Wii Successor confirmed for 2012 launch [Archive] - Page 2

Swamperon

05-06-2011, 01:56 PM

Apparently Microsoft are rushing to head off any advantage Nintendo could have with an early start to the 8th Gen:

http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA

Pass on whether this is true but it wouldn't be entirely far fetched to see the 720 in a 2012 launch. Make it powerful (or slightly more) to match Wii2, bundle in Kinect 2.0 and you'd probably have a successful Christmas at the right price.

After Nintendo 'won' E3 10, I'm sure MS and Sony don't want a repeat this year and beating the reveal of a new console is pretty hard to do.

EDIT: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-06-new-xbox-reveal-at-e3-unlikely-source

They hear a reveal is unlikely, so I guess just a mention of some form. Which seems more likely.

chicnstu

05-06-2011, 02:39 PM

Project Cafe is the code name and Stream is the rumored name but I'm guessing Nintendo will somehow come up with another kiddy sounding name for this new system. I suppose nothing could be worse than the name Wii.

Gotta keep the Nintendo=Kiddy phrase going right?

To me, no console name is more lame, "immature", and "I'm cool too, look at me!" than Xbox 360. Other than TurboGrafx. At least Nintendo was trying to be original and got out of the trend of game consoles having cheesy names, similar to Sega's great console names.

The 1 2 P

05-06-2011, 05:16 PM

Gotta keep the Nintendo=Kiddy phrase going right?

To me, no console name is more lame, "immature", and "I'm cool too, look at me!" than Xbox 360. Other than TurboGrafx. At least Nintendo was trying to be original and got out of the trend of game consoles having cheesy names, similar to Sega's great console names.

The best name Nintendo ever had for a console was Revolution. I'm still disappointed they didn't use that one but their reasoning was because it was too hard to pronounce for some countries. Had they used it I would have proclaimed it the greatest console name ever.

Zap!

05-06-2011, 05:42 PM

The best name Nintendo ever had for a console was Revolution. I'm still disappointed they didn't use that one but their reasoning was because it was too hard to pronounce for some countries. Had they used it I would have proclaimed it the greatest console name ever.

They never use their code names for some reason. Project Reality (N64), Dolphin (Gamecube), Revolution (Wii), and now Project Cafe. Sega used code names too. Sony and Microsoft never do it, but should. Kinda makes it more interesting IMO.

Leo_A

05-06-2011, 08:58 PM

Gotta keep the Nintendo=Kiddy phrase going right?

To me, no console name is more lame, "immature", and "I'm cool too, look at me!" than Xbox 360. Other than TurboGrafx. At least Nintendo was trying to be original and got out of the trend of game consoles having cheesy names, similar to Sega's great console names.

Wii was an attempt to get out of the trend of game consoles having chessy names?

All these years, I thought it held the crown for the worst example of such.

Swamperon

05-07-2011, 05:49 AM

They never use their code names for some reason. Project Reality (N64), Dolphin (Gamecube), Revolution (Wii), and now Project Cafe. Sega used code names too. Sony and Microsoft never do it, but should. Kinda makes it more interesting IMO.

I think with the Saturn though Sega kept the codename? Their theme was naming their consoles after the planets during development. I forgot what the others were but the 'infamous' Neptune comes easily to mind.

Zap!

05-07-2011, 05:54 AM

I think with the Saturn though Sega kept the codename? Their theme was naming their consoles after the planets during development. I forgot what the others were but the 'infamous' Neptune comes easily to mind.

Maybe it's because it's close to 6:00 AM, but I am drawing a total blank on all of Sega's code names now. :)

crazyjackcsa

05-07-2011, 06:32 AM

Sega Mercury: Sega Game Gear
Sega Venus: Sega Nomad
Sega Mars :Sega 32X
Sega Jupiter Cart-based 32-bit system; abandoned in planning stages in favor of a disc-based system that became known as...
Sega Saturn Final name.
Sega Neptune 32X/Mega Drive combo unit
Katana / Dural / Black Belt: Dreamcast

duffmanth

05-07-2011, 09:17 AM

It would be nice if Nintendo would cater more to the mature crowd this time around.

Icarus Moonsight

05-07-2011, 10:26 AM

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/sunukwii.jpg

:oops:

Peonpiate

05-07-2011, 11:07 AM

I hope the next Nintendo console is powerful enough so that we notice a differenc from it and 360/PS3.

Considering Nintendo's track record of being cheap on the hardware, Id be surprised its more powerful than either of those consoles. At best we will probably get a HD version of the Wii and a new gimick to attract people to the console [like the numchucks with the Wii].

Zap!

05-07-2011, 03:59 PM

Considering Nintendo's track record of being cheap on the hardware, Id be surprised its more powerful than either of those consoles. At best we will probably get a HD version of the Wii and a new gimick to attract people to the console [like the numchucks with the Wii].

And what track record is that? This is the only time in their history when they have been the least most powerful console.

The NES, although inferior to the SMS, was ahead of the Atari 7800 and XE GS.

The SNES was ahead of the Genesis and TG-16 (but weaker than the Neo-Geo)

The N64 was ahead of the Saturn and PS1 (although sometimes it was hard to tell, lacking a CD; with a CD, it would have blown them away).

The Gamecube was ahead of the PS2 and Dreamcast, and some will say ahead of the Xbox, although it certainly can be debated.

Note: I left out the Jaguar, 3D0, Laser Active, and CD-i. They are truly in-between a generation.

The 1 2 P

05-07-2011, 07:15 PM

Sony and Microsoft never do it, but should.

Microsoft has used them before:

360 was code named Zenon
The elite was code named Zephyr
Kinect was code named Natal.

And for Sony:

Playstation was code named PS-X

j_factor

05-07-2011, 07:43 PM

And what track record is that? This is the only time in their history when they have been the least most powerful console.

The NES, although inferior to the SMS, was ahead of the Atari 7800 and XE GS.

The SNES was ahead of the Genesis and TG-16 (but weaker than the Neo-Geo)

The N64 was ahead of the Saturn and PS1 (although sometimes it was hard to tell, lacking a CD; with a CD, it would have blown them away).

The Gamecube was ahead of the PS2 and Dreamcast, and some will say ahead of the Xbox, although it certainly can be debated.

Note: I left out the Jaguar, 3D0, Laser Active, and CD-i. They are truly in-between a generation.

He said cheap, not least powerful. With NES they cheaped out on the memory, which is why so many games need mappers. With SNES they cheaped out on the CPU, which is slower than even the PC Engine's (which is 3 years older). With N64 they used cartridges, bringing down the price of the hardware (at the expense of an increased price for the games). Gamecube was the only console of it's generation that didn't do anything other than play games.

wingzrow

05-07-2011, 08:03 PM

"The Gamecube was ahead of the Dreamcast "

Wasn't the xbox the most powerful system at that time?

Leo_A

05-07-2011, 08:51 PM

"The Gamecube was ahead of the Dreamcast "

Wasn't the xbox the most powerful system at that time?

The Xbox was the most powerful of it's generation. Never seen anyone say it was even debatable until now.

Belmont008

05-07-2011, 09:03 PM

I believe that the Xbox was technically superior to both the game cube and the PS2, the cube was less powerful than the PS2 but could output at a higher resolution with the special, and now oh so expensive, nintendo component cable.

I'm actually pretty excited about the new nintendo console, but I am a little worried about it too. Of the names, N6 sounds better than stream. Anyone think that it will be another dreamcast? Nintendo is now just coming out with a console (to replace its gamecube attached with motion controls) powerful enough to compete with the current generation, but when Sony and MS release their next systems project cafe probably won't be able to compete with them.

Icarus Moonsight

05-07-2011, 09:14 PM

...the cube was less powerful than the PS2...

This thread is going not just off-topic, but off-fact. LOL

Peonpiate

05-07-2011, 09:49 PM

And what track record is that? This is the only time in their history when they have been the least most powerful console.

The NES, although inferior to the SMS, was ahead of the Atari 7800 and XE GS.

The SNES was ahead of the Genesis and TG-16 (but weaker than the Neo-Geo)

The N64 was ahead of the Saturn and PS1 (although sometimes it was hard to tell, lacking a CD; with a CD, it would have blown them away).

The Gamecube was ahead of the PS2 and Dreamcast, and some will say ahead of the Xbox, although it certainly can be debated.

Note: I left out the Jaguar, 3D0, Laser Active, and CD-i. They are truly in-between a generation.

J-Factor answered it for the most part, Nintendo obviously skimps wherever they can. All of their consoles they have skimped on parts where they could to a reasonable degree, and then try to make up for it with addons in some cases [FX chips, mappers, Ram expansion packs etc].

I dont want to derail this topic much anymore...But I will say that you are right - if the N64 had a CD drive it would have been in a league of its own compared to the PSX and Saturn, but that again is Nintendo being cheap [CD drives added $100.00 to the production cost of a console back in 95-98].

Leo_A

05-07-2011, 10:45 PM

I thought the commonly held reason for Nintendo sticking with carts was to combat piracy?

While the cartridge slot was probably significantly cheaper than a cd-rom drive, I'm not sure it's accurate to describe it as Nintendo "skimping out". With that decision, Nintendo went with premium media that was far too expensive for it's own good compared to cd's, with tragic results that devastated 3rd party development on the platform.

If anything, they selected the more expensive option of the two.

j_factor

05-07-2011, 11:20 PM

QuickSciFi

05-07-2011, 11:24 PM

Latest (self-contradicting) news:

It will cater to [hard]core gamers, thus it will allow for [casual] gameplay by making it the premier online/social gaming experience.

read it for yourself:
http://www.operationsports.com/shadthedad/blog/12919-project-cafewii-2nintendo-stream-news/

I may have swallowed some puke after reading that. Clearly the writer was 100% sports-biased. If he was trying to sell me the next Nintendo console, I would've run as fast as I could in the opposite direction.

Leo_A

05-08-2011, 12:35 AM

It may not have been their sole reason, but it certainly came into consideration. Nintendo would not have released a more expensive system (and they certainly wouldn't have taken the difference as a loss). If Nintendo had decided they wanted a CD based system, they would have used a completely different, and cheaper, chip set.

That's assuming an awful lot right there. We don't even know the profit margin for the system as it was released, for starters. Substituting a cd-rom drive (Which was starting to become significantly more economical in this timeframe with prices decreasing rapidily) may not of even pushed them over the edge of profitability. And it looks like manufacturing a cd in the spring of 1995 only cost $1. If they had sold the console at a loss by installing a cd-rom drive, they would've also increased their profit margins significantly with their games. So there is always the possibility they may of been more profitable that way.

Everything I've ever seen up until now claimed it was done because Nintendo was unsatisified with disc read speeds of the time and to discourage piracy. I believe even representatives from Nintendo were saying such things to defend that decision back in the day.

Gameguy

05-08-2011, 12:43 AM

From that article:

If you played a Wii, you're fully aware that when the console is turned off in stand by mode, its still on and actively connected to the internet. When Nintendo sends you content or a fellow Wii gamer sends you a Mii (a virtual avatar) your console will light up with a blue hue to signal that content has been delivered, even when turned off! Now imagine, coming home from a long days work and wanting to settle into your gaming night, without turning the TV or console on. You would simply grab your controller, which notifies you through the blue hue that you have buddies gaming on Madden (similar to the blue light on the Wii). With the 6 inch touch screen, you'll be able to scroll through various wii channels and watch your buddies game from the controller, even while the console sits in standby mode! I believe this is the reason the system is rumored to be called the Nintendo Stream and the rationale for the introduction of the Wii channels on the Nintendo Wii! With a system that's always on and always connected, it will allow for a much more social/online gaming experience with the controller being a virtual portal/extension of the new Nintendo console!
Cool, a system that will never turn off even when I'm not home. I love it when devices use electricity and bandwidth when I'm not even there. Maybe I'm not that social, but there are times when I just want to spend time by myself and not be contacted constantly with friends and people I know. It's like you have to unplug the thing whenever you're not using it. Does anybody settle into their "gaming night" by not turning the TV or console on?

You say you aren't the reading type when taking care of business in the bathroom.... Simply, grab your controller and scroll through various Wii like channels of everyone on your friend's list and even watch them game live as they play a game of Madden or NBA 2k! Lets take this a step further and suggest you'll even be able to send messages or some form of a Nintendo version of a tweet to suggest coaching points to friends while watching them game without turning on your console or television!
Message your friends while using the bathroom? To complain about their playing ability? All stalker like? Ok, is anyone excited about a feature like that? And that's not really a great way to watch them play Madden, it's much better to set up hidden cameras in their homes ahead of time and watch them with those. That's if you really care so much about watching them play a game without actually being there in person to interact with them. Pretty creepy.

From everything I've heard so far I really don't care about this system at all, I'll have to see what games come out for this to see if it's worthwhile. Maybe I'll finally pick up a Gamecube and work my way towards this console in a couple of decades. LOL

Leo_A

05-08-2011, 12:53 AM

Considering how little the 3DS appears to have advanced Nintendo's online connectivity, it sounds like a lot of nonsense to me.

He's stretching things pretty far. How does that benefit anyone over just taking the 2 seconds to hit the power on the television remote control and having the video sent to the television?

I think you don't have to look beyond what they've tried to do in the past with their handheld connectivity to their consoles and touch screen gaming on their handhelds to understand why, if true, they're implimenting a touch screen. It integrates that second screen and those features Nintendo seemed to want to explore, while bringing control possibilities to the console world that succeeded for them in the handheld world.

As for the rumored name, I imagine it's because it will have something akin to Sony's remote play feature that will let you play games without using your television screen (Ideal for children, those with a spouse or family member that wants to use a tv at the same time you want to play, or just someone that wants to lay back and play without being stuck in front of a television).

That link is the speculation and odd wishes of some nut, I wouldn't hold that against Nintendo.

swlovinist

05-08-2011, 12:57 AM

I am optimistic about Nintendo making a great console. There are going to be people that hate them for the direction they have taken, the games that they did not make, and the whole non HD graphics thing. I predict that Nintendo is going to come out swinging, with a console that hopefully can correct some of the things that they have failed to do correctly. E3 is going to really be interesting this year, I cannot wait.

Icarus Moonsight

05-08-2011, 09:37 PM

Gametrailers.com is doing an E3 preliminary show, Nintendo is Episode 1 - Link: http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/504?ch=1

calgon

05-08-2011, 10:03 PM

Here's my guess:

-HD
-Controller is similar to a gameboy advance with touch screen
-Ability to stream games in netflix style
-Console size similar to wii, probably a bit larger

Swamperon

05-09-2011, 07:25 AM

Here's my guess:

-HD
-Controller is similar to a gameboy advance with touch screen
-Ability to stream games in netflix style
-Console size similar to wii, probably a bit larger

Oooh fun, here's mine:

- HD
- More powerful than the 360 but not amazingly so, like GC>PS2
- Controller will have a screen, a hybrid of the lower half of DS and GC controller.
- Console will be horizontal and quite small.
- BC with Wii and probably GC titles.
- The VC/Wiiware will carry over and titles will be transferable.

- Motion control will be retained with Wiimotes being (forward?) compatible. An improved version will also be released.
- Mini-games/downloadable titles will be able to be streamed to the controller.
- 3DS will be able to function as a secondary controller.

- Launch titles will include Pikmin 3, Wii Sports 2 and a 'big' title from a 3rd party such as GTA V, Resient Evil etc
- Possibly also a new 2D SMB to properly demonstrate the controller screen, new online features and to ensure it sells.

Icarus Moonsight

05-09-2011, 08:31 AM

Time warp double post. Doing my part to train the benevolent overseer. My brains taste yucky BTW.

Overbite

05-09-2011, 09:54 PM

Oldskool

05-09-2011, 10:36 PM

It's about time for Sega to just release another console. They are WAYYY in the black now - not like they don't have money anymore. Hell they have more money now than they've had since before the Saturn and DC days.

I'm not impressed by the Wii either. I only like the VC on it, and Metroid, and not much else.

Sega needs to come out swinging and put Nintendo to shame.

Sometimes I think the Xbox is the Sega of today, basically. The gamers that would be playing on a new Sega are on the Xbox. Just my opinion.

I don't think everyone should be too quick to assume what Nintendo is doing. They may have announced a few features, but until the unvieling I am not gonna give my opinion on it.

Zap!

05-09-2011, 11:49 PM

I'm not sold on this thing. The Wii was a huge disappointment that just collects dust. As someone who doesn't give a shit about Mario or Zelda or Smash Bros I want something with good third party support which frankly Nintendo doesn't have, except on the DS.

Sony and Microsoft will come out with their new systems after this and Nintendo will have the weakest system again and companies will have to release a scaled down version with tacked on gimmick controller support just for it.

There are people who don't like Mario or Zelda?

Graham Mitchell

05-09-2011, 11:54 PM

There are people who don't like Mario or Zelda?

I've actually lost interest in 3-D Mario games. I hate the imprecision in the jumping and the collection tasks. Galaxy was alright, but I think the Wii was just too underpowered to offer anything really amazing. I do dig New SMB, however.

New console Zelda releases, on the other hand, will get me buy a new console. Twilight Princess blew my mind and renewed my faith in Nintendo's competence.

Zap!

05-10-2011, 12:02 AM

I've actually lost interest in 3-D Mario games. I hate the imprecision in the jumping and the collection tasks. Galaxy was alright, but I think the Wii was just too underpowered to offer anything really amazing. I do dig New SMB, however.

New console Zelda releases, on the other hand, will get me buy a new console. Twilight Princess blew my mind and renewed my faith in Nintendo's competence.

I thought New Super Mario Bros. Wii was one of the greatest games in 10 years. It far outsold the Galaxy games to the point where it's one of the top five selling games in history. Did you like that one?

camarotuner

05-10-2011, 12:15 AM

Graham Mitchell

05-10-2011, 12:28 AM

I thought New Super Mario Bros. Wii was one of the greatest games in 10 years. It far outsold the Galaxy games to the point where it's one of the top five selling games in history. Did you like that one?

Yup! I actually said that in my post ;)

I actually played it on the ds, though. I sold my wii before new smb came out. If the new console is backwards compatible, I'll definitely grab new smb for it

Oldskool

05-10-2011, 12:32 AM

As long as nintendo's "core" titles (dk, metroid, mario, zelda, yadda yadda) continue to be only on nintendo consoles (and I can't imagine anything short of no new nintendo consoles ever changing THAT fact) I'm buying nintendo's systems.

Why do I want a 3DS? Pre-ordered mario, paper mario, mario kart, and zelda. Why do I want whatever the next console is called? Same damn games basically. Third party support would be great but I'm not holding my breath and frankly I have more fun playing nintendo's titles anyways.

I'm with you that I like their "Core" titles, for the most part. But I am not gonna pre-order anything for those titles. It's one of those "eventually I'll get it" type of a thing. The older I get, the more I wait for stuff to end up on the discount rack or get to the $99 price point, which is gonna be soon for the Wii and the 360 I have a feeling.

Zap!

05-10-2011, 12:47 AM

Yup! I actually said that in my post ;)

You did, I have to pay more attention. :)

The older I get, the more I wait for stuff to end up on the discount rack or get to the $99 price point, which is gonna be soon for the Wii and the 360 I have a feeling.

Shouldn't it be the opposite, since now that you're older you have a lot more money than when you were a teen? Unless you are really old, where it reverses again, like when they use tons of coupons and go out to eat at 4:00 so they can get the early bird special for a great price. :D

Icarus Moonsight

05-10-2011, 09:24 AM

Being an adult, one also has more options on what to buy. Plus, there is also responsibility. I'm with him on that. I'm going to wait for any new acquisitions unless it's something particularly special.

calgon

05-10-2011, 11:03 AM

We all remember what happened when the Dreamcast and Saturn launched ahead of the competition.

I'd like to think Nintendo will bring the console up to PS3 standards (remember that technology is five years old) and still offer something innovative at a reasonable price-point. I think streaming content might help 3rd parties get involved since they'd be trimming manufacturing costs. That said Nintendo will still need a bunch of friendly, inviting 1st party software ready to go. The N64 lived on Mario64 for such a long time that one might argue the best game for the system was the first one released. Nintendo will need to bring a little of that plus wii sports redux to the table to get me and other casual gamers interested.

camarotuner

05-10-2011, 02:44 PM

Just so we're clear I pre-order and buy all my core nintendo titles at launch day simply because I work for GS. Between the employee discount and the reward point program I make out ok. I use the points to get useless nintendo trinkets like exclusive keychains and stuff. Not appealing to most people but I like it.

Now my poor PS3 doesn't get anything bought new but NHL each september. Otherwise I wait for clearance, b2g1 free used sales, or anything else to drive the price down since most games tank quickly in price anymore.

WanganRunner

05-11-2011, 10:00 PM

I'm not sold on this thing. The Wii was a huge disappointment that just collects dust. As someone who doesn't give a shit about Mario or Zelda or Smash Bros I want something with good third party support which frankly Nintendo doesn't have, except on the DS.

^^
Anyone who buys a Nintendo console for anything other than first party games is a bozo. Those days are over. Third party software is a nice bonus, but you can't expect it.

Nintendo's refusal to sell hardware at a loss puts them in a position where they are not adequately motivated to court third parties relative to their competition, and this will continue.

Expect Mario and Zelda and Pikmin on nicer hardware, nothing else. It will be enough for me.

Leo_A

05-12-2011, 12:04 AM

If you buy into all the rumors, it sounds as if the Wii HD should at least be better placed for 3rd parties to thrive than the Wii has been.

NayusDante

05-12-2011, 12:25 AM

While we still have time for speculation, I had an idea today...

The price of head-mounted displays is slowly going down, and they're beginning to reach usable resolutions. Sony has a prototype that runs 720p. If the rumor of the R700 GPU is true, then limiting output to 720p and adding filtering could produce much better results than what we're seeing on current consoles trying to render at 1080p. Add the HMD gimmick and you have a console that's differentiated enough from the competition. It's probably far from the truth, but it would certainly explain the choice of an older GPU.

WCP

05-12-2011, 12:41 AM

If you buy into all the rumors, it sounds as if the Wii HD should at least be better placed for 3rd parties to thrive than the Wii has been.

Yeah, it seems like conventional wisdom is saying that Nintendo is hoping to basically leach off the Xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of 3rd party games, for it's first two years. At least, they are hoping for two years before having to compete head to head with either Microsoft or Sony. The thinking is that 360/PS3 multi-platforms will make an easy port to the Nintendo Stream, and due to the superior hardware capabilities (more ram, slightly better GPU than PS3), it will have the best available version of most multi-platform games, similar to how the original Xbox normally had the best version (graphics/sounds) during the PS2 and GameCube era's. Even though the majority of games were made specifically for the PS2, the original Xbox enjoyed a couple of key advantages (progressive scan and Dolby Digtal 5.1 during gameplay). Nintendo Stream should enjoy 1080p resolutions and higher framerates than their 360/PS3 counterparts, when it comes to ports, unless it's a lazy port.

Personally, I don't think Nintendo is going to get a full 2 years to themselves. I think if Microsoft was thinking 2014, they are going to have to move their timeline up by a full year, and make a November 2013 launch. They can't allow Nintendo to have two full years of leaching off the multiplats.

I originally thought that Nintendo might try to pull off a huge shocker at e3, and announce that the Nintendo Stream is indeed coming this year, but I've resigned myself to the fact that this is more of a "pie in the sky" type of thought, and not very realistic at all. I still think Nintendo should release their console this November, even if not that many games are available, because I think this would guarantee themselves at least 2 years all to themselves. It's hard to argue that it isn't 2012 though, because of the investors meeting. I guess we'll find out the full scoop on June 7th.

Leo_A

05-12-2011, 05:27 AM

Yeah, you can write off any hopes for a release this year. They wouldn't lie to the people who are essentially their owners. We can take their word when they stated to their investors that it won't be coming out during this fiscal year (Which I believe runs up through April of 2012) and that it's due during the 2012 fiscal year.

While I'm not sure if there is a penalty in this country for deliberate misinformation during an investor's meeting, executives can be imprisoned for writing off on false financial filings with the SEC for an example of the seriousness of such things when it comes to fradulent information meant to conceal and mislead investors of the truth. I'm sure it would be similarly frowned upon in Japan, if not illegal. At the very best, it would be considered a highly unethical move to intentionally lie to their shareholders just to keep hidden their plans of a secret 2011 launch for a few additional weeks. Would jeapordize the positions of top executives in the firm and within the board of directors for deliberately misleading the shareholders due to the backlast that would result.

Knowing that, it would require a major last minute turnaround in their plans to move the release date forwards since it's certainly not in the cards as of their investor's conference a few weeks ago. Extremelly unlikely to say the least.

j_factor

05-12-2011, 12:39 PM

Anyone who buys a Nintendo console for anything other than first party games is a bozo.

I guess I'm a bozo. The games that initially attracted me to the Wii were Red Steel, Monkey Ball, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Trauma Center, and Elebits. Excite Truck is pretty good, but it wasn't as big in my mind as those. I had a Gamecube already, so Zelda wasn't a factor.

Rob2600

05-12-2011, 12:57 PM

I don't think Nintendo is going to get a full 2 years to themselves. I think if Microsoft was thinking 2014, they are going to have to move their timeline up by a full year, and make a November 2013 launch.

I doubt Microsoft wants to rush its next console to market. The 360 was rushed and ended up costing MS more than $1 billion because of the "red ring of death" fiasco.

WCP

05-13-2011, 01:26 AM

I doubt Microsoft wants to rush its next console to market. The 360 was rushed and ended up costing MS more than $1 billion because of the "red ring of death" fiasco.

Sure, they don't want to rush it to market, but there is no way in hell that Microsoft will let Nintendo have a full two years all to themselves. The only way that happens is if Nintendo were to release it this November. Microsoft would be unable to get their new console ready for Xmas 2012, which would mean Nintendo would have two Xmas seasons all to themselves.

As for them speeding up the process a year, and making a November 2013 launch, I honestly can't fathom it not happening.

swlovinist

05-13-2011, 01:48 AM

Agree with WCP. The competition is not going let the Wii have a two year lead. It does matter on the reception of the Wii successor. If the system is a flop, then there is no need for MS and PS3 to speed up plans for a successor. I do however feel that the successor to the Wii is going to be a more full fledged gaming console that will cater to a more gamer crowd. Even if it is more of the same from Nintendo, it will be in HD...and that is perfectly fine with me. I have said it before and I will say it again, price is going to matter ALOT on this one. If Nintendo is going to try to offer a $399 system then it has alot of balls. Hopefully they can take a nod from the 3DS and remember that PRICE matters ALOT these days for non necessities. I am hopefully anticipating a system price of $299...but we will see.

QuickSciFi

05-13-2011, 01:51 AM

I can totally see that happening (Microsoft, or even Sony, releasing their systems before time). So, at the risk of creating new rumors, I'm going to go all out and "hope" there're some brains left in Nintendo and that they would release something more suitable to being called an 8th generation console, and not just some gimmicky stremable-to-your-controller-touch-screen concoction (leaving intact such streamable-to-your-controller-touch-screen interphase, of course ;)). In other words, I hope they give us something proportionally more powerful than the current gen consoles (and not just a stone's throw from what we already have :?)

Zap!

05-13-2011, 02:30 AM

Sure, they don't want to rush it to market, but there is no way in hell that Microsoft will let Nintendo have a full two years all to themselves. The only way that happens is if Nintendo were to release it this November. Microsoft would be unable to get their new console ready for Xmas 2012, which would mean Nintendo would have two Xmas seasons all to themselves.

As for them speeding up the process a year, and making a November 2013 launch, I honestly can't fathom it not happening.

Is there any chance MS or Sony exit the console business and pull a Sega/Atari? Please?

Swamperon

05-13-2011, 08:08 AM

Is there any chance MS or Sony exit the console business and pull a Sega/Atari? Please?

Only if the 720/PS4 is a huge failure and costs them billions of dollars, and even then possibly not. I can't see either being likely.

camarotuner

05-13-2011, 10:16 AM

You know I honestly thought the rrod fiasco might cause MS to re-think it's videogame division strategy. In a lot of ways it did they pretty much cleaned house and hired tons of new people. I doubt they'd be dumb enough to rush a system to market, again, and run the risk of it being a disaster like that. Once is funny twice is stupid right?

Press_Start

05-13-2011, 12:52 PM

I doubt Microsoft wants to rush its next console to market. The 360 was rushed and ended up costing MS more than $1 billion because of the "red ring of death" fiasco.

Most likely Sony and MS will side-step it and release PS3.5 and Xbox540 with a slight graphics upgrade including both motion and regular controller as their next console cause I think they're afraid to go full next-gen due to the skyrocketing hardware and dev costs (i.e. PS4 release price >= $600), not forgetting the slow economic recovery and joblessness in the USA. So, no way we're seeing 720 'til the later half of 10's is my guestimate.

Leo_A

05-13-2011, 02:07 PM

Most likely Sony and MS will side-step it and release PS3.5 and Xbox540 with a slight graphics upgrade including both motion and regular controller as their next console cause I think they're afraid to go full next-gen due to the skyrocketing hardware and dev costs (i.e. PS4 release price >= $600), not forgetting the slow economic recovery and joblessness in the USA. So, no way we're seeing 720 'til the later half of 10's is my guestimate.

How'd you figure a price like that for the Playstation 3's successor? And what skyrocketing hardware cost? The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 have been profitable for quite sometime. There's little question they could be replaced with a successor with a good bit more power without costing $600. Technology marches on and what cost a fortune just a few years earlier is now much more economical.

I have no doubt the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 will be replaced with proper successors over the next couple of years. There's no way we're going to go over 10 years with this generation.

The 1 2 P

05-13-2011, 07:36 PM

There's no way we're going to go over 10 years with this generation.

The 360 only needs to remain on shelves for another 4 years for that to happen and considering how they have outsold both the Wii and PS3 11 out of the last 12 months in the US I don't think they are in any kind of rush for a replacement, especially since Kinect is also still doing well.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the next Xbox won't come out sometime before the next 4 years. I'm pretty sure it will and Microsoft will continue to support both systems, as will Sony continue to support the PS3 when they finally launch the PS4.

As for Project Cafe, it's basically just going to get ports of all of this gens games that the Wii couldn't handle(Bioshock, Arkham Asylum, GTA4, etc) while also getting it's legacy first party titles. While I think that third parties may release a few of their big titles for it, I'm guessing that the majority of them will hold off until Microsoft and Sony launch their new systems, mainly because they make much more money on their consoles then they do on Nintendo's consoles.

Zap!

05-13-2011, 08:13 PM

I can't wait to see May's console sales. The PS3's sales have probably went in the toilet with the outage. I would be literally stunned beyond belief if they weren't in third place for the month. My guess is it will help MS a lot more than Nintendo though. As evil as it sounds, the MS execs are likely very happy with the Sony network problems.

Leo_A

05-13-2011, 08:17 PM

I have no doubt the Xbox 360 will be replaced well before the next 4 and a half years are up. There's no way either one are going to last until the latter part of this decade without being replaced from what I can see (Although I'd welcome it actually happening).

I'd be somewhat surprised if we get into the latter half of this decade and are still able to walk into any retailer that stocks videogames and get new hardware and games for the Xbox 360, let alone have it still being Microsoft's premier console platform. It seems to be at it's height right now as the sales figures attest to, but as the Wii demonstrates, it's not a long path when your sales performance starts to decline drastically. 4 and a half years is an awful long time in the lifespan of a system that is already 5 and a half years old.

Just from being a follower of forums like this one, many people are starting to get that itch to see a new console generation (Although I'm more than happy with the 360 and PS3 myself and hope you end up being right). I don't think they can string this one along for more than 2-3 years without being replaced (And perhaps a tad bit longer for the PS3). My money is on reaching the midpoint of this decade with a new Xbox and Playstation already on the marketplace.