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NoahsMyBro
04-21-2011, 09:26 PM
SO I've had a pretty busy week, and tonight started up my PS3 for the first time in a while. I was unable to sign in to PSN.

I then looked at the PSN blog and learned that the network's been down since yesterday, and the Sony rep states the network may be down for another 1 or two days. There are numerous juvenile complaints on the PSN forums, with a very few mature messages buried in the threads.

I was surprised to not find any mention at all of the outage here at DP.

Did anyone besides me notice?

Graham Mitchell
04-21-2011, 09:37 PM
I read about it on kotaku. Apparently psn suspects they were actually "attacked" by an activist group, but the group themselves denied it. The article was really vague, with no links to back anything up. Id post a link to it but I'm on my cell.

At least the ps3 works offline, unlike last march when every ps3 had that internal clock issue.

Emperor Megas
04-21-2011, 10:04 PM
I was surprised to not find any mention at all of the outage here at DP.Pshh, it's just PSN. It's not like Live! was down or anything. ;)

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-21-2011, 10:09 PM
Yeah, the lack of PSN sucks, but I just got my PS3 back from Sony last week, so I'm still basking in the glow of having a working system, offline or otherwise.

NoahsMyBro
04-21-2011, 10:26 PM
Well, I haven't resumed playing GoW (on the PS2) since beginning it a while back (probably over a year ago). And I stalled on Bioshock before travelling to NOLA in late-December.

I'll use this time to return to those, and take a break from Gravity Crash and the user-generated levels.

While I certainly took a long time to enter the current-gen gaming scene, I still can't get over just how much I like my PS3. It's just cooler than words can describe, even with the PSN outage....

LimeiBook86
04-21-2011, 10:34 PM
Of course it's down just in time to prevent me from unlocking a PC/Mac version of Portal 2 by linking my PSN & Steam account. Damn! :(

Cornelius
04-21-2011, 10:48 PM
Of course it's down just in time to prevent me from unlocking a PC/Mac version of Portal 2 by linking my PSN & Steam account. Damn! :(

Same here. At least I'm going out of town for the weekend anyway, so I won't really miss out much.

megasdkirby
04-22-2011, 12:53 AM
My brother told me, but I wouldn't have known otherwise.

Tron 2.0
04-22-2011, 01:50 AM
Didn't know untile now i been helping a friend level up on MH3 for the wii.Still i'm not missing much then it seems the psn all ways has that break down,once in a while.

The 1 2 P
04-22-2011, 01:53 AM
My brother told me, but I wouldn't have known otherwise.

Same here. Last time I used my PS3 was to play the Mortal Kombat demo about two weeks ago. Supposedly there was a Home update the other day. I wonder if that had something to do with the outage or if it was the group Announomous again.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Same here. Last time I used my PS3 was to play the Mortal Kombat demo about two weeks ago. Supposedly there was a Home update the other day. I wonder if that had something to do with the outage or if it was the group Announomous again.

I've seen a lot of speculation about these outages being related to attacks by hackers. If that's the case, my faith in humanity has just ratcheted down a few more clicks.

As far as HOME goes, based on past HOME outages that haven't affected the entire PSN, I believe that HOME and the rest of the PSN are not married to the point that it could take down the whole network.

maxlords
04-22-2011, 10:16 AM
Noticed this last night when I went to play Demon's Souls. No big deal to me. It's nice to have it but I don't need it.

Yoder
04-22-2011, 10:23 AM
It's all about Sega-16 ;-)

kedawa
04-22-2011, 03:50 PM
For some, it's a welcome reprieve from the constant updates that PSN pushes out.

Graham Mitchell
04-22-2011, 04:13 PM
For some, it's a welcome reprieve from the constant updates that PSN pushes out.

Amen.

otaku
04-24-2011, 07:57 AM
I kept wanting to buy hoard and moon diver and couldn't! Dammit

megasdkirby
04-24-2011, 08:23 AM
I hope this makes Sony and Capcom realize not to use that fucking DRM shit for their DLC games.

I hope they "apologize" by eliminating this DRM bullshit from their games. Not like they ever will anyway.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 08:30 AM
I hope this makes Sony and Capcom realize not to use that fucking DRM shit for their DLC games.

I hope they "apologize" by eliminating this DRM bullshit from their games. Not like they ever will anyway.

It does seem silly, especially since it's not universally implemented on all PSN software.

Hopefully they patch it out at some point.

heybtbm
04-24-2011, 09:54 AM
18 posts and no Penny Arcade?

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1611/12615964813fw2mnjl.jpg

Maybe we'll get a free download of Undertow...

(crickets chirping)

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 10:04 AM
Maybe we'll get a free download of Undertow...
(crickets chirping)

Funny how people forget the similar XBLA outages in 2008.

I was talking to Joe about it yesterday and he couldn't recall it at all.

c0ldb33r
04-24-2011, 10:14 AM
Another Portal 2 victim here. I don't really mind about the lack of psn but I do like to check out the Playstation store.

PapaStu
04-24-2011, 10:55 AM
Funny how people forget the similar XBLA outages in 2008.

I was talking to Joe about it yesterday and he couldn't recall it at all.

XBL's outages were because of the huge number of new users logging in post Xmas. It was up and down for a week or two and then it was fine. It was also a common occurrence every xmas for a number of years. All the new users hitting XBL and for a day or two, it'd be so slooooow. I think this last year was the first one that I didn't notice anything like that. We all got Undertow for it too as heybtmb kindly mentioned under the jawsum comic ;) .

Sony still hasn't even said why PSN is down though.

megasdkirby
04-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Sony still hasn't even said why PSN is down though.

At least Sony finally acknowledges it was an "External Intrusion" (http://kotaku.com/#!5794440/sony-playstation-outage-could-last-days) (fancy words for "hackers" LOL).

NayusDante
04-24-2011, 11:06 AM
I got Portal 2 linked before it went down, but haven't had the time to play anyway. I'm not happy about my preferred Netflix device being out of service, but again, I've been too busy with school to let it affect me.

Sony is definitely blaming an "external intrusion" now, but they're also saying they've been meaning to upgrade their security anyway. It'll be down until those "necessary measures" are in place. If it didn't happen now, it'd probably be a planned outage of a day or so eventually.

I'm perfectly fine with this, just so long as we're not looking at a credit card database breach or something of the like.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 11:32 AM
Sony still hasn't even said why PSN is down though.

As mentioned above, they have, and they actually began eluding to an "external intrusion" on the official PSN blog around Thursday evening of last week.

There's also this. Can't vouch for the legitimacy, but time will surely tell:

http://www.psu.com/PSN-hackers-attacked-Admin-Dev-accounts,-services-returning-in-a-day-or-two,-SCEE-source-claims--a011425-p0.php


I got Portal 2 linked before it went down, but haven't had the time to play anyway. I'm not happy about my preferred Netflix device being out of service, but again, I've been too busy with school to let it affect me.

Sony is definitely blaming an "external intrusion" now, but they're also saying they've been meaning to upgrade their security anyway. It'll be down until those "necessary measures" are in place. If it didn't happen now, it'd probably be a planned outage of a day or so eventually.

I'm perfectly fine with this, just so long as we're not looking at a credit card database breach or something of the like.

*EDIT EDIT DOUBLE RE-EDIT* ... NETFLIX will prompt you for PSN login several times, but if you keep attempting and failing and finally get the PSN is offline for maintenance message Netflix will run properly without a PSN login.

NayusDante
04-24-2011, 11:39 AM
I'm patching Gran Turismo. I'm guessing the update service isn't affected.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 11:46 AM
I'm patching Gran Turismo. I'm guessing the update service isn't affected.

Yeah, either they've gotten that far in the security lockdown, or game updates were never taken offline.

Also, not sure if you got my re-edited response on the previous page. Netflix works, just keep attempting to log in until you get the "PSN is offline for maintenance" message and you'll be granted access to use Netflix without a PSN login.

exit
04-24-2011, 06:23 PM
It sucks that the network is down, but I'm just happy that I can get on Netflix and I was happy to discover that they don't force you to be logged in to use it. I think it's complete BS that these self proclaimed "freedom fighters" claim to be doing this for our rights or what have you, yet they're causing more harm than good to the very people they say they're fighting for.

NayusDante
04-24-2011, 06:42 PM
Once Anon starts something, there's enough people who pick up the fight just for the thrill of it. They fight because it's fun for them, not because they care deeply about the issue. From what I can tell, the "organizers" know this and use it to their advantage, picking targets that they know would be an easy sell to their ranks. They go after big companies in the public eye that have blatantly hurt the public or attracted negative press because they're easy targets. The result is an anarchy machine that goes after anyone who gets too big.

Basically, you can't get on PSN right now because of a bunch of kids who think it's funny. Are they right? Are they wrong? I don't think they care.

The 1 2 P
04-24-2011, 07:29 PM
18 posts and no Penny Arcade?

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1611/12615964813fw2mnjl.jpg

Yeah we needed some Penny Arcade to liven up this thread. Especially since I thought PSN would be back up and running by now.

As for the Undertow comment, the majority of PSN members(such as myself) aren't paying for anything and thus can't really expect some kind of freebie. However, there are the other roughly 2 million PSN Plus members who foolishly...er, voluntarily pay for extras. Those members have a legit reason to be up and arms and when this is all over hopefully Sony takes care of them, if not with a free game then atleast with an added month to their subscription.

NayusDante
04-24-2011, 07:50 PM
I've never paid for Xbox Live and I got Undertow for free. Don't think I ever played it...

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 08:24 PM
As for the Undertow comment, the majority of PSN members(such as myself) aren't paying for anything and thus can't really expect some kind of freebie. However, there are the other roughly 2 million PSN Plus members who foolishly...er, voluntarily pay for extras.

I'll be more than happy to take a free month (to go along with the 3 free months I got with my initial 1 year subscription) but considering the amount of free stuff I get on my Plus account every week, I won't shed a tear if I don't get anything but an apology from Sony.

The 1 2 P
04-24-2011, 09:06 PM
It's been my understanding that alot of that "free stuff" will dissappear the moment you cancel your PSN+ subscription. True?

c0ldb33r
04-24-2011, 09:08 PM
You're right. You only have access to the plus stuff while you're a plus member.

c0ldb33r
04-24-2011, 09:10 PM
[double post] - please delete

kupomogli
04-24-2011, 10:20 PM
It's been my understanding that alot of that "free stuff" will dissappear the moment you cancel your PSN+ subscription. True?

Except for avatars, XMB backgrounds, and anything you purchase at a discount. While I don't have PSN Plus, I know someone who does. Basically for $50, it's 15 months of what you could say is a rental service. I know he gets atleast three free downloads per week, sometimes more. It's one PSX game a week, atleast one PSN game, and one mini.

So for $50 a year it's a pretty good deal, $10 with a game sharing account between five people. For me, it's free. What do you get for your XBL? Cross game chat and the ability to do stuff that non paying PSN members already have, which is go online or use Netflix?

TheGam3r
04-24-2011, 11:01 PM
fuck i wanted to play BioShock 2 online.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-24-2011, 11:04 PM
It's been my understanding that alot of that "free stuff" will dissappear the moment you cancel your PSN+ subscription. True?

Yup (it doesn't magically disappear off your HDD, it just won't boot until you resubscribe), but based on my satisfaction with the service, I have no plans to cancel.

Also, while I have absolutely no problem paying $50 a year for XBLA (yeah yeah, frugal bargain hunting gamers get 12 month XBLA cards through Amazon or similar thingy-dos for $2.99 or whatever insane discounts they always manage to scoff about) and the services that entails and I will continue to do so as long as that's offered, I personally feel a much greater level of satisfaction from getting a regiment of free and discounted game/media content for that yearly cost. I can count on one hand the amount of free full software that Microsoft has given me, and most of it I've not enjoyed at all.

With Plus I've gotten to add games to my collection that I would have never even considered trying let alone buying that, unlike the free content on XBLA I've wound up really REALLY enjoying.

Pulling the plug on either service comes with a unique and somewhat dire consequence. With XBLA it's no online play whatsoever and no cross game chat and with Plus it's no access to play the catalog of full games downloaded from the Plus service.

Sure, Plus isn't for everybody, but come on, there's no reason to write members off as "foolish". It's just a choice like anything else we do.

JSoup
04-25-2011, 01:06 AM
So, and I realize this is probably a silly question, but any trophies earned from free games downloaded stay with you even after the end of a plus subscription, yes?

maxlords
04-25-2011, 01:15 AM
I've never paid for Xbox Live and I got Undertow for free. Don't think I ever played it...

This. I played it once.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-25-2011, 07:48 AM
So, and I realize this is probably a silly question, but any trophies earned from free games downloaded stay with you even after the end of a plus subscription, yes?

Yes, they stay.

megasdkirby
04-25-2011, 07:58 AM
(yeah yeah, frugal bargain hunting gamers get 12 month XBLA cards through Amazon or similar thingy-dos for $2.99 or whatever insane discounts they always manage to scoff about)


Those aren't bargain hunters! Many of us can still find them for $40 or so! They should learn from us! LOL

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-25-2011, 08:03 AM
Those aren't bargain hunters! Many of us can still find them for $40 or so! They should learn from us! LOL

$40 is negligible, I'll just let Microsoft re-charge my credit card for that price.

Every time I mention the yearly cost of XBLA, which I forgot just went up to $60 this year I'm always met with some kind of snarky answers from people who get 12 month cards nearly free of charge. I know not the amount of work that goes into those kind of deal findings, but I've never seen them in the plain light of day at any retail location, online or off.

megasdkirby
04-25-2011, 08:28 AM
$40 is negligible, I'll just let Microsoft re-charge my credit card for that price.


Negligible? But it's a $20 reduction or 1/3 off the price! That's pretty darn good if you ask me.

Wait a minute...Microsoft charges you only $40? How?


Every time I mention the yearly cost of XBLA, which I forgot just went up to $60 this year I'm always met with some kind of snarky answers from people who get 12 month cards nearly free of charge. I know not the amount of work that goes into those kind of deal findings, but I've never seen them in the plain light of day at any retail location, online or off.

Isn't Microsoft cracking down on those "free" cards? I read something like that a few weeks ago, mainly about those point/membership generators.

Phantar
04-25-2011, 08:34 AM
I was pondering whether to get Portal 2 for PC or PS3. PSN being down kinda swayed my line of thought in favor of the PC, even though I generally dislike Steam.

But in all earnestness, I hadn't even noticed that PSN was down before I read this thread. The Wireless access in my PS3 is too weak to properly receive my WiFi signal most of the time unless I place it somewhere else in the room to get a better reception - and I hadn't felt like doing so in the past few days.

Darkman2K5
04-25-2011, 09:34 AM
I was pondering whether to get Portal 2 for PC or PS3. PSN being down kinda swayed my line of thought in favor of the PC, even though I generally dislike Steam.

But in all earnestness, I hadn't even noticed that PSN was down before I read this thread. The Wireless access in my PS3 is too weak to properly receive my WiFi signal most of the time unless I place it somewhere else in the room to get a better reception - and I hadn't felt like doing so in the past few days.

You might as well get it on PS3, it comes with a code to unlock it for free on pc.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-25-2011, 11:16 AM
Negligible? But it's a $20 reduction or 1/3 off the price! That's pretty darn good if you ask me.

Wait a minute...Microsoft charges you only $40? How?

Sorry, my response was unclear, I meant for the $20 difference + the effort that it takes to seek out discounted cards, I'll just let my membership renew at the current going rate. I suppose I'm lazy, but these days I'm not a huge fan of "bargain hunting" at brick/mortar or online, it almost always proves to be a frustrating experience, especially driving around to various brick/mortar locations.

And, yes, you're right $20 is a decent discount for those willing to take whatever steps are necessary to get those discounts.

How specifically do you do it? Is it as simple as going to a store and finding a 12 month card marked at $40 or marked down during some type of sale?

exit
04-25-2011, 11:36 AM
How specifically do you do it? Is it as simple as going to a store and finding a 12 month card marked at $40 or marked down during some type of sale?

You can still find the old cards out there, my store still has some of the CoD $20 3 month cards that people avoided buying because they thought it was only for CoD. Also, just doing a simple search on Amazon brought me to discounted 12 month cards from $43-39.75, so there's not much trouble to it. Being as almost nobody I know is on Live and I almost never use my 360, getting a Gold membership would just be a waste of money to me.

As for PSN+, it would have struck my interest more a few years ago, but there just hasn't been much on the PSN that I've actually wanted that warrants a subscription.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-25-2011, 11:42 AM
You can still find the old cards out there, my store still has some of the CoD $20 3 month cards that people avoided buying because they thought it was only for CoD. Also, just doing a simple search on Amazon brought me to discounted 12 month cards from $43-39.75, so there's not much trouble to it. Being as almost nobody I know is on Live and I almost never use my 360, getting a Gold membership would just be a waste of money to me.

As for PSN+, it would have struck my interest more a few years ago, but there just hasn't been much on the PSN that I've actually wanted that warrants a subscription.

Cool cool, good to know.

My lack of use of Amazon for game related shopping may be a reason why I never see these types of deals.

megasdkirby
04-25-2011, 11:49 AM
How specifically do you do it? Is it as simple as going to a store and finding a 12 month card marked at $40 or marked down during some type of sale?

I see your point.

I'm just a cheap ass at heart. LOL

Ok, this is terrifying:

http://kotaku.com/#!5795349/sony-doesnt-know-yet-if-your-credit-card-number-was-stolen

maxlords
04-25-2011, 11:57 AM
Ok, this is terrifying:

http://kotaku.com/#!5795349/sony-doesnt-know-yet-if-your-credit-card-number-was-stolen

Why? Unauthorized purchases are insured on credit cards. Even if they DID get your number, not only would any illicit purchases made be covered, but they'd just issue you a new card with a new number if it was compromised anyway. Nothing to worry about at all. I don't know why people get SOOO worried their "card number will get stolen".

megasdkirby
04-25-2011, 12:09 PM
I don't know why people get SOOO worried their "card number will get stolen".

Because it depends on the credit card company. Although all may offer the service, others are more lenient than others, which can cause issues in the future.

And a potentially savvy hacker can easily take the card and your personal information and track you, stealing your identity. Seen it happen here quite a few times.

Fortunately, all my "cards" listed on PSN are old and useless. Still...

heybtbm
04-25-2011, 12:32 PM
Fortunately, all my "cards" listed on PSN are old and useless. Still...

Lol...Go to The Consumerist and search for "zombie accounts". Closed or deactivated credit card accounts get re-opened all the time. Especially in situations where they were used for "monthly billing"-type charges.

Consumerist usually has one or two stories a month about people who cancel a credit card only to find out it's been reactivated by an automated program at some company. Usually the people find out months or years later when they get a call from a collections agency. By that point you're screwed since the agency bought the "debt" and couldn't care less if the charges were valid or not.

Lesson learned...always use pre-paid cards with XBL or PSN.

megasdkirby
04-25-2011, 12:37 PM
Lol...Go to The Consumerist and search for "zombie accounts". Closed or deactivated credit card accounts get re-opened all the time. Especially in situations where they were used for "monthly billing"-type charges.



My bad. I meant that the cards I have are old or used, temporary cards. The service is offered by some companies, which let you create a "virtual card" with a specific amount, time frame, and location of use. For PSN, I just create a $10 card or less, valid only two months, and ONLY for PSN.

So even if they obtain the number, they won't able to use it becuase either the card no longer has any cash or it's for PSN and can't be used anywhere else (it will be denied automatically).

Kinda like a prepaid card of sorts.

heybtbm
04-25-2011, 12:42 PM
Kinda like a prepaid card of sorts.

Smart move IMO.

The 1 2 P
04-25-2011, 07:43 PM
You're right. You only have access to the plus stuff while you're a plus member.


Basically for $50, it's 15 months of what you could say is a rental service.


Yup

Thats what I figured.

The 1 2 P
04-25-2011, 07:46 PM
Lesson learned...always use pre-paid cards with XBL or PSN.

Especially considering how cheap you can find those cards, atleast for XBL. Theres bound to be deals for PSN cards as well.

retroman
04-25-2011, 09:40 PM
it does suck..No Black Ops...oh well..back to Goldeneye, and Frontline..

Kid Ice
04-25-2011, 10:11 PM
it does suck..No Black Ops...oh well..back to Goldeneye, and Frontline..

I submit for the suck list:

-no e-mail warning from Sony, so I spent an hour troubleshooting these mysterious error messages when I could have been playing Vectrex games or something. In the process I erased my saved password so I have that puzzle to look forward to when it does get going again. Not only no e-mail, but nothing in my PS3 message box... so why even have that thing in the first place? So Sony can wish me Happy Valentine's Day? (seriously, that's the only message in there)

-no Music Unlimited which I was using almost every night. If I'm not reimbursed for these lost days (which you KNOW I won't be) so much for that service.

-no Netflix on my hd set

-no Gran Turismo 5. I'm guessing the game probably works but I don't want to miss out on some unforeseen function that is not working while online is down.

-I was thinking about picking up Mortal Kombat. See some unforeseen function comment above.

-depending on the yet unrevealed nature of this "intrusion" I will probably be cancelling my credit card which will be fun to explain to the wife.

-if I feel like donwloading a new game for my Go I'm SOL (that none of the haters have deemed the machine PSPSOL is a minor miracle)

-WORST OF ALL: so some anonymous (he he) hackers have decided they don't like Sony and decided to disrupt my service. What happens if they decide they don't like my bank, my cable company, Netflix, etc. ? Non-gamers are ignoring this event, and clearly at their own peril. "Well whadya want, it's a free service?" Buffoons.

c0ldb33r
04-25-2011, 10:18 PM
I submit for the suck list:
...
Agreed.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but just FYI you can still watch netflix while psn is down. You just hit o (I think) to bypass the error message.

Kid Ice
04-25-2011, 10:30 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you, but just FYI you can still watch netflix while psn is down. You just hit o (I think) to bypass the error message.

Thanks, I was getting kicked into that password thing but it does actually work. Still would be nice to hear that from Sony instead of a random person on the DP forums.

exit
04-25-2011, 10:33 PM
My buddies girl called me up today asking what was up with the PSN and I told her what was going on, he usually plays Madden 11 with his brother that lives in another state every night and can't now because these hacks want to be douchebags. The PSN being down doesn't bother me that much, but I feel for the ones that frequently do, since not everyone goes on to pwn the n00bz on BLOPS, some actually go on to play with friends/family that are a great distance away.

GarrettCRW
04-26-2011, 02:12 AM
Besides being a PlayStation Plus subscriber, I have MLB.tv, which I signed up for specifically because I could watch Red Sox games on my TV (especially since the silly-ass blackout rules for Las Vegas don't seem to apply to my current IP). Now, I have to use my computer, which makes multi-tasking practically impossible. I can only imagine the annoyance factor for hockey fans who actually shelled out the insane price for NHL GameCenter-in case you haven't noticed, only a third of the first-round playoff games have been on NBC and/or Versus. I'm of the mind that paying customers definitely deserve some reimbursement for the PSN outage.

Kitsune Sniper
04-26-2011, 08:48 AM
Uh...

Is this for real? (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/04/26/sony-shuts-down-playstation-network-indefinitely/)

Vlcice
04-26-2011, 09:24 AM
Check the link they were citing: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/25/psn-update/

Sony is saying that they don't have a timeframe "at this point in time", which is pretty indefinite.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-26-2011, 09:41 AM
"Indefinitely" does not mean forever. It means quite literally an unknown amount of time.

If Sony hadn't clearly reported that they are "...working to get them back online quickly." I'd be concerned, but let's try not to react to all the obviously divisive news articles cropping up.

Yes, this situation undeniably sucks, yes the official information available is sparse, but as far as gaming news goes, it's a slow month. This is an opportunity for sites to get some hits and generate some traffic with fantastical headlines from people frantically looking for answers.

I have complete faith that Sony is working as hard and as fast as they're able to to resolve this, it would be absurd to think otherwise. In all likelihood It may take a few more weeks, but it's not like they're shutting PSN off until the next console generation and there's no evidence that supports any such allegation.

megasdkirby
04-26-2011, 09:53 AM
I have complete faith that Sony is working as hard and as fast as they're able to to resolve this, it would be absurd to think otherwise. In all likelihood It may take a few more weeks, but it's not like they're shutting PSN off until the next console generation and there's no evidence that supports any such allegation.

I agree, but I feel that most customers won't care and probably abandon PSN services in favor of XBLA. The reason I say this is because of experience Ive dealt with, and continue to deal with, with customers. Some are willing to wait (like many of us here)...others refuse to wait and need their "quick fix".

I would like to see the effects of this in the long run. My personal prediction is a good chunk of loss regarding user base.

Frankie_Says_Relax
04-26-2011, 10:05 AM
I agree, but I feel that most customers won't care and probably abandon PSN services in favor of XBLA. The reason I say this is because of experience Ive dealt with, and continue to deal with, with customers. Some are willing to wait (like many of us here)...others refuse to wait and need their "quick fix".

I would like to see the effects of this in the long run. My personal prediction is a good chunk of loss regarding user base.

There's also a large portion of gamers that have BOTH PS3 and 360 (as well as Wii and PC) to choose from where online gaming is concerned. So, getting a "fix" is as simple as playing online games elsewhere without the need/necessity to go out and buy a different system or sign up for a different service.

These things happen and they've happened elsewhere in some cases for longer periods of times.

Again, yes, it completely sucks, but this is hardly as sensational as some of the news articles I'm seeing today are making it out to be.

The Brits had it right with their wartime slogans. We just need to keep calm and carry on, or, more appropriate for these forums ...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/FrankieViturello/Keep_Calm.png

megasdkirby
04-26-2011, 10:20 AM
You need to take my shifts for a few days. Your opinion will indeed change. LOL

maxlords
04-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Oh yeah...there are a ton of people that would rather buy a 360 than wait an "indefinite" amount of time. I know a fair number of my friends are irritated. Most of em aren't even heavy online players.

JSoup
04-26-2011, 03:32 PM
Seems I posted this in the wrong topic, so it might be old news by now, but:

I didn't save the link, but there was an article I read earlier that had a statement from a PSN employee that the problem came from hackers figuring out how to put the PS3 into developer mode. Further, the developer server, because it's supposedly owned by Sony, didn't do checks on credit card numbers to make sure they were correct or valid for some such reason, which led to the hackers using fake numbers to pirate crap off the PSN.

Or something.

NayusDante
04-26-2011, 09:26 PM
New update. (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/update-on-playstation-network-and-qriocity/)

I don't know about you guys, but I don't exactly feel thrilled to hear Sony telling me I should go get a credit check.

JSoup
04-27-2011, 02:53 AM
Sadly, my credit card is a bank card. :/ Thankfully, that card expires in four days.

c0ldb33r
05-01-2011, 09:11 AM
Good news (finally) - PSN will be back up next week in a phased roll-out.

Free 30 days of Playstation Plus, Qrocity and a few not-yet-announced downloads as compensation.

http://www.ripten.com/2011/05/01/psn-will-return-this-week-with-welcome-back-benefits/

I don't really care about the free stuff, since anything you download with Playstation Plus will expire after the 30 days, but I just hope they get it back up and it is SAFE.

Frankie_Says_Relax
05-01-2011, 10:11 AM
Here is the full, official statement from Sony following their press conference in Japan addressing this issue yesterday.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/30/press-release-some-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/

Relevant bullet points/timeline:


Illegal intrustion occurred

Sony shut down access to PSN network

Multiple security firms engaged to perform full audits of their entire database and servers

No compromise of encrypted credit card data found

Sony completed a migration of all sensitive data to new, more secure servers at a different location

Additional security was added to existing security on their networks including more data defenders, more encryption, more firewalls and the ability to more closely monitor intrusions.

Ongoing investigations with the intent to identify and prosecute those responsible will continue.

When the network is reactivated next week, as an added security measure, access will not be granted to users until they change their password.

All subscription based services will get a credit on their time.

ALL PSN members get 30 free days of PLUS

PSN PLUS, QRIOSITY members get 30 free days of service

Yet to be determined free content will be provided, likely differing per region

Sony will assist consumers who want to enroll in an identity protection service further details to be available regionally on a local level


So, there we go.

A very inconvenient downtime with what sounds to be an ultimately beneficial resolution for all. Sony gets better security up and running and users get some reasonable reparations for time lost.