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Edmond Dantes
02-20-2011, 08:07 PM
So lately, I've been looking into emulation and virtualization as an option in case the PC I play old games on finally decides to croak.

A lot of virtualizers don't really have good support for 98, so I'm thinking of installing XP and using its compatibility mode to play all my Win98 games. Think this will work?

Jorpho
02-20-2011, 11:46 PM
64-bit Windows 7 absolutely cannot run 16-bit Windows programs (including a lot of installation programs and such), so in that sense 32-bit Windows XP is superior, but 32-bit Windows 7 wouldn't have that disadvantage either - I think.

Perhaps a better question is, what Windows 98 games are you specifically interested in playing? I have the impression that a considerable number of compatibility problems these days are caused by more recent versions of video drivers (required by more recent video hardware, of course) that lack certain legacy features. In that sense, installing XP with recent video drivers won't help much either.

Darkman2K5
02-21-2011, 12:05 AM
I have't played around with it in a long time, but from what I understand, dosbox is an excellent way to play old-school dos games on modern Windows systems. As far as the virtualization route, have you virtual-box? Its a third party virtual pc program that has some pretty cool features going for it. It supports 3d acceleration up to directx8.

Edmond Dantes
02-21-2011, 12:41 AM
Jorpho: Excuse me, I meant to say I'm thinking of installing a virtualized Windows XP. Virtualization is basically emulation, except for computers.

Darkman: Actually Virtualbox is the reason I'm curious about XP. Virtualbox has graphical acceleration, but only for WinXP on up (virtualization support for Windows 98 absolutely sucks right now--you can't even install Additions or transfer files between 98 and the host in most virtualizers).

So currently, my attack plan is:

1) See what games will work in Windows 7 with no hassle.
2) Those that don't, see if they work in virtualized Windows 98 (running through Virtual PC 2007)
3) If I find any that have/do graphical acceleration, run them through XP using Virtualbox.

Or I could just sell them and save myself the headache.


Perhaps a better question is, what Windows 98 games are you specifically interested in playing?

I have no idea what ones I'm gonna want to play in the future, but here's all the ones I actually own at the moment:

Allied General
Amber: Journeys Beyond
Command & Conquer 95
Command & Conquer: Red Alert
Dune 2000
Half-Life
Jagged Alliance 2
Journeyman Project Turbo
Might and Magic VI
Might and Magic VII
Myst
Outpost
Outpost II
Riven
Shivers 2
Sonic & Knuckles Collection
Starcraft
System Shock 2
Titanic: Adventure Out of Time
Warcraft II (both original and Battle.net Editions)
Wizardry Gold
You Don't Know Jack (volumes 1, 2, the Question Pack, and Movies)

And here's some I might wind up buying soon:

Ultima IX: Ascension

Darkman2K5
02-21-2011, 01:01 PM
Running XP in virtual box sounds like a good game plan. My only question is why is half life on that list? It works just fine on steam under windows 7. That is of course assuming you have steam.

Jorpho
02-21-2011, 05:08 PM
So currently, my attack plan is:

1) See what games will work in Windows 7 with no hassle.
2) Those that don't, see if they work in virtualized Windows 98 (running through Virtual PC 2007)
3) If I find any that have/do graphical acceleration, run them through XP using Virtualbox.

Or I could just sell them and save myself the headache.Sounds like a plan.

Offhand, System Shock 2 is the only one of those I think has graphical acceleration, and if it doesn't already run under 7 with existing fixes, someone's probably working on it. Most of Sierra's games have installers for XP, but I have no idea if they work in 7.

The experience offered by Sonic & Knuckles Collection is likely inferior to what you could get from any current Sega Genesis emulator plus an actual ROM.

Kitsune Sniper
02-21-2011, 05:42 PM
Allied General
Amber: Journeys Beyond
Command & Conquer 95
Command & Conquer: Red Alert
Dune 2000
Half-Life
Jagged Alliance 2
Journeyman Project Turbo
Might and Magic VI
Might and Magic VII
Myst
Outpost
Outpost II
Riven
Shivers 2
Sonic & Knuckles Collection
Starcraft
System Shock 2
Titanic: Adventure Out of Time
Warcraft II (both original and Battle.net Editions)
Wizardry Gold
You Don't Know Jack (volumes 1, 2, the Question Pack, and Movies)

And here's some I might wind up buying soon:

Ultima IX: Ascension

Starcraft and Warcraft II Battle.net will work with patches from Blizzard. Half-Life 1 will work - hell, you can even download the latest version if you sign up for a Steam account and register your CD key there (and depending on the version, you can get free copies of Blue Shift and Opposing Force, or even Counter-Strike.)

Many of those other games will run on DOSbox since they include native DOS binaries. Warcraft II, for instance. For others, you're better off downloading a pre-configured DOSBox running Windows 3.1 than just using a virtualized Windows XP. It's not legal by any means, but it's what I do for those late Windows 3.1 games.

Some of those games you have are also available at GOG.com for cheap and most will work on Windows 7.