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Kevincal
11-14-2011, 12:32 AM
I compiled the list and many of the videos are mine. :) I tried to pick the best video for each game. Enjoy. And discuss.

Aircars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaOjwss7Pqs
Aircars 94 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzda2kbuTes
Aircars KA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiumZNm8iZk
Alien vs. Predator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEhFFU_vRZE
Alien vs. Predator Alpha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MTh2ZbTtdA
Alien vs. Predator Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uPhE3c0zM
American Hero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppiT2xk1whE
Another World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIoPCvO8jWc
Apeshit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCpANtGMiFY
Area 51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30vQJh7XBT0
Arena Football 95 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shi01tsQ5Xo
Asteroids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0fpUsm-Fec
Atari Karts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GUw7sK6ujY
Atari Karts Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKACbDRVplE
Atari Owl Project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4K7ABfzMeA
Atomic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THpfj7Mz5lE
Attack of the Mutant Penguins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlxYoxm_kuU
Baldies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4WGFVOz0q0
Barkley Shut Up and Jam! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqrwg3nWMRI
Battlemorph http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwUwuTzZGY
Battlesphere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b44myEd7Ng
Battlesphere Gold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCg9o65RynQ
Beebris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VizW67uUE6M
Black Ice White Noise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mldhlV8jmso
Blue Lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM52uZve25M
Bomberman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLXLpd_p3wY
Brain Dead 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzjtOYzjJ_Q
Breakout 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKuLdnwjU9w
Brett Hull NHL Hockey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uU6XdSDXMo
Brett Hull NHL Hockey CD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDF4kXT7_Ls
Brutal Sports Football http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjLZIIWrMY
Bubsy In Fractured Furry Tales http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrHNxtXCJhE
Cannon Fodder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njCmcn4n1RI
Checkered Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue-P-5Snydg
Club Drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWKn5CoITrI
Commander Blood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dowUI7tOXeA
Cybermorph Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-d0FHHYeZQ
Cybermorph http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWTbU83SJo
Dactyl Joust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG904E964Ts
Deathwatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jZJ2OU1iZ8
Death Tongue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVP6TpNBUpQ
Defender 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDv4xMeZnR4
Defender 2000 Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB4ojUN0xuk
DiamJag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PrIceGch5I
Doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81UcQhapYhs...8672B81E7DE71B0
Doom II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp9TPyhcW8U
Do The Same http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANT2O0uOv0c
Double Dragon V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGOMnsFU5yI
Double Feature #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Clx1gnk5g
Dragon The Bruce Lee Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Ep4Fhr9-w
Dragon's Lair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJM_HAk7Vzs
Dragon's Lair II Time Warp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obE6YVuUiVI
Downfall! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L09Vg8GIvk0
Eerievale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buWvnrEU1xI
Evolution Dino Dudes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYqgaOHyFPE
FACTS Demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eayMWYO-7c
Fever Pitch Soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5GkJblvR58
Fight For Life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nfr1eKxcxM
Fight For Life Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQb1pLMSSGU
Flashback The Quest For Identity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72IXFdZH-eA
Flip-Out!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I_w0DI-JJM
Frog Feast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBTWkOY3nY
Frog Feast CD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHabKB-Q1xE
Gorf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlVyQzk72U
Gorf Classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZO-kKAwOZg
Gorf Pluz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DP3UAkZ3ws
Highlander The Last of the McLeods http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl1mtfjQbME
Hoverstrike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Jew2DLI3k
Hoverstrike Unconquered Lands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkEAshOh2c
Hyperforce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDDrg2aEmBE
International Sensible Soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iAZn_eylPg
Iron Soldier Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YbcD_zw2tQ
Iron Soldier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35Nm4T4jq0
Iron Soldier II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c_BPuL8evo
I-War http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KCyN_VIpjc
Jack Nicklaus Cyber Golf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpeR3AZz7FM
Jagmania http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaMWBiBamE8
Jagmind Bombsquad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePhq0VK0YGM
JagTris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95zsQ4uubfM
Kasumi Ninja Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ1SQ_RIYgY
Kasumi Ninja http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM82PgC1VVU
Ladybugged http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvgyr02o3js
Livewire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si1CUaw158E
Lost Treasures http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwuLTIkCRSE
Mad Bodies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQyr_XGgS4
Martian Invasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D6VZ7TZ-5I
Missile Command 3D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdCNbUXWA7o
Myst http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWuYHcDqfQ
Native Demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd07QHBtYJI
NBA Jam TE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2NfiA-IVk
Orion's Jaguar Collection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_uSbJeVdk
Osmozys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tgC6Ayt1s
Painter Cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVK2GMZBB30
Painter CD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IyGbdx2s8w
Phase Zero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYJ2htVZH88
Pinball Fantasies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FriiBpdSDmQ
Pitfall The Mayan Adventure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqDFqJidVlo
Power Drive Rally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iydTrf8tLK0
Primal Rage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ggMRLgScQ
Project One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFLfij46FKc
Protector http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vly783ZnmBU
Protector SE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqSr3cz-M8
Raiden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICFQIo8pyZM
Rastersoft Fighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3URXFqUCD3U
Rayman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oBhb7m0so
Rayman Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfKQpPBAOwY
Robinson's Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDESIJhhc84
Ruiner Pinball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npU2T5RMbLk
Seaplane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_uSbJeVdk
Skycopter II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6yQLi0nDgg
Skyhammer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nk8iDyVTnQ
Slam Racer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTYWUCEuwE
Soccer Kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpBvwJApra0
SoulStar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX_4NsVJmXo
Space Ace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdeLba3YaqM
Space War 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckiwXxiMsU
Speedster II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljmTabXZ7Jw
Super Burnout Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJy9TBcw1M4
Super Burnout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbBIk9X15tY
SuperFly DX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1-AsvI4-PE
Supercross 3D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmTcGeqaRM
Surrounded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlF-6CzxxM
Syndicate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ciemSe7JW0
Tempest 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvhrE0-oX8w
The Maxx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypkxE4Ul78E
Thea Realm Fighters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUFiDeZsViA
Theme Park http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjCNn7zCH9k
Tiny Toon Adventures Alpha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXg6MWO-yDY
Tiny Toon Adventures Beta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gO5A6RJch8
Total Carnage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gdo0r1aos
Towers II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psleSdjRhFM
Trevor McFur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d5nto1NIz4
Troy Aikman Football http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzY4tgtqC0
Ultimate Brain Games http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhqWWOZHF2s
Ultra Vortek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAljho2FNn4
Val D'Isere Skiing & Snowboarding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNoooBnkX40
Varuna's Forces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjjrmNG75zI
Vicious Circle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOcb5hmakg
Vid Grid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fVHBsI0LI4
Virtual VCS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZpJNcuqnls
White Men Can't Jump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_pKP79tic8
Wolfenstein 3D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JjEdFhBXIY
World Tour Racing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG87wlQ8HEs
Worms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF11GgxD55g
Zero 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdXqNSnrAOo
Zool 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPnILPMOmc
Zoop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HprcfIjnmdM

Drixxel
11-14-2011, 02:31 PM
That's an impressive archive, thanks for putting it together and uploading your fair share of video! While it's a shame that there are so many unreleased/unfinished games on the Jaguar, it certainly means there's never a shortage of oddities and special finds to be had with this console.

Kevincal
11-14-2011, 03:09 PM
That's an impressive archive, thanks for putting it together and uploading your fair share of video! While it's a shame that there are so many unreleased/unfinished games on the Jaguar, it certainly means there's never a shortage of oddities and special finds to be had with this console.

Thanks for the compliment. :) Ya so many unfinished games for the Jag, but luckily a lot of them have been released and even some of them finished by homebrewers and released. The Jag has a great mix of games, from 16 bit type games to games that really show its potential, like AvP, Battlesphere, Iron Solder, Tempest 2000, Rayman. And more. :)

Steve W
11-14-2011, 03:51 PM
I got a little bit excited when I saw videos for unreleased games like Apeshit, but was a little let down when it was just 2 stills taken from GameFan Magazine back in the day... I would love to see actual footage.

Kevincal
11-17-2011, 12:57 AM
I got a little bit excited when I saw videos for unreleased games like Apeshit, but was a little let down when it was just 2 stills taken from GameFan Magazine back in the day... I would love to see actual footage.

lol ya sorry about that one. ;) Rick Rolled ya a bit there. :P

Where's all the rest of the Jaggy fans? :D This system is so cool, just check out the variety of games. :) It's like the ultimate 90's system, has everything from 8 bit to 64 bit style games. Carts and CDs. And all kinds of other cool stuff.

Leo_A
11-17-2011, 01:21 AM
I've a fan, even though I don't feel quite the same way that you do.

Many of the releases are pure junk in that list (Which contains quite a few things that barely even qualify as real games and at least one video that isn't even a Jaguar game - Area 51), games that were average at best, or games that represent a missed opportunity. For that last category in particular, World Tour Racing comes to mind as a prime example. With a bit of polishing, improvements to the frame rate, and a release date 5 years earlier than what it actually ended up being when Telegames picked it up, it could've been great and something still worth playing in 2011.

Instead it joins the plentiful ranks of what could've been on the system, right alongside many other games like Atari Karts and Checkered Flag (There's nothing worthwhile playing with that last one in the state that it was released in, but it was a start to a promising Virtua Racing clone just the same and I wish they had gotten another 6 months or so to spend on it instead of releasing it in the state they did).

I think there are 12 or so excellent games on the system and another 20 or so games that range from average to very good that are worth picking up (Within reason, I don't think the small handful of cd games that are actually worth playing is enough to justify buying the cd attachment and neither Battlesphere revision is worth the entrance price for someone trying to get into the system in 2011). But still, that's not a bad percentage at all in my mind for a console that only had about 55-60 games or so released during its commercial life and less than 20 games of any real value developed or published afterwards from Songbird, Telegames, the Battlesphere developer whose name slips past me, and the Gorf port for the cd drive attachment. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if the percentage of good to junk was actually close to, if not higher, than some contemporaries like the Game Boy and the 16 bit platforms.

I think it and the 3DO both are underrated systems with reputations that they don't deserve. There's no doubt that they were both commercial failures, were badly mishandled, and had plenty of junk that was published. But there's no shortage of excellent games on both platforms to be had in spite of that.

I think my personal favorite is Super Burnout. I love 2D sprite scaling racers and playing this still makes me feel like I just stepped into a arcade in the early 90's. It's not perfect, but the experience is hard to beat on a console. It still makes me wish the developers had focused on the 2D sprite scaling capabilities of this thing instead of wasted efforts on 3D games like I-War, Cybermorph, and many others. The games could've been great and it still would've set the system apart from the Genesis and SuperNes. And they'd actually be worth playing in 2011, unlike the situation with software like Hover Strike.

Kevincal
11-17-2011, 02:13 AM
Super Burnout is a great game, a cult classic. Rumor has it the game was actually developed in the guys apartment on weekend with a borrowed Jag dev system! LOL. That was in France. But ya, this game just oozes coolness.

I guess I am pretty hardcore but even I find fun in some of the Jags worst games. :) For instance I find Supercross 3d and Club Drive quite fun. I just like the early 3d stuff, because that is when I really started getting hardcore into being a gamer, right around 1994 when 3d polygon games were new.

Leo_A
11-17-2011, 02:39 AM
I just like the early 3d stuff, because that is when I really started getting hardcore into being a gamer, right around 1994 when 3d polygon games were new.

I do too if I think it's a good game. I love games such as Star Fox on the SuperNes, games like F-22 and LHX on the Genesis, Stunt Race FX on the SuperNes, the Iron Soldier games on the Jaguar, and a whole range of arcade games like Hard/Race Drivin'.

Sadly, I just don't think any amount of care really went into most of the 3D projects for the Jaguar. But I can certainly understand someone enjoying the early 3D era since I have an appreciation for many such projects from the time. including some that have few fans (Like those two Genesis examples I just gave, although Majesco must've agreed with me 12 years ago or so since they licensed and rereleased both of them years after their original release).

Kevincal
11-17-2011, 03:09 AM
I actually think Cybermorph is better than Starfox personally. :P Its free roaming, more difficult and longer game, better graphics, decent storyline and sounds except lack of music. control is good. And it is has the sexiest green lady around, skylar! :D

Iron Soldier on the Jag is SO good... So many people have never played that game and they are missing out. super smooth 3d graphics on the jag, killer music, great control, cool story and weapons. Mechs, and more. Iron soldier 2 is great too.

Leo_A
11-17-2011, 03:36 AM
While I can't agree in the slightest about Cybermorph even being in the same class as Star Fox, I certainly agree about the quality of both Iron Soldier releases. I need to see what Iron Soldier III was like someday on the PSOne (No interest in picking up a Nuon, so that will have to make do).

Drixxel
11-17-2011, 04:21 AM
...but it was a start to a promising Virtua Racing clone just the same and I wish they had gotten another 6 months or so to spend on it instead of releasing it in the state they did).

I definitely agree on this point, and I think that sentiment applies to just about any of the mediocre-to-bad games in the Jaguar library. There's a general sense of incompleteness about this console which is supported by the sheer number of unfinished games for it, projects that were undertaken by aspiring developers but ultimately abandoned for a number of reasons. The Jaguar is, perhaps, the most grievous example of what happens when the first party neglects its third party software developers. Rarely has such potential been squandered in the video games industry.

Kevincal
11-17-2011, 02:24 PM
There are many awesome 3rd party games on the Jag though. :) Wolfenstein 3d, Doom, AvP, Zool 2, Iron Soldier, Rayman, Myst, NBA Jam TE, Pinball Fantasies, Power Drive Rally, Super Burnout, Worms, to name some. :)

But ya, overall Atari didnt do a very good job supporting the 3rd party devs, to be fair though, Atari could barely afford to focus on their own efforts, let alone babysit the 3rd parties. Companies like Nintendo have the luxury of excess money, Atari was barely scraping by in the mid 90's and even had to sue Sega to keep the company alive another year or 2 in 1994 - 1995.

Leo_A
11-17-2011, 04:55 PM
Companies like Nintendo have the luxury of excess money, Atari was barely scraping by in the mid 90's and even had to sue Sega to keep the company alive another year or 2 in 1994 - 1995.

Seems like they still had millions in the bank when JTS acquired them. As I recall, their bankroll was one of the key reasons behind why they purchased Atari.

Edit - According to this, they had $50 million in cash when that happened.

http://www.system16.com/atari_history.php

Kevincal
11-17-2011, 08:54 PM
ok, but how much money did nintendo and sega have in 1995? I bet a hell of a lot more than 50 mill. 50 mill wouldnt last long in the video game world where you are trying to sell systems and games and advertising. Not to mention I know for a fact Atari owed a bunch of 3rd party developers and Atari employees.

SpaceHarrier
11-18-2011, 04:35 AM
That Club Drive video.. a couple minutes into it and the game goes absolutely haywire and crashes, then takes a couple system reboots to get going again.. good stuff! LOL

(4:52 for fun and good times)

Leo_A
11-18-2011, 09:57 AM
ok, but how much money did nintendo and sega have in 1995? I bet a hell of a lot more than 50 mill. 50 mill wouldnt last long in the video game world where you are trying to sell systems and games and advertising. Not to mention I know for a fact Atari owed a bunch of 3rd party developers and Atari employees.

I wasn't out to argue that they had the same financial resources as Nintendo, Sega, or Sony.

jb143
11-18-2011, 10:17 AM
I had been interested in the Jaguar ever since I saw the ads for the Tiny Toons game. The videos above were the first time I've seen the game in action...too bad it was never finished though. Quite a few of the games were pretty impressive looking for the time (such as Alien vs. Predator). Too bad I've never seen a system in the wild though:( just a few random games here and there.

Steve W
11-19-2011, 12:23 AM
Too bad I've never seen a system in the wild though:( just a few random games here and there.


Strangely, two or three retro game stores in this area have loose copies of Doom for the Jag... for around $29.99. I have no idea why different store chains all have them priced the same. Movie Trading Company is one of them, lately they've gotten pretty outrageous with pricing on some items. 3DO games for some reason tend to be priced beyond what anyone would pay for. And yet, I do occasionally see them sell. I guess to them they have no clue about these offbeat consoles, so they think that the games must be priced higher since they're scarce in comparison to PS1 games. I bought a Jaguar controller at a MTC location, and the guy behind the counter was dumbfounded by it. Had no idea what it was or why there were so many buttons on it. Probably the kind of guys who refuse to play a game that doesn't have an online multiplayer component.

Kevincal
11-20-2011, 03:33 AM
That Club Drive video.. a couple minutes into it and the game goes absolutely haywire and crashes, then takes a couple system reboots to get going again.. good stuff! LOL

(4:52 for fun and good times)

Haha, ya that was pretty funny, game had a meltdown. :) When you saw the game trying to reboot, that was me quickly taking it in and out of the system blowing on the contacts trying to get it working LOL... classic gaming at its finest :)


I wasn't out to argue that they had the same financial resources as Nintendo, Sega, or Sony.

I find it hard to believe Atari didnt use any of that 50 million and that JTS or whoever got the full 50 mill in 1996, pretty sure Atari got that money in 1993 and I thought used a lot of it to sell Jaguars etc.


I had been interested in the Jaguar ever since I saw the ads for the Tiny Toons game. The videos above were the first time I've seen the game in action...too bad it was never finished though. Quite a few of the games were pretty impressive looking for the time (such as Alien vs. Predator). Too bad I've never seen a system in the wild though:( just a few random games here and there.

Ya I guess Atari had problems dealing with the developers of tiny toons or problems with warner brothers over rights or something. Atari probably desperately want that title on their system since it was such a popular cartoon. Same thing with MK3, it was supposed to be on Jag CD but midway backed out for obvious reasons, not enough money to make on the Jag in 1995, all the devs abandoned ship on the Jag 3do and 32x in late 1995 and boarded the ps1 saturn and n64 ships :) M2 ship got lost at sea. :P and sunk.

Leo_A
11-20-2011, 06:36 AM
I find it hard to believe Atari didnt use any of that 50 million and that JTS or whoever got the full 50 mill in 1996, pretty sure Atari got that money in 1993 and I thought used a lot of it to sell Jaguars etc.

It's not unusual for a business to go under while still holding on to significant financial resources. By 1996, it was quite clear that things were a lost cause and that their time as a viable company was at a end (They had $12 million in sales during the first 9 months of 1995 for an overall loss of $22 million, so they were essentially spending nearly three dollars for every dollar they earned). That simply can't be maintained for any period of time.

Rather than bleed their remaining funds in their bank account dry or try to hang on so long that they ended up in the red in a futile effort to keep going, they used it as an asset to make the company more valuable. If they had blown that money trying to stay around for a while longer, the shareholders probably would've got next to nothing. Instead, Atari's shareholders got shares in JTS, a hopefully viable company (Although I believe it ultimately wasn't).

JTS wanted them for their $50 million, more or less. At the time it was announced, Jack Tramiel stated that "we had a surplus of cash and I felt we needed to invest this cash in areas other than the game business."

Steve W
11-21-2011, 12:08 AM
Aircars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaOjwss7Pqs
Aircars 94 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzda2kbuTes
Aircars KA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiumZNm8iZk

Why did you put up three links to Aircars? Is there any difference between the first mail-order batch and the later KA release? I'd like to know because I'm one of those people who mail-ordered it back in the day, and I'd love to know that the later re-release plays better (or at least doesn't suck quite as much).

Kevincal
11-21-2011, 03:21 AM
Why did you put up three links to Aircars? Is there any difference between the first mail-order batch and the later KA release? I'd like to know because I'm one of those people who mail-ordered it back in the day, and I'd love to know that the later re-release plays better (or at least doesn't suck quite as much).

All 3 of these actually do have in game differences. :) Regular old Aircars is the game most people (99%) got in 1995 when they bought Aircars. (aircars KA was dumped recently and something like 100 copies were made and sold) Aircars KA, is MUCH more rare, atleast the one that was sold in 1995 at the same time of Aircars, supposedly only about 5 are known to exist (100 rerelease), I actual had one of these 5 originals and sold it on ebay a week or 2 ago for $340. Original Aircar KAs previously sold for closer to 500 but only came up for sale once every 2-3 years! If that! With the bad economy it took me months to sell it for only 340. Also the rerelease didnt help... The KA version has bigger explosions, a different heads up display, and some other stuff, from what I read the KA version is a bit better, but that is not saying much for this sorry game. Though many people say this game was designed with multiplayer in mind and is much more fun when played with up to 8 other people. The same people / company who made this game also made the catbox.

Now Aircars 94 is a recent release by the Jaguar homebrew community, and is an earlier build of the regular Aircars, so I believe it is an alpha or beta but dont quote me on that.

Leo_A
11-21-2011, 09:11 AM
How do you like Total Carnage? Never had the urge to buy that thanks to having the arcade version in compilation form on Midway Arcade Treasures 2 (And dual analog sticks certainly help enjoy a game like this).

I can't imagine enjoying it with the standard controller. Does it support the Pro controller so you could use 4 of the 6 face buttons to properly fire with (Ala Robotron 2084 on the William's Collection on systems like the SuperNes and Playstation)?

Edit - Looks like it does.

http://www.atariage.com/controller_page.html?SystemID=JAGUAR&ControllerID=20

Manga4life
11-21-2011, 10:20 AM
Great post! Man, some of these games I've never played before and now that I can see what the games are like I may just grab some Jaguar games for the ol' cat in the near future, it would be the first time I've bought a Jaguar game since 2003 when I grab a few used ones in a gaming shop. After watching some of these videos I'm now thinking there is 3-4 games that I'd like to pick up, aside from the average Jaguar "hits" I don't really have many abstract titles so this thread will certainly make a nice reference guide.

Kevincal
11-22-2011, 03:46 AM
How do you like Total Carnage? Never had the urge to buy that thanks to having the arcade version in compilation form on Midway Arcade Treasures 2 (And dual analog sticks certainly help enjoy a game like this).

I can't imagine enjoying it with the standard controller. Does it support the Pro controller so you could use 4 of the 6 face buttons to properly fire with (Ala Robotron 2084 on the William's Collection on systems like the SuperNes and Playstation)?

Edit - Looks like it does.

http://www.atariage.com/controller_page.html?SystemID=JAGUAR&ControllerID=20

I have played TC for a total of 5 minutes maybe. I sold it. I mean, you can buy the game for the SNES for loads cheaper. Not sure of the differences between versions. Ya the controls are kinda wonky with the 3 button jag pad. Not sure about pro controller.

Still to be fair and give credit to Songbird (who got the game released) it is a good game and any new Jaguar game is cool. Its just tough to stomach the fact that basically the exact same game can be had for so much cheaper.


Great post! Man, some of these games I've never played before and now that I can see what the games are like I may just grab some Jaguar games for the ol' cat in the near future, it would be the first time I've bought a Jaguar game since 2003 when I grab a few used ones in a gaming shop. After watching some of these videos I'm now thinking there is 3-4 games that I'd like to pick up, aside from the average Jaguar "hits" I don't really have many abstract titles so this thread will certainly make a nice reference guide.

Thanks :) ya I thought it would be cool to show off Jag games this way, people can just browse and click to see a game. Some of the games in the list though were never released and you cant buy them anywhere.

Kevincal
11-23-2011, 02:02 PM
Yet another new Jaguar game released :)

Kobayashi Maru - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LzbjRPcvc

Kevincal
11-26-2011, 03:11 PM
If anyone wants to dork out to a huge Jaguar collection overload pictures of lots of cool rare stuff etc with some of the best video game music ever made (tempest 2000) check out my vid ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgE3BvtVVc

Kevincal
12-01-2011, 04:32 AM
Did an almost complete run of Atari Karts. Jaguar Aces is too hard for me though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mA-UXvP4Kg

Steve W
12-01-2011, 09:54 PM
Yet another new Jaguar game released :)

Kobayashi Maru - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LzbjRPcvc

Wow, that's got grating sound effects. I had to mute my computer just to watch it. If the programmer had varied the pitch and volume of each shot to give the firing sound effect a little variety, it would have been better.


with some of the best video game music ever made (tempest 2000) check out my vid ;)

As far as I'm concerned, the best music on the Jaguar is the stuff from Battlemorph. I love the hell out of the tunes in that game, they totally complement the action perfectly.

Leo_A
12-01-2011, 10:02 PM
Wow, that's got grating sound effects. I had to mute my computer just to watch it. If the programmer had varied the pitch and volume of each shot to give the firing sound effect a little variety, it would have been better.

I agree, the audio all but ruins what is otherwise a decent Time Pilot clone.

Kevincal
12-02-2011, 04:19 AM
Yep Battlemorph music is indeed great. :) Hear some here. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBCkxIaRLC4

Kevincal
12-10-2011, 03:17 PM
check out this unreleased jag fighting game graphics look a mix of mortal kombat and killer instinct i think the animation looks really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D85aZNQPP1w

tom
12-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Agree with Cybermorph, way better game than Star Fox, more depth, longer game play, more challenging.
Don't forget though, Star Fox is by Nintendo and mostly US citizens are like 'uh oh it's Nintendo, it's great, a classic', even a shallow game.

Leo_A
12-10-2011, 05:24 PM
Agree with Cybermorph, way better game than Star Fox, more depth, longer game play, more challenging.
Don't forget though, Star Fox is by Nintendo and mostly US citizens are like 'uh oh it's Nintendo, it's great, a classic', even a shallow game.

It has more going for it than just Nintendo's reputation. Far more interesting gameplay, one of the best music scores ever seen in a videogame, far more variety, far higher production values, etc.

Cybermorph is a tech demo that forgot it was intended to provide entertainment.

Kevincal
12-10-2011, 08:02 PM
Starfox SNES is indeed an overhyped game with not good 3d graphics (snes 3d is just plain, meh, jaguar 3d is better obviously, doom avp tempest wolf 3d cybermorph iron soldier etc etc etc).. starfox snes has good sounds, story, game play and characters, bit its lacking in depth, graphics and ya.

cybermorph is a massive game where you can fly anywhere, better graphics than starfox, good control, decent story, lacking character development and in game music, but the cool sounds effects and your lady friend skylar make up for lack of music.

starfox = overrated
cybermorph = underrated.

lets call them equal. in reality they are similar games but also obvious differences, one is one rails other is free roaming.

that said, starfox 64 is awesome and a better game than cybermorph

but maybe then we sould compare battlemorph and starfox 64. :) Both great games.

tom
12-11-2011, 04:59 AM
It has more going for it than just Nintendo's reputation. Far more interesting gameplay, one of the best music scores ever seen in a videogame, far more variety, far higher production values, etc.

Cybermorph is a tech demo that forgot it was intended to provide entertainment.

Obviously a person who never even played/finished Cybermorph.

Leo_A
12-11-2011, 05:04 AM
Obviously a person who never even played/finished Cybermorph.

If that's the best you can come up with, I feel vindicated.

tom
12-11-2011, 07:58 AM
Of course you do, I wouldn't expect anything else.

Kevincal
12-11-2011, 02:42 PM
Ya if you watch 99% of cybermorph videos on youtube, its your typical guy who is mostly a nintendo fan and just bought a jaguar for curiosity, they fly around for the first time hitting the mountains and laughing about skylar, and then declare the game crap compared to Starfox LOL ;)

I did a partial cybermorph playthrough that shows a good chunk of the game and also shows how the game can be very fun when its played properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWTbU83SJo

RJ
12-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Leo A= teh wrong. Cybermorph a tech demo? No way.

StarFox was recommended to me when I used to frequent gaming stores. I got it home & wasnt impressed one bit; in fact having owned a Jag/Cybermorph from almost Day 1, after trying out Star Fox I thought "Wow, Cybermorph is so much better."

Leo_A
12-11-2011, 08:44 PM
I'll let a video of a run through of Star Fox do my talking about which is easily the better game of the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzrtE9gorE

Kevincal
12-12-2011, 03:07 PM
starfox has way more in common with blue lightning on the jag cd than cybermorph. and i would argue blue lightning on the jag has better graphics than starfox. gameplay is nearly identical (shoot stuff on rails) cybermorph is a massive game with free roaming flying levels with much more to do than just shoot enemies.

blue lightning - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM52uZve25M

cybermorph - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWTbU83SJo

Drixxel
12-12-2011, 04:45 PM
Ah, Cybermorph versus Star Fox - one of the most irrelevant gaming rivalries of 1993, still going strong today!

RJ
12-12-2011, 09:13 PM
Uh...that video didnt prove anything except you fly forever in a straight line.

There's a Cybermorph boss like that final face boss in StarFox, but in Cybermorph it CHASES YOU around the planet, it takes more skill to destroy than simply dodging what it throws at you.

Leo_A
12-12-2011, 10:42 PM
Uh...that video didnt prove anything except you fly forever in a straight line.

We're debating their merits as entertainment, not their technical merits.

Drixxel
12-13-2011, 03:22 AM
Uh...that video didnt prove anything except you fly forever in a straight line.

There's a Cybermorph boss like that final face boss in StarFox, but in Cybermorph it CHASES YOU around the planet, it takes more skill to destroy than simply dodging what it throws at you.

Ehh, "flying forever in a straight line" is as much a criticism against rail shooters in general than it is against Star Fox specifically. Also, to Star Fox's effective-use-of-3D credit, there's a lot more maneuvering over, under and through obstacles than there is in Cybermorph, despite Cybermorph's free roaming 3D gameplay. Can't deny the fun and excitement of a good, simple dodge.

Hawksmoor
12-13-2011, 01:52 PM
Perhaps this thread needs to now be renamed "Starfox vs. Cybermorph".