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jonebone
09-30-2011, 08:48 AM
I did a search of the forums and found some very old threads (2005) but haven't seen it discussed much recently. And other PC forums appear to be dead or simply not there.

But there's some VERY interesting auctions ending today and this week for some of the rarest early DOS games out there. I'll update this thread after they complete so we can at least have 2011 sales points for reference. I've searched the forums and it's very hard to find any pricing data for many of the early 80's classics.

But on topic, Sierra Adventure games were some of the best ever. Really wish there was more of a market for them. Way better than many NES games that are 10x their price...

drmay
09-30-2011, 11:35 AM
I love the King's Quest games and I have collected a couple of them. But its hard to find them in decent shape.

Gameguy
09-30-2011, 11:51 AM
With the Sierra games it seems more people are after the collections rather than the separate releases, more specifically the collections that came out before the most recent ones since those were very basic and lacking of extras. I pretty much feel the same way, I'd prefer having the collections instead of the separate releases too.

I really should try to play some more Sierra games, I mostly prefer the LucasArts games to Sierra ones.

BlastProcessing402
09-30-2011, 02:41 PM
All my DOS PC stuff is stuff I got back when it was new(ish) so I don't know that I'm really a collector, but I do have a few interesting things, like the limited version of Wing Commander 3 that came in a giant box with a film canister inside.

Bojay1997
09-30-2011, 03:31 PM
It will be interesting to see how those end up given their condition and the fact that some are not on the "lead" or most popular platforms. I'm not a huge Sierra collector, but I do collect Apple II, Atari 800, Commodore 64, Amiga and DOS games and I'm up to a few thousand now in mint complete or new condition.

Kitsune Sniper
09-30-2011, 04:09 PM
I... guess I'm one?

I go for the crap, though!

jonebone
09-30-2011, 10:52 PM
So Mystery House $522 . Interesting indeed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290613881407?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Gameguy
09-30-2011, 11:20 PM
So Mystery House $522 . Interesting indeed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290613881407?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Your thread was about DOS/PC games and you're posting an auction to an Apple II game? That release is a bit different compared to the later Sierra PC releases, that was back when Sierra was first started and that first release was all duplicated by hand and sold locally. That first version is very rare, and that copy is still described as working which makes it even rarer. I'm not surprised by the final value it sold at.

Akalabeth: World of Doom is another game that would sell for big bucks for the same reason. It's important because it's the first in the Ultima series, and the original release is extremely rare because it was duplicated by hand and only sold locally. The first version of Akalabeth is even rarer than Mystery House, if a copy came up for sale and was well advertised prepare for a very large selling price.

calthaer
10-01-2011, 02:38 PM
The first version of Akalabeth is even rarer than Mystery House, if a copy came up for sale and was well advertised prepare for a very large selling price.

Somewhere I thought I read an interview with Garriott where he admitted to being curious what Akalabeth would go for...so he made a new copy of the game and put it in one of the old plastic bags he had and stuff like that and put it on eBay just to see what it would do. I wish I could find that interview.

Buyatari
10-02-2011, 11:44 PM
Your thread was about DOS/PC games and you're posting an auction to an Apple II game? That release is a bit different compared to the later Sierra PC releases, that was back when Sierra was first started and that first release was all duplicated by hand and sold locally. That first version is very rare, and that copy is still described as working which makes it even rarer. I'm not surprised by the final value it sold at.

Akalabeth: World of Doom is another game that would sell for big bucks for the same reason. It's important because it's the first in the Ultima series, and the original release is extremely rare because it was duplicated by hand and only sold locally. The first version of Akalabeth is even rarer than Mystery House, if a copy came up for sale and was well advertised prepare for a very large selling price.

Yeah I have to agree some of the early A2 baggie games have sold for 4 figures in the past. DOS/PC not so such so.

I think it the combination of love for the system and love of the game/series. There may be a few PC only collectors but it would be no where near the # Apple lovers. Games available on several systems almost always sell more if it is the A2 or Atari version. C64 and PC usually sell for less.

Buyatari
10-02-2011, 11:54 PM
Somewhere I thought I read an interview with Garriott where he admitted to being curious what Akalabeth would go for...so he made a new copy of the game and put it in one of the old plastic bags he had and stuff like that and put it on eBay just to see what it would do. I wish I could find that interview.

I know he did auction off an original copy of the game but I'm not sure he created one just to auction. He has his own crazy collection including shrunken heads and Russian flown spacecraft so he should know better than to do something like that.

However I do know he had extra labels and a few of those found there way into the market place in the 90's I assume from collectors who just contacted him and asked for one or two...

Sysop
10-03-2011, 08:07 PM
I... guess I'm one?

I go for the crap, though!
I go for anything, big box or otherwise.

jonebone
10-04-2011, 08:44 AM
And softporn adventure hit $810.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290614790860?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I didn't know there was a premium for the Apple II compared to PC version, maybe I can find the PC version much cheaper someday. I just remember my old DOS PC was some type of IBM and have no attachment to the Apple II stuff.

Buyatari
10-04-2011, 06:03 PM
And softporn adventure hit $810.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290614790860?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I didn't know there was a premium for the Apple II compared to PC version, maybe I can find the PC version much cheaper someday. I just remember my old DOS PC was some type of IBM and have no attachment to the Apple II stuff.

It might be cheaper but it won't be cheap unless you just get lucky. Sierra has a decent following and that is one of the more wanted hard to find titles.

How many other titles have a naked Roberta Williams on the cover?

Raging Prawn
10-15-2011, 10:43 PM
I go off and on again trying to fill out my Sierra stuff but I'm now mostly to the pricey or at least hard to find stuff and you can see wildly varying prices on these. My wife doesn't know how happy she should be that I didn't see these auctions (although the softporn adventure... I wouldn't have won that)

There are a few rare PC titles out there that can go for big bucks (pcjr kq, ecoquest 2) but the early stuff has been brutal to try and fill out. Theres also a lot of non adventure filler that will drive you crazy tracking down...

My favorites were, of course, the kq games (first printings were tough for a few of these), police quest, and space quests (still need the foldout episode 1 sadly....).

Man I would've fought hard for the mystery house though...

Edmond Dantes
10-17-2011, 04:44 PM
I don't really collect PC games, more like "just grab the ones I like."

I used to try to collect them, but too many headaches involved, and there are fewer PC games I like compared to consoles, and I own most of the compilations for games, companies and franchises I care about.

I'll still buy PC games though when I find one I've been looking for.

A Black Falcon
10-17-2011, 11:00 PM
One of the major problem with buying anything on floppy disks is how often those stupid things have gone bad...

jonebone
10-18-2011, 08:29 AM
And also, I think it is important to document this sale just for history's sake. "Trapshoot" for $1,315.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRAPSHOOT-ON-LINE-SYSTEMS-APPLE-II-1979-/290615387356?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item43aa06e4dc

Pic since this may not turn up ever again:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/TRAPSHOOT-ON-LINE-SYSTEMS-APPLE-II-1979-/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/$%28KGrHqN,!lcE5udp,WP%29BOhlcz3-dw~~60_12.JPG

And the text description of the listing as well:

TRAPSHOOT ON-LINE SYSTEMS APPLE II 1979
THIS IS THE FIRST SOFTWARE THAT ROBERTA AND KEN EVER SOLD
They only sold few copies from door to door.
This is the only copy known in existent.
The floppy that they used is verbatim and they just put a white sticker on it.
They also put hand writing add-ons on the orange paper master.
Comes with original baggie
First time on e-bay
Due to its age (32 years) sold as is.

Griking
10-18-2011, 06:57 PM
TRAPSHOOT ON-LINE SYSTEMS APPLE II 1979
THIS IS THE FIRST SOFTWARE THAT ROBERTA AND KEN EVER SOLD
They only sold few copies from door to door.
This is the only copy known in existent.
The floppy that they used is verbatim and they just put a white sticker on it.
They also put hand writing add-ons on the orange paper master.
Comes with original baggie
First time on e-bay
Due to its age (32 years) sold as is.



I think that this is an awesome find if any of it can be confirmed.

Casati
10-19-2011, 01:51 AM
Are there any good online price guides for old school computer games?

Jorpho
10-19-2011, 09:34 AM
Nope. The overwhelmingly vast majority of them aren't really worth anything anyway.

Griking
10-20-2011, 02:22 AM
Well, to be fair the same can be said about console games. I think the main reason that there isn't a guide is that there's just so many of them and probably no realistic way to document them all let alone price them all.

Gameguy
10-20-2011, 03:28 AM
Are there any good online price guides for old school computer games?
Just the same one that deals with console games too.

http://videogames.pricecharting.com/

It doesn't include all PC games but the more popular/valuable ones are included. Some games just don't turn up often enough to get a feel for pricing.

Polygon
01-01-2012, 06:09 PM
I suppose I'm a collector. I only buy games that I know I like because I grew up playing them or that I've done enough research that I think I will like it. Thinking about starting buying the King's Quest series. I'll need to find a 5 1/2" floppy drive though.

Sysop
01-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Just the same one that deals with console games too.

http://videogames.pricecharting.com/

It doesn't include all PC games but the more popular/valuable ones are included. Some games just don't turn up often enough to get a feel for pricing.
According to that website, my rarest game for the PC is Orion Burger, sounds about right.

Tokimemofan
01-02-2012, 01:28 AM
I suppose I'm a collector. I only buy games that I know I like because I grew up playing them or that I've done enough research that I think I will like it. Thinking about starting buying the King's Quest series. I'll need to find a 5 1/2" floppy drive though.

I have a few 5 1/4 drives, got spare cables for them too shipping may be a little high though but let me know if you want one

NayusDante
01-02-2012, 07:58 PM
According to that website, my rarest game for the PC is Orion Burger, sounds about right.

I never saw that one in stores, but I do remember seeing the trailer. Actually, I wasn't aware that it actually made it to release...

Polygon
01-03-2012, 01:27 AM
I have a few 5 1/4 drives, got spare cables for them too shipping may be a little high though but let me know if you want one

I'm assuming they're internal?

Flack
01-03-2012, 08:55 AM
That would be a pretty safe assumption.

Tokimemofan
01-06-2012, 03:36 PM
Yes they are internal but i forgot that one of the 2 has a broken board. The other is tested and working, I also have a few unopened boxes of blank floppies.

Genesaturn
01-06-2012, 06:38 PM
I've recently just started collecting old pc/dos games. My first PC growing up was a Compaq with a P1 133mhz and 16mb ram. I did a lot of gaming on that. I'm a huge fan of Sierra games and all the early Westwood Studios games as well. I honestly never owned any of the Lucas games until years later when DOS BOX came out.

I've heard my fair share of people complain about the PC collecting "scene" being weak. Look at it this way though, growing up..other than myself...I only knew 2 other people with a computer AND that gamed on it...but everyone my age had either an SNES or a Genesis at the time...so of course its going to be weak compared to the console collecting group.

Polygon
01-08-2012, 11:53 PM
Yes they are internal but i forgot that one of the 2 has a broken board. The other is tested and working, I also have a few unopened boxes of blank floppies.

Yeah, I would need an external. I have no open bays.

A Black Falcon
01-17-2012, 02:27 AM
It'd be pretty cool to have a 5 1/4" disk drive again, I haven't had one in like fifteen years now, but do still have some 5 1/4" disks... I wonder if I'd be able to use on on the computers I have. I imagine there's little chance it'd work on my newer computer (running Vista), but what about my P4 WinME machine? I don't know how I'd find out whether it could run one or not.

Polygon
01-17-2012, 10:27 PM
It just depends on what O/S you're running. I doubt you'd be able to find drivers for anything MS that isn't a DOS shell.

Jorpho
01-18-2012, 01:09 AM
I vaguely recall that XP does in fact have explicit support for 5.25" drives, but I can't quite recall. Failing that, there's always things like the Catweasel, Kryoflux, or FC5025.

Tokimemofan
01-18-2012, 02:47 AM
It does work as late as at least Windows 7 Beta 1
Edit: your bios may not support it check first

calthaer
01-18-2012, 09:21 AM
I thought for sure that, given the fact that we have USB turntables (http://www.usbturntables.net/), someone out there would have invented a USB 5.25" drive. I guess not, though - I see people doing experiments on that sort of thing, but no commercially-available unit. I'm kind of surprised.

Tokimemofan
01-18-2012, 12:47 PM
I thought for sure that, given the fact that we have USB turntables (http://www.usbturntables.net/), someone out there would have invented a USB 5.25" drive. I guess not, though - I see people doing experiments on that sort of thing, but no commercially-available unit. I'm kind of surprised.
They were obsolete before Windows 3.1 came out. 3.5 units were in use until Vista, due to the old F6 Driver Disk thing. More likely than not the read/write assembly is a bigger problem than the interface, someone would have to make new drives or find a consistent supply of old ones. The result is a price tag that we wouldn't pay and they couldn't sell.

jb143
01-18-2012, 01:07 PM
...compared to a USB turntable which isn't much more complicated than a turntable needle connected to a USB microphone.

Tokimemofan
01-18-2012, 01:41 PM
...compared to a USB turntable which isn't much more complicated than a turntable needle connected to a USB microphone.

A better comparison would be to Laserdisc, VHD, and CED.

Polygon
01-18-2012, 02:44 PM
Oh, and the sound quality is astoundingly...... bad.

Jorpho
01-18-2012, 09:34 PM
I thought for sure that, given the fact that we have USB turntables (http://www.usbturntables.net/), someone out there would have invented a USB 5.25" drive.What, you can't find one?

A Black Falcon
01-19-2012, 02:41 AM
It just depends on what O/S you're running. I doubt you'd be able to find drivers for anything MS that isn't a DOS shell.

My old computer runs ME, so no problem there. (Oh, and I checked its bios today, it does have 5 1/4" disk drive options. Nice.) As for putting it in my newer machine, the Vista one, though... yeah, my guess would be that the bios probably doesn't support them, but I haven't checked. It'd probably just make more sense to put it in the old one anyway, though, if I got a 5 1/4" drive that is?

... It would be able to see how many of those old disks still work though. :)

Griking
01-19-2012, 02:49 AM
What, you can't find one?

Actually I'd like one as well.

Why not be a doll and link to one that I can purchase from a known trusting retailer.

Jorpho
01-19-2012, 09:27 AM
That came out wrong.

Actually, I thought I did see a link to one the other day, but it was probably just a link relating to the aforementioned FC5025.
http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html