Game collectors beware!, HD Remakes [Archive]

porlino87

06-27-2011, 05:25 PM

wingzrow

06-27-2011, 05:31 PM

Well ile be keeping my greatest hits of silent hill 2 since that had another story bonus, as for zone of the enders I'm dumping them online to get the remakes since they run poorly on emulators. Ile keep my metal gears since they made no mention if they were remakes of substance and subsistence. Shadow of the colossus is a safe bet though as there's almost no reason not to get rid of it unless you have a european special edition or something.

Bojay1997

06-27-2011, 06:38 PM

I consider myself a "functional collector" of video games. I don't keep games in their plastic wrapping because I like to play them while I admire them in my collection.

That being said, I get a funny feeling in my stomach when I hear about HD Remakes. Don't get me wrong, I like them and I can't wait to play them, but it makes me feel like some of my games won't have as much "collector's" value (such as my mint condition Zone of Enders:2nd runner).

HD remake Examples:

Zone of Enders
Ico & Shadow of Colossus
Metal Gear Series (just announced)
Sly games
Splinter Cell
God of War Collection
Beyond good & evil (download only)
etc......

Also, keep in mind that exclusive games like Metal Gear Solid and Zone of Enders will also be available for XBOX 360 in their HD form...

Thoughts or comments?

What exactly is "collector's value"? Do you mean resale value? If so, nothing you listed there is likely to maintain any sort of value long term as there were millions of copies pressed and lots of people holding on to their copies in mint or sealed shape. If you're collecting in hopes of buying a house or even a car with the proceeds someday, you're going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that the number of "rare" and "valuable" games in the 32bit or later generation is very, very tiny. Unless you bought the games for well below MSRP, you will never make a profit on any of those games, but they are fun to play, so that's worth something I suppose.

porlino87

06-27-2011, 06:59 PM

What exactly is "collector's value"? Do you mean resale value? If so, nothing you listed there is likely to maintain any sort of value long term as there were millions of copies pressed and lots of people holding on to their copies in mint or sealed shape. If you're collecting in hopes of buying a house or even a car with the proceeds someday, you're going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that the number of "rare" and "valuable" games in the 32bit or later generation is very, very tiny. Unless you bought the games for well below MSRP, you will never make a profit on any of those games, but they are fun to play, so that's worth something I suppose.

I'm not collecting these games for resale value, just personal value. What I mean by "collector's value" is, the value I personally put on the game for my own sake. A value that will keep me from trading a game in.

Bojay1997

06-27-2011, 07:22 PM

I'm not collecting these games for resale value, just personal value. What I mean by "collector's value" is, the value I personally put on the game for my own sake. A value that will keep me from trading a game in.

Then I guess I don't get your point at all. It seems like you'll have to decide on your own what to keep and what not to once you play the HD remakes. Why would it matter what anyone else thinks?

kupomogli

06-27-2011, 07:26 PM

While none of the games are too expensive I think they'll mostly hold their value. The original titles won't play on a PS3 aside from having BC as well as original collectors purposes.

It's like any game that's placed in a collection and still holds its value. Mega Man and Mega Man X games still hold their value even though in their respective collections. Same with a few of the Genesis games on either Sega Genesis Collection, Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection, or the various PC collections. Final Fantasy 4 holds its value even though it's been released an excessive amount of times and has another console release that's better than the original release at an extremely budget price.

Rickstilwell1

06-27-2011, 07:47 PM

The main reason is that there are many people who prefer to play games in their original forms rather than remakes. I like to experience the evolution of a series both graphically and gameplay wise and remakes take that away. I save remakes for replays of the same games when desired.

heybtbm

06-27-2011, 08:14 PM

This topic makes absolutely no sense. What exactly about HD remakes are collectors supposed to beware of?

Kitsune Sniper

06-27-2011, 08:15 PM

Lower resell values!

BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA

Smashed Brother

06-27-2011, 09:06 PM

I'm not collecting these games for resale value, just personal value. What I mean by "collector's value" is, the value I personally put on the game for my own sake. A value that will keep me from trading a game in.

This makes no sense.

If a game really means something to you and is very personal, you're going to hold onto your copy regardless. I have sold off almost every game in my collection, but I have kept a few that really have meant something to me over the years. Even ones who have technically superior rereleases (SOTN, Rez, etc). Some of these games that I hold on to are valuable, but I'll never get rid of them because of the way that have affected me when I initially played them.

If you are talking about 'personal value' like you claim, then you will hold onto the physical copies of the titles that are rereleased in HD, regardless of the value, because that physical copy of the game in your collection is the one that you have played through and it brought about a certain type of feeling. I don't believe that a virtual download of the same game, enhanced or not, can bring about that evoke that feeling.

If you're talking about "collector's value", then I hope that the physical prices drop on your ass.

Jisho23

06-27-2011, 09:18 PM

If you care exclusively about resale values than you shouldn't be collecting.

Emuaust

06-27-2011, 10:39 PM

I consider myself a "functional collector" of video games. I don't keep games in their plastic wrapping because I like to play them while I admire them in my collection.

That being said, I get a funny feeling in my stomach when I hear about HD Remakes. Don't get me wrong, I like them and I can't wait to play them, but it makes me feel like some of my games won't have as much "collector's" value (such as my mint condition Zone of Enders:2nd runner).

HD remake Examples:

Zone of Enders
Ico & Shadow of Colossus
Metal Gear Series (just announced)
Sly games
Splinter Cell
God of War Collection
Beyond good & evil (download only)
etc......

Also, keep in mind that exclusive games like Metal Gear Solid and Zone of Enders will also be available for XBOX 360 in their HD form...

Thoughts or comments?

My thoughts? Games are meant for playing not collecting, and if HD remakes mean there are more copies of our favorite games out there for more people to buy, potentially growing the customer base to guarantee continuation of said series then Im more then all for it.

Anyone who is worried about "resale value" is in the hobby for the wrong reasons and needs to go away and find something else to do.

Kitsune Sniper

06-28-2011, 12:10 AM

soloman

06-28-2011, 01:25 AM

Not that I'm accusing anyone of it but people who want to deny other peoples pleasure for the sake of their own entitlement makes me mad. If you put value on your hobby solely based on how inclusive it is you need to get a life.

Icarus Moonsight

06-28-2011, 01:45 AM

I consider myself a "functional collector"... Thoughts or comments?

You mean dysfunctional, right?

Oobgarm

06-28-2011, 06:38 AM

Lower resell values!

BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA

Strong POTY candidate.

Sysop

06-28-2011, 07:51 AM

I can't wait to get my hands on these fabled 'HD Remakes'. They sound like a sound investment to me.

calistarwind

06-28-2011, 11:16 AM

I collect games for the same reason some people collect books. While there are a few books around that have substaintial value, the common person will almost never own any of those titles. The reason most people collect anything is the ability to get some personal enjoyment from the item or the feeling of nostalgia. Having a remake and allowing others (especially the newer generation of video game players) who did not have access to these games growing up is fantastic. And for someone like me I get to see an old game given new life to enjoy again is a wonderful feeling. I can't wait to play Silent Hill in HD.

LiquidPolicenaut

06-28-2011, 11:23 AM

The only concern I have regarding HD remakes is whether some things will get changed for no good reason.

See: Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes. :P

That Splinter Cell collection is also missing the multiplayer parts of the games.

I think, so far, the ones announced only have minor upgrades besides the upped resolution (touched-up 2d art, etc.) so things are looking good...so far. None of these are getting the Twin Snakes full remake treatment...thank god ;)

eskobar

06-28-2011, 11:42 AM

Au contraire, Baby ..... because in the case of Silent Hill HD Remasters, the voice acting will be ALL NEW ... increasing the "collector's value" of the originals.

substantial_snake

06-28-2011, 01:48 PM

I'm looking forward to this slew of HD remakes.

In the case of ZOE and MGS I sold most of those titles long ago so its a good opportunity to pick them up as new without playing ridiculous prices and having them look decent on my HDTV. I just barely touched Ico and haven't played any of the Splinter Cell or Sly Cooper games so its a good way to pick up several games for a new price on one disc.

If feel like these Collections might somehow diminish the value of your personal collection then your not collecting for the right reasons. :/

LiquidPolicenaut

06-28-2011, 02:29 PM

Au contraire, Baby ..... because in the case of Silent Hill HD Remasters, the voice acting will be ALL NEW ... increasing the "collector's value" of the originals.

Too true, too true. I forgot that they did, in fact, announce new voice acting in the Silent Hill HD Remakes. My bad :)

Gameguy

06-28-2011, 03:46 PM

Au contraire, Baby ..... because in the case of Silent Hill HD Remasters, the voice acting will be ALL NEW ... increasing the "collector's value" of the originals.
It depends on how good the new dub is. If it's anything like anime DVDs, if something gets rereleased with a new dub that's a better translation and sounds better(Castle of Cagliostro), nobody wants the earlier release. If the older dub is better(like with My Neighbor Totoro), people will still want the earlier release.

But with games, people collect for specific systems and the value of a game depends on the rarity of the game for a specific system. Bonk's Adventure is pretty expensive for the NES, but it's pretty common and cheap on the Turbografx. People still want the NES version and are willing to pay more for it. The only games that would drop are the ones that were overpriced to begin with, like Final Fantasy VII. It was a greatest hits game yet used to sell for over $60, even now it still sells for $20-$30 which is good for a common game.

Kitsune Sniper

06-28-2011, 04:01 PM

Too true, too true. I forgot that they did, in fact, announce new voice acting in the Silent Hill HD Remakes. My bad :)

WHAT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Silent Hill 2 and 3 already had awesome voice acting :(

heybtbm

06-28-2011, 04:13 PM

WHAT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Silent Hill 2 and 3 already had awesome voice acting :(

Konami has already shown they have no respect for classic voice tracks. Look at SOTN...probably THE most memorable dialog in the history of gaming, and they erased it from history in the last SOTN PSP release. Blasphemy!

porlino87

06-28-2011, 06:20 PM

OK let me please explain some things to ease your confusion about this thread.

I do not collect games for resale value. I believe games are to be played.

What I don't like about the HD remakes is that I will spend another $30, and trade/sell my original copy. This means that my original copy lost value to me, because I decided to sell it. Yes, Yes, I know you will say " just don't buy it then". Well, how could I pass a beautified version of a game that I love?

I do, in fact, like the HD remakes so far and will buy the ones that are good.

P.S - you can't tell anybody that they are collecting for wrong reasons. I think a lot of people here will agree with that.

substantial_snake

06-28-2011, 06:40 PM

This confuses me even more..so your complaining that the HD releases exist because they "force" you to buy another copy, thereby personally devaluing the copy you already own?

Although you do have options here such as not trading your original-attached personal value copy in and just buying the HD remake you pretty much dismiss that so again what is your point? HD remakes are bad because you personally don't want them to exist so your original copy is the only version of the game in existence? If its not about the money then how does the HD version devalue your personal original copy?

boatofcar

06-29-2011, 02:13 PM

This means that my original copy lost value to me, because I decided to sell it.

That's your fault. No one's forcing you to sell the game once you buy the HD version. Your argument is devoid of logic.

Oobgarm

06-29-2011, 02:51 PM

What I don't like about the HD remakes is that I will spend another $30, and trade/sell my original copy. This means that my original copy lost value to me, because I decided to sell it. Yes, Yes, I know you will say " just don't buy it then". Well, how could I pass a beautified version of a game that I love?

X_x

At no point are you forced to sell what you have to buy a new version. If you make the decision to do so, that's your deal and you have no reason to complain about it. No one's holding a gun to your head, etc.

Why can you not keep it or just trade it in towards a new one and be content? I've hung onto my originals and they've not lost any value to me.

Gameguy

06-29-2011, 06:01 PM

Swamperon

06-30-2011, 06:56 AM

You can collect whatever for whatever reason you want. However whether it's wise to collect for a certain reason i.e. financial, is another matter.

As others have said, no one forces you to sell your original copy. In fact I think most collectors would keep the original and enjoy both. Would explain why I own 4 versions of the original Sonic the Hedgehog, 3 of Orcarina of Time, 2 of Chrono Trigger etc

It's (generally) good that games are being remade and rereleased. One day the originals and their consoles will fail to work. This way they will be available for further years.

The 1 2 P

07-01-2011, 09:26 PM

I don't mind HD remakes at all, I just find it a little strange that they are mostly of last gen games.

Kellhus

07-01-2011, 09:45 PM

No game that's popular enough to get an HD remake will ever have high collector/resale value. Nothing to worry about.

duffmanth

07-01-2011, 11:14 PM

I kind of feel like this to. It makes you feel like your current versions of these seem a little less valuable, but I'm excited to see the HD versions of some of these games at the same time.

kupomogli

07-01-2011, 11:18 PM

I don't mind HD remakes at all, I just find it a little strange that they are mostly of last gen games.

Aside from PSP, Wii, and DS, everything this gen would already be in HD. Wii and DS aren't going to get any HD remakes anytime soon, if any at all(DS.)

duffmanth

07-03-2011, 10:44 AM

I'll be getting the Metal Gear remakes day one, but the others I'll wait til they're $20 or less. I would love to see some Syphon Filter and Jak and Daxter HD remakes.

The 1 2 P

07-04-2011, 01:54 AM

I would love to see some Syphon Filter HD remakes.

I think me and you are the ONLY ones in the world who want those. I waited in vain for Sony to make a PS3 version of Syphon Filter(my favorite Sony exclusive series) so that I finally had a reason to get a PS3. But I got tired of waiting so I just picked up a cheap PS3 earlier this year anyway.

There was buzz before E3 that one of their announcements was going to be a new Syphon Filter but alas it never happened. The only Syphon Filter news as of late is that the Psp versions have been bundled with two other games to form new two-packs that retail for $14.99(I saw this is Gamestop already about a week ago).

Atleast the Psp games got ported to the PS2 but come on Sony, give us a new damn game. This is one of your best series and you are letting it waste away.

AceAerosmith

07-04-2011, 07:34 AM

As a whole, "collecting" of anything is a waste. Games serve a purpose as entertainment but they have no real value after a certain point other than their rarity. You can say a game is very valuable and some people have been fooled into believing they are valuable, but if you have no desire to play it, then it's junk. Keeping a game around because it fills in a collection, to me, is a waste of effort and space as well as money. Even if you only paid $2 for NBA Live '97 because it got you one game closer to a full set, that's $2 wasted that could've been spent on a game you'd enjoy. Are you really going to spend time to play a 14 year-old sports game?

I have a large collection of games, but have no intent of permanently holding on to them. In fact, I've been thinning the herd lately. Very few games have hit me with such impact that I've decided to keep them. I keep a game based on whether I can see myself taking the time to play through it again. If I see myself wanting to play through it again, then it's valuable to me.

As for the whole issue of buying new HD games, I think it's kind of a waste as well. If you don't already own them, then it's a hell of a bargain if you get 3 games on one disc. Other than that, I look at it as game companies wringing another few nickels out of the consumer. Still I have no desire to replace my singles with a compilation. Buying a game you already own is throwing money away. Especially from my standpoint that once it's beaten, it's gone.