GCN Games on the Wii?

[teh_L0ki]

I have a question about gamecube games on the wii. Do they run exactly the same as they would on the gamecube or are there any enhancements or the like made? I ask because I'm a purist and while I'm not planning to get rid of my cube anyway, I want to know if I can at least store it away and have one less console out.

Thanks in advance.

[Rob2600]

I have a question about gamecube games on the wii. Do they run exactly the same as they would on the gamecube or are there any enhancements or the like made? I ask because I'm a purist

GameCube games run exactly the same on the Wii- no enhancements.

[heybtbm]

GC games work perfectly on the Wii. Mostly because the Wii is essentially a slightly fancier GC (ahem). Anyway, the only "enhancement" I can think of is if you have Wii component cables...you can play GC games at 480p. Most people don't have component cables for their GC and have never experienced progressive scan mode. Your eyes will probably see the difference right away.

[teh_L0ki]

GameCube games run exactly the same on the Wii- no enhancements.

Thanks.


GC games work perfectly on the Wii. Mostly because the Wii is essentially a slightly fancier GC (ahem). Anyway, the only "enhancement" I can think of is if you have Wii component cables...you can play GC games at 480p. Most people don't have component cables for their GC and have never experienced progressive scan mode. Your eyes will probably see the difference right away.

I have a SD trinitron and a EDTV trinitron but I was planning to run the wii component on the SD because I HATE input lag. I want a tv with 0 lag and the only way to do that afaik is to sacrifice a bit of image quality in exchange for the knowledge that my non 480p compatible games will run without lag.

[skaar]

Uh... you're not necessarily going to get lag on component, y'know.

[Rob2600]

I have a SD trinitron and a EDTV trinitron but I was planning to run the wii component on the SD because I HATE input lag.


Uh... you're not necessarily going to get lag on component, y'know.

Yes, you shouldn't get lag on a CRT.

[teh_L0ki]

Uh... you're not necessarily going to get lag on component, y'know.

I know I wouldn't at 480p, I'm talking about running 480i on a native 1080i / 480p TV, which would introduce input lag.


Yes, you shouldn't get lag on a CRT.

I'm going off the fact that A: I already know for a fact I was getting massive lag in ps1 games.

and B:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125

Q: My friend says that CRT HDTV's don't lag.
A: All varieties of HDTV are susceptable to video game lag. CRT, LCD, Plasma, any HDTV. I have seen many posts lately saying that XXX technology doesn't lag which simply isn't true. All technologies are susceptable to the problem, because all HDTVs use video scaling.

Either way on my EDTV it's having to deinterlace or scale which = lag. I'll admit I haven't found it super noticeable but I'm concerned in timing sensitive games which don't support 480p. While the Wii may support it on most games it has far less support on the GCN and I'm planning to use my wii to play GCN games far more than I am planning to play wii games.

[teh_L0ki]

edit: somehow there was a forum error and it double posted, please delete this.

[Darkman2K5]

I play my Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii on a 1080p HDTV DLP, and I've never had any discernible input lag whatsoever. Most modern HDTVs have built tech to combat input lag. Try hooking the Wii up to your EDTV just to see if there is any lag, its worth a try for the extra image quality I'd say.

[teh_L0ki]

I play my Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii on a 1080p HDTV DLP, and I've never had any discernible input lag whatsoever. Most modern HDTVs have built tech to combat input lag. Try hooking the Wii up to your EDTV just to see if there is any lag, its worth a try for the extra image quality I'd say.

I used to do a bit of pro gaming so I'm very sensitive to even the slightest input lag. Input lag is more important to me than Image Quality.

[Rob2600]

I know I wouldn't at 480p, I'm talking about running 480i on a native 1080i / 480p TV, which would introduce input lag.

Q: My friend says that CRT HDTV's don't lag.
A: All varieties of HDTV are susceptable to video game lag. CRT, LCD, Plasma, any HDTV.

If you connect your Wii to your TV using component cables, it should run in 480p. And since your TV is also 480p, there shouldn't be any upscaling or de-interlacing, and therefore no lag...right?

[teh_L0ki]

If you connect your Wii to your TV using component cables, it should run in 480p. And since your TV is also 480p, there shouldn't be any upscaling or de-interlacing, and therefore no lag...right?

The wii will only run in 480p in games that support 480p. In games that don't it will still run interlaced and therefore introduce lag. You can run in 480i mode with component cables.

[heybtbm]

I used to do a bit of pro gaming so I'm very sensitive to even the slightest input lag.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3492/2009thehangover008.jpg

...OK then.

[teh_L0ki]

...OK then.

:roll:

Just for fun try playing ddr with input lag and see how much fun you have.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Or Guitar Hero. Agh.

[teh_L0ki]

Or Guitar Hero. Agh.

You can calibrate guitar hero though... ddr doesn't let you.

[Darkman2K5]

Again, you could always try hooking it up just to see how it performs. No harm in trying right?

[teh_L0ki]

Again, you could always try hooking it up just to see how it performs. No harm in trying right?

I'm not opposed to the idea, but would I really get les input lag with component vs composite? Because if not I already know it's too much.

[CrazyGamesDude]

I'm not opposed to the idea, but would I really get les input lag with component vs composite? Because if not I already know it's too much.

I think the general consensus is maybe, maybe not. It's easy enough to give it a try.

[8-bitNesMan]

I used to do a bit of pro gaming so I'm very sensitive to even the slightest input lag. Input lag is more important to me than Image Quality.

I'm curious; what games are you going to be playing on Gamecube that this would even be an issue on? I'm not trolling or anything but when I think pro gaming the Cube is not exactly the first console that comes to mind...

[kedawa]

You don't have to be a 'pro' to be affected by lag. Even stuff like Mario Golf or Super Monkey Ball are unplayable with any significant amount of lag, say more than 3 frames.

[teh_L0ki]

You don't have to be a 'pro' to be affected by lag. Even stuff like Mario Golf or Super Monkey Ball are unplayable with any significant amount of lag, say more than 3 frames.

This guy right here nailed what game I'm concerned about ... Super Monkey Ball. Oh and DDR on my Xbox but that's another console but same situation.

[skaar]

I think you should game in RGB. It's how games are meant to be played.

[Leo_A]

If you connect your Wii to your TV using component cables, it should run in 480p. And since your TV is also 480p, there shouldn't be any upscaling or de-interlacing, and therefore no lag...right?

His tv isn't 480p, although he initially referred to it as a "EDTV Trinitron". It's a HDTV, as he later stated when he said "I'm talking about running 480i on a native 1080i / 480p TV". A EDTV would be a television where it's maximum capability was 480p material.

I thought CRT's didn't have to scale to a native resolution? Isn't the tv in question a CRT? You shouldn't have input lag of any sort since it doesn't have to scale the signal to the set's native resolution, since it doesn't have one.

In general, playing on typical HDTV's of today (LCD/Plasma/DLP) could cause noticeable input lag, and more likely, would probably look less than desirable unless the HDTV had a good scaler. Those technologys have a native resolution and can't display anything else, which necessitates running the signal through a scaling chip in order to display it. Generally, he'd likely find performance and picture quality to be superior running via component to his standard definition set rather than dealing with what are often poor quality scaling chips in HDTV's that cause annoying input lag and hurt the picture quality.

But since it's a HD Trinitron, I'd give it a shot and see for yourself which tv it looks best on. You shouldn't have to deal with the signal being upscaled and introducing input lag or hurting the picture quality since it's not a fixed pixel display. It should display whatever supported resolution you send to it at it's native resolution untouched, unless my understanding of the nature of CRT's don't apply to HD versions.

[Rob2600]

If you connect your Wii to your TV using component cables, it should run in 480p. And since your TV is also 480p, there shouldn't be any upscaling or de-interlacing, and therefore no lag...right?

His tv isn't 480p... It's a HDTV, as he later stated when he said "I'm talking about running 480i on a native 1080i / 480p TV".

If it's a native 480p TV, doesn't that mean his TV is in fact 480p? Am I missing something?

Did teh_L0ki really mean a "native 1080i/720p" TV?

[Leo_A]

If it can display a 1080i signal, it's a HDTV. Just because a HDTV can display 480p material doesn't make it an EDTV. An EDTV is generally considered as a tv that can display at it's maxiumum resolution, 480p material.

I assume he put in /480p because that's the resolution for that set which most GCN/Wii games would be played at via component if he hooked it up to it.

EDTV's were rare at best, and I never heard of one that could downscale and deinterlace a 1080i signal to 480p.

[Rob2600]

I'm confused. Loki said his TV can display 480p video natively. The Wii outputs 480p video natively. So his TV doesn't have to upscale or de-interlace the Wii's video signal, therefore there shouldn't be any lag.

Am I getting my facts mixed up?

[Leo_A]

All I know is he referred to it as a EDTV in one post, and then refeeanced what I assume was the same television as having 1080i capabilities in another. If it can display a HD resolution, it's a high definition television even though it's still capable of displaying 480p enhanced definition.

But it's only a EDTV if 480p is the best resolution it can display. Since it can display 1080i, it's not an EDTV and it's native resolution isn't 480p, it's a HDTV with a native resolution of 1080i and would have to upscale and interlace the 480p image.

And if it's a CRT, it doesn't even have a native resolution.


I have a SD trinitron and a EDTV trinitron but I was planning to run the wii component on the SD because I HATE input lag.


I'm talking about running 480i on a native 1080i / 480p TV.

[Family Computer]

I'm confused. Loki said his TV can display 480p video natively. The Wii outputs 480p video natively. So his TV doesn't have to upscale or de-interlace the Wii's video signal, therefore there shouldn't be any lag.

Am I getting my facts mixed up?

He isn't worried about the games that could output 480p. He is worried about games that only put out 480i.

[Rob2600]

He isn't worried about the games that could output 480p. He is worried about games that only put out 480i.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up! :)

[kedawa]

Most EDTV/HDTV CRTs can do multiscan just fine, but there are some odd models that scale or de-interlace certain types of signals.

[Leo_A]

Most EDTV/HDTV CRTs can do multiscan just fine, but there are some odd models that scale or de-interlace certain types of signals.

What would the need be for that with CRT technology? Does it somehow make the set cheaper? Or was it to fool consumers into thinking their tv would turn everything into HD even though it typically would do more harm than good compared to just letting the tv display what it's being fed untouched?

I'd like to get a nice Sony HD Trinitron someday. Would there be a chance that it may scale the signal or deinterlace it?