PETA versus Tanooki wearing Mario

[treismac]

http://features.peta.org/mario-kills-tanooki/images/header-logo.png

http://features.peta.org/mario-kills-tanooki/?utm_campaign=Mario%20Kills%20Tanooki&utm_source=PETA%20Pitch&utm_medium=Media

I snagged this off of Kotaku, by the way. The game itself is an interesting little take on my favorite Mario power-up seeking revenge.

I say Nintendo makes a game where you are a Tanooki that saves other animals to judo flip this situation in Nintendo's favor. They could donate part of the proceeds to both PETA and ending the Tanooki fur trade in Japan. Everyone would win: Taookis and gamers!

The PETA assertion that Nintendo encourages or condones fur use by Mario wearing a Tanooki suit is ridiculous, however. If I was part of their PR or advertising, I would have advised/written something much more savvy that sort of threw a challenge Nintendo's way to help rather than to insult them. Anyway...

[Collector_Gaming]

*smacks forehead*
i got nothing. seriously i got nothing.

hey peta
:deadhorse:

[BlastProcessing402]

*smacks forehead*
i got nothing. seriously i got nothing.

hey peta
:deadhorse:

That emoticon encourages abuse of our animal equals.

[Amon_Re]

Maybe someone should remind PETA of the survival chances of animals in their own shelters.....

In the meanwhile, I'll go eat some bacon.

[Berserker]

Is it wrong to want a full game done in this bloodied apocalyptic mushroom kingdom style? Edmund McMillen needs to get on this ASAP.

And what I learned from this game is that it's wrong to take skin from Tanookis. It is, however, apparently OK to smash them in the face with blocks and pipes and throw them down bottomless pits.

[Collector_Gaming]

That emoticon encourages abuse of our animal equals.

actually i love animals. I use to have horses when i was younger.
I've always had a dog. about 5 cats in my life time. 2 Sheep. 2 Chickens. 3 Rabbits. 1 cow. 7 birds i believe. and god knows how many gold fish +1 beta fish.

Its just i hate peta because they take this whole thing to way beyond where it needs to be. Their basic input on what needs to be done is humans should be wiped from existance so the animals can run free and do what they want.

Imagine if carnivore animals outside of us... had their own peta organizations.....

:deadhorse:

[Aussie2B]

Just another day in PETA stupidity. They give real activists of animal-related causes a bad name.

From what I personally know about the tanuki fur industry, I don't think it's a particularly popular fur or THAT widely used. In fact, there's a problem with "faux fur" being sold in America that is actually genuine tanuki fur. I don't know what the hell is up with that.

I am against killing animals for fashion. I think that's majorly messed up. I'm also against killing animals purely for sport, or killing animals in a way that's less humane than other reasonable options. But if you're going to eat it or if you're from a culture that needs the fur/hide, that's a different matter. PETA is just all kinds of stupid.

[Gameguy]

Please let Nintendo be able to sue PETA for defamation. It's not like they actually harm any animals, it's a video game.

[treismac]

PETA... eh. I love animals, but, like the rest of you, I don't think humans should be second class citizens behind animals. They are so fanatical that they are clueless to how wacked out of their minds their propaganda sounds to others. Yeah, "radical" gets everyone's attention, but so does clever or thoughtful or, hell, cute, and those don't turn people off like radical does. PETA should definitely use the innate cuteness of animals more to pull at heartstrings rather than their normal piss people off routine.

As a sorta relevant side note:
I just feed a cousin of the tanooki, a raccoon, who visits my house from time to time. They are such smart and interesting creatures. I think I'd have a better shot at domesticating him than my cat's feral girlfriend.

[treismac]

Please let Nintendo be able to sue PETA for defamation. It's not like they actually harm any animals, it's a video game.

It is hard to imagine ANYONE ever deciding to skin a tanooki alive after playing Super Mario 3 or the Super Mario 3DS. Seriously. If anything, Super Mario 3 actually lead me to discover that the animal existed, and later I developed a fondness for them after reading and watching videos about them.

[RP2A03]

Things I've learned playing Mario:

1. It's OK to wear tanuki fur.

2. It's OK to stomp on turtles and then kick them around.

3. Dinosaurs are loyal friends, but all bets are off if you come up short on a jump. Hop off his back to reach the platform and laugh as the sucker falls to his death.

[fahlim003]

I've waited a long time to share this:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4530/vssmbinstrucions.png
The illustrator of these surely wants to give the impression Mario is seriously boot-fucking that sea-turtle or braining that goomba. Mario looks both pleased and mightily pissed off at the same time.

By the way, go to hell PETA.

[Shulamana]

Was too short. :(

[pseudonym]

Peta is trolling with these half-assed games and seems to think that any publicity is good publicity. Ignore them.

[Sunnyvale]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzB5PQiXwrk

[djshok]

http://img1.purerave.com/4/20/4907820.gif

[Buyatari]

I hate PETA. Abuse for the sake of abuse alone should be frowned apon but animals have a real world purpose other than looking cute. You won't ever see cows or pigs or chickens on the endangered species list for a very good reason and it isn't because they look cute.

[j_factor]

I'm not a fan of PETA, but I don't really see anything wrong with this. It's an amusing parody, and the tanuki fur industry is a real issue if you care about that sort of thing.

[substantial_snake]

As soon as I saw this picture I got a horrible sinking feeling of dread in the bottom of my gut and then it hit me, its a picture of a strain or Ebloa so really its a microscopic virus kitten. Awesome.

Oh and seriously fuck PETA. I have not interest in abusing animals but their campaigns of trolling anyone who doesn't follow their doctrine is no longer amusing, its just sad.

[treismac]

In case anyone was wondering: 00:09 is my best time. Take that Japanese Tanooki poachers!!!

[Haoie]

Next up: PETA frees Donkey Kong from an eternity of throwing barrels for entertainment

[G-Boobie]

My favorite PETA moment was the lunatics demanding that Ben and Jerry make ice cream using human breast milk. Remember that?

I love PETA. They never cease to amuse me.

[buzz_n64]

http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/529-peta-people-eating-tasty-animals.jpg

[Buyatari]

I'm not a fan of PETA, but I don't really see anything wrong with this. It's an amusing parody, and the tanuki fur industry is a real issue if you care about that sort of thing.

The other game on there is to stop cruelty to chickens. Chickens...Are you kidding me? What is next fish? Clams? Mosquitos? If ever there was an animal whose sole purpose in life was to feed humans the chicken was it. If you take away chicken as a food source what value does it have to anyone?

Look if you want to hurt the fur trade go ahead I don't care as I'm generally warm anyway but don't go after the food that goes into my belly.

[Aussie2B]

The other game on there is to stop cruelty to chickens. Chickens...Are you kidding me? What is next fish? Clams? Mosquitos? If ever there was an animal whose sole purpose in life was to feed humans the chicken was it. If you take away chicken as a food source what value does it have to anyone?

While I know PETA has a "Everybody should be vegan" stance, the goal to stop cruelty to chickens is a very important one. I mean, what, just because we eat it, we should treat it like shit while it's alive? At least let it have a comfortable life in the short time it has. I guarantee that'll make for better food. There are absolute horrific conditions in many chicken farms. We're talking cages so small that they can't even move, with no solid surface for them to stand on, with cages stacked upon cages so the shit just falls onto the chickens below. It's deplorable. And who wants to eat meat or eggs that come from that?

I strongly implore that everyone here buy free-range chicken and eggs if any of guys aren't already. It probably helps the economy too since the small-time farms are more likely to treat their animals with decency and respect. I really enjoyed the years in which my dad had 5 chickens. They were a lot of fun, and we had more eggs than we knew what to do with. And even the best grocery store eggs couldn't compare. I'm glad our chickens at least had good lives.

[Flashback2012]

3. Dinosaurs are loyal friends, but all bets are off if you come up short on a jump. Hop off his back to reach the platform and laugh as the sucker falls to his death.


You mean like this?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BEz2tA7YEWg/SSHLJep1NVI/AAAAAAAAFAg/acH-emDPeug/2607.jpg

[thom_m]

Now I have two reasons for hating PETA: their radical views AND the crappy flash games they make!

Now, seriously, whichever mission they may have, it's hard not to hate an organization when their child-oriented propaganda goes as far as this:
"You Mommy Kills Animals!!" (http://consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040726_mommykills.pdf)
"Your Daddy Kills Animals!!" (http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/pdf/DaddyKillsAnimals.pdf)

[Buyatari]

While I know PETA has a "Everybody should be vegan" stance, the goal to stop cruelty to chickens is a very important one. I mean, what, just because we eat it, we should treat it like shit while it's alive? At least let it have a comfortable life in the short time it has. I guarantee that'll make for better food. There are absolute horrific conditions in many chicken farms. We're talking cages so small that they can't even move, with no solid surface for them to stand on, with cages stacked upon cages so the shit just falls onto the chickens below. It's deplorable. And who wants to eat meat or eggs that come from that?

I strongly implore that everyone here buy free-range chicken and eggs if any of guys aren't already. It probably helps the economy too since the small-time farms are more likely to treat their animals with decency and respect. I really enjoyed the years in which my dad had 5 chickens. They were a lot of fun, and we had more eggs than we knew what to do with. And even the best grocery store eggs couldn't compare. I'm glad our chickens at least had good lives.

Well if it makes cheaper better food then I am all for it. Why would any company in the food business disagree with that? If it increases costs then it might not be worth it to a company like Mcdonalds.

[SpaceHarrier]

I, for one, wasn't previously aware of any tanooki fur trade. So I guess PETA accomplished a tiny bit of awareness there. Now there is only to act on this newfound knowledge.

I want to wear tanooki ass as a hat.

[Aussie2B]

Well if it makes cheaper better food then I am all for it. Why would any company in the food business disagree with that? If it increases costs then it might not be worth it to a company like Mcdonalds.

It's not likely to be cheaper, but it's worth it. I'd like to think showing respect for life (and for food) is a little more important than the almighty dollar. I will pay more for cleaner, healthier, tastier food any day of the week, and no amount justifies cruelty. If you can't afford to properly take care of animals, then you shouldn't have animals in the first place. This goes for individuals all the way up to mega corporations.

[Amon_Re]

Well if it makes cheaper better food then I am all for it. Why would any company in the food business disagree with that? If it increases costs then it might not be worth it to a company like Mcdonalds.

I'm willing to pay extra for meat coming from animals whom been treated humanely. Money is less important than the needless suffering of animals (them being food or not).

Wanting to decrease needless suffering is the only humane thing to do.

That being said, PETA should go to hell:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/04/27/peta-and-euthanasia.html

"The organization has practiced euthanasia for years. Since 1998 PETA has killed more than 17,000 animals, nearly 85 percent of all those it has rescued."

[Amon_Re]

It's not likely to be cheaper, but it's worth it. I'd like to think showing respect for life (and for food) is a little more important than the almighty dollar. I will pay more for cleaner, healthier, tastier food any day of the week, and no amount justifies cruelty. If you can't afford to properly take care of animals, then you shouldn't have animals in the first place. This goes for individuals all the way up to mega corporations.

I second this

[j_factor]

cheaper better food
Mcdonalds.

This does not compute.

[Sunnyvale]

It's not likely to be cheaper, but it's worth it. I'd like to think showing respect for life (and for food) is a little more important than the almighty dollar. I will pay more for cleaner, healthier, tastier food any day of the week, and no amount justifies cruelty. If you can't afford to properly take care of animals, then you shouldn't have animals in the first place. This goes for individuals all the way up to mega corporations.

In a perfect world, sure. But in the real world, people are still starving, and would trade their kids for 2 ounces of meat. So finances is an issue, except not for us. I can eat bacon, steak, or lobster, right now. Others... not. And I know the argument that this is asking for: Big business, Haliburton, GM foods, yaddayaddayadda. But that's besides the point.

Idealistically, none of us would have to eat, right? Realistically...

Fuck them chickens if it feeds one kid.

[Amon_Re]

In a perfect world, sure. But in the real world, people are still starving, and would trade their kids for 2 ounces of meat. So finances is an issue, except not for us. I can eat bacon, steak, or lobster, right now. Others... not. And I know the argument that this is asking for: Big business, Haliburton, GM foods, yaddayaddayadda. But that's besides the point.

Idealistically, none of us would have to eat, right? Realistically...

Fuck them chickens if it feeds one kid.

1) There kids like have more meat then 2 ounces. Trading them wouldn't make sense
2) People whom are starving already shouldn't be eating fast food anyway as that food is:
a) Not healthy
b) Not really cheaper
3) Proper treatment of animals does not always result in higher costs for the end user, but lower profits. The fat cats will have to make do with one diamond-studded swimming pool instead of two.
4) You shouldn't fuck your dinner

[NerdXCrewWill]

1) There kids like have more meat then 2 ounces. Trading them wouldn't make sense
2) People whom are starving already shouldn't be eating fast food anyway as that food is:
a) Not healthy
b) Not really cheaper
3) Proper treatment of animals does not always result in higher costs for the end user, but lower profits. The fat cats will have to make do with one diamond-studded swimming pool instead of two.
4) You shouldn't fuck your dinner

I agree with this, but I especially like point #1.

[treismac]

While I know PETA has a "Everybody should be vegan" stance, the goal to stop cruelty to chickens is a very important one. I mean, what, just because we eat it, we should treat it like shit while it's alive? At least let it have a comfortable life in the short time it has. I guarantee that'll make for better food. There are absolute horrific conditions in many chicken farms. We're talking cages so small that they can't even move, with no solid surface for them to stand on, with cages stacked upon cages so the shit just falls onto the chickens below. It's deplorable. And who wants to eat meat or eggs that come from that?

I strongly implore that everyone here buy free-range chicken and eggs if any of guys aren't already. It probably helps the economy too since the small-time farms are more likely to treat their animals with decency and respect. I really enjoyed the years in which my dad had 5 chickens. They were a lot of fun, and we had more eggs than we knew what to do with. And even the best grocery store eggs couldn't compare. I'm glad our chickens at least had good lives.

I'm with you, Aussie. Minimizing suffering for any and everything is a good and compassionate idea.

[treismac]

Well if it makes cheaper better food then I am all for it. Why would any company in the food business disagree with that? If it increases costs then it might not be worth it to a company like Mcdonalds.

Just for the hell of it, let's take this argument to a ridiculous level. What if corporate scientist devised a torture technique that made the food tastier and cheaper, but increased the agony of the animals 100 fold? I understand that it is difficult to imagine anything being tasty at McDonalds but try. Does a point come when we say that what benefits us costs others too much? This question could be applied to many other cases of course.

To me, it is one thing for a starving family to do what they must to survive and quite another thing for a multinational corporation to do what they can to make more money.

[treismac]

In a perfect world, sure. But in the real world, people are still starving, and would trade their kids for 2 ounces of meat. So finances is an issue, except not for us. I can eat bacon, steak, or lobster, right now. Others... not. And I know the argument that this is asking for: Big business, Haliburton, GM foods, yaddayaddayadda. But that's besides the point.

Idealistically, none of us would have to eat, right? Realistically...

Fuck them chickens if it feeds one kid.

I would respectfully say that it isn't besides the point, Sunnyvale420. The extra money saved by McDonalds deciding to treat animals inhumane rather than human does not put food on the plates of the starving, it only makes the megarich richer. BUT!!! If it did feed one kid, I'm with you on the fornicating of chickens, sir.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_97aysHU6XBg/Rrpi3QDOk9I/AAAAAAAAAGs/k9P2x-YrtDs/s320/chickenloverBLOGREADY.bmp

[Orion Pimpdaddy]

PETA chooses to get their message out by stoking controversy and then riding the publicity (hence, threads like this popping up on EVERY game site). Whether or not it works or not is debatable. Perhaps it helps with fundraising.

There are certainly hundreds of other animal welfare organizations that don't take the same route as PETA, but do a lot of good work. Unfortunately, people think PETA is the only group out there since it's always in the news cycle.

The notion that video games cause people to act out (or wear) what they see on the screen is stupid.

[Collector_Gaming]

I strongly implore that everyone here buy free-range chicken and eggs if any of guys aren't already. It probably helps the economy too since the small-time farms are more likely to treat their animals with decency and respect. I really enjoyed the years in which my dad had 5 chickens. They were a lot of fun, and we had more eggs than we knew what to do with. And even the best grocery store eggs couldn't compare. I'm glad our chickens at least had good lives.

I have only one problem with this

Ever see that episode of southpark where walmart takes over... They kill walmart and start shopping at their local general store like crazy and it becomes a walmart like industry on its own from the growth

Thats exactly what would happen to those small farms atleast the ones who see a crazy sudden increase in profit.
Farmers gonna see a sudden increase in demand on product.. They are gonna adjust... and those humane as you call em ways of raising chickens will go out the door as they have to make room for 5x more chickens then normal.
Its just how we are as humans. We are fine as small time buisness. But when we see a sudden increase in demand and profit we adjust and things get worse.

[Amon_Re]

The notion that video games cause people to act out (or wear) what they see on the screen is stupid.

You never heard of cosplay then?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3897677460_2a2832a2a6.jpg
PETA was right! :P

[Amon_Re]

I have only one problem with this

Ever see that episode of southpark where walmart takes over... They kill walmart and start shopping at their local general store like crazy and it becomes a walmart like industry on its own from the growth

Thats exactly what would happen to those small farms atleast the ones who see a crazy sudden increase in profit.
Farmers gonna see a sudden increase in demand on product.. They are gonna adjust... and those humane as you call em ways of raising chickens will go out the door as they have to make room for 5x more chickens then normal.
Its just how we are as humans. We are fine as small time buisness. But when we see a sudden increase in demand and profit we adjust and things get worse.

Well that doesn't seem to happen on our side of the globe (Europe) so I'd say your worries are unfounded. (Besides, if they start treating their animals badly they'd loose their 'free range' label and people would shop elsewhere)

[MachineGex]

PETA reminds me of a "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend". You never know when or where they will show up and what "bat-shit crazy" things they will do. You always try and avoid them, even though at one time, they seemed like a good idea. But now, they annoy and slightly scare you.

[Collector_Gaming]

if they start treating their animals badly they'd loose their 'free range' label and people would shop elsewhere)

then the next farmer would be subject to it and then so on and so on.

I mean do we feel like theres a farmer out there that would not change their ways after seeing the big financial increase possibly to their business if they adjusted?
I mean its money. Everyone wants it. And if someone is willing to hand you more money then before your not gonna turn it down.
It goes with the old saying. Everything has a price tag... That means even change. Its just a matter of finding it.

[Collector_Gaming]

And it sometimes make me regret liking this band

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/22107289/The+Agonist.jpg
canadian hardcore deathmetal band "The Agonist". Female lead singer is a hardcore Peta follower. I mean shes crazy with her belief with them.
But god damn is she hot and got good vocals hahaha :ass:

Anyways also on a side note. The one thing i will laugh at that peta did.

Was when petco put up a new stadium for San Diego Padre's. They ran a promotion where you can buy bricks and put whatever you want on these bricks.
Peta bought a shit load and secretly wrote something along the lines of Petco Sucks or something like that. Clever and funny.

[Amon_Re]

then the next farmer would be subject to it and then so on and so on.

I mean do we feel like theres a farmer out there that would not change their ways after seeing the big financial increase possibly to their business if they adjusted?
I mean its money. Everyone wants it. And if someone is willing to hand you more money then before your not gonna turn it down.
It goes with the old saying. Everything has a price tag... That means even change. Its just a matter of finding it.

You shouldn't fear change that much, farming over here in Europe is heavily regulated regarding animal treatment (but there's still room for improvement) and meat is not insanely expensive over here.

[djshok]

I challenge all PETA members to shut down their immune systems. Microorganisms like bacteria, fungi, molds, parasites and to some extent viruses are all living things and deserve to live a complete fulfilling life! The human immune system is a ruthless killing machine for these poor cute little critters! Something must be done! I think PETA are the right people to lead by example, so I suggest they all take immuno-suppressive drugs in high dosages to stop the senseless slaughter of our microbial friends.

;)

[Baloo]

Are we seriously having an argument over the treatment of chickens, who can still live even if YOU CUT OFF THEIR HEAD?

Their pain threshold is probably something that doesn't factor in with Chickens of all animals.

And someone should take care of all those fucking stray cats that like to shit in my backyard, them and dogs (Who like to shit on my sidewalk) are the most annoying animals of all, and yet they're the most taken care of because of PETA sympathizers. Come on! How can anyone take this organization seriously?

[The Shawn]

I remeber about 10 years ago when PETA tried boycotting KFC, their must have been 30 of them protesting at my local one. I was part of a group of 20 people who set up picnic tables outside while KFC gave us free fried chicken to eat all day in front of them.

Good times.

[Collector_Gaming]

I remeber about 10 years ago when PETA tried boycotting KFC, their must have been 30 of them protesting at my local one. I was part of a group of 20 people who set up picnic tables outside while KFC gave us free fried chicken to eat all day in front of them.

Good times.

in canada i think 2 years ago they actually won believe it or not a protest against the canadian branches of KFC. They settled on a bill that states all canadian KFC branches must purchase chicken from farmers who actually do breed their chickens on a more natural setting. giving them all the room to do whatever chickens like to do other then eat/shit/nap/have the occassional cock fight.
The singer of the band i posted above was apart of the Rally for this settlement and blogged about it on the bands website.

[The Shawn]

in canada i think 2 years ago they actually won believe it or not a protest against the canadian branches of KFC. They settled on a bill that states all canadian KFC branches must purchase chicken from farmers who actually do breed their chickens on a more natural setting. giving them all the room to do whatever chickens like to do other then eat/shit/nap/have the occassional cock fight.
The singer of the band i posted above was apart of the Rally for this settlement and blogged about it on the bands website.

That totally disgusts me.

[Amon_Re]

Are we seriously having an argument over the treatment of chickens, who can still live even if YOU CUT OFF THEIR HEAD?

Their pain threshold is probably something that doesn't factor in with Chickens of all animals.

Did you know that human bodies are also known to still move after beheading? Humans must have a huge pain threshold also!
/sarcasm


And someone should take care of all those fucking stray cats that like to shit in my backyard, them and dogs (Who like to shit on my sidewalk) are the most annoying animals of all, and yet they're the most taken care of because of PETA sympathizers.

I have more respect for a stray animal than for anyone spouting this kind of bullshit. The strays aren't to blame for their state but their former owners.

People need to learn to take responsibility for their acts.

[Amon_Re]

in canada i think 2 years ago they actually won believe it or not a protest against the canadian branches of KFC. They settled on a bill that states all canadian KFC branches must purchase chicken from farmers who actually do breed their chickens on a more natural setting. giving them all the room to do whatever chickens like to do other then eat/shit/nap/have the occassional cock fight.
The singer of the band i posted above was apart of the Rally for this settlement and blogged about it on the bands website.

This is a good thing, chickens whom are able to roam are less likely to become sick and thus not require antibiotics. Incidentally, the rise of antibiotic resistance has been linked to the usage of antibiotics in farming.

I loathe the PETA because they take things too far too often, but treating live stock with some respect and decency is the humane thing to do. After all, we have the power and choice to do so.

It's basically a question of ethics. Do you desire to limit needless suffering or not? Just as it's an ethical question whether or not it is ok to eat meat. (The answer is yes).

[Sunnyvale]

1) There kids like have more meat then 2 ounces. Trading them wouldn't make sense
2) People whom are starving already shouldn't be eating fast food anyway as that food is:
a) Not healthy
b) Not really cheaper
3) Proper treatment of animals does not always result in higher costs for the end user, but lower profits. The fat cats will have to make do with one diamond-studded swimming pool instead of two.
4) You shouldn't fuck your dinner

Haha @ your #1, very nice. Seriously though, I never said we should donate McD's to starving kids. However, McD's does donate lots to kids, every year. Take away their money, they can't do it any more. Not a perfect charity, but better than none.
http://rmhc.org/


I would respectfully say that it isn't besides the point, Sunnyvale420. The extra money saved by McDonalds deciding to treat animals inhumane rather than human does not put food on the plates of the starving, it only makes the megarich richer. BUT!!! If it did feed one kid, I'm with you on the fornicating of chickens, sir.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_97aysHU6XBg/Rrpi3QDOk9I/AAAAAAAAAGs/k9P2x-YrtDs/s320/chickenloverBLOGREADY.bmp

If it teaches you to read :P

Some of that money does go to charities. And honestly, I don't have a problem with the rich being rich. They earned it. I don't much like Wall Street, but that's got nothing to do with supply and demand and big business, that's just plain theft.


You shouldn't fear change that much, farming over here in Europe is heavily regulated regarding animal treatment (but there's still room for improvement) and meat is not insanely expensive over here.

http://www.theecologist.org/trial_investigations/336873/killing_fields_the_true_cost_of_europes_cheap_meat .html

People or animals, people or animals...

Seriously, idealism vs realism. Idealistically, we could all just go pick a pork chop off of a piggy-tree, sit around singing Kumbaya and playing guitar and smoking weed, no need for money or cars or vaccines or...

Besides the weed, ain't happening. Realistically, if you try to take the fat cat's profits, he gets them somewhere else. Realistically, meat is a commoditity in the world marketplace, a big one. One that's gone up quite a bit in recent years.

When world hunger isn't an issue, I'll give animal rights a serious thought.

[treismac]

I remeber about 10 years ago when PETA tried boycotting KFC, their must have been 30 of them protesting at my local one. I was part of a group of 20 people who set up picnic tables outside while KFC gave us free fried chicken to eat all day in front of them.

Good times.

HA! Good times indeed! PETA needs to boycott the sushi restaurant down the road, and the owner takes a page outta the KFC playbook. :)

[treismac]

Realistically, if you try to take the fat cat's profits, he gets them somewhere else.

Unless, of course, guillotines are involved.

http://www.gifmania.co.uk/weapons/guillotine/guillotine.gif

[Guru of Time and Space]

Their basic input on what needs to be done is humans should be wiped from existance so the animals can run free and do what they want.

This sounds like a good idea after reading this:


The other game on there is to stop cruelty to chickens. Chickens...Are you kidding me? What is next fish? Clams? Mosquitos? If ever there was an animal whose sole purpose in life was to feed humans the chicken was it. If you take away chicken as a food source what value does it have to anyone?

Look if you want to hurt the fur trade go ahead I don't care as I'm generally warm anyway but don't go after the food that goes into my belly.

Despicable.

-GoTaS

[Guru of Time and Space]

Oh, another thing. World hunger can be tackled more efficiently when everyone realizes the exorbitant amount of space and energy factory farming uses up. For every sixteen pounds of grain and soy fed to beef cattle in the United States, we only get one pound back in meat on our plates. And fuck man, we could use all this land used to grow all this grain to grow edible grains for humans to help combat world hunger several times over.

-GoTaS

[The Shawn]

And it sometimes make me regret liking this band

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/22107289/The+Agonist.jpg
canadian hardcore deathmetal band "The Agonist". Female lead singer is a hardcore Peta follower. I mean shes crazy with her belief with them.
But god damn is she hot and got good vocals hahaha :ass:

Anyways also on a side note. The one thing i will laugh at that peta did.

Was when petco put up a new stadium for San Diego Padre's. They ran a promotion where you can buy bricks and put whatever you want on these bricks.
Peta bought a shit load and secretly wrote something along the lines of Petco Sucks or something like that. Clever and funny.

She is hot. But I am quite sure the reason she wants chicken's to be well cared for is because she wants the fattest ripest ones for her blood drinking ceromony's.

Other then that, we should put all the chicken's up at the Comfort Inn. I mean really? Do you see Eithiopia complaining about how chickens are treated? Why you ask?

Because they don't give a fuck if you stack them on eachothers heads with barbed wire restraining them, to them they're either gonna get meat, or they're gonna eat the feed for the chickens. No space in starving countries for "Humane" chicken farms. Everthing is reserved for whatever agriculture they can grow.

I'm actually all about "domestic" animals. But if I was starving or my kids, I would throw my beagle in a roasting bag. (He is quite muscular, so he'd prob be chewy as hell.) Or either one of our 3 cat's for that matter, but cat's are quite dirty as far as hygiene is concearned, of course not to them as they bathe regularly. But toxoplasmosis.

To hell with chickens I say, get 'em nice and fat, cut their heads off, give the kids some entertainment while they run around the yard (As I alway's got as a small child) and eat 'em.

Chickens are not domestic animals. They are here for us, believe it or not, to use for eggs and meat. They serve no other purpose in the welfare of humans. They are not any kind of "pet" When I kept them of course they had a yard and my dog protected them, but after summer and all the eggs were gone and it was not in my best interest to economicaly feed and heat them I took them in one by one and butchered them. I slept great that night with a freezer full of chicken for the winter.

On a side note, maybe I should go collect the red ant mound outside and bring it in for the winter, I mean it is raining and shit...

I'm not gonna post the link BuyAtari, but as far as any other use for them I would just like to state that there is a link to a really funny part of The Devils Rejects.

[Sunnyvale]

Oh, another thing. World hunger can be tackled more efficiently when everyone realizes the exorbitant amount of space and energy factory farming uses up. For every sixteen pounds of grain and soy fed to beef cattle in the United States, we only get one pound back in meat on our plates. And fuck man, we could use all this land used to grow all this grain to grow edible grains for humans to help combat world hunger several times over.

-GoTaS

Our bodies aren't set up to live on grain alone. Soy protien has shown to have a number of issues the body is far less prepared to cope with than the problems associated with meat.

Let's not forget that in order to crank out the yield of grains you quoted, a farmer has to use GM grains, something I'd bet my heavy sixer on that you're against.

But it's not 'karmically correct' to eat animals, right? Sheesh... Look, if you want to be 'humane' about it, vegetables have a nervous system as well. They feel something when damaged, that much is known, and I doubt it's an orgasm. So all you get is fruit. Or would you needlessly slaughter the infants of an entire species as they writhe in pain in front of their mothers? Monster.

I'm not of the religious 'we're above them' mentality; I'm of the Darwinian 'we're above them' mentality. On this one, even The Shawn and I can find common ground. @_@

Watch a cat play with a mouse. That's what happens to food, it's seldom pretty or humane. And if you want to say 'we're better than them', I agree. So much better, we are the king's and they our foodstuffs.

[treismac]

Chickens are not domestic animals. They are here for us, believe it or not, to use for eggs and meat. They serve no other purpose in the welfare of humans.

First off, I'm not that emotionally involved with the rights of chickens. I'm saying this so you don't read any vehemence into the tone of my writing. So don't take any offense, please, I'm just jumping around with words and ideas, alright? :) Anyway...

Why must chickens or any other sentient being have to serve a purpose in the welfare of humans? Can't chickens just enjoy being chickens without us having to have a use for them? One way you could reframe this line of thinking is that the weak (chickens) should serve a purpose for the benefit of the powerful (humans). You could extend this line of thinking beyond chickens with barbarous results. What purpose do people who are seriously mentally handicapped serve? How about the homeless? What if science uncovered a method for extracting the vitality out of them and transferring it upon the wealthy? If the weak have no purpose but to serve the powerful, then there should be no complaints. But let me assume that someone will raise the objection that chickens are a different species than humans, and a vastly stupidier one at that. Alright. If another life form, that dwarfed our intelligence landed on earth, discovered that human brains were the most incredible delicacy in the entire cosmos, why should we be any different than chickens? This hypothetical race of beings could experience love and thoughts so much deeper and richer than our capacity, that humans would by comparison be closer to an earthworm than a noble chicken.

Once again, this is all just for the sake of discussion. I enjoyed a rather delicious buffalo chicken sandwich for lunch today without any thought to the relationship of my power to the chicken's.

[The Shawn]

First off, I'm not that emotionally involved with the rights of chickens. I'm saying this so you don't read any vehemence into the tone of my writing. So don't take any offense, please, I'm just jumping around with words and ideas, alright? :) Anyway...

Why must chickens or any other sentient being have to serve a purpose in the welfare of humans? Can't chickens just enjoy being chickens without us having to have a use for them? One way you could reframe this line of thinking is that the weak (chickens) should serve a purpose for the benefit of the powerful (humans). You could extend this line of thinking beyond chickens with barbarous results. What purpose do people who are seriously mentally handicapped serve? How about the homeless? What if science uncovered a method for extracting the vitality out of them and transferring it upon the wealthy? If the weak have no purpose but to serve the powerful, then there should be no complaints. But let me assume that someone will raise the objection that chickens are a different species than humans, and a vastly stupidier one at that. Alright. If another life form, that dwarfed our intelligence landed on earth, discovered that human brains were the most incredible delicacy in the entire cosmos, why we be any different than chickens? This hypothetical race of beings could experience love and thoughts so much deeper and richer than our capacity, that humans would by comparison be closer to an earthworm than a noble chicken.

Once again, this is all just for the sake of discussion. I enjoyed a rather delicious buffalo chicken sandwich for lunch today without any thought to the relationship of my power to the chicken's.


I enjoyed your debate also. So much so I am maturbating as we speak.

Ahhh chickens.

[treismac]

This is veering off topic, but what the hell:

I am opposed to Social Darwinism. Just 'cause the powerful can do what they like, doesn't mean that they should. Refer back to my earlier posted guillotine gif to better understand the reasons why.

[treismac]

I enjoyed your debate also. So much so I am maturbating as we speak.

Ahhh chickens.

If your self-pleasuring involves blue cheese and hot sauce then more power to you, sir.

[The Shawn]

If your self-pleasuring involves blue cheese and hot sauce then more power to you, sir.

Sorry I'm still not finished.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Alright. If another life form, that dwarfed our intelligence landed on earth, discovered that human brains were the most incredible delicacy in the entire cosmos, why should we be any different than chickens?

We can fight back with independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers!!! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... chickens are sol.

[The Shawn]

We can fight back with independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers!!! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... chickens are sol.

Chickens suck anyway's. They are dirty vile creatures who shit green and are not loyal, and they stress out my dog.

Eat them and be done with it.

And I want a tanooki fucking hat!

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Seriously. It always amazes me how people can cry for the welfare of chickens and crap over that of any starving kids in third world countries, dying to eat something, anything besides mud cookies.

[Buyatari]

Just for the hell of it, let's take this argument to a ridiculous level. What if corporate scientist devised a torture technique that made the food tastier and cheaper, but increased the agony of the animals 100 fold? I understand that it is difficult to imagine anything being tasty at McDonalds but try. Does a point come when we say that what benefits us costs others too much? This question could be applied to many other cases of course.

To me, it is one thing for a starving family to do what they must to survive and quite another thing for a multinational corporation to do what they can to make more money.

I would be in heaven. If there was a way to make chicken taste 100 times better and 100 times cheaper (1 cent on the dollar) you would have to go for that. Chicken is pretty good and pretty cheap as it is.

[The Shawn]

I would be in heaven. If there was a way to make chicken taste 100 times better and 100 times cheaper (1 cent on the dollar) you would have to go for that. Chicken is pretty good and pretty cheap as it is.

Some asshole's gonna post a George Carlin clip soon. And it's not gonna be me.

Allthough I will el oh el.

[j_factor]

Seriously. It always amazes me how people can cry for the welfare of chickens and crap over that of any starving kids in third world countries, dying to eat something, anything besides mud cookies.

You do know that meat production consumes more resources than other foods? Lessening the intake of meat increases the world's food supply.

[The Shawn]

You do know that meat production consumes more resources than other foods? Lessening the intake of meat increases the world's food supply.

So, the starving kids should eat straw?

[treismac]

Some asshole's gonna post a George Carlin clip soon. And it's not gonna be me.

Allthough I will el oh el.

Post it, man, or at least tell me what to search for on youtube. :(

[RCM]

Fuck PETA, seriously. I wish they'd just fucking go away.