Complete Sega Collection

[Vectorman0]

You might be right on that, in fact I think you are, but regardless, there is never and has never been a release that has the title "Sega Swirl" on the side like the checklist seemed to indicate. Back when it came out, on some forum that I was following at that time, there was a big debate over it and people even asked Sega about it, but no one ever got back to them on it.

It kind of makes me wonder if Sega Swirl was originally intended to be a Chu Chu Rocket style release, and Sega realized that it really wasn't good enough to be that.



Honestly, perhaps because they are Web browsers that I've never used, I have never looked at them carefully enough to see any differences in them.

<~ Pulls out browsers.

Yup. One of each. My Web Browser 2.0 has both AT&T and SegaNet branding. Oh, and look at that -- "Includes Full Version of Sega Swirl Game." So that answers that.

<~ Walks over to GOAT Store stuff.

Well, what do you know. I have another variation here, and it's missing the SegaNet stuff. It is also in a different spot (it looks worse) and must be rarer, as I had one copy of it and like 10 of the other. Hunh. Thanks! You just added a "game" to my collection ;)



You're right. Actually, the thing that I have found is the difference on that particular game is the flaps that hold the game in it -- one of them has it, and the other does not. For whatever reason, although I have both of those (may even have three, those aren't as handy to get to), I do not count it as a variation on my personal checklist.

Thanks for the reply, and I'm glad I could help add another variant to your collection.

[Buyatari]

It's a bit funny what people deem necessary for a complete collection. ROM variants don't usually count, there were multiple versions of Revenge of Shinobi yet you only need one for a complete collection. Yet for the NES you need both Punch-Out!! and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! even though it's the same game with a slight alteration, the same goes with Stadium Events and World Class Track Meet. It's cool to own rare games like Stadium Events or competition carts, but I don't really consider those needed to have a complete set.

Imagine writting a price guide for the system. How many game variations differ in price so much so that a seperate entry in a price guide would be required?

If there are variations but the price is the same and if most people could care less which one they recieve then yeah it doesn't matter. If I sold a Mike Tyson Punchout at Christmas time for $25 with a stock photo and then sent Punchout instead no one should be shocked if I had a problem from the buyer. However, using your Shinobi example it would most likely not be a problem no matter which one you sent.

[Gameguy]

Imagine writting a price guide for the system. How many game variations differ in price so much so that a seperate entry in a price guide would be required?

If there are variations but the price is the same and if most people could care less which one they recieve then yeah it doesn't matter. If I sold a Mike Tyson Punchout at Christmas time for $25 with a stock photo and then sent Punchout instead no one should be shocked if I had a problem from the buyer. However, using your Shinobi example it would most likely not be a problem no matter which one you sent.
A lot of people aren't even aware that there are variations with some games, for those that do they might be willing to pay more to get them and would have problems if you sent the wrong version. I have a complete copy of Revenge of Shinobi but I still want to get the original version. I'm pretty sure there's someone on the forum looking for a 1.0 version of Tetris for the Gameboy as it has different music, I think they're offering a good amount for it too.

What about original releases or greatest hits? Or NES collectors looking for 3-screw/5-screw variants? There can be a price difference between them, and if you mail the wrong version from what you described you'll also get complaints. Most people don't even care about screw variants though. Either way you'll only need one copy to say you have a "complete" collection.

People really are just going by what other collectors said they need to get for a complete collection, if they're told that a game is needed and that it's valuable it's considered to be required and that it's worth big bucks. Eventually things can change, if more people become aware of the variants they'll probably differ in price too just like original and greatest hits copies. Maybe people will eventually start to consider Stadium Events as the variant it really is, still valuable but not needed for a complete collection.

[chrisbid]

will segainsanity include sega published games for atari systems, colecovision, and the rare congo bongo for the intellivision? how about sega published pc games?

[Buyatari]

A lot of people aren't even aware that there are variations with some games, for those that do they might be willing to pay more to get them and would have problems if you sent the wrong version. I have a complete copy of Revenge of Shinobi but I still want to get the original version. I'm pretty sure there's someone on the forum looking for a 1.0 version of Tetris for the Gameboy as it has different music, I think they're offering a good amount for it too.

What about original releases or greatest hits? Or NES collectors looking for 3-screw/5-screw variants? There can be a price difference between them, and if you mail the wrong version from what you described you'll also get complaints. Most people don't even care about screw variants though. Either way you'll only need one copy to say you have a "complete" collection.

People really are just going by what other collectors said they need to get for a complete collection, if they're told that a game is needed and that it's valuable it's considered to be required and that it's worth big bucks. Eventually things can change, if more people become aware of the variants they'll probably differ in price too just like original and greatest hits copies. Maybe people will eventually start to consider Stadium Events as the variant it really is, still valuable but not needed for a complete collection.

I'd argue that they are not aware because they just do not care that much.

Still I agree about Tetris. Most are not aware since gameboy is just now being seriously tracked down and collected. It will be interesting to see what happens and if this cart will retain this value and if gameboy collectors will add this to the list of games.

Greatest hits/Platnium hits etc should count as seperate entries. For NES the rereleased Zelda and Metroid carts do count as seperate entires to most. Not everyone cares about the misprint/correct print black label versions of FFVII but there is clearly a difference between either one of those and the greatest hits version. Different art on the discs,different covers and a difference in price beyond what one might call a fluke.

As for 3 screw/5 screw if I used a stock photo a buyer looking for one would be sure to ask because he himself would know he is in the minority. Except for the rarest and most valuable examples MM1 etc there are many variations that most will never care about (3-screw/5-screw,blue cart/black cart,rev a/non rev a,hang tab/non hang tab) These are the same rom, same title, same basic box design by the same company with slight text changes to the box or manual. I doubt these will count as seperate entries as it is too much work to find and look for these and in most cases the price remains the same.

[Gameguy]

I'd argue that they are not aware because they just do not care that much.
I just found it funny about what makes people care about some things and not care about others. Anyone can collect what they want, I'm just amazed when people list what is needed for an "official" complete collection and take it so seriously. Why do some things matter to them and other things not? What standards are they going by when deciding what makes a game a variant and what is needed for a complete set? Alternate gameplay, enemies or music don't matter, but an altered title screen does? Is it just based on how people feel at the time?

What about Atlantis II for the Atari 2600, it's listed as another game but it's basically just a variant. There's no packaging or label differences, the only way to tell is by how it plays differently compared to the original version. That and a cheap "Atlantis II" sticker was stuck onto regular boxes but not the carts, it was really just added so they wouldn't confuse these with the previous version when mailing them out. So in that case altered gameplay with a slight packaging alteration makes it count as another game, just like an added UPC sticker makes Sonic for the SMS count as a US release when there's no packaging, label, or gameplay differences at all. So does a difference in the game itself matter at all or is it just pure packaging variations that matter? If so, why does Mah-Jong/Mak-Jong for the SMS count as the same game when the packaging and labels have a different title?

As for Greatest Hits type of releases, even Revenge of Shinobi later got one as a "Sega Classic" version. It seems most people would avoid it just like any other Greatest Hits releases, though they don't pay attention to the earlier game variants. For Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! compared to Punch-Out!!, I believe on the box for Punch-Out!! it mentions that the game was previously released as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! which basically makes it a re-release like the Classic Series Zelda or Metroid(even Punch-Out!! received a later Classic Series re-release as it was really popular).

Also I really think that the 1.0 version of Tetris is only available as a Japanese version, I've never actually seen anyone show a NA copy while claiming it to be a 1.0 version. It was available in Japan months before it was released in NA so it's easy to see how it could have been altered before the NA version got made. I'd like to be proved wrong, but I just think the ROM floating around is of an early Japanese copy. It's still a neat variant as most Japanese copies aren't like the 1.0 version, it's still rare.

[Brianvgplayer]

just like an added UPC sticker makes Sonic for the SMS count as a US release when there's no packaging, label, or gameplay differences at all.

I'm surprised there was a debate on this at the Sega8bit forums. It was officially released in the US and sold in stores. How does the exact same packaging make the game an import when it was brought to the US by SEGA? While most games have slightly different packaging, many other games also have the exact same data on cart as the US version. I think the price for the US Sonic is insane and I got the EU one instead, though.

I usually don't get multiple versions of the same game unless one of the versions has some major gameplay differences, but I often double dip on games when I find bundles at yard sales.

[Gameguy]

It was officially released in the US and sold in stores.
Back when the Virtual Boy was still sold, Electronics Boutique imported Japanese games and sold them in stores to increase the available library of the console(they had trouble selling consoles with so few games available for it). Should these games be considered North American copies now since they were widely sold at retail in North America?

It's also known that European copies of SMS games were sold in Canada. Should these still be considered European copies?

[Brianvgplayer]

Back when the Virtual Boy was still sold, Electronics Boutique imported Japanese games and sold them in stores to increase the available library of the console(they had trouble selling consoles with so few games available for it). Should these games be considered North American copies now since they were widely sold at retail in North America?

It's also known that European copies of SMS games were sold in Canada. Should these still be considered European copies?

I mentioned that the reason Sonic isn't an import is becuase SEGA brought it over themselves. EB imported Saturn games, as well, and I don't consider those or the VB games US releases because EB imported them. As for the Canadian games, I heard SEGA was responsible for sending them over. I'm going by what I read at multiple sites like SMSpower and sega8bit, and what I saw at EB. I'm not some expert on this, but I try to look up information before posting, and I don't see how my posts vaildate a patronizing reply.

[Gameguy]

You asked;

How does the exact same packaging make the game an import when it was brought to the US by SEGA?
I just provided examples in relation to your question. When European games were brought to Canada, they're considered European. When a European game is brought to the US, it's considered a US release. Sonic didn't just have the same box art that was reprinted for US copies, it was literally already existing European copies that were just imported into the US.

Overall I'm just posting examples to get people thinking of alternate views to the same situation. Some of the reasons why games are classified the way they are just make no sense to me, it seems like there's a lot of double standards with the way games are classified. You can have any opinion you want for any reason you want, I just wrote the views I had based on my own personal opinion. That's usually how discussions work, you can explain your opinions and reasoning behind them and others can reply back with their own opinions and reasoning behind them. Thinking about other peoples reasoning helps expand upon or change ones own reasoning. At least that's what happens with me when I read and participate in these threads.

EDIT: I see you changed your reply a bit from the one I saw when I wrote this, I think my reply still fits enough to leave it.

[Brianvgplayer]

You asked;

I just provided examples in relation to your question. When European games were brought to Canada, they're considered European. When a European game is brought to the US, it's considered a US release. Sonic didn't just have the same box art that was reprinted for US copies, it was literally already existing European copies that were just imported into the US.

Overall I'm just posting examples to get people thinking of alternate views to the same situation. Some of the reasons why games are classified the way they are just make no sense to me, it seems like there's a lot of double standards with the way games are classified. You can have any opinion you want for any reason you want, I just wrote the views I had based on my own personal opinion. That's usually how discussions work, you can explain your opinions and reasoning behind them and others can reply back with their own opinions and reasoning behind them. Thinking about other peoples reasoning helps expand upon or change ones own reasoning. At least that's what happens with me when I read and participate in these threads.

EDIT: I see you changed your reply a bit from the one I saw when I wrote this, I think my reply still fits enough to leave it.

ok cool. I see where you are coming from. I miss seeing imports at EB. I order most of mine online. I still need to get Lucky Dime Caper for SMS.