The 3rd rarest licensed NES game?

[VG_Maniac]

It's pretty common knowledge that Stadium Events is the rarest licensed game on the NES and Flintstones: Surprise at Dino Peak is the second...but I never hear anyone say what they think the 3rd rarest one is. Going by how often I see them on Ebay and how much they sell for, I'd say it's almost a toss up between Little Samson and Bubble Bobble 2. What would you say the 3rd rarest licensed NES game is?

[buzz_n64]

Nintendo World Championships cart?

[VG_Maniac]

Nintendo World Championships cart?

I'm only talking about licensed games that were actually released to the public. Nintendo World Championships was only given away to the NWC finalists and the winners of the Nintendo Power contest.

[jcalder8]

SMB/Duck hunt according to most craiglist postings

[Greg2600]

Bubble Bobble 2 for sure. There are other rare games, like Snow Brothers, which go for a lot of money, too.

[Griking]

Is Flintstones really #2?

[Kitsune Sniper]

... Wouldn't Little Samson be #3?

[VG_Maniac]

Is Flintstones really #2?

As far as officially licensed games go it is, which isn't counting unlicensed games like Cheetahmen II and Bubble Bath Babes.

[Balloon Fight]

Personally I would put Little Samson as #3. That's after collecting the system for 8 years now.

[Leo_A]

I never hear anyone say what they think the 3rd rarest one is. Going by how often I see them on Ebay and how much they sell for, I'd say it's almost a toss up between Little Samson and Bubble Bobble 2. What would you say the 3rd rarest licensed NES game is?

Are they the 3rd rarest, or just a fairly rare game that happens to be in decent demand?

As far as I know, they're both well remembered classics that people want not only for their collection, but also to play. So that might be factoring into the equation as well.

[portnoyd]

Bubble Bobble 2 for sure. There are other rare games, like Snow Brothers, which go for a lot of money, too.

Value does not equal rarity.

Bubble Bobble 2 is barely in the top 10. You can't possibly justify that when it is up for auction on ebay all the time, with at least 3 opportunities for purchase. Little Samson is more or less the same situation.

I would rank Color A Dinosaur, Kid Klown, Pro Sport Hockey and Race America above them giving the third spot to Color A Dinosaur.

[peeingas]

There are a lot of rare games that are worthless. Take for instance Break Time, an obscure pool game made by FCI. A pretty rare game, but worth about $2.

[Oobgarm]

What about considering these...

Zombie Nation
Gun-Nac
Motor City Patrol
Casino Kid II
Panic Restaurant
Nobunaga's Ambition II
Rockin' Kats
Power Blade 2

All of those are fairly tough to spot in the wild, and eBay's not exactly overloaded on them at all times.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Value does not equal rarity.

True. I just figured Little Samson was #3 due to the amount of money it pulls. *shrugs*

[mrmark0673]

I would rank Color A Dinosaur, Kid Klown, Pro Sport Hockey...

These are three that immediately came to my mind as well. Not as high of a demand, but I would say certainly less common than LS or BB2.

[treismac]

SMB/Duck hunt according to most craiglist postings

Ha!! Vendors at my local Flea Market are rather convinced of their rarity as well.

[Rob2600]

What about considering these...

Gun-Nac

All of those are fairly tough to spot in the wild, and eBay's not exactly overloaded on them at all times.

Gun-Nac isn't rare.

[jonebone]

Tough decision, I doubt everyone will agree. I do put Little Samson ahead of Bubble Bobble 2 in terms of rarity though.

I don't see how Race America, Color A Dino or Kid Klown can be that up there either since they go for so cheap. I know that price does not just equal rarity (also demand), but if a game is truly the 3rd hardest to find in a set, then it's going for more than $20 loose. It's not like Flintstones 2 is worth $150-$200 because there's a long line of people willing to play it... it's price is based on rarity.

If I had to make a guess, I'd go with:
1) SE
2) F2
3) Little Samson
4) Power Blade 2
5) Panic Restaurant
6) Bonk's Adventure

and Bubble Bobble 2 somewhere after those in the top 10. Once again, just educated guesses and I'm sure no one will be in complete agreement.

[portnoyd]

I don't see how Race America, Color A Dino or Kid Klown can be that up there either since they go for so cheap.

Because of the mentality that people have, you included by your post, they are not regarded as rare as others. Since you do not see them as valuable, you do not want to pay more for them. It's a Catch-22. You don't think they're rare, so you don't want to give them proper value. And since they don't have proper value, you can't regard them as rare. It doesn't mean they're not.

As much research that I've done over the years, I can say that yes, they are definitely up there. Since I stand no chance of turning the NA tide, no one will regard them differently so as they are, they stay.

Also, your statement may be true if it wasn't for the precedent set by early collectors and Funco prices. Bubble Bobble 2 had one of the highest prices at the turn of the century at Funco. Since many, many early NES collectors, myself included, had little to go on with value, we turned to what resources we had, those being the Funco list and sadly, these abortions of the Etler list:

http://deathspork.flyingomelette.com/nesretreat/rare.txt
http://www.nintendoplayer.com/collectors/updatedrare.txt

Look how Bubble Bobble 2 on both lists is one of the highest priced titles. Titles like Little Samson and Flintstones 2 miraculously went from <$10 to >$40.

Another thing to remember is while a good many NES collectors have found their way to DP and NA over the years, there is still quite a few who do not rely on either for assistance. All they do is google "nes rarity list" and they are taken right to the second link above. This is the way it's been for 10 years! Over many years, prices were influenced by, to be blunt, poorly informed collectors solely using eBay.

[jonebone]

Because of the mentality that people have, you included by your post, they are not regarded as rare as others. Since you do not see them as valuable, you do not want to pay more for them. It's a Catch-22. You don't think they're rare, so you don't want to give them proper value. And since they don't have proper value, you can't regard them as rare. It doesn't mean they're not.

As much research that I've done over the years, I can say that yes, they are definitely up there. Since I stand no chance of turning the NA tide, no one will regard them differently so as they are, they stay.


Color a Dino and Kid Klown perhaps, but not Race America. Race America is simply uncommon. I would agree that Color a Dino / Kid Klown are potentially undervalued as they can both be a bitch to obtain, but demand just isn't there.

Hype definitely goes a long way in pricing, but that's the nature of the beast. Overhyped games can command more in value than sleepers which are rare but cheap. However, NES is pretty mature now and everyone has a good idea about what's what. Completionist collectors would have driven their prices up a bit if they realized "Hey, I haven't found this game for months and months, maybe I need to pay more to obtain it." That just simply hasn't happened.

[VG_Maniac]

Value does not equal rarity.

Bubble Bobble 2 is barely in the top 10. You can't possibly justify that when it is up for auction on ebay all the time, with at least 3 opportunities for purchase. Little Samson is more or less the same situation.

I would rank Color A Dinosaur, Kid Klown, Pro Sport Hockey and Race America above them giving the third spot to Color A Dinosaur.

Color A Dinosaur is always on Ebay in plentiful numbers. There are currently 10 copies of it going right now. Same goes for Kid Klown and Race America. I would definitely have to say that Little Samson and Bubble Bobble 2 are much rarer, as there usually are only 2 to 4 copies of each game listed at any given time. Remember, Flintstones: Surprise at Dino Peak is also always on Ebay with at least 2 to 4 copies, and nobody will argue against it being very rare.

[portnoyd]

Color a Dino and Kid Klown perhaps, but not Race America. Race America is simply uncommon. I would agree that Color a Dino / Kid Klown are potentially undervalued as they can both be a bitch to obtain, but demand just isn't there.

No, it's not but demand is tied into value, not to rarity.

I've been harping on Race America for years. I looked into it using resources that have since vanished and it was beyond the BB2 and Little Samsons. I have my own validation but no one cares and no one will care so let's just move on.


However, NES is pretty mature now and everyone has a good idea about what's what. Completionist collectors would have driven their prices up a bit if they realized "Hey, I haven't found this game for months and months, maybe I need to pay more to obtain it." That just simply hasn't happened.

Just because it's mature doesn't mean perceptions are correct. And the mentality of pay more to obtain it... well, that's one of the top 3 things wrong with NintendoAge. While you can argue supply/demand all day, nothing changes the fact that before NA came around, with NES, "I haven't found it" meant "I'll keep looking for it". I call this the "Braveheart's Wallet" effect.


Color A Dinosaur is always on Ebay in plentiful numbers. There are currently 10 copies of it going right now. Same goes for Kid Klown and Race America. I would definitely have to say that Little Samson and Bubble Bobble 2 are much rarer, as there usually are only 2 to 4 copies of each game listed at any given time. Remember, Flintstones: Surprise at Dino Peak is also always on Ebay with at least 2 to 4 copies, and nobody will argue against it being very rare.

You didn't read my posts at all, did you? Why make the thread at all if you're going to ignore my points?

Here's another point: eBay is not the absolute litmus test of rarity. One, because profitability skews representation. You're going to see more copies of BB2 and F2 - and specifically - because they are straight cash now. People are looking for them specifically to flip them. There are people out there with lists of just the valuable games, both popular and rare and they pick up those and flip them, along with other hunted items outside of games, as their sole source of income.

Other rare but cheap titles? Who gives a shit. How long have those titles for sale been available. Months? Meanwhile the valuable titles pop up for sale, gets sold and cycle off.

Two, a lot of positioning about rarity were set by misconceptions - such as the urban legend that Flintstones 2 is a rental only title when no one has any proof to that point.

[GrandAmChandler]

1. Super Mario Bros.
2. Super Mario Bros 2.
3. Dash Galaxy and the Alien Asylum

Don't mind me, I'm just here for the lulz.

[Rob2600]

Am I the only one who finds it silly trying to narrow down the third rarest NES game?

It'd be much more useful coming up with an overall list of "The Rarest NES Games" instead of wasting time on this pointless activity.

[sniperCCJVQ]

Panic Restaurent ?

[VG_Maniac]

You didn't read my posts at all, did you? Why make the thread at all if you're going to ignore my points?

Here's another point: eBay is not the absolute litmus test of rarity. One, because profitability skews representation. You're going to see more copies of BB2 and F2 - and specifically - because they are straight cash now. People are looking for them specifically to flip them. There are people out there with lists of just the valuable games, both popular and rare and they pick up those and flip them, along with other hunted items outside of games, as their sole source of income.

Other rare but cheap titles? Who gives a shit. How long have those titles for sale been available. Months? Meanwhile the valuable titles pop up for sale, gets sold and cycle off.

Two, a lot of positioning about rarity were set by misconceptions - such as the urban legend that Flintstones 2 is a rental only title when no one has any proof to that point.

I did read your points. Just because I have a different opinion than yours doesn't mean I ignored you.

[savageone]

It's been a long time since I've collected NES stuff so I'm kind of out of the loop with current demand/values/etc. I know a lot of stuff has jumped around in the last few years.

Wayne's World.

Here's why:
1) Late release (93?)
2) Movie license
3) 16 bit versions available
4) The 16 bit versions would have been covered more in magazines
5) Rental stores most likely would have stocked the 16 bit versions

That is my guess. All the rarest titles for any system tend to get clumped together, the game has to be up there though.

[Hep038]

Am I the only one who finds it silly trying to narrow down the third rarest NES game?

It'd be much more useful coming up with an overall list of "The Rarest NES Games" instead of wasting time on this pointless activity.


And you still posted twice in this thread.:roll:

[VG_Maniac]

It's been a long time since I've collected NES stuff so I'm kind of out of the loop with current demand/values/etc. I know a lot of stuff has jumped around in the last few years.

Wayne's World.

Here's why:
1) Late release (93?)
2) Movie license
3) 16 bit versions available
4) The 16 bit versions would have been covered more in magazines
5) Rental stores most likely would have stocked the 16 bit versions

That is my guess. All the rarest titles for any system tend to get clumped together, the game has to be up there though.

I remember I saw that game in a used game store once for $3.99, and I didn't buy it because I didn't realize it was rare at the time.

It seems the re-sellers on Ebay are always trying to get around $50 for it (buy it now only), but whenever someone auctions it, it only sells for about $15 to $20. I love it when the re-sellers overprice a game and continually have to re-list it week after week because it never sells...yet they stick to their price in hopes that they will eventually convince everyone it's worth that much.

[peeingas]

Two, a lot of positioning about rarity were set by misconceptions - such as the urban legend that Flintstones 2 is a rental only title when no one has any proof to that point.

Just like the urban legend that it's called "Flintstones 2" when in fact it is actually called "The Flintstones The Surprise at Dinosaur Peak!" There is no "2" in the title. I actually used this to my advantage back in the Funco days because (the very few times I actually saw the game there) they'd always price the game as the regular Flintstones, not realizing there is in fact no such thing as "Flintstones 2."

[SparTonberry]

I think most people call it Flintstones 2 because it's easier to say/write, and it is the second game.

[portnoyd]

Another thing to remember is while a good many NES collectors have found their way to DP and NA over the years, there is still quite a few who do not rely on either for assistance. All they do is google "nes rarity list" and they are taken right to the second link above. This is the way it's been for 10 years! Over many years, prices were influenced by, to be blunt, poorly informed collectors solely using eBay.


Here's another point: eBay is not the absolute litmus test of rarity. One, because profitability skews representation. You're going to see more copies of BB2 and F2 - and specifically - because they are straight cash now. People are looking for them specifically to flip them. There are people out there with lists of just the valuable games, both popular and rare and they pick up those and flip them, along with other hunted items outside of games, as their sole source of income.

Evidence:

http://cnj.craigslist.org/vgm/2614456755.html

[jonebone]

No, it's not but demand is tied into value, not to rarity.

I've been harping on Race America for years. I looked into it using resources that have since vanished and it was beyond the BB2 and Little Samsons. I have my own validation but no one cares and no one will care so let's just move on.

Just because it's mature doesn't mean perceptions are correct. And the mentality of pay more to obtain it... well, that's one of the top 3 things wrong with NintendoAge. While you can argue supply/demand all day, nothing changes the fact that before NA came around, with NES, "I haven't found it" meant "I'll keep looking for it". I call this the "Braveheart's Wallet" effect.


I see Race America more like Motor City Patrol. I think it doesn't turn up for auction very frequently, but there is always a supply of semi-reasonable BINs out there. If it's rarer than it's price tag, it'll jump in value so we'll see. That's exactly what happened with Power Blade 2 a couple of years back so maybe it's possible.

What's up with the NA hate? So NA has raised the prices in the hobby? I guess SGH is responsible for VGA prices spiraling out of control?

Horse before the carriage. Buyers drive the price, then buyers flock to collecting forums. Not collecting forums drive the price, with buyers jumping on the bandwagon.

[portnoyd]

What's up with the NA hate? So NA has raised the prices in the hobby? I guess SGH is responsible for VGA prices spiraling out of control?

Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

1. Community Full of Pussies: There's a damn good reason why so many people get ripped off at NA and why the Hall of Shame list is massive. Most people there will just lay down and die and be taken advantage of. The best term is: Suckers.

2. Want to Spend Tons of Money? Come to NA and You'll Get Fellated for It: Why Braveheart69, you spent $1800 on a complete DK Jr Math, CONGRATS! You spent an absurd amount of dough on something and bought it by brute force. CONGRATS! Quick everyone, post dozens of +1s saying congrats so BH69 feels better and justified on his purchase.

3. Brute Force Collecting: As alluded to earlier, why hunt for something when you can pay top dollar? Hell, why spend money when you can spend MORE MONEY? Sure the price goes up and it makes more titles out of reach for average collectors, but that's ok - it's the NA effect! This isn't even something some NA members deny; they are proud of it!

4. Elitist, Arrogant Asshole Attitude: God forbid you're not on their forums, or you just don't count. Hey, what's the reason why the Bio Force Ape homebrew is not included with the dozens of other homebrew/repros generated on NA? Right, because it wasn't generated by NA.

5. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part One: What the hell is with the numbering of releases? People will actually pay more money for a lower number, or even the same number (so they can have all the ones released at 33). That is some psychotic shit right there. How about you release the damn games so people can play them on their NES and stop trying to make it into some moronic game?

6. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part Two: Is it really necessary to make limited edition homebrew/repros and then for people to pay OUT THE ASS for them? Not exactly the same situaion but: Garage Cart. Came out in 2004. $700. SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.

7. The Campout: Are you fucking serious? Let's put a bunch of nerds outside overnight and see what happens. Other than nerd smell, probably not a whole lot BECAUSE THE GAMES ARE INSIDE. This could be the lamest thing to ever come out of the classic community.

8. Tolerant of VGA Horseshit: You don't see a "VGA GAmes - Show 'Em Off!" thread on DP, do you? Considering the number of people who say they don't like slabbing on NA's forums, you'd think that it would be frowned upon like it is here. Nope. This also covers the oozing over sealed games themselves.

9. Unlicensed Gets The Heave Ho: Somehow, someway, NA as a whole stopped caring, ignored, what have you, about unlicensed NES titles and so, the complete "licensed" collection was born. What the fuck is this about? The unlicensed games were released during the NES's timeline, period, so they are part of the set. What is the logic in downgrading the perspective of the NES collection? Maybe it's because Brute Force Collecting has made games out of reach for a majority of collectors? So now it's "I have a full licensed set, minus SE", which will turn into "I have a full licensed set, minus SE, F2" and so on.

10. The Worst Buyers/Sellers/Traders Ever: If they're not lowballing you, they're telling you just how good a deal they're giving you. I've never seen so many people pat themselves on the back for gouging people. And god forbid you don't fire off an invoice instantly, or you'll become a 'time waster'.

11. NES or GTFO: Despite being called NintendoAge, and having some pretext of dealing with all of Nintendo's systems, no one there seems to give two shits about anything other than NES. You'll see the occasional Gameboy or SNES post, and someone actually managed to get an almost complete set of pictures up for N64 stuff, but other than that, it's 99.99% NES.

12. Japan? What Japan?: Lets face it, there are a shitload of awesome games that came out for the Famicom that (for whatever reason) never made it to North America. But you sure wouldn't know it looking at NA. For a community that seems to know it all to the point where they keep track of back label variants, screw variants, and people who buy a second complete set of NES games because they're bored, you'd think SOMEONE would step up and make an attempt to catalog Famicom releases. Maybe this goes into the same category as Unlicensed games for them.

13. It's ALL About the Collecting: Take a look at the thread count on their forums. "Gamer's Gauntlet" is supposed to be their forum for actually PLAYING games, but it has about half the number of threads of their main collecting forum, less than half of the threads in their "Price Check" forum (seriously?) and 1/6th that of their Buy & Sell forum. Combine that with the fact that their database doesn't even have in-game screen shots, and it gives me the feeling that the majority of people there only care about collecting.

14. Crappy Web Design: I don't like to bitch about web site design, because I know I suck at it too, and I usually try to focus on content more than presentation, but frankly, NA's website looks like crap. My biggest complaint here is that every single page has that search bar on the left wasting a ton of space just so Dain's avatar can sit there. The forums are arranged pretty poorly too... looks like something out of the EZboard days of DP. Oh and let's get this straight: AtariAge was named after a classic era magazine. NintendoAge makes no fucking sense at all. Did Dain really need to piggy back on AA's good name?

15. Secrecy: Some people there no doubt get off on people wondering how much they paid for something, or even who bought a game, but most keep things secret because they're too embarrassed to admit how much they over-paid.

16. Me Too! Attitude: Lemmings come to mind. The leaders say something is so, and everyone tows the line without question. DP wishes he had that kind of influence.

17. Lack of a Real Community: During the good days of DP we'd give each other good deals, sometimes ridiculous deals, because we were friends and a community of people. Even if we didn't know the other person so well we'd give good prices. This is absent from NA, and DP largely, now. At NA it seems that selling you something at all is a huge favor, nevermind the inflated price. Additionally, let's have one of the biggest posters on NA, one representing the community both in presence and as a maker of repros/releases, sidedeal some goon on eBay for a sealed Flintstones 2, slab the fucking thing and then resell it THE NEXT WEEK for hard cash. Yeah, some real $en$e of community at NA.

18. Can't Sell Non-Video Game Items: Seriously? SERIOUSLY? God-for-fuck-bid someone buys a DVD on NA, the whole goddamn world will come crashing down.

19. Forget History, They Want Rarity: Riddle me this. What would you rather have: the original box art for Double Dragon - like the original painted and designed art - or a 5 screw Mega Man. Most NA members would opt for the fucking variant. Sure, why have the original art for a video game, let's go for the thousands of copies of a game of Megaman. Genius. And don't even bother writing an article for NA if it doesn't drip with misinformation (that NA members believe to be true, even if it's proven wrong) and talk of VALUE VALUE RARITY VALUE VALUE VALUE.

20. The Head of the NESWorld Forums For All The World To See: Yes, most of the NESWorld posters migrated to NA but do you people really need to be proud you 'killed' NESWorld's forums? Most of you NARCs (New age retard collectors) could give a shit less what Martin has done over the years to get NES to the point that bore your precious NA.

[skaar]

Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

1. Community Full of Pussies: There's a damn good reason why so many people get ripped off at NA and why the Hall of Shame list is massive. Most people there will just lay down and die and be taken advantage of. The best term is: Suckers.

2. Want to Spend Tons of Money? Come to NA and You'll Get Fellated for It: Why Braveheart69, you spent $1800 on a complete DK Jr Math, CONGRATS! You spent an absurd amount of dough on something and bought it by brute force. CONGRATS! Quick everyone, post dozens of +1s saying congrats so BH69 feels better and justified on his purchase.

3. Brute Force Collecting: As alluded to earlier, why hunt for something when you can pay top dollar? Hell, why spend money when you can spend MORE MONEY? Sure the price goes up and it makes more titles out of reach for average collectors, but that's ok - it's the NA effect! This isn't even something some NA members deny; they are proud of it!

4. Elitist, Arrogant Asshole Attitude: God forbid you're not on their forums, or you just don't count. Hey, what's the reason why the Bio Force Ape homebrew is not included with the dozens of other homebrew/repros generated on NA? Right, because it wasn't generated by NA.

5. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part One: What the hell is with the numbering of releases? People will actually pay more money for a lower number, or even the same number (so they can have all the ones released at 33). That is some psychotic shit right there. How about you release the damn games so people can play them on their NES and stop trying to make it into some moronic game?

6. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part Two: Is it really necessary to make limited edition homebrew/repros and then for people to pay OUT THE ASS for them? Not exactly the same situaion but: Garage Cart. Came out in 2004. $700. SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.

7. The Campout: Are you fucking serious? Let's put a bunch of nerds outside overnight and see what happens. Other than nerd smell, probably not a whole lot BECAUSE THE GAMES ARE INSIDE. This could be the lamest thing to ever come out of the classic community.

8. Tolerant of VGA Horseshit: You don't see a "VGA GAmes - Show 'Em Off!" thread on DP, do you? Considering the number of people who say they don't like slabbing on NA's forums, you'd think that it would be frowned upon like it is here. Nope. This also covers the oozing over sealed games themselves.

9. Unlicensed Gets The Heave Ho: Somehow, someway, NA as a whole stopped caring, ignored, what have you, about unlicensed NES titles and so, the complete "licensed" collection was born. What the fuck is this about? The unlicensed games were released during the NES's timeline, period, so they are part of the set. What is the logic in downgrading the perspective of the NES collection? Maybe it's because Brute Force Collecting has made games out of reach for a majority of collectors? So now it's "I have a full licensed set, minus SE", which will turn into "I have a full licensed set, minus SE, F2" and so on.

10. The Worst Buyers/Sellers/Traders Ever: If they're not lowballing you, they're telling you just how good a deal they're giving you. I've never seen so many people pat themselves on the back for gouging people. And god forbid you don't fire off an invoice instantly, or you'll become a 'time waster'.

11. NES or GTFO: Despite being called NintendoAge, and having some pretext of dealing with all of Nintendo's systems, no one there seems to give two shits about anything other than NES. You'll see the occasional Gameboy or SNES post, and someone actually managed to get an almost complete set of pictures up for N64 stuff, but other than that, it's 99.99% NES.

12. Japan? What Japan?: Lets face it, there are a shitload of awesome games that came out for the Famicom that (for whatever reason) never made it to North America. But you sure wouldn't know it looking at NA. For a community that seems to know it all to the point where they keep track of back label variants, screw variants, and people who buy a second complete set of NES games because they're bored, you'd think SOMEONE would step up and make an attempt to catalog Famicom releases. Maybe this goes into the same category as Unlicensed games for them.

13. It's ALL About the Collecting: Take a look at the thread count on their forums. "Gamer's Gauntlet" is supposed to be their forum for actually PLAYING games, but it has about half the number of threads of their main collecting forum, less than half of the threads in their "Price Check" forum (seriously?) and 1/6th that of their Buy & Sell forum. Combine that with the fact that their database doesn't even have in-game screen shots, and it gives me the feeling that the majority of people there only care about collecting.

14. Crappy Web Design: I don't like to bitch about web site design, because I know I suck at it too, and I usually try to focus on content more than presentation, but frankly, NA's website looks like crap. My biggest complaint here is that every single page has that search bar on the left wasting a ton of space just so Dain's avatar can sit there. The forums are arranged pretty poorly too... looks like something out of the EZboard days of DP. Oh and let's get this straight: AtariAge was named after a classic era magazine. NintendoAge makes no fucking sense at all. Did Dain really need to piggy back on AA's good name?

15. Secrecy: Some people there no doubt get off on people wondering how much they paid for something, or even who bought a game, but most keep things secret because they're too embarrassed to admit how much they over-paid.

16. Me Too! Attitude: Lemmings come to mind. The leaders say something is so, and everyone tows the line without question. DP wishes he had that kind of influence.

17. Lack of a Real Community: During the good days of DP we'd give each other good deals, sometimes ridiculous deals, because we were friends and a community of people. Even if we didn't know the other person so well we'd give good prices. This is absent from NA, and DP largely, now. At NA it seems that selling you something at all is a huge favor, nevermind the inflated price. Additionally, let's have one of the biggest posters on NA, one representing the community both in presence and as a maker of repros/releases, sidedeal some goon on eBay for a sealed Flintstones 2, slab the fucking thing and then resell it THE NEXT WEEK for hard cash. Yeah, some real $en$e of community at NA.

18. Can't Sell Non-Video Game Items: Seriously? SERIOUSLY? God-for-fuck-bid someone buys a DVD on NA, the whole goddamn world will come crashing down.

19. Forget History, They Want Rarity: Riddle me this. What would you rather have: the original box art for Double Dragon - like the original painted and designed art - or a 5 screw Mega Man. Most NA members would opt for the fucking variant. Sure, why have the original art for a video game, let's go for the thousands of copies of a game of Megaman. Genius. And don't even bother writing an article for NA if it doesn't drip with misinformation (that NA members believe to be true, even if it's proven wrong) and talk of VALUE VALUE RARITY VALUE VALUE VALUE.

20. The Head of the NESWorld Forums For All The World To See: Yes, most of the NESWorld posters migrated to NA but do you people really need to be proud you 'killed' NESWorld's forums? Most of you NARCs (New age retard collectors) could give a shit less what Martin has done over the years to get NES to the point that bore your precious NA.

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[PSerge]

so port, what's wrong with me having a party outside to meet new collectors and hang out with lots of great friends I met thru NintnedoAge? Why do you want to trash something I put a lot of time and effort into, when you probably haven't even looked at the pics online?

why is every on NA greedy? Do you how many of my NES games were gifts? Ooh I bet you think I'm nuts cause I collect trashed games huh?

I get you hate NA for what happened in NES collecting, but why continue to bash it when you've never attended any type of NA event or given anyone from NA a chance?

you don't like it we get it. Do you not have anything better to do? Why not go back to blogging about your logs?

[Bronty-2]

port get some exercise dude. you can't be sounding this bitter and cynical while being in good shape, its basically impossible. Exercise will make you feel better. Hit the gym.

[PapaStu]

Lets not do this in this thread.

Comments on 3rd rarest NES game? yes please.

Comments on the bane (or lack there of) of NA? NOSE.

[tom]

I don't even know what's the first rarest and second rarest games on NES are.......

[MachineGex]

I have been playing/collecting NES games since I got one in 1987-88. I have never run across a Flintstones:Surprise for sale.

Here are the games I have run across in wild in the last 5-10 years:
-two or three Bubble Bobble 2,
-two Power Blade 2,
-three Panic Restaurants,
-three or four Snow Bros.,
-two different Prototypes,
-one Gold NWC,
-one Bonk's (I need this one still, sold the first one years ago cuz I had it on T16)
-zero Little Samson's,
-zero Flintstones 2, (I still need this one, I have never seen one in the wild)
- 1/2 dozen Kid Klowns,
- 4-5 Color a Dinos,
- 4-5 Pro-Sports Hockey,
- a few dozen(at least) Race Americas.

I am not counting places like CGE. I am talking about Pawn shops, garage sales, flea markets, games stores, etc....

I actually think Jonebone is the person I would compare my list with...his list was:
If I had to make a guess, I'd go with:
1) SE
2) F2
3) Little Samson
4) Power Blade 2
5) Panic Restaurant
6) Bonk's Adventure

I might switch 5 & 6, but that is just because I need Bonk's.

[MachineGex]

I don't even know what's the first rarest and second rarest games on NES are.......

Top Gun is the rarest, Air Wolf is the second rarest. I just may have both of them for sale and can make you a great deal. Just shoot me an offer and remember, these are uber rare! Start out at a "C" note each. ;)

Reaaaaaalllllyyyy:
#1 is Stadium Events
#2 is Flintstones 2
...... and then probably ....
#3 & 4 go to Little Samson and Power Blade 2
#4 & 5 go to Bonk's and Panic Restaurant

[Braveheart69]

Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

2. Want to Spend Tons of Money? Come to NA and You'll Get Fellated for It: Why Braveheart69, you spent $1800 on a complete DK Jr Math, CONGRATS! You spent an absurd amount of dough on something and bought it by brute force. CONGRATS! Quick everyone, post dozens of +1s saying congrats so BH69 feels better and justified on his purchase.




Hey Port why don't you stop being such a baby and being jealous of my wallet long enough to get your facts straight. First off I've been on eBay collecting NES since 1998 I didn't just get my collection in 20 minutes as you somehow magically think happened. Second I never spent $1,800 on a DK Math, in fact I spent less than that on every individual item in my entire collection including my CIB Myriad, other than my CIB SE. So chill out and grow up!

[skaar]

Hey Port why don't you stop being such a baby and being jealous of my wallet long enough to get your facts straight. First off I've been on eBay collecting NES since 1998 I didn't just get my collection in 20 minutes as you somehow magically think happened. Second I never spent $1,800 on a DK Math, in fact I spent less than that on every individual item in my entire collection including my CIB Myriad, other than my CIB SE. So chill out and grow up!

You seriously bothered to come on here and say that?

This makes the whole thing even funnier.

So much butthurt. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it.

[Bloodreign]

Seeing Bonk as 5th or 6th rarest here makes me giddy that I only paid $20 for a loose cart in the wild about a year ago. :D

[pseudonym]

Top 3 is kind of boring at this point because it's always the same games being chosen - after Stadium Events, the remaining top games are usually a toss up between Taito's various late releases. I think hidden rarities is something that gets my attention more often than not.

[Dain]

I don't think there's a clear #3. The separation between F2 and #3 is pretty large IMO, and there are several titles that could be #3, all obtainable without too much effort. But in the spirit of this thread, I'd say it's a tie between:

Power Blade 2
Wayne's World

...with about 10 other titles close behind.

[ugly_monster]

So Wacky Races is up there too, huh?

[jonebone]

Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

3. Brute Force Collecting: As alluded to earlier, why hunt for something when you can pay top dollar? Hell, why spend money when you can spend MORE MONEY? Sure the price goes up and it makes more titles out of reach for average collectors, but that's ok - it's the NA effect! This isn't even something some NA members deny; they are proud of it!

So a couple of guys have deep wallets, and that's the entire NA community? Lol, I collect through reselling. I don't make anywhere near enough money to blow on video games... got a mortgage / other usual bills and I'm in grad school on top of that. There's plenty of "average" guys like me.

6. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part Two: Is it really necessary to make limited edition homebrew/repros and then for people to pay OUT THE ASS for them? Not exactly the same situaion but: Garage Cart. Came out in 2004. $700. SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.

Actually, it sold for $1,100, then Memblers copy sold for $1,200 to the same buyer. Now that guy is trying to sell the second copy for a mere $1,300, lol. But I think he's a lawyer and that dates back to your point #3. I think he's a funny guy, but it's ridiculous to assume that NA is responsible for people with high-paying jobs entering the hobby.


8. Tolerant of VGA Horseshit: You don't see a "VGA GAmes - Show 'Em Off!" thread on DP, do you? Considering the number of people who say they don't like slabbing on NA's forums, you'd think that it would be frowned upon like it is here. Nope. This also covers the oozing over sealed games themselves.

99.9% of the world doesn't collect video games and think that anyone who does is a fucking weirdo. Yet of course there will alwaysb be people in that 0.1% who try to bash others for their collecting preferences. You think everyone would be on the same team, but apparently we're far from that.

10. The Worst Buyers/Sellers/Traders Ever: If they're not lowballing you, they're telling you just how good a deal they're giving you. I've never seen so many people pat themselves on the back for gouging people. And god forbid you don't fire off an invoice instantly, or you'll become a 'time waster'.

So what happens to people who buy and sell on both forums? Oh my god, we have some of the worst buyers/sellers/traders lurking on here too!

11. NES or GTFO: Despite being called NintendoAge, and having some pretext of dealing with all of Nintendo's systems, no one there seems to give two shits about anything other than NES. You'll see the occasional Gameboy or SNES post, and someone actually managed to get an almost complete set of pictures up for N64 stuff, but other than that, it's 99.99% NES.

I'm a complete CIB N64 set owner and still hangout over there mostly. There's actually been a large influx of N64 collectors over the past few months, especially from Canada. NES-Only is definitely false, interest in other systems is taking off for sure.

12. Japan? What Japan?: Lets face it, there are a shitload of awesome games that came out for the Famicom that (for whatever reason) never made it to North America. But you sure wouldn't know it looking at NA. For a community that seems to know it all to the point where they keep track of back label variants, screw variants, and people who buy a second complete set of NES games because they're bored, you'd think SOMEONE would step up and make an attempt to catalog Famicom releases. Maybe this goes into the same category as Unlicensed games for them.

What percentage of users here, or NA, can read Japanese? Probably very little. You mean there's not a huge demand for games where people can't even understand what hell is going on? Shocking, I tell you.

14. Crappy Web Design: I don't like to bitch about web site design, because I know I suck at it too, and I usually try to focus on content more than presentation, but frankly, NA's website looks like crap. My biggest complaint here is that every single page has that search bar on the left wasting a ton of space just so Dain's avatar can sit there. The forums are arranged pretty poorly too... looks like something out of the EZboard days of DP. Oh and let's get this straight: AtariAge was named after a classic era magazine. NintendoAge makes no fucking sense at all. Did Dain really need to piggy back on AA's good name?

How many days, err, weeks, were the DP forums down this year? Design is secondary to functionality.

19. Forget History, They Want Rarity: Riddle me this. What would you rather have: the original box art for Double Dragon - like the original painted and designed art - or a 5 screw Mega Man. Most NA members would opt for the fucking variant. Sure, why have the original art for a video game, let's go for the thousands of copies of a game of Megaman. Genius. And don't even bother writing an article for NA if it doesn't drip with misinformation (that NA members believe to be true, even if it's proven wrong) and talk of VALUE VALUE RARITY VALUE VALUE VALUE.

Variant collecting is very niche. People only get to this when they've completed their set and are looking for something new. People that flock to value flock to sealed games.



Responded to some of your points just for humor's sake.

Anyways, glad to see MachineGex agrees with most of my opinions regarding the ones after SE / F2. Late Taito releases are definitely where it's at.

[Bronty-2]

I generally agree re late taitos. great games & not too many made, makes for fun collecting. I really enjoy of playing f2 from time to time - with all the focus on the rarity its easy to forget that its a good and fun game.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Are you guys being serious about Wayne's World?

I've seen that stupid game a few times and always left it behind because it was a THQ movie game - which in my experience meant that too many copies of the game were made, and that the game was absolute garbage.

[Aussie2B]

What percentage of users here, or NA, can read Japanese? Probably very little. You mean there's not a huge demand for games where people can't even understand what hell is going on? Shocking, I tell you.

Sorry, but that's a plain dumb argument. So now all Japanese games are text-heavy? Famicom in particular? Gimme a break. A small percentage of the NES/Famicom library is particularly text-heavy. There are boatloads of Japan-exclusives that have basically no text at all. There's really nothing that differentiates the US releases from those Famicom releases, except for collectors arbitrarily choosing to care about everything released in the US and ignoring everything released elsewhere.

Also, there's even less of an excuse when GameFAQs has an NES/Famicom FAQ completion project going where they're writing FAQ/walkthroughs on every single game. Even the text-heavy games are accessible.

Everybody is entitled to their own collecting goals, like for myself, for example, I don't collect PC games because I just don't feel like it and I need to draw the line somewhere, but if I was to ever try to come up with some "logical" reason as to why they deserve to be dismissed, everybody is welcome to tell me that I'm full of BS, which is exactly what I'll say to someone that whines about Japanese text in games that don't even have any.

[jonebone]

Sorry, but that's a plain dumb argument. So now all Japanese games are text-heavy? Famicom in particular? Gimme a break. A small percentage of the NES/Famicom library is particularly text-heavy. There are boatloads of Japan-exclusives that have basically no text at all. There's really nothing that differentiates the US releases from those Famicom releases, except for collectors arbitrarily choosing to care about everything released in the US and ignoring everything released elsewhere.


Most people get into collecting due to nostalgia. Did you live in a military family and have experience playing Famicom games as a kid?

I don't arbitrary chose to collect NTSC, that is what I remember as a youth and what interests me. If Japan wanted Americans to collect their stuff, don't you think they'd release here?

If you want to collect something different, Famicom is a great choice. But don't act like you can't understand why the demand for it is so small over here.

[Aussie2B]

Nostalgia doesn't really make sense for this argument in terms of collecting unless you're speaking of people who ONLY collect what they had as a kid. What's the difference between an NES game that someone has never played before and a Famicom game that someone has never played before? It's the same hardware and there's no nostalgia for the specific games either way.

Also, Japanese games are NTSC.

Your argument about if the Japanese wanted us to collect their stuff, they'd release it here is even more nonsensical than the one before. Publishers release games so they can make money; they couldn't care less if someone buys every single game in the system's library, especially if it's 20 years later. The Japanese don't care if you collect Famicom games, and Americans don't care if you collect NES games.

I never said anything about not understanding why the demand is small. I just take issue with your illogical excuses as to why Japanese games should be ignored. And I'm thinking you realize this because you entirely ignored everything I said about the amount of Japanese text in Famicom games.

[jonebone]

Nostalgia doesn't really make sense for this argument in terms of collecting unless you're speaking of people who ONLY collect what they had as a kid. What's the difference between an NES game that someone has never played before and a Famicom game that someone has never played before? It's the same hardware and there's no nostalgia for the specific games either way.

Why do I want to buy Eggerland when there's Adventures of Lolo? While your question is "what's the difference", my question is "what's the incentive?"

If you want every game in a series or Famicom exclusives, go for it. But if you are a casual gamer with a ton of backlog, I'd rather save money on high shipping costs and spend it on more games. To each his own, apparently I somehow struck a nerve which was unintentional.

[fergojisan]

Was Power Blade 2 one of those late-release NES games where stores had multiple copies of it for cheap and then one day everything was gone? I think that's how I got mine, in 1996 or -7, a Wal-Mart was closing out NES games for 5 or so bucks. I got that and 3 others, I think Shatterhand was one. Kinda sorry I opened it. Oh well, I may be able to pay a doctor bill with it now. :)

[Qixmaster]

Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

1. Community Full of Pussies: There's a damn good reason why so many people get ripped off at NA and why the Hall of Shame list is massive. Most people there will just lay down and die and be taken advantage of. The best term is: Suckers.

2. Want to Spend Tons of Money? Come to NA and You'll Get Fellated for It: Why Braveheart69, you spent $1800 on a complete DK Jr Math, CONGRATS! You spent an absurd amount of dough on something and bought it by brute force. CONGRATS! Quick everyone, post dozens of +1s saying congrats so BH69 feels better and justified on his purchase.

3. Brute Force Collecting: As alluded to earlier, why hunt for something when you can pay top dollar? Hell, why spend money when you can spend MORE MONEY? Sure the price goes up and it makes more titles out of reach for average collectors, but that's ok - it's the NA effect! This isn't even something some NA members deny; they are proud of it!

4. Elitist, Arrogant Asshole Attitude: God forbid you're not on their forums, or you just don't count. Hey, what's the reason why the Bio Force Ape homebrew is not included with the dozens of other homebrew/repros generated on NA? Right, because it wasn't generated by NA.

5. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part One: What the hell is with the numbering of releases? People will actually pay more money for a lower number, or even the same number (so they can have all the ones released at 33). That is some psychotic shit right there. How about you release the damn games so people can play them on their NES and stop trying to make it into some moronic game?

6. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part Two: Is it really necessary to make limited edition homebrew/repros and then for people to pay OUT THE ASS for them? Not exactly the same situaion but: Garage Cart. Came out in 2004. $700. SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.

7. The Campout: Are you fucking serious? Let's put a bunch of nerds outside overnight and see what happens. Other than nerd smell, probably not a whole lot BECAUSE THE GAMES ARE INSIDE. This could be the lamest thing to ever come out of the classic community.

8. Tolerant of VGA Horseshit: You don't see a "VGA GAmes - Show 'Em Off!" thread on DP, do you? Considering the number of people who say they don't like slabbing on NA's forums, you'd think that it would be frowned upon like it is here. Nope. This also covers the oozing over sealed games themselves.

9. Unlicensed Gets The Heave Ho: Somehow, someway, NA as a whole stopped caring, ignored, what have you, about unlicensed NES titles and so, the complete "licensed" collection was born. What the fuck is this about? The unlicensed games were released during the NES's timeline, period, so they are part of the set. What is the logic in downgrading the perspective of the NES collection? Maybe it's because Brute Force Collecting has made games out of reach for a majority of collectors? So now it's "I have a full licensed set, minus SE", which will turn into "I have a full licensed set, minus SE, F2" and so on.

10. The Worst Buyers/Sellers/Traders Ever: If they're not lowballing you, they're telling you just how good a deal they're giving you. I've never seen so many people pat themselves on the back for gouging people. And god forbid you don't fire off an invoice instantly, or you'll become a 'time waster'.

11. NES or GTFO: Despite being called NintendoAge, and having some pretext of dealing with all of Nintendo's systems, no one there seems to give two shits about anything other than NES. You'll see the occasional Gameboy or SNES post, and someone actually managed to get an almost complete set of pictures up for N64 stuff, but other than that, it's 99.99% NES.

12. Japan? What Japan?: Lets face it, there are a shitload of awesome games that came out for the Famicom that (for whatever reason) never made it to North America. But you sure wouldn't know it looking at NA. For a community that seems to know it all to the point where they keep track of back label variants, screw variants, and people who buy a second complete set of NES games because they're bored, you'd think SOMEONE would step up and make an attempt to catalog Famicom releases. Maybe this goes into the same category as Unlicensed games for them.

13. It's ALL About the Collecting: Take a look at the thread count on their forums. "Gamer's Gauntlet" is supposed to be their forum for actually PLAYING games, but it has about half the number of threads of their main collecting forum, less than half of the threads in their "Price Check" forum (seriously?) and 1/6th that of their Buy & Sell forum. Combine that with the fact that their database doesn't even have in-game screen shots, and it gives me the feeling that the majority of people there only care about collecting.

14. Crappy Web Design: I don't like to bitch about web site design, because I know I suck at it too, and I usually try to focus on content more than presentation, but frankly, NA's website looks like crap. My biggest complaint here is that every single page has that search bar on the left wasting a ton of space just so Dain's avatar can sit there. The forums are arranged pretty poorly too... looks like something out of the EZboard days of DP. Oh and let's get this straight: AtariAge was named after a classic era magazine. NintendoAge makes no fucking sense at all. Did Dain really need to piggy back on AA's good name?

15. Secrecy: Some people there no doubt get off on people wondering how much they paid for something, or even who bought a game, but most keep things secret because they're too embarrassed to admit how much they over-paid.

16. Me Too! Attitude: Lemmings come to mind. The leaders say something is so, and everyone tows the line without question. DP wishes he had that kind of influence.

17. Lack of a Real Community: During the good days of DP we'd give each other good deals, sometimes ridiculous deals, because we were friends and a community of people. Even if we didn't know the other person so well we'd give good prices. This is absent from NA, and DP largely, now. At NA it seems that selling you something at all is a huge favor, nevermind the inflated price. Additionally, let's have one of the biggest posters on NA, one representing the community both in presence and as a maker of repros/releases, sidedeal some goon on eBay for a sealed Flintstones 2, slab the fucking thing and then resell it THE NEXT WEEK for hard cash. Yeah, some real $en$e of community at NA.

18. Can't Sell Non-Video Game Items: Seriously? SERIOUSLY? God-for-fuck-bid someone buys a DVD on NA, the whole goddamn world will come crashing down.

19. Forget History, They Want Rarity: Riddle me this. What would you rather have: the original box art for Double Dragon - like the original painted and designed art - or a 5 screw Mega Man. Most NA members would opt for the fucking variant. Sure, why have the original art for a video game, let's go for the thousands of copies of a game of Megaman. Genius. And don't even bother writing an article for NA if it doesn't drip with misinformation (that NA members believe to be true, even if it's proven wrong) and talk of VALUE VALUE RARITY VALUE VALUE VALUE.

20. The Head of the NESWorld Forums For All The World To See: Yes, most of the NESWorld posters migrated to NA but do you people really need to be proud you 'killed' NESWorld's forums? Most of you NARCs (New age retard collectors) could give a shit less what Martin has done over the years to get NES to the point that bore your precious NA.

TOP 20 ANSWERS TO WHY WE SUCK

1. Yes, Dave we are all pussies. That's why i've been ripped off on Digitpress numerous times before NintendoAge and some of the MODs and ADMINS of the past here could give a fuck. We are such pussies we work with people on our sites so they don't get scammed. We will search out scammers phone numbers, addresses, etc to help the scammed get in contact with local authorities about the scammer. So yeah, we are pussies, but pussies who do the right thing and help people out.

2. Braveheart69 might be the coolest fucking person in the world - how dare you talk shit about one of the nicests people I've had the pleasure of blowing. He not only spends money on games, but also hjs. I mean a man and his wallet will do amazing things for a 3-screw, non hangtab, black box, non rev-a Soccer (NOTE: This game is NOT confirmed).

3. I don't know if you have collected long or not (/scarsm), but in any hobby, regardless of what the fuck it is, people will pay top dollar to have a collection faster than someone else. Hate to be the guy who tells you this, but there is no law against paying more to finish a collection sooner. In fact, there is nothing really wrong with it. I'm proud to say i've paid more than you on things, just to flaunt my e-cock, to say, "hey, i got it faster then dicknoyd".

4. Dave, do WE, at NintendoAge really think this? Sure, I'm arrogant, but not in any way, shape, or form elitest. Not true about Biofroce Ape Homebrew - if it isn't listed, it has been overlooked - and maybe a suggestion to add it in the section to one of us would have helped get it in the database. No database is perfect - look no further than this sites information. It's an on-going battle of adding information - so, from the bottom of my heart, I'M SORRY biofroce ape homebrew might not be in there right now. I hope you can accept my apology. BTW, it was numbered and pimped for sale on NA. I bought one!

5. #33 is a bitchin number fool. Seth can have whatever he likes. Not only are #s the coolest since streaming pr0n, but it is a wonderful way to keep track of homebrews and how many were released.

6. Garage Cart, was in fact a limited edition release - in fact it was so limited, that I didn't get one and i've been doing this retarded video game collecting things for years. How did I miss out on this when i buy every motherfucking homebrew? I've never played it, why not release this fucking game so I can play it bitches?! So, yeah, who started limited edition, numbered games? Not Memblers? maybe it was AtariAge?

7. Fuck you. Campout rules, you suck. Want a golden shower? Go to NA Campout and I will pee in and around your mouth. This is not frowned upon whilst at NA Campout, and is actually considered common courtesy to new people.

8. VGA is fine - chickty check yoself before you wreck yoself. At NA we accept everyone, even you Dave. We just don't really like Pedro. When VGA started grading fat dumps, I'll send them to Pottynoids poop blog.

9. Bullshit, unlicensed has never gotten the heave-ho. Some people just don't collect it.. You know what did get the heave-ho, on the digitpress forum? Sachen. It was never "part of a true collection", however, your sealed Myriad 6 in 1, which is a pirate at best (along with caltron) was included AND STILL IS INCLUDED (The Etler list is the reason for this and people like you). What the fuck are you even talking about? Was it not the members of NintendoAge that discovered the source of how and where most black cart color dreams games come from. Was it not Jason Smith who found Happy Camper, dumped it and made one bad ass motherfucking reproduction that you can probably still purchase if you want?

10. I will gouge and gape everyone that buys on NA - we do have the worst BST forum, in fact, so bad that it is the most active section of the forums. It is such a bad forum that you even came there to get top dollar for your items. I mean I would have liked to pay a lot less than you were asking for that aussie soccer game and your black color dream collection, but hell, you wanted "what it was worth". I didn't even have it, surely you would have given me a "good deal" had I asked, right? Your a fucking hypocrite Dave.

11. Yeah, NES or GTFO? Obviously this isn't the case - but NES is obviously the most popular system right now because it falls into a certain demographic that is on the site. So yeah, fuck you again. I've been working for the last two years with James Todd on a GBC Homebrew (limited to 100, don't miss out). We obviously don't care about anything but NES.

12. Famicom stuff is pretty obscure. I HIGHLY doubt popular Nintendo forums in Japan or other parts of the world give a shit about NTSC releases. People will start collecting it and it will get real expensive, real fast, because of our site, just you wait and see Dave. What people collect is pretty region specific, so yeah, we are *mostly* US released stuff. Big fucking deal. With that said - a good majority of collectors and my friends on the site buy famicom stuff, simply because there are rad games on the system.

13. Yeah, a lot of it is about the collecting. A lot of people collect because they like the games - shock to you? I'm pretty sure every collector on the site plays video games. If not, then I'm going to BAN everyone that doesn't. Good lord....

14. The Web design is perfect. nuff said. The name NintendoAge isn't about a magazine, but about a generation of gamers and what we grew up with - good fucking lord. AtariAge is a great website, so no discredit to them at all. BIG discredit to DP for allowing you to continue to belittle other peoples sites for no good fucking reason. This place, as it has through the past 6 years, continues to loose credability allowing cock flogging assholes like you to talk shit about individual members. Hate to tell you this, but they are real people. I'm really not sure why you are so bitter?

15. Who cares what people paid. BIG Motherfucking FYI Dave - there has been screcy in this hobby for years (contacts at game companies, what people paid for companies that made atari, releases from said atari companies to collectors, etc, etc), this is not just isolated to NintendoAge. Also, it is really nobodies fucking business what people pay for things. It's like asking someone you just met how much money they make. This has nothing to do with what people paid and that they might be embarresed.

16. Um no, people do not toe the line - we take constructive criticism very seriously and listen to our members. We do tell people what can and can't go (ie, see non-video game items) If someones a douche we will tell them - they will also tell us if we are douches. I have no problem with these - I am a douche, it is a known fact - people fucking hate me on many different sites because I always try to do the right thing - but it pisses people off or they are 100% right all the time, no matter what I might say.

17. Hate to say this too Dave, but we have a wonderful community of people at NA who give people GREAT deals. Some of us are great friends too. I'm sorry that you are not part of our circle of friends. Sounds similar to the DP of yesteryear when folks like you, grandamchandler, PapaStu, drexel, dave2236, DNG were all the pimpshiznit (not say these folks aren't anymore) - You know why this site eats a fat dick anymore? You. You are super cynical, mean to people and have no courtesy. Take a look at yourself and how you are preceived amongst many sites and many people these days. I can't even count on my hands and toes with people I know that have lost a great deal of respect for you over the years.

18. That's right, we don't sell non-video game items because its fucking bullshit to deal with when someone is scammed on not getting their blue ray dvds they bought on NA. We aren't fucking craigslist - unload your shit locally or have a goddamn garage sale.

19. Forget history? bullshit again. Many people on the site collect because of history - myself included - rarity is cool and a big driving factor on items/prices, but it makes sense.

20. NESWORLD - the greatest NES site around. We do not discredit Martin's importance to this hobby. His wealth of information and second to none - his artcles are amazing. his site is amazing. Are we the head that grew from NESWORLD? I don't think so - I rarely posted on NESWORLD - I'd agree with you that a lot of "NARCs" as you call them, do not care about NESWORLD, simply because they've never been.

with that said - best of luck with life Dave - try and be more positive. you will live longer.

if you guys (MODS or ADMINS) want, ban me from this place, please do... I'd rather not come back here and read anymore shit like this... it is irritating and totally unprovoked. It is, for lack of a better word, immature.

3rd rarest licensed NES game - Little Samson - hands down.

kind regards,
Josh

[Aussie2B]

Why do I want to buy Eggerland when there's Adventures of Lolo? While your question is "what's the difference", my question is "what's the incentive?"

If you want every game in a series or Famicom exclusives, go for it. But if you are a casual gamer with a ton of backlog, I'd rather save money on high shipping costs and spend it on more games. To each his own, apparently I somehow struck a nerve which was unintentional.

You're just pulling stuff out of thin air. I never said anything about buying Japanese versions of games that did come out in the US. Personally, I wouldn't, but some people like to do that. Obviously, if someone wanted both a full US set and a full Japanese set there would be redundancy, but it's not like there isn't redundancy for the US-only collectors anyway. What about people who have to own Duck Hunt, Super Mario Bros., World Class Track Meet, Stadium Events, Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt, and Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet? That's not even touching on all the variant nonsense that Portnoyd alluded to, what with the number of screws and stupid shit like that. At least for someone getting a Japanese version of a US game, they get different packaging, which is often really cool, and sometimes the game itself has some differences. So there's your "incentive" for those that collect both US and Japanese versions. This is all beside the point, though, because there are tons of Famicom games, many high quality and with next to no Japanese text, that didn't leave Japan at all.

Anyway, it's not about striking a nerve. You just posted some ludicrous stuff and I called you out on it, that's it. But apparently you'll never admit to it because you're quoting, reading, and responding incredibly selectively.

[calthaer]

We're being invaded by NintendoAge people who feel a pressing need to trade insults (and even slip sly digs at DP in the process, closing with what could only be a sarcasm-dripping "kind regards") on this site after a mod-type here specifically called for that sort of conversation to stop? I see an opportunity for increasing my personal "call-it before it happens" score:

In before lock!

[skaar]

Woo, meseta!

I think it's good that people can get together and talk this out.

I think this needs more booze in the mix.

[Qixmaster]

We're being invaded by NintendoAge people who feel a pressing need to trade insults (and even slip sly digs at DP in the process) on this site after a mod-type here specifically called for that sort of conversation to stop? I see an opportunity for increasing my score:

In before lock!

Me too, one before the lock -

Obviously an unwarrented post like Daves is going to strike a cord with me, and i'm not going to put up with it - so fuck him.

Sorry to the MODs at DP, but it is just bullshit to allow someone like portnoyd to piss all over people for no reason. So yeah.

[Qixmaster]

Woo, meseta!

I think it's good that people can get together and talk this out.

I think this needs more booze in the mix.

see, i've been gone so long that I don't even know what this shit is? you can have all mine.

[Bronty-2]

see, i've been gone so long that I don't even know what this shit is? you can have all mine.
as I recall some kind of goodwill system

where you get points for posting

but lots of points for starting a thread with lots of conversation (ie you get "trailer points" as the author of a busy thread).

So somehow someway I've upped somebody's meseta score by explaining meseta lol

[Aussie2B]

I HIGHLY doubt popular Nintendo forums in Japan or other parts of the world give a shit about NTSC releases.

What's with NA people thinking that only the US is NTSC? Get your info straight, people.

[Bronty-2]

eh but isn't there a difference - ie NTSC-J?

I'm not technically inclined so I couldn't tell you but I thought there was a slight difference between the different types of NTSC and that's probably what qix was getting at.

[Qixmaster]

my bad, yeah, US NTSC, not NTSC-J, which is signifcantly different

picking apart my post - nicely done - GET IT STRAIGHT! HAHA douchebag.

[MachineGex]

How about we respect the Mod and keep this one on topic. I am tired of seeing posts that have nothing to do with the topic. My responses are getting buried by BS posts. Plus, it isn't DP vs. NA...... I for one travel between both sites and enjoy them both.

[Bronty-2]

well I for one am just hanging on to see how port embarasses himself next. I think very, very few people have a DP vs NA agenda (as you say most of us post on both or at least lurk on both).

I'll say little samson for #3 although there are other candidates as ppl have said.

[Mario's Right Nut]

[QUOTE=portnoyd;1856133]Port's Top 20 Reasons Why NA Sucks

5. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part One: What the hell is with the numbering of releases? People will actually pay more money for a lower number, or even the same number (so they can have all the ones released at 33). That is some psychotic shit right there. How about you release the damn games so people can play them on their NES and stop trying to make it into some moronic game?

6. Limited Edition Homebrews/Repros: Part Two: Is it really necessary to make limited edition homebrew/repros and then for people to pay OUT THE ASS for them? Not exactly the same situaion but: Garage Cart. Came out in 2004. $700. SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.

Personally, I don't think that you can comment on homebrew releases until you've made one yourself. It's people like you that take the fun out of it.



7. The Campout: Are you fucking serious? Let's put a bunch of nerds outside overnight and see what happens. Other than nerd smell, probably not a whole lot BECAUSE THE GAMES ARE INSIDE. This could be the lamest thing to ever come out of the classic community.

CAMPOUT!!!
You're not welcome.



14. Crappy Web Design: I don't like to bitch about web site design, because I know I suck at it too, and I usually try to focus on content more than presentation, but frankly, NA's website looks like crap. My biggest complaint here is that every single page has that search bar on the left wasting a ton of space just so Dain's avatar can sit there. The forums are arranged pretty poorly too... looks like something out of the EZboard days of DP. Oh and let's get this straight: AtariAge was named after a classic era magazine. NintendoAge makes no fucking sense at all. Did Dain really need to piggy back on AA's good name?

Careful, Dain's a blackbelt.


17. Lack of a Real Community: During the good days of DP we'd give each other good deals, sometimes ridiculous deals, because we were friends and a community of people. Even if we didn't know the other person so well we'd give good prices. This is absent from NA, and DP largely, now. At NA it seems that selling you something at all is a huge favor, nevermind the inflated price. Additionally, let's have one of the biggest posters on NA, one representing the community both in presence and as a maker of repros/releases, sidedeal some goon on eBay for a sealed Flintstones 2, slab the fucking thing and then resell it THE NEXT WEEK for hard cash. Yeah, some real $en$e of community at NA.

See "Campout".

[pseudonym]

Nice to see that two NA mods (Qix and Braveheart) to let us know their feelings on the matter. ;)

Back on topic, sort of...

What percentage of users here, or NA, can read Japanese? Probably very little. You mean there's not a huge demand for games where people can't even understand what hell is going on? Shocking, I tell you.

Not much of an argument as there are lots of games that can be played without much effort. RPGs aren't the only reason people like Famicom games; there are lots of other games that were changed, sometimes drastically, when they were released in North America, or not released here at all.

12. Famicom stuff is pretty obscure. I HIGHLY doubt popular Nintendo forums in Japan or other parts of the world give a shit about NTSC releases. People will start collecting it and it will get real expensive, real fast, because of our site, just you wait and see Dave. What people collect is pretty region specific, so yeah, we are *mostly* US released stuff. Big fucking deal. With that said - a good majority of collectors and my friends on the site buy famicom stuff, simply because there are rad games on the system.

Give me a break. As opposed to foreign NES games from Brazil, China, HK, Korea, Europe that people like to collect, but might not work right in a North America NES. The whole "NA effect" I think is people pulling numbers out at random without much thought to the consequences (ie: someone might take you seriously and start bidding up games just because you said they're rare and should be worth more). I mentioned it in my earlier post, but people are too fond of saying things like "I searched for x number of months/years and only found y number of copies".

[skaar]

Is Mario's Nut the guy who buys all the Stadium Events?

I like NES, and I've grown up with it as a significant part of my life. I prefer the nostalgia and playing to the collection aspect. That being said, having decided "Hey I'd kinda like to own all the NES games" it's annoying to see such a simple desire has been so... monetized.

Throwing money at it doesn't seem like an appealing option, but it seems like the only option. For all the money I got on the protos/NWC/other junk, I guess I'd still break even... so some good came of it ;)

[Bronty-2]

I'm surprised that the japan cart "issue" is even being debated.

Most (not all) Americans collect american games. Period. They don't even like Canadian versions most of which play identical. Most american vintage comic collectors don't like UK comics even though they are identical except for the fact that they were 9 pence instead of 12 cents.

If its foreign, most (not all) american collectors aren't interested. Its natural to collect the stuff that came out on your own soil, going beyond that is great but not too many people are going to do it.

Its certainly not a NA-only, DP-only or even games-only phenomenon. It happens in a lot of hobbies.

Coins might be the most obvious example. US coins are collected like crazy and worth a mint but most US coin collectors kind of spit on rarer coins from other countries.

[skaar]

My grandma said to your grandma I'm gonna set your flag on fire!

[Bronty-2]

uh okay, I'll play too:

I like baby belugas

[peeingas]

Can't say I've visted Nintendoage very much, but Portnoyd's rant makes me want to go there much more than I have. Anything that inspires that kind of anger must be doing something right. And I'm only sort of kidding.

[Leo_A]

my bad, yeah, US NTSC, not NTSC-J, which is signifcantly different

They're the same television standard. There's no difference. It's all the same television standard which is known as NTSC.