Decision before starting ps1/ps2 collecting.

[hellraiser]

Well I'm getting to the point were I almost caught up to my self were I left off gaming!(I quit early in the ps1 life cycle) Im really lookin forward to the first 2 resident evils and games like mk trilogy and twisted metal.

Knowing full well sooner or later I'm gonna jump on the ps2 games I never played would it be better to get the individual systems or try to find a backwards compatible ps3? Are there benefits or pitfalls either way? Any one use a ps3 as your go to for all three systems?

That I know of theres not to many actual ps3 games I want. Maybe sf4 or marvel vs capcom 3. What I would probably do is download megaman 9 & 10.

Any opinions or info would be appreciated ... Thanx as always!

[Blitzwing256]

the backwards compatable ps3s aren't easy to find at a reasonable price and they will eventually break down (design flaws) its honestly better to just buy a 10$ ps1 and a 20$ ps2 then run the risk of a faulty ps3 that you'll overpay for.

[Emperor Megas]

the backwards compatable ps3s aren't easy to find at a reasonable price and they will eventually break down (design flaws) its honestly better to just buy a 10$ ps1 and a 20$ ps2 then run the risk of a faulty ps3 that you'll overpay for.I have a backward compatible PS3. What the flaw that I should be worried about?

[megasdkirby]

I have a backward compatible PS3. What the flaw that I should be worried about?

That it won't last, mainly to a YLOD, which is more prone on early models than later ones. Yes, all PS3 systems will die sooner or later, but to purchase a console to play PSOne and PSTwo games...I rather purchase a cheap PSOne and PSTwo consoles separately at a fraction of what a PS3 will cost. And it will probably last longer too, so in a way, it's a better investment.

[cynicalhat]

I like the 5501 model ps1. I've had one for 10 years or so and still works like a champ. If you are going to play your backups instead of your originals, it doesn't skip or anything on FMV's.

[DuckTalesNES]

I've got the backwards compatible ps3, got the YLOD, paid to fix it. Its nice to have two less systems hooked up, and not having to keep track of memory cards and controllers.

[Guyra]

I'd suggest just getting a PS2 Slimline, as it'll play both PS1 and PS2 games, and takes just about no space. The PS2 compatible PS3 is usually quite expensive, but it's definitely a collector's item in its own right.

One more thing, there are games the PS3 won't be able to play anyway, both PS1 and PS2. So, buy a PS2 for a handful of bucks instead. ;)

[PapaStu]

I'd suggest just getting a PS2 Slimline, as it'll play both PS1 and PS2 games, and takes just about no space. The PS2 compatible PS3 is usually quite expensive, but it's definitely a collector's item in its own right.

One more thing, there are games the PS3 won't be able to play anyway, both PS1 and PS2. So, buy a PS2 for a handful of bucks instead. ;)

And the PS2 won't play all of the PSOne games either ;)

Seriously, just either get a PSOne and a PSTwo or just a PSTwo and call it a day.

It's not worth going up to a backwards PS3 unless you want PS3 as well and prepared to spend some moar monies on it.

[Scotterpop]

IMHO, you guys are overlooking one HUGE advantage the BC PS3 has over the original consoles: The virtual memory card. I've found this to be a really nice asset, not having to fumble around with finding the right memory card for any given game I want to continue playing. This one feature is the reason why my PS1 and 2 are now pretty much collecting dust on the shelf. And I have yet to find any compatibility issues with any disc I've tried (I know they exist, but I guess I've been lucky so far!).

[Lerxstnj]

On a related note...

The PS2 Guitar Hero games have really long, unbearable load times on my PS2. Do they load any faster on the BC PS3?

[Zing]

I don't recall any major load time on Guitar Hero PS2. Maybe they messed it up in the later games? Maybe your system is failing?

It's strange that the OPs solution to playing PS1 and PS2 games is to buy a PS3. Why not just buy a PS2? The fat PS2 systems are compatible with any game worth playing, except Tomba (I believe it locks up when loading a save).

[hellraiser]

I was looking at it from the "age of the hardware" angle. I figured the backwards compatible ps3 is still "newer" there for more reliable then the ps1 or 2 . Also I wasant aware the ps2 had this ability too.

I am also interested if load times are faster with older games on the ps3. If that's the case that's a good selling point. Cutting down the amount of time waiting to go thru a door in Resident evil would be well worth the price tag.

[Guyra]

@PapaStu: Huh, didn't know that. Learn something new every day. :)

@hellraiser: The older backwards compatible PS3s use hardware for running the PS2 games, but the newer ones use software emulation. And it needs to "calibrate"(so to speak) the PS2 games to fit the PS3 hardware - it's kind of like having a Windows XP game, and then you want to run it in Windows Vista or 7, and you need to use backwards compatability mode, and maybe download an extra patch, etc. So there's a lot more going on than just "newer is more reliable". :)

Regarding the doors in RE, I thought those play through the whole animation anyway, so there won't be much of a difference in waiting time? I'm really not sure about this though, and it's been over a decade since I played a Resident Evil game on the PlayStation. Last time I played RE was the remake on the NGQ, and there it went fluently - then again, that's a completely different(and newer) system.

In any case, I guess it depends on whether the loading time is due to the system managing the data, or if it's because of the disc reading speed(in which case). Anyway, I think it's likely that the PS3 will making loading at least a bit quicker, but I've no personal experience with this.

[Purkeynator]

Plus don't forget that if you are going to be playing on an HD set that PS1 and PS2 games look nice upscaled and clean with an HDMI connection. That's the reason for much of the demand on 60GB PS3's. Its basically an HD PS1 and PS2 with a built in memory card manager with no need for multitaps, extra controllers, and ability to use first party wireless controllers.

[Zing]

I am also interested if load times are faster with older games on the ps3. If that's the case that's a good selling point. Cutting down the amount of time waiting to go thru a door in Resident evil would be well worth the price tag.

Load times on a PS3 or PS2 will be identical to the PS1. The CD speed is locked at 2x rate. There is an option to unlock the speed rate on the PS2, and there may be a similar option on the PS3, however it is incompatible with many games. For whatever reason, many PS1 games were programmed with the load time in mind, and loading the game too fast can cause errors!

[Lerxstnj]

I don't recall any major load time on Guitar Hero PS2. Maybe they messed it up in the later games? Maybe your system is failing?


It might be my memory card. I need to do further testing.

[Aussie2B]

If you're particular about your games playing EXACTLY as they're supposed to, get an original PlayStation. I do some PS1 gaming on PS2, but I try to avoid it. I hate seeing boxes around 2D objects in PS1 games on PS2, like in Castlevania: SotN and Valkyrie Profile.

[Sysop]

It's strange that the OPs solution to playing PS1 and PS2 games is to buy a PS3. Why not just buy a PS2? The fat PS2 systems are compatible with any game worth playing, except Tomba (I believe it locks up when loading a save).
Mortal Kombat Trilogy also freezes up at certain points such as Tournament Mode and other areas which I can't remember.

[Fontaine Le Funk]

I hate seeing boxes around 2D objects in PS1 games on PS2, like in Castlevania: SotN and Valkyrie Profile.

?? There are really obvious boxes on some PS1 sprites? I'm foredoomed to boxed wargs...

[Aussie2B]

Depends on what's "really obvious" to you. They're really obvious to me. :P I can imagine some other gamers may not notice and/or care very much.

[Guyra]

PS2s and PS1s really are cheap as hell, anyway. Personally, I got one of my two PS1s for about $8 - at GameStop. In Norway, which is a rather expensive country. :P And my PS2 Slimline I bought for about $45 from a friend, but that included about a dousin complete games, and stuff.

Also, seeing as it is a PS1 and PS2 collection, wouldn't it make sense to have the original consoles as part of the collection? :)

[Zing]

I never noticed any "boxes" on my PS1 games played via PS2. I played this on both a 50" rear projection and 32" CRT. However, that type of graphical error can easily occur if you use the "smoothing" option on the PS2.

[hellraiser]

Can any one chime in if the backwards compatible ps3's have the "smoothing" and "faster then 2x" options?

[Duke.Togo]

The BC PS3 options for PS1/2 games are:

PS/PS2 Upscaler: Off, Normal, or Full Screen
PS/PS2 Smoothing: On/Off

The other thing no one has mentioned that is great reason to use a PS3 is if you have a PSP you can play all your PS1 games on it via Remote Play. Excellent way to keep playing your game when the TV is tied up.

[Zing]

The PS3 manual: http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/gamesettings.html#2443

There is a texture smoothing option, but no fast-loading option. I'm not sure if the texture smoothing is applied in the same fashion as the setting on the PS2, or if it may exhibit the same graphical glitches.

[Haoie]

Congrats! You're just like me from about 2 years ago, when I gave up PS1 collecting [selling most of them off] and started PS2. Haven't looked back since.

Maybe I'll do PS3 when its lifespan ends too.

[RPG_Fanatic]

That it won't last, mainly to a YLOD, which is more prone on early models than later ones. Yes, all PS3 systems will die sooner or later.

My launch PS3 is still going strong and I never had a problem with it.

[megasdkirby]

My launch PS3 is still going strong and I never had a problem with it.

I will reiterate what I said before:



That it won't last, mainly to a YLOD, which is more prone on early models than later ones. Yes, all PS3 systems will die sooner or later, but to purchase a console to play PSOne and PSTwo games...I rather purchase a cheap PSOne and PSTwo consoles separately at a fraction of what a PS3 will cost. And it will probably last longer too, so in a way, it's a better investment.

It's only a matter of time.

[Duke.Togo]

The texture smoothing on PS3 applies to both PS1 and PS2 games. It reminds me of the same thing the PS1 did. The effect generally looks good, so I leave this enabled on mine. I have yet to run into any major graphical glitches on PS1/PS2 games, but I certainly haven't done any serious testing of all my games.

It is correct that there is no option to speed loading times on PS1/PS2 games. I'm sure to maintain maximum compatibility.

[hellraiser]

Thanks guys!!! I think I'm going to go on a hunt for a cheap older ps3. I know there's no substitute for original hardware but I'm sure it will be cool enough for me.

What I didn't know was there seems to be a bit of a demand for these backwards compatible units so i hope to grab one on the sly off craigslist or a shop that don't care.