counts.

[Bardoly]

Really interesting reading this thread. I didnt see anyone point it out but the Tony Meola game is identical to Super Copa. The Tony Meola is the main one that was sold in the U.S. and Super Copa was geared toward the Spanish speaking market. as far as I am aware its the same damn game, released at the same damn time, just different title and different language.

I didnt know that the "International Soccer" games were contentious when I was going through my list. I'll have to look into that. To me, if it was sold or rented at a store in the United States and it was licensed, it counts.

Lol. Necro-post... "Thread arise!"
Yes, it was an interesting discussion. I did end up acquiring a complete U.S.-retail-released cart-only complete set of SNES games. About 6 years after completing the set. I had to liquidate most of them due to bills. I now have about 75 of my favorites left, though, so when I get the time (Lol. Never.), I can still pull out some really great games and play them.
Are you working towards a "complete set" of some sort?

[gbpxl]

Lol. Necro-post... "Thread arise!"
Yes, it was an interesting discussion. I did end up acquiring a complete U.S.-retail-released cart-only complete set of SNES games. About 6 years after completing the set. I had to liquidate most of them due to bills. I now have about 75 of my favorites left, though, so when I get the time (Lol. Never.), I can still pull out some really great games and play them.
Are you working towards a "complete set" of some sort?
In ROM form, yeah. I can't justify spending that kind of money, especially for some of those games. Im not gonna spend my hard earned money on the Adventures of Kid Kleets