3DS second analog stick attachment unveiled

[dairugger]

looks like its possibly made by capcom and is for monster hunter. from the picture its a attachment that also gives the 3ds extra shoulder buttons r2 and l2.

[buzz_n64]

32X here we go!

[Graham Mitchell]

Damn that's ugly. Couldn't they have made it more square to match the look of the system? I hope they revise that.

[RPG_Fanatic]

Looks like the new 3DS revision rumor must be true...glad I didn't buy a 3DS when they first came out. Get screwed on the price and now you have to buy some ugly add-on stick :oops:

[portnoyd]

All I see is a 3DS wrapped in a bowel movement. What gives?

[heybtbm]

Looks like the new 3DS revision rumor must be true...glad I didn't buy a 3DS when they first came out. Get screwed on the price and now you have to buy some ugly add-on stick :oops:

Exactly. Just wait for the next revision.

How embarrassing for Nintendo. How did they get the 3DS so wrong? The sheer number of bad decisions and their failure to understand the marketplace (that they created) just boggles the mind. Wow.

[Baloo]

What a monstrosity!

[RCM]

Is this officially from Nintendo or a third party add-on Capcom built specifically for this game (Monster Hunter, I think)? It wouldn't be the first time Capcom has gone out of their way to provide a "proper" controller for a big franchise. Street Fighter IV, anyone?

I have a hard time believing Nintendo would release such an ugly hunk of trash, but they did push out the Virtual Boy and original DS.

[sfchakan]

I hate this platform more and more every time I hear about it. It sucks some interesting exclusive games are headed to it.

[Robocop2]

I dunno the extra width might make it more comfortable for some of us. And if they add an extra battery into that thing.....

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I don't understand how it interfaces with the 3DS, as the system doesn't seem to have any dedicated input ports.

Anybody have any clue?

[Fatalstar64]

If it's not a must have add on then I don't care but if they force you to get one I will definitely never buy a Nintendo console at launch ever again. Quite frankly I'm sick of FPS and if I wanted to play those I'd play it on a PC not a tiny handheld which I want to play platformers and rpg's on.

[Robocop2]

I don't understand how it interfaces with the 3DS, as the system doesn't seem to have any dedicated input ports.

Anybody have any clue?

That something I've been wondering myself. the only way I could think of is possibly somehow it plugs into the card slot. It's not like there's an EXT port on the system and I don;t think that it would plug into the SD slot.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

That something I've been wondering myself. the only way I could think of is possibly somehow it plugs into the card slot. It's not like there's an EXT port on the system and I don;t think that it would plug into the SD slot.

I don't see anything that looks like it slots into the cart port in those pictures. Possibly the charging dock pins have some i/o capabilities.

[substantial_snake]

In that picture it looks like their is a raised surface where the actual 3DS battery sits in the console but I can't really tell if its real or just light playing with plastic inconsistencies. The ways I could see it work is if it either communicates through the IR receiver at the top of the system..which is unlikely or that somehow works with the Monster Hunter cartridge like a plug in adapter or something..also unlikely.

Whatever it is as a long time PSP owner I find this hilarious considering how much bitching their was for a second analog stick on the console.


I dunno the extra width might make it more comfortable for some of us. And if they add an extra battery into that thing.....

I seriously suggest this thing if you find your 3DS uncomfortable, it eliminated most ergonomic issues for me and doubled my battery life.
Amazon Nkyo Battery Pack and Charger (http://www.amazon.com/Charge-Base-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B004SJFJUA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315411336&sr=8-2)

[Trumpman]

So glad I'm waiting for the inevitable 3DS Lite. Got burned on the DS Phat, not going to happen again.

[kupomogli]

Whatever it is as a long time PSP owner I find this hilarious considering how much bitching their was for a second analog stick on the console.

Nintendo: There's only been constant complaining about the PSP having one analog nub, let's add only one to the 3DS.

While I have gotten used to a single analog on the PSP, especially since most games are made with it not requiring one, I'd have liked a second one. The biggest problem with the 3DS is the battery life unless you go out and buy an extra peripheral. And after showcasing the DSi XL I really don't want to buy the 3DS when you know they'll eventually release an XL version.

[Orion Pimpdaddy]

They should have released the system when everything was ready, including the library of games. I bought mine the day it came out. I did that based on Nintendo' track record of awesome handhelds. However, this time around they tripped out of the gate. Their image of being a top notch handheld manufacturer has been hurt. Sony would be wise to take advantage of this, but in all likelihood, Sony will mess their end up as well.

[PapaStu]

Is this officially from Nintendo or a third party add-on Capcom built specifically for this game (Monster Hunter, I think)? It wouldn't be the first time Capcom has gone out of their way to provide a "proper" controller for a big franchise. Street Fighter IV, anyone?

I have a hard time believing Nintendo would release such an ugly hunk of trash, but they did push out the Virtual Boy and original DS.


Quote for truth. I don't think it's ugly, but it's not in line with what the system already is, so it stands out.

If this is for Tri (as some of the articles have mentioned it would really benefit from an addition of a second stick) then so what? If this is official Nintendo i'm not phased by it. So the first years titles won't heavily support it. Later stuff will and by then, the 3DS Plus/Lite/XL whatever will hit and no one will give a shit at that point.

There are a TON of DS add on controllers out there, hardly any of which got an American release. Guitar Hero controller? My Fitness Coach stepper thingie, Arkanoid spinner (Japanese), Mushiking / Love & Berry / Dinosaur King card swipers (Japanese), the glucose checker among many others all accessed the GBA port and interacted w/ the games and i've never heard all that much rage over the loss of the GBA slot that prevented the play of those games, using those preferials.

You guys just have lots of grump towards this system no matter what it does.

[sfchakan]

Quote for truth. I don't think it's ugly, but it's not in line with what the system already is, so it stands out.

If this is for Tri (as some of the articles have mentioned it would really benefit from an addition of a second stick) then so what? If this is official Nintendo i'm not phased by it. So the first years titles won't heavily support it. Later stuff will and by then, the 3DS Plus/Lite/XL whatever will hit and no one will give a shit at that point.

There are a TON of DS add on controllers out there, hardly any of which got an American release. Guitar Hero controller? My Fitness Coach stepper thingie, Arkanoid spinner (Japanese), Mushiking / Love & Berry / Dinosaur King card swipers (Japanese), the glucose checker among many others all accessed the GBA port and interacted w/ the games and i've never heard all that much rage over the loss of the GBA slot that prevented the play of those games, using those preferials.

You guys just have lots of grump towards this system no matter what it does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDMrncAy4U

[klausien]

I am also an early adopter and now absolutely wish I had waited. I truly love Mario, Samus, Link and the whole Nintendo crew as much as I love the Warner Bros. and Disney legacies, but the 3DS will be the last Nintendo system I purchased at its inception. I should have known better and gone with the DSi XL I was eyeing. At least it plays DS games in their native resolution.

This add-on is another money grab like the near useless Wii Motion Plus they already burned us on; Skyward Sword be damned. They will most certainly do a redesign down the line that adds the second stick; especially if it ends up being a big seller. The line they are currently towing, saying that they won't, is a great big lie. Monster Hunter is only really a factor in Japan, so the add-on honestly looks more like an attempt to fix a few of the system's flaws due the Vita more than anything else. It is also probably a stab at attracting more Western developers to the system by making the FPS genre properly playable. I know FPS games aren't huge in Japan like they are everywhere else, but you'd think they would have realized how well the first person perspective shows off the 3D screen. The genre also tops the charts in the US, which is still a very large market for the industry. It should have been a no brainer, but alas we have this. I also bet they include an extra battery in the thing too when all is said and done. It's so huge they had better!

Nintendo is losing their edge. The Wii U is just a great big trojan horse geared at getting you to spend another $250 on something that you will ultimately use mostly to play DS games on your TV. That is, if you spend the $10 on the games you already own on the Wii U VC of course. This is for when they take the backwards compatibility with the original DS cards out of the next 3DS revision of course. You know, the one with the two sticks and doubled battery life. The Game Boy and DS lines were just barely brilliant enough content-wise for one to deal with the multiple redesigns of the hardware. Now this business model is beginning to alienate both fans and developers alike. I know this lifelong fan is getting tired of getting stiffed by Nintendo.

[Patney]

I too regret my purchase of the 3DS at the moment. I've spent all day playing on it, but it was a DS game, soooo... And the only thing I want a PSVita for is a portable Demon's Souls.

[goatdan]

Before everyone goes crazy, by all appearances, this is a Capcom addition, not a Nintendo one, for a particular game. If that is true, and it is like the Guitar Hero add on thing for the DS, I have no issues whatsoever with it.

Also, for those who said it was stupid not to have the DS have two analog nubs to begin with, Nintendo loves having you use the touch screen like an analog nub, so I feel like having two on the system would be quite redundant. I don't mind it with only one at all.

[Patney]

I don't mind it too much, but every game is limited by camera because you can't directly control it usually. I mean, controlling the camera by using the touchscreen isn't exactly optimal.

[Ludwig]

How embarrassing for Nintendo. How did they get the 3DS so wrong

I agree, the 3DS is Nintendo's most flawed so far, with annoying region lock, scratched displays, short battery life, and what not, but actually: That's how Nintendo mostly does it with their portables. I remember when they came out with the GB Light, which solved the biggest issue all previous ones had, but they only released it in japan, and then quickly dump the color onto the market, which again - didn't have a bloody light! What the?! Seriously?!

Almost the same with the advance. First again - no light, then they fix it with the SP which got rubbish sound and makes your eyes bleed, then they fixed it again (at least some of the display issues) with the 101 which still is very rare round here, and still got bland colors. Then they dump the micro on us, which is way to small for anyone beyond their early embryonic states.

Point is: Nintendo will never get a hand held just right, with adequate display, sound, comfort and usability. They introduced a region lock as you probably know, which alone would also be a good reason not to buy it. :ass:

Felt like ranting, sorry.

[Drath]

Guys, wait, I just heard a random company made a extra grip rubber sleeve that the 3DS fits in for all that extra grip you need. Then another company made an extra big battery pack that attaches to the 3DS. Wait, another company made a special screen protector, and a carrying pack, you know, so you can put your games in, and stuff! NO WAY! Something was just released that attaches to your 3DS that makes the buttons bigger!

What is wrong with Nintendo! Why are all these third party companies (that aren't Nintendo) making peripherals for the 3DS! Stupid Nintendo! Ugh, the 3DS sucks! <Insert line about the price drop>.

Hopefully somebody gets the sarcasm there, because supposedly companies making third party extensions and items means that the 3DS is terrible and that Nintendo is stupid? I'm missing the correlation there. Can somebody help me out?

[The 1 2 P]

Exactly. How embarrassing for Nintendo. How did they get the 3DS so wrong? The sheer number of bad decisions and their failure to understand the marketplace (that they created) just boggles the mind. Wow.

I think it's because of how much positive feedback they received during the initial unveiling of the 3DS. They apparently took that feedback and decided to run with it, forgoing any changes they may have made to the system before launching it. I think they were even quoted in an article saying that they priced the system the way they did because of the overwhelmingly positive response they were getting from it(the system, not the price).

[klausien]

http://the-magicbox.com/1109/game110906b.shtml

Nintendo is producing the unit. It isn't a third party device. It's admitting failure.

[c0ldb33r]

I actually can't wait for this device.

I love stuff like this. I love sliding stuff into other stuff.

It's like the Sega CD all over again :D

[PapaStu]

Nintendo is producing the unit. It isn't a third party device. It's admitting failure.

Nintendo producing this doesn't mean any kind of admitted failure. Is Nintendo publishing Monster Hunter 3DS in Japan like they did for 3 here in the US?

Again, if this second stick is JUST for Monster Hunter (which it well could be) who cares? STOP WITH THE DOOM AND GLOOM.

[skaar]

This looks like Madcatz.

[sfchakan]

I think most of the people being negative here are just disappointed with the 3DS period. I know I am and I'm glad I didn't run out and buy it early.

I'll wait for the next hardware version and a fatter library.

[substantial_snake]

Nintendo producing this doesn't mean any kind of admitted failure. Is Nintendo publishing Monster Hunter 3DS in Japan like they did for 3 here in the US?

Again, if this second stick is JUST for Monster Hunter (which it well could be) who cares? STOP WITH THE DOOM AND GLOOM.

I may be totally off base here but the way I understand it is that the concern is that Nintendo is producing a major refit (NCC-1701A yo) attachment for its own system which means it probably wont be just for monster hunter. Now if this was a Capcom only venture then I would be totally with you but it being a Nintendo product does give me cause for concern that this is an attempt at a 3DS redesign.

That and the vibe I got from Nintendo's upcoming BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG announcement at the TGS suggested that it was more then just getting Monster Hunter on the 3DS and this might very well be it. I'm not going to bash it untill I hold the thing but it does reinforce my thoughts on how the 3DS has been thoroughly undercooked.


This looks like Madcatz.

This made me LOL and yes *sigh* it does.

[joshnickerson]

It'll be like the Classic Controller Pro, bundled with Monster Hunter, and like the Classic Controller Pro, no games will absolutely require it. More than likely, Capcom wanted a second analog nub and to appease them, Nintendo produced the slide on Slide Pad, because after all, Monster Hunter is huge in Japan and who WOULDN'T want the series on their system?

If future games absolutely require the attachment, I can see an issue, but at the moment, it just looks like a peripheral Capcom requested to make Monster Hunting easier.


Nintendo is producing the unit. It isn't a third party device. It's admitting failure.

We could just wait to hear it straight from Nintendo next Tuesday, or go with a fan site translating a leaked magazine scan. Your choice, internetz.

[kupomogli]

Hopefully somebody gets the sarcasm there, because supposedly companies making third party extensions and items means that the 3DS is terrible and that Nintendo is stupid? I'm missing the correlation there. Can somebody help me out?


http://the-magicbox.com/1109/game110906b.shtml

Nintendo is producing the unit.

The irony.


I love stuff like this. I love sliding stuff into other stuff.

Quote of the year? Either Queen of the Felines quote or this.

[goatdan]

Then they dump the micro on us, which is way to small for anyone beyond their early embryonic states.

Oddly enough, I have big hands, and prefer to the GBA Micro to all other GBA playing devices -- including the GameCube with adapter -- by quite a bit.

[Gameguy]

This looks like Madcatz.


This made me LOL and yes *sigh* it does.
I also laughed, but mainly because it looked like that cat from his signature said it. LOL

[heybtbm]

We could just wait to hear it straight from Nintendo next Tuesday, or go with a fan site translating a leaked magazine scan. Your choice, internetz.

...or they could just confirm it now:

http://m.kotaku.com/5838197/nintendo-officially-confirms-comments-on-3ds-circle-pad-add+on

[Drath]

I know it may seem like back peddling, but I think my comment still stands. When it was believed to be third party by most of us here, we still jumped to attack Nintendo and the "failure" of the 3DS.

[kupomogli]

I know it may seem like back peddling, but I think my comment still stands. When it was believed to be third party by most of us here, we still jumped to attack Nintendo and the "failure" of the 3DS.

But most of us didn't believe it was third party. Some of us did, sure, but literally everyone here is well aware of the rumor about Nintendo making another 3DS revision with two analog sticks. This beast is then announced along with Monster Hunter 3G? It's not hard to put two and two together.

This add on pretty much solidifies that we're going to see a new 3DS revision. As if we weren't going to see one anyways. I don't think Nintendo has ever had a portable console that didn't have a revision. Even the Game and Watch games had multiple revisions.

[j_factor]

Maybe this is my OCD talking, but I really don't like how it's asymmetrical.

[Ludwig]

Oddly enough, I have big hands, and prefer to the GBA Micro to all other GBA playing devices -- including the GameCube with adapter -- by quite a bit.
Question would now be: Why? The display is the best out from all of the advance range. (That's the reason why i still would like to own one.) But still, that thing is tiny. If it's for the feel then i'm really somewhat puzzled.


Maybe this is my OCD talking, but I really don't like how it's asymmetrical.
I second that motion.

[Robocop2]

I don't see anything that looks like it slots into the cart port in those pictures. Possibly the charging dock pins have some i/o capabilities.

Hmm maybe but looking at the smaller pictures it looks like the flap on top covers the cart slot though I don't see any pins sticking out of it. Still seems kind of wierd that it would cover the cart slot.

[goatdan]

I don't think Nintendo has ever had a portable console that didn't have a revision.

Yes -- but Nintendo, nor anyone else in the handheld market that I can think of, ever made a revision that altered the input that a system has. It has happened with consoles and controllers before -- in fact, many times... but a console, where the input is tied directly to the entire device... no.

If this is the future of the 3DS, I'll happily continue to buy games for my 3DS in he exact same way that I have so far. So far, I have none, but it's a nice way to play my DS games.


Question would now be: Why? The display is the best out from all of the advance range. (That's the reason why i still would like to own one.) But still, that thing is tiny. If it's for the feel then i'm really somewhat puzzled.

The original I can't see the screen worth a darn and the SP with the flip top is just super uncomfortable to me. The original DS I'm pretty good with (more than most people, it seems) but I find it more comfortable to use with the stylus in one hand and the other on the console than for two handed gaming. The GameCube controller I don't like how the buttons are different sizes, while it is great for GC games, I feel like it is really weird for GBA titles. *Shrug*

Take all that into account, and the GBA Micro wins almost by default. Add to it that I feel it's super responsive and with the only exception of the shoulder buttons being a little odd to use, it just feels better. I thought that I wouldn't like it, but I bought the Mother 3 pack with one because I'm an Earthbound nerd shortly after it came out, and I tried out the system. Loved it so much, that even with a bunch of other GBA capable systems, I bought another Micro just for game playing so I wouldn't hurt the Earthbound one.

[kupomogli]

Influenced by Nintendo's add on, this is what the 3DS should have been in the first place... well, aside from the obvious shitty Photoshop work I've done. I should have used the other analog since it's the same size, too lazy to remove the add on, and an incredibly crappy photoshop since I used paint, but still. You guys get what I mean.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/kupomogli/3dsmockup.png

[klausien]

Or with the buttons and second analog reversed, XBox style.

Why they didn't include the second analog to begin with is either simply mind-boggling, or straight up infuriating depending upon your level of angst about the situation. I stand by my assertion that they have basically admitted the failure of the original design, and that there will be another 3DS with this as standard by 2013 at the latest. The add-on is certainly a band aid, and I bet the tension with their investors is part of the impetus for releasing it. They need to get people to adopt this thing if they don't want to give in and make cellphone games in the current video game market. I wouldn't be surprised to see a shake up in company management over this entire debacle.

I was already miffed by the insulting price drop, but this takes it to the next level. It would never happen, but a coupon for a reduced price on the redesign for all those idiots like myself who had faith in their first try would be the least they could do. More VC games most of us already own only make the whole thing even more sour to the taste because I bet you can't take them with you when you upgrade in the future.

The earlier criticisms of poor battery life, poor resolution on the cameras, blurry DS game display, egregiously overpriced software (actually my biggest beef with the system), etc. are nothing compared to this. If they were going to go this far to try and fix the 3DS, they shouldn't have ruined StarFox DS with stylus-only controls and Donkey Kong Barrel Blast with Wii-only controls. I'm still pissed about both of those.

[Rickstilwell1]

Doesn't bug me any. Everyone else likes to complain, but I don't care and buy every system pretty early on now that I have pretty much every retro system I want. People bashed the Gamecube, PSP, and PS3 while I enjoyed them all. Same goes for the 3DS. Now that I have the 3DS I am thinking I will hardly ever use my DS. It was the best way to play real Game Boy Advance games on a handheld, but I enjoy those most on the Gamecube's Game Boy Player anyway.

[Ludwig]

@dan:
Good argumentation. It's been a while since i played with one, maybe i will have a revelation when i buy my final fantasy micro, but all hands are different. How much did you pay for the mother 3 micro by the way? I also heard many prefer the DS for GBA games, still prowling around for dead ones, since i can't be bothered to spend all that money on a good one, especially since i rather would have a DSi XL, but it doesn't support GBA games anymore. :/ I hope it isn't that big of a deal that we are a little OT.

[goatdan]

@dan:
Good argumentation. It's been a while since i played with one, maybe i will have a revelation when i buy my final fantasy micro, but all hands are different. How much did you pay for the mother 3 micro by the way? I also heard many prefer the DS for GBA games, still prowling around for dead ones, since i can't be bothered to spend all that money on a good one, especially since i rather would have a DSi XL, but it doesn't support GBA games anymore. :/ I hope it isn't that big of a deal that we are a little OT.

I think I'm a little out there on handhelds, as I greatly prefer the original DS to the DS Lite. I think I got the Mother 3 Micro set (with Mother 3, the Franklin Badge I think it is and all packaging) used for like $125ish back before the price on all things Earthbound exploded.

I also have my boxed copy of Earthbound that still has it's "Buy Now! $5.95!" sticker on it.

But yeah, I think it just depends. The GBA Micro design looked like crap but I think feels way better than it has any right too. I actually think the same thing about the 3DS. I completely dislike the layer look of the console and was worried I wouldn't like it's feel much, but it's pretty decent. A nice platform for playing DS titles on.

To steer this more on track, I'll also say that I agree that Nintendo will potentially have a huge management shake up over this. *IF* this is truly going to become a necessary add-on to the console, then they are going to absolutely shatter the faith of the early adopters in the Wii U. As it is, I think the Wii U is going to have a HUGE uphill battle because so many 'core' gamers have turned their back on Nintendo, and it takes those core gamers to get excited about a product to start selling it. If you take the product that gamers were most excited about and you more or less screw everyone that got it -- and no matter what, that arrangement that is pictured will *not* make it comfortable to use the analog stick and the buttons if a game demands that, and so many 3D games do demand that -- that I really think this will seriously impede any momentum the Wii U would have had.

Add to that so many people don't understand what the Wii U is, and Nintendo has a huge problem on their hands.

[pixelsnpolygons]

Yeah the whole 3DS thing isn't off to a great start. That add-on thing looks cheap, sloppy and ugly. People are starting to get really annoyed. This time next year I doubt anyone will care though. The number of early adopters (like myself) will be far outweighed by the number of "3DS+" owners by then. But, yeah, the 3DS should have launched at the same time as Vita. There was no reason or advantage for the company or consumers to have launched when it did.

[Rickstilwell1]

I don't even see a reason why you need a second analog stick when simply moving the 3DS around lets you aim. It must be totally optional. It's just overkill.

[dairugger]

Or with the buttons and second analog reversed, XBox style.

Why they didn't include the second analog to begin with is either simply mind-boggling, or straight up infuriating depending upon your level of angst about the situation. I stand by my assertion that they have basically admitted the failure of the original design, and that there will be another 3DS with this as standard by 2013 at the latest. The add-on is certainly a band aid, and I bet the tension with their investors is part of the impetus for releasing it. They need to get people to adopt this thing if they don't want to give in and make cellphone games in the current video game market. I wouldn't be surprised to see a shake up in company management over this entire debacle.

I was already miffed by the insulting price drop, but this takes it to the next level. It would never happen, but a coupon for a reduced price on the redesign for all those idiots like myself who had faith in their first try would be the least they could do. More VC games most of us already own only make the whole thing even more sour to the taste because I bet you can't take them with you when you upgrade in the future.

The earlier criticisms of poor battery life, poor resolution on the cameras, blurry DS game display, egregiously overpriced software (actually my biggest beef with the system), etc. are nothing compared to this. If they were going to go this far to try and fix the 3DS, they shouldn't have ruined StarFox DS with stylus-only controls and Donkey Kong Barrel Blast with Wii-only controls. I'm still pissed about both of those.

from what ive heard starfox 3ds has both gyro and button controls, unless your talking about the old starfox for the ds in which case i agree.

personally, the one thing i dont like about the 3ds is that the analog stick doesnt have a texture to it, my thumb has actually slid off it on more than one occasion, same goes for the console, its very slick.

[NBaco]

Just to clarify, this isn't a revision as I'm sure most of you already have figured out. Basically, when Monster Hunter Freedom came out on the PSP the common complaint was the lack of a 2nd analog stick. Unlike most handheld games, Monster Hunter Freedom pretty much needed a 2nd analog stick. When Monster Hunter Tri came out on the Wii, they got around this by packing in the Classic Controller Pro, which apart from having grips on it, also had a 2nd analog stick. Monster Hunter Tri in Japan got a PSP port called Monster Hunter 3rd. Monster Hunter 3rd/3G is now slated for a 3DS release in Japan and to get around the lack of a 2nd analog stick on the 3DS, Capcom made a peripheral that hooks into the back of the 3DS. So yes, Capcom are the ones making this. Hopefully this will clear up some of the confusion. Judging by the comments on the 2nd page, I assume everyone has figured this out by now but I'm just throwing this back out there anyway. I'm actually a bit of a Monster Hunter fan so this is why I knew about it. If Capcom trolls us again and doesn't release 3rd/3G/ whatever the hell they're calling it, we probably won't see this add-on at all.

So let's all please ease up on the 3DS bashing a bit. I get it, this board doesn't like the 3DS, but the amount of hate it's getting here is almost bordering on Gamefaqs.

[kupomogli]

So let's all please ease up on the 3DS bashing a bit. I get it, this board doesn't like the 3DS, but the amount of hate it's getting here is almost bordering on Gamefaqs.

Clearly. Because a single thread which just hit three pages complaining about the new analog add on is remotely close to what we can pull up on multiple threads at Gamefaqs.

[NBaco]

Clearly. Because a single thread which just hit three pages complaining about the new analog add on is remotely close to what we can pull up on multiple threads at Gamefaqs.

I said bordering, and it's not just "one thread", it's in various other threads.

The point I'm trying to make is that the "Hate on anything Nintendo releases" trend is a little excessive. All I'm saying is ease up a little, give the 3DS a chance. People attacked the 3DS over this add-on without even fully understand what it was. People need to chill out, step back, and see how things with the 3DS turn out before unleashing all fury upon it.

[heybtbm]

Just to clarify, this isn't a revision as I'm sure most of you already have figured out. Basically, when Monster Hunter Freedom came out on the PSP the common complaint was the lack of a 2nd analog stick. Unlike most handheld games, Monster Hunter Freedom pretty much needed a 2nd analog stick. When Monster Hunter Tri came out on the Wii, they got around this by packing in the Classic Controller Pro, which apart from having grips on it, also had a 2nd analog stick. Monster Hunter Tri in Japan got a PSP port called Monster Hunter 3rd. Monster Hunter 3rd/3G is now slated for a 3DS release in Japan and to get around the lack of a 2nd analog stick on the 3DS, Capcom made a peripheral that hooks into the back of the 3DS. So yes, Capcom are the ones making this. Hopefully this will clear up some of the confusion. Judging by the comments on the 2nd page, I assume everyone has figured this out by now but I'm just throwing this back out there anyway. I'm actually a bit of a Monster Hunter fan so this is why I knew about it. If Capcom trolls us again and doesn't release 3rd/3G/ whatever the hell they're calling it, we probably won't see this add-on at all.

So let's all please ease up on the 3DS bashing a bit. I get it, this board doesn't like the 3DS, but the amount of hate it's getting here is almost bordering on Gamefaqs.

My favorite part of this post is how everything is stated as fact. Let me respond with some real facts (reported by multiple game sites in the last 24 hours)...

Nintendo developed this peripheral in house.

They are now giving it out to other developers.

In other words, you're full of it.

[NBaco]

My favorite part of this post is how everything is stated as fact. Let me respond with some real facts (reported by multiple game sites in the last 24 hours)...

Nintendo developed this peripheral in house.

They are now giving it out to other developers.

In other words, you're full of it.

Oh, really? Ironic, considering I tried my best to find an article confirming this. The closest I've found is a bit from Famitsu that basically said it's licensed by Nintendo. Being licensed by Nintendo doesn't mean anything, it just means Nintendo licensed it. They licensed the CC Pro too. So what? It doesn't change the fact this add-on is designed strictly for 3G. If you were trying to somehow correct me, you failed. At least provide some sort of link that proves that I'm "full of it". If they're "giving it out" to other developers as you say, then at least give me a link to it. So far, I have no reason to believe this add-on is meant for anything other than 3G. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I haven't seen anywhere where I slipped up. What other games are slated to use this add on? Hm? What other developers was it given to? Hmm?? Why is the add-on only shown with 3G? Hmmm??? Unless you can answer these questions then you sir are full of it. Even if the add-on works with other 3DS games, it wouldn't change the fact it was released solely for use with 3G just like the CC Pro before it was. I can't even agree that it was made by Nintendo, because articles I've seen have interviews with the developers of 3G...So unless you can prove to me without a doubt Nintendo made it, I won't even concede that much. Also don't forget that Capcom helped Nintendo design the CC Pro, even though I think Nintendo were the ones who ended up actually making the controller. So even if Nintendo DID make this, at the very least Capcom helped. Seriously, you can agree with that much right?

Besides that, even I were wrong (which I've yet to admit that I am) the hostile tone isn't needed. I'm just repeating the information I've gathered.

[Leo_A]

My favorite part of this post is how everything is stated as fact. Let me respond with some real facts (reported by multiple game sites in the last 24 hours)...

Nintendo developed this peripheral in house.

They are now giving it out to other developers.

In other words, you're full of it.

Careful, I can recall multiple instances where you did the same thing even though you always marvel at how accurate your predictions are. ;)

[Robocop2]

Whether its strictly for 3G or not; it exists now and being licensed or produced by Nintendo whichever it really is means that it can be taken advantage of for other games. Of course being an add-on I don't know how many games that will be. I mean remember the GBA E-reader or how Nintendo said that they were going to release games that took advantage of the DSi's particular feature set? Those really took off didn't they? Same thing with this deal here, I'll believe its the end-all be-all revision when it takes off and becomes necessary to experience more than one game I don't care about in the first place.

I don't doubt there will be a revised 3DS eventually; Nintendo and everyone else for that matter revises hardware throughout its life cycle and has as long as I can remember. Doesn't mean the original hardware is a useless chunk of plastic and doesn't mean that its a complete failure.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Hmm maybe but looking at the smaller pictures it looks like the flap on top covers the cart slot though I don't see any pins sticking out of it. Still seems kind of wierd that it would cover the cart slot.

Yeah, I guess compatible carts will have some type of I/O on them that talks to the device.

It's really amazing what kind of impact Monster Hunter has on the gaming world of the East (this add-on seems directly correlated with that game's development) yet continues to avoid mass market appeal in the US and elsewhere.

[Bojay1997]

I said bordering, and it's not just "one thread", it's in various other threads.

The point I'm trying to make is that the "Hate on anything Nintendo releases" trend is a little excessive. All I'm saying is ease up a little, give the 3DS a chance. People attacked the 3DS over this add-on without even fully understand what it was. People need to chill out, step back, and see how things with the 3DS turn out before unleashing all fury upon it.

I have to agree with this. I'm not sure how this board switched so rapidly to being anti-Nintendo, especially since Nintendo seems to be the only successful company that actually still releases 2D games and utilizes their classic IP in new and interesting ways. I have had my issues and concerns with Nintendo over the years, but at least they are willing to adjust when they are wrong and actually try to fix things rather than ignoring a problem or lying about its existence ala Microsoft and Sony.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I have to agree with this. I'm not sure how this board switched so rapidly to being anti-Nintendo, especially since Nintendo seems to be the only successful company that actually still releases 2D games and utilizes their classic IP in new and interesting ways. I have had my issues and concerns with Nintendo over the years, but at least they are willing to adjust when they are wrong and actually try to fix things rather than ignoring a problem or lying about its existence ala Microsoft and Sony.

:?

I don't know man, I don't see any unique prejudice towards Nintendo lately.

At this point I think most people are just pretty jaded/negative/vocal about any perceived problem with EVERY company, console, portable and gaming device out there.

Nintendo is not and should not be any more immune from constructive criticism than any other company ... and as much as I historically love what they do and regardless of my level of general satisfaction with the 3DS and Wii, I tend to agree that they're not making great decisions with their current "King of the Hill" position/perspective as of late.

But, like most things, people will move on to complaining about whatever the next big thing is when that happens. Notice how the daily anti-Sony chatter has subsided just a few months after the hackings?

This second analog stick device and potential system redesign is just a "flavor of the week" thing. It'll blow over, and regardless of any recent perceived bungles Nintendo will likely be fine in the long term.

[skaar]

Internet is for hating.

Seriously though, criticism mushroom clouds quickly, particularly on fan forums. I could care less about Nintendo's business practices/etc. that don't affect me. I'm not going to die if they release an updated version of something I already paid for - I'll upgrade if it's worth it to me, that's all.

I will speak up when a company's ethics are lacking though. I'll pick up the torch and pitchfork there, but not out of hate - just to hold them accountable and make someone at least pause to evaluate something.

I'm still waiting for Godwin's Law to kick in here.

Come on guys.

[skaar]

Also, still looks like a Madcatz accessory :)

[skaar]

I also laughed, but mainly because it looked like that cat from his signature said it. LOL

Batman.

Also, whoops triple post ;)

[kupomogli]

Also, still looks like a Madcatz accessory :)

Looks like a Nintendo accessory to me. :P


Batman.

Is awesome.

[Bojay1997]

:?

I don't know man, I don't see any unique prejudice towards Nintendo lately.

At this point I think most people are just pretty jaded/negative/vocal about any perceived problem with EVERY company, console, portable and gaming device out there.

Nintendo is not and should not be any more immune from constructive criticism than any other company ... and as much as I historically love what they do and regardless of my level of general satisfaction with the 3DS and Wii, I tend to agree that they're not making great decisions with their current "King of the Hill" position/perspective as of late.

But, like most things, people will move on to complaining about whatever the next big thing is when that happens. Notice how the daily anti-Sony chatter has subsided just a few months after the hackings?

This second analog stick device and potential system redesign is just a "flavor of the week" thing. It'll blow over, and regardless of any recent perceived bungles Nintendo will likely be fine in the long term.

Sure, but in the last few months it seems like there has been one Nintendo bashing thread after another. There have been Zelda soundtrack bashing threads (did anyone actually not get one which is what all the complainers were claiming?), 3DS price drop bashing threads, lack of good 3DS games bashing threads, WiiU bashing threads and now this one. I haven't seen many Microsoft or Playstation bashing threads despite the fact that Microsoft isn't really doing much new lately, Playstation Move has been largely a failure and the PSP Vita was delayed until next year in the US while PSP software support is almost non-existent through the end of the year.

I agree they blew the 3DS launch by overpricing the unit and games and not having compelling first party titles ready to go within a reasonable time from launch. I also agree this new add-on looks ugly and possibly hard to use. That doesn't change the fact that it was designed to address a perceived problem and rather than forcing everyone to buy a re-designed handheld, they are actually giving existing owners a cheaper alternative. Microsoft didn't give people a lower cost upgrade option to replace the D-pad on the standard 360 controller for fighting games, opting instead to charge full price for a "redesigned" D-Pad controller. I didn't see people complaining about that business decision here. Similarly, I didn't see people bitching that if you want rumble on your PS3, and you were an early adopter, you had to buy a new controller to replace your Sixaxis.

As much as I dislike some of Nintendo's business practices, I will say that they have been an innovator in the past few years and frankly, Sony and Microsoft have been consistently waiting for Nintendo to make an innovative move before acting which is frankly sad considering how innovative both Sony and Microsoft have been in other areas over the years. Until we get more details on what this controller is about and how it will be used, I'm going to reserve judgment. It could actually be great and certainly if it works, it might actually create new and innovative gaming experiences for 3DS owners.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Sure, but in the last few months it seems like there has been one Nintendo bashing thread after another. There have been Zelda soundtrack bashing threads (did anyone actually not get one which is what all the complainers were claiming?), 3DS price drop bashing threads, lack of good 3DS games bashing threads, WiiU bashing threads and now this one. I haven't seen many Microsoft or Playstation bashing threads despite the fact that Microsoft isn't really doing much new lately, Playstation Move has been largely a failure and the PSP Vita was delayed until next year in the US while PSP software support is almost non-existent through the end of the year.

I agree they blew the 3DS launch by overpricing the unit and games and not having compelling first party titles ready to go within a reasonable time from launch. I also agree this new add-on looks ugly and possibly hard to use. That doesn't change the fact that it was designed to address a perceived problem and rather than forcing everyone to buy a re-designed handheld, they are actually giving existing owners a cheaper alternative. Microsoft didn't give people a lower cost upgrade option to replace the D-pad on the standard 360 controller for fighting games, opting instead to charge full price for a "redesigned" D-Pad controller. I didn't see people complaining about that business decision here. Similarly, I didn't see people bitching that if you want rumble on your PS3, and you were an early adopter, you had to buy a new controller to replace your Sixaxis.

As much as I dislike some of Nintendo's business practices, I will say that they have been an innovator in the past few years and frankly, Sony and Microsoft have been consistently waiting for Nintendo to make an innovative move before acting which is frankly sad considering how innovative both Sony and Microsoft have been in other areas over the years. Until we get more details on what this controller is about and how it will be used, I'm going to reserve judgment. It could actually be great and certainly if it works, it might actually create new and innovative gaming experiences for 3DS owners.

Eh, I still think that the threads are all relative to news as it comes down the pike ...

Sony and Microsoft have both been generally quiet/free of major innovations or projects in the pipeline save for the Vita. Even the Kinect has been pretty innocuous to the point of people not really having a reason to talk about it, where Nintendo is just coming out of the first quarter on a new portable that had what most consider to be a lackluster launch and they're priming consumers for a new console with more unorthodox controllers/control styles.

And, like I said, we're all pretty damned jaded at this point. We've seen it all, and when it's something that we haven't seen, the knee-jerk reaction is always doubt/skepticism.

I'm not a fan of it myself and I wish more people could let ultimately insignificant things not bother them so much, but I find that most people just enjoy being critical or are overly amused by the critical nature of others.

I think the 3DS hate will pass when the system hits some kind of positive critical/commercial milestone or when some other company does something far more newsworthy to pull focus.

[Rickstilwell1]

Similarly, I didn't see people bitching that if you want rumble on your PS3, and you were an early adopter, you had to buy a new controller to replace your Sixaxis.

The reason is probably because rumble isn't really all that cool. Yeah it helps you feel the action but sometimes it can actually be an annoying feature and throw off your precision with the controller if the rumbling is too intense.

[Bojay1997]

The reason is probably because rumble isn't really all that cool. Yeah it helps you feel the action but sometimes it can actually be an annoying feature and throw off your precision with the controller if the rumbling is too intense.

And yet millions of us (myself included) bought the new DS3 when it came out despite already owning perfectly good Sixaxis controllers.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I didn't see people bitching that if you want rumble on your PS3, and you were an early adopter, you had to buy a new controller to replace your Sixaxis.

I think most people were happy to have the rumble back regardless of the cost of buying an extra controller, because frankly the whole bullshit with Sony and Immersion was...well, bullshit that only hurt the consumer.

That and their SixAxiS controllers still worked and continue to work fine, it's not like they had to replace them if they didn't want to.

Also, similarly, I think Nintendo got a decent pass from critics last year when the WiiMotion+ controller with the dongle hardware built in was released. I saw no real public outcry or complaining there.

*shrug* some stuff just rubs people the wrong way and it causes waves and (as Skaar said) mushroom clouds/pockets of critical activity on the web.

[klausien]

This isn't a Nintendo bashing thread the way I see it. Harsh criticism is clearly warranted here, and I truly love Nintendo, which is why I'm so miffed and vocal about the issue. As a matter of fact, I just bought StarFox 64 3D today and I'm looking forward to a relaxing evening of playing it. I also can't stand the wait for the Super Mario 3D Land. It definitely has the potention to be a great game. I would also love to see them rerelease some of the better VB games on VC, possibly with updated color palettes. The sky is really the limit. Nintendo makes some of the best games available, period, and I personally think the 3D is cool. It's a gimmick, but so are video games in general.

I certainly don't hate the 3DS, I'm just further disappointed when I didn't need to be. I wish they had put the second stick on there to begin with so first gen systems wouldn't require the ridiculous add on. It helps for big hands, but hurts the portability a bit and kills the sleekness of the design. It's no Atari Lynx mk1 with the add-on attached by any means, but the current size is just about perfect for the pocket, and the stick would definitely have fit on the right side. The power button could have gone anywhere. Oh well.

I went through the entire DS lifespan with an original "phat" DS, but if they come out with a 3DS model that has a second stick, I'll bite the bullet, take the hit, and trade up this time for sure. I'm just going to have to grumble my way through it.

[Malon_Forever]

Once the 3DS get's a good library of games, I think it'll be fine. There's tons of great games coming. Just gotta wait.

[kupomogli]

Sure, but in the last few months it seems like there has been one Nintendo bashing thread after another. There have been Zelda soundtrack bashing threads (did anyone actually not get one which is what all the complainers were claiming?), 3DS price drop bashing threads, lack of good 3DS games bashing threads, WiiU bashing threads and now this one. I haven't seen many Microsoft or Playstation bashing threads despite the fact that Microsoft isn't really doing much new lately, Playstation Move has been largely a failure and the PSP Vita was delayed until next year in the US while PSP software support is almost non-existent through the end of the year.

I don't know what your definition of "bashing" is, but the Zelda soundtrack was people complaining about the site not working properly, not bashing Nintendo. However, everything else, I entirely agree.

Also the Wii U, I'm personally interested in it, but why do you think people were bashing it? 480p without upscaling for Wii games. No DVD compatibility again. Then to find out that they won't offer compatibility with additional controllers but in order to sell more 3DS consoles they're saying they might add compatibility with the 3DS for additional controllers. As much as you dislike Nintendo's business practices, the Wii U is basically a good portion of their shitty business practices rolled into one.

But wait, there's more.

Everyone was burnt on the Wii because Nintendo pretty much didn't support the system as well as it could have. Infact, I think it is the least supported console this gen. When is the last time we've received a first party title? Xenoblade isn't first party btw, third party, then Nintendo bought Monolithsoft. But the current opinion is Nintendo going to support the Wii U?

Speaking of Xenoblade, what about Pandora's Tower, Last Story, and Xenoblade. Nintendo's big fuck you to their US audience. They released Xenoblade in PAL territories only to say "if it does well in Europe, we might release it in the US." Basically. "We know RPGs don't sell as well as our other IP, so you're more than likely not getting it." Sure Xenoblade can be played on a US Wii through illegal means, but what about the Wii U?

Nintendo had poor business practices before but the business practices now are clearly much, much worse. Then all the poor decisions with the 3DS. The top screen getting scratched just by closing the system, the system being overpriced because they're "Nintendo" and it got good reception prerelease(which they even admitted,) to the announcement of a new revision this early.

You're asking why people are bashing Nintendo now? Of course they're going to bash Nintendo. People are really starting to see how they work, especially after they're on top of the gaming industry right now. Sony knows how it is to be Nintendo right now, coming from the PS2 and thinking everyone would just buy a PS3.

[Bojay1997]

I don't know what your definition of "bashing" is, but the Zelda soundtrack was people complaining about the site not working properly, not bashing Nintendo. However, everything else, I entirely agree.

Also the Wii U, I'm personally interested in it, but why do you think people were bashing it? 480p without upscaling for Wii games. No DVD compatibility again. Then to find out that they won't offer compatibility with additional controllers but in order to sell more 3DS consoles they're saying they might add compatibility with the 3DS for additional controllers. As much as you dislike Nintendo's business practices, the Wii U is basically a good portion of their shitty business practices rolled into one.

But wait, there's more.

Everyone was burnt on the Wii because Nintendo pretty much didn't support the system as well as it could have. Infact, I think it is the least supported console this gen. When is the last time we've received a first party title? Xenoblade isn't first party btw, third party, then Nintendo bought Monolithsoft. But the current opinion is Nintendo going to support the Wii U?

Speaking of Xenoblade, what about Pandora's Tower, Last Story, and Xenoblade. Nintendo's big fuck you to their US audience. They released Xenoblade in PAL territories only to say "if it does well in Europe, we might release it in the US." Basically. "We know RPGs don't sell as well as our other IP, so you're more than likely not getting it." Sure Xenoblade can be played on a US Wii through illegal means, but what about the Wii U?

Nintendo had poor business practices before but the business practices now are clearly much, much worse. Then all the poor decisions with the 3DS. The top screen getting scratched just by closing the system, the system being overpriced because they're "Nintendo" and it got good reception prerelease(which they even admitted,) to the announcement of a new revision this early.

You're asking why people are bashing Nintendo now? Of course they're going to bash Nintendo. People are really starting to see how they work, especially after they're on top of the gaming industry right now. Sony knows how it is to be Nintendo right now, coming from the PS2 and thinking everyone would just buy a PS3.

It's nice to see you are getting slightly more sophisticated in your trolling.