The 8-Bit Classic Guide... What System's Game Values Are MOST Outdated Today?

[digitalpress]

As you may know, the "old" DP Classic guide, which features the earliest systems and games up to the Nintendo Entertainment System, is on schedule for a new edition later this year.

While we've all dug in to modify the existing entries, prices are something that often gets neglected, and in many cases they're very very dusty at the moment. And while there has been a running thread (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55283) on this, I'm sure many of you have hit the online guide (http://guide.digitpress.com:8080/DP/cmf/search.cmf) at some time recently only to be shocked by an outdated, unrealistic (usually way too low) value.

This is the time to speak up. Rest assured that all prices for all games and systems right up to the NES will be updated for the book, but using the current online guide (http://guide.digitpress.com:8080/DP/cmf/search.cmf), what's the most hurting area in this regard?

[Superman]

Stadium Events and Nintendo World Championship for the NES are two that come to mind, right off the bat.

Of course, most games that fit that profile (limited production and high demand) are in the same boat.

[digitalpress]

Stadium Events and Nintendo World Championship for the NES are two that come to mind, right off the bat.

Of course, most games that fit that profile (limited production and high demand) are in the same boat.

You do know that the guide "caps out" at $999, yes? NWC has been listed that way for years so I'm not sure where it's off in your mind (unless you didn't know that).

Thanks for the feedback!

[Superman]

You do know that the guide "caps out" at $999, yes? NWC has been listed that way for years so I'm not sure where it's off in your mind (unless you didn't know that).

Thanks for the feedback!

I did know about the dollar amount cap. I was going to mention it, but I just took it as a known reason for the pricing issue and, therefore, didn't mention it.

Alright, I'm off to look for more game prices that need correcting!

[digitalpress]

Feedback is appreciated. We're all caught up with the "prices off" thread in the Online Guide forum and now just working on our sections methodically. I'd still prefer to hit the things that make people feel the prices are outdated on FIRST.

[Trebuken]

SegaCD.

[Baloo]

Game Boy is horribly off. Shantae, amongst others, is ranked an R3 and $15. Mega Man V is $15. Mr. Do is $15. Etc.

[Gameguy]

SegaCD.


Game Boy is horribly off. Shantae, amongst others, is ranked an R3 and $15. Mega Man V is $15. Mr. Do is $15. Etc.
This thread is for the Classic Guide, it only goes up to the NES system. I was going to mention the Gameboy stuff myself but I read the thread again more closely and realized it was about even older stuff.

And Shantae is listed at $5, not $15. :p

[tom]

Atari VCS
As you know I autioned off my 300 carts VCS collection in 2004 due to personal reasons.
Since two years now I have started to re-collect VCS (cib), and games which used to be common, eg Star Wars the Arcade Game, Pressure Cooker, Frogger II Threeedeep
and many more especially Activision titles have risen in value. So most VCS titles have increased in value, I'd say.

Ditto with A8 cartridges, but I don't keep track on this constantly.

[digitalpress]

So check it, I just cross-referenced the previous online guide with the store's price list (they're not meant to be the same values, retail prices are still a bit higher than the guide) and updated the entire Sega CD section in about 15 minutes. Loving the new editor tools. There won't be much "outdated" for very long.

2600 stuff is being worked on offline. After the book is out we'll get the online guide to reflect the massive changes.

[digitalpress]

And since it was asked while I wasn't supposed to be listening, the reason why I'm asking even though I can do these lightning-fast now is because:

a) I want to fix the "most broken" sections first.
b) I don't want to trample on other active editors' sections but can notify post-classic-guide guys.
c) Not every section will go as lightning fast as Sega CD. I'm using my store price lists and there are still things we haven't seen or haven't seen enough to draw a clear price on.

[Ryaan1234]

Personally I think NES is the section that is in need of the most attention. There's a lot of outdated prices. For instance, it shows Panic Restaurant as being worth $20 loose, compared to it's current $100+ value loose (and wow a complete copy just brought $300!). Some other uncommon/rare titles with off prices are Zombie Nation, Baby Boomer, Little Samson, and Wacky Races.

Maybe it goes without saying because NES collecting has really taken off as of late, but I thought I'd mention this.

[digitalpress]

Personally I think NES is the section that is in need of the most attention. There's a lot of outdated prices. For instance, it shows Panic Restaurant as being worth $20 loose, compared to it's current $100+ value loose (and wow a complete copy just brought $300!). Some other uncommon/rare titles with off prices are Zombie Nation, Baby Boomer, Little Samson, and Wacky Races.

Maybe it goes without saying because NES collecting has really taken off as of late, but I thought I'd mention this.

That's what I'm talking about. Updated your entries and NES is a few hour project in the works (not at this exact moment but easy enough to get caught up in the next week).

PS while wondering why Panic Restaurant became so sought-after I grabbed my collection copy and discovered that it is factory-sealed. So anyone who has a complete copy in good condition and wants to give me lots of money to take a sealed one off my hands, please do, or spread the word.

[Bojay1997]

All of the rarities and values of the 1989 and 1990 Atari 2600 red box releases need to be re-examined in light of the Venezuelan find and Ebay sales and what seems to have been an earlier find before the Venezuelan stuff came to light. You would be very hard pressed to get $50 for a loose Motorodeo or Ikari Warriors considering that you can buy sealed copies of both for $20 each easily.

[Casati]

Metal Storm is around $20 loose now, probably because it's the most frequently mentioned NES title in "underrated" and "hidden gem" threads.

Hillsfar is around $25 and Faria $30 loose.

[cracked8ball]

Bucky O'Hare is another NES game that has risen in value the past few years. It's around $15-20 loose now.

Gun-Nac loose is also in the $20 range nowadays

[Casati]

Ebay BINs for CIB+map Koei titles has increased from around $45 last year to currently $100+. I don't think many of those BINs actually sell though. Auction prices are $40-60.

[portnoyd]

PS while wondering why Panic Restaurant became so sought-after I grabbed my collection copy and discovered that it is factory-sealed. So anyone who has a complete copy in good condition and wants to give me lots of money to take a sealed one off my hands, please do, or spread the word.

Panic Restaurant is by product of the late release Taito effect, started by Flintstones 2 and now it's just spreading to every other late release Taito game (Little Samson, Panic Restaurant, Jetsons, Bubble Bobble 2, Power Blade 2 in particular). In some cases, value was average or flat, others, it was already high (BB2).

[Wookie]

VIC-20 valuations were way too high in the last printed guide. I was going to check if that's still true but for some reason the online rarity guide isn't available.

[Baloo]

Ebay BINs for CIB+map Koei titles has increased from around $45 last year to currently $100+. I don't think many of those BINs actually sell though. Auction prices are $40-60.

The best estimation of value is going by completed listings on eBay.

[Mayhem]

VIC-20 valuations were way too high in the last printed guide. I was going to check if that's still true but for some reason the online rarity guide isn't available.
When the last guide was printed, Ward was still in charge. Now that I've taken over, a lot of the rarities and prices have been reassessed, so hopefully they may be more towards your opinion. I agree, some of them were way too high. A lot more games have also come out of the woodwork since too...

[Wookie]

When the last guide was printed, Ward was still in charge. Now that I've taken over, a lot of the rarities and prices have been reassessed, so hopefully they may be more towards your opinion. I agree, some of them were way too high. A lot more games have also come out of the woodwork since too...

Yes, those do look better. I guess Bomber World can be moved off the Rumor Mill list, thanks to Ian.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, it has been, on my copy at least, I need to go through the online guides and update them manually... almost got through the C64 list...

[Shingetter]

Atari XE "Non-Cartridge Items" only lists a light gun, there are no systems or add-ons listed at all. Making it hard to assess accurate values or rarity.
There isn't a "Non-Cartridge Items" listing for the InteractiveVision system.
Its newer than NES but there is no Hyperscan at all in the list.

[tom]

Of course in the guide all items valued at cib, right?

[mrmark0673]

As said by many, the NES price guide could use a complete overhaul. Just a few that stand out from a quick skim:

Rescue Rangers 2: Guide: $25 Reality: $60+
Ducktales 2: Guide: $15 Reality: $50+
Challenge of the Dragon: Guide: $8 Reality: $40+
Snow Brothers: Guide: $30 Reality: $60
Fire N Ice: Guide: $25 Reality: $50ish
Caltron 6 in 1: Guide: $300 Reality: Less than $300 Factory Sealed
Menace Beach: Guide: $35 Reality: Easily $50+
Cowboy Kid: Guide: $10 Reality: $30+

Caltron is the one that jumps out the most to me, the price bottomed out after a bunch showed up from Mexico. Very excited for the updates, can't wait to see the finished product!

[Trebuken]

Since you updated the Sega CD even though it is post-NES I thought I'd comment again. I have been working toward a complete collection lately and have a good idea on the prices - at least as far as ebay (can't find the last dozen games I need anywhere else).

I do not recall, but I believe the Sega CD games were priced as if the case and manual were included (my printed guide is in storgae). Also you mentioned that the games that appear less often are tougher to judge the prices of....so here's what I have noticed on those.

Championship Soccer '94 -- $100
ESPN NBA Hangtime - $60
Space Adventure - $85
Lawnmower Man - $60
Mad Dog McCree II - $45
Novastorm - $60

I didn't look at all the games, but those I did seemed low for ebay, but perhaps on the mark for retail.

[digitalpress]

Thanks folks! I've updated the NES and Sega CD notes from above but please remember that we don't use eBay exclusively as our input and even if we did, we would want our "collector" price factored lower simply because at every in-person and forum deal we negotiate at a rate lower than eBay 100% of the time. In fact, even our retail shop is below eBay 90% of the time.

Keep 'em coming.

[Arcade Antics]

Atari VCS
As you know I autioned off my 300 carts VCS collection in 2004 due to personal reasons.
Since two years now I have started to re-collect VCS (cib), and games which used to be common, eg Star Wars the Arcade Game, Pressure Cooker, Frogger II Threeedeep
and many more especially Activision titles have risen in value. So most VCS titles have increased in value, I'd say.
IMO adjustments: Frogger II should go up (25 to 35+). SWtAG should go down (20 to 14) and Pressure Cooker (8) is about right.

IMO *generally* all the 2600 values should shift down except for the really rare titles, e.g., anything R1 should be $1.


Of course in the guide all items valued at cib, right?
8-bit Guide values are all based on loose carts unless otherwise noted, add for manual & box in most cases. :)

[tekfox212800]

The guide came out in 04 right? I think it may need updating for games like The Garage Cart, which came out in 05, or maybe add a homebrew section all together. That is just a tiny adjustment, but beyond updating prices, adding a "Non Cartridge" or accessory listing would be nice too!


EDIT: i realized there is a homebrew section. Sorry about that, should have looked before i posted! But i cant find garage cart in there.

[ghsqb]

The Intellivision section could sure use some updates:

For example, a loose Spiker will fetch $300+ while a boxed copy sold recently for $1800
The Learning Fun I & II games are way too low, they have actually eclipsed Congo Bongo in price (Congo seems much more readily available now)
Learning Fun II trends slightly higher than I, with loose copies fetching between $100-$125 and CIB going for $450 or so.

Stadium Mud Buggies should be at about $200 loose, and 400-500 CIB.

I'd also suggest that relative rarities need some adjusting too as values for River Raid, Triple Challenge and Worm Whomper are too low.

Really it could all just use an adjustment for inflation, but some need to be adjusted a little more than that.

[old_skoolin_jim]

Is there any way you could add another column to the list view, so we can just check values at-a-glance, rather than having to "click in" to a game description?
I know it's a bit off-topic, but just thought I'd chime in...