Phillyclassic hacked?

[Buyatari]

http://www.phillyclassic.com/

Is this just a week attempted advertising ploy?

Adam

[digitalpress]

As weak an attempt as it is, I believe they're changing their image, their charter, and possibly their ownership.

In 2004, it's going to be called "Game Jam". No joke.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

!!!???

Uh...okay. Hmmmm. I thought they'd been doing just fine as it was already.

[portnoyd]

So no more mega swap meet? Boooooooo! "YO YO ITS DA GAME JAM". Dumb name.

[sniperCCJVQ]

what the hell is this ??

"YO YO GAME JAM !"

x_x x_x

[punkoffgirl]

Wait, that's REAL???

[le geek]

Sounds like we'll no longer be the demographic.

Suck.

oh well,
Ben

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I prefer game JELLY myself.

[Sniderman]

How positively retarded. And next year was gonna be my first PC. Screw that now. Werd.

[calthaer]

It could just be some dissident ha><0r...but does that mean that the event will naturally follow suit just because the web site has been hacked? Who runs this thing anyways?

I mean...the whole thing with the Valley Forge vs. Philadelphia thing sounds kind of ludicrous to me. Valley Forge is not that far outside of Philly, although it is sort of on the opposite end of Philly from the airport, and I know there are places near the airport for rent, a bunch of comic guys get a space there and have a convention every now and again. I picked up all of the Daredevil: Born Again original issues for $2 a pop, and I was like YES! But anyways.

Then the other demands don't even seem to make sense...I mean, you have increased costs on all accounts (production values UP! rent space within city limits means costs are most likely UP! get celebrity to come = costs go UP further), and then cut the price in half...? I don't know who runs it or how the finances go, but maybe this ha><0r hasn't done his numbers OR has inside info that the people who run PC have been pocketing a chunk of change for the past few years.

[intvsama]

Okay, as a former organizer of this event, here's my take on it.

I think this is some early on advertising for the event. A few obvious clues to this are:

The "5" being painted over the "4" in the header image.

The name Game Jam being posted at a few locations here and there make it seem like the show has a new name (and if this is the case, David, I must protest). But that's for a later topic when I've been proven correct.

They would have deleted all the sponsor listings from the previous show, they don't want to piss off past and future sponsors so they left those pictures there.

Most '1337 h4xx0rz' use hacker talk in their hacks, there seems to be none of this, it's done rather 'professionally.'

The Anonymous copyright is still at the bottom of the page, letting me know that Anonymous is still doing the webpage. A '1337 h4xx0rz' would have removed the copyright at the bottom.

That and some of my other 'insider info' make me think we're just seeing early advertising for the show.

Personally, I don't mind the ticket prices going up a wee bit to cover expenses for a better show, but for Pete's sake, keep the table prices alone! I can barely afford to setup (I'm not a dealer!)

Event must take place in February? Who are you kidding? Yah, let's have it when it's bitter ass cold and there's still snow on the ground, sure, works for me! *gives thumbs up sign*

Production values? It's a convention, not a damn opera.

Who the hell cares about what football players think, they can all rot, in my book.

Take it for how you want, but these are my reasons for thinking this is early advertising.

[Sothy]

word up to mah g's on east coast yo!

I dig the layout its like i want the guy who did that to totally max out my honda civic with AZN grafx n mebbe a big tailfin while we lissen to sum Linkin park and mebbe i dunno that NOW music cd cuz its got all the hottest new music on it. then we can play Tony HAWK on mah PS2 and drink sum ZIMA and talk about that Atari Nintendo or whatever youknow cuz old 1980's video games are cool this week my friend told me so im down with it.

We be havin MADEEN shopwin up at the event fo shizzle straight MADDEN IN DA CLASSIC GAMIGN HIZZY cuz he belongin dere yo shizzle!
He be responsible fo such classic games as MADDEN 94 MADDEN 96 and MADDEN 96 1/2

Incidentally bizzatches be knowin these games available for purchase in the Fubu Snackshop and Souvenir shop on tha 2nd floor.

Bring tha Kids and ODB from Woo Tant clan might give you7 his autograph if you can beat his high score in whatever game SPREITE is sponsoring that day.

PEACE OUT!!!

Sincizzle,

Ruddygore

[BenT]

If it's advertising, it's horrible. I look at that site and just get confused over what it's trying to tell me. Then I get turned off because it seems to have so little to do with the spirit of classic gaming.

Kind of sad, as though I've never been to one of these (I moved away from PA like a month before the first PC), I've always been glad that there's a classic gaming show in my home town. (Literally 15 minutes from my childhood home.)

[sniperCCJVQ]

Let see each "request" one by one :

1.Philly Classic 5 MUST take place
within the Philadelphia city limits.

I think he's right. More closer the city downtown and also the airport facilities could help alot of people.

2.
The ticket price MUST be reduced by at least half.

YES!, last year the price was horrible, even for the seller. Get back to the Philly 3 price !

3.
The event MUST take place within the first
two weeks of February 2004

I don't care for the month. March or April it's a good choice.

4.
The production values MUST be increased

It really depends on what. Guest ? Arcade machine ? Contest ? Homebrew release ?

5.
John Madden and/or at least one Philadelphia Eagles
starting player MUST be in attendance.

I don't care. We are there for videogames, not for sports.

[fcw3]

I thought the location was just fine. The airport runs plenty of shuttle service to and from Valley Forge. You have access to it from major highways and can avoid having to drive thru that insanity that is Philadelphia traffic no matter which direction you were coming from. Now maybe the convention center was too expensive or some such thing, but I thought the facility was just right for our group.

It would be borderline insane to schedule anything in this area the first 2 weeks in February ! The weather is unpredictable at best. Philly is right in the path of classic "Noreaster" storms. And those of us around here know how well the streets get taken care of in Philly. At least Valley Forge is a bit farther west and is right off of the turnpike for a February trip.

Higher production values ? What, a better sound system ? A louder band ? Mood lighting ?

Special guests ? I liked our guest this year. She was game related, but not too much so. Bringing in a sports guy, no matter who it is, would just perpetuate the myth that US gamers care only about sports games. Heck, I'd rather see a wrestler than a football commentator or player.

I'm not sure what market they are targeting, if this is for real (and I think it is). Maybe classic gaming is not what it was. Maybe what we think of concerning classic games (Atari, Coleco, etc.) is changing. Maybe the classic moniker has moved up to the Nintendo, Sega Master, Genesis and SNES. Maybe the show will be more of an expo. Kiosks for games to be played. Celebrities to meet. A small area for game vendors. Vendors that have booths instead of tables and businesses instead of hobbies. People like me that use the show as an outlet for my extra stuff and other people that use the show to show off their collections will probably not be able to afford to do so.

All conjecture at this point. But having been a "vendor" (ha ha) at all 4 of the Philly Classics, I'd sure like to know what is going on.

Wasn't one of the members of the show's staff in "Marketing" as his profession ?

FRED

[portnoyd]

If the name *really* is "Game Jam", then you'll be seeing me there with one of those big ass clock necklaces, a backwards cap, and a basketball jersey 3x as big as it should be, spouting DMX lyrics for 48 hours staright.

Really bad name.

dave

[GrandAmChandler]

Did anyone notice "Game Jam" Written on the top of the phone booth pic?? Ugh. If it is going to be called this I dunno If I am going to be as willing to vend like I did at PC4.....

I Apologize if this was brought up already..

[brandver3]

That is possablly the most Un-classic classic gaming thing I have ever seen.

Like the gangstas are going to care about Defender and Robotron.

[punkoffgirl]

The show organizers have been just a little TOO quiet on the subject. It's not real.

[liquidmetal]

lol, Game Jam. Woo hoo

[digitalpress]

The show organizers have been just a little TOO quiet on the subject. It's not real.

Yes it is.

Maybe I didn't word my response above clearly enough. I shouldn't have said "I believe". I should have said "I happen to know".

I don't have all the details but the changes you're seeing at the site are just the beginning. What I don't know are the motivations, other than that it may be perceived as a "step up" - moving from "just" classic gaming to all of gaming, a'la the Ultimate Gamer's Expo that's being held in Los Angeles this August.

[NoahsMyBro]

Well, shit.

The last couple of years I've been torn - do I go myself, and fully enjoy the show as only an untethered person can, or do I bring my son, Nate, so he can continue his streak of attending every single PhillyClassic since he was born?

BUT, if things turn out the way it looks like they will, I've no longer got any dilemma to concern myself with. It's no longer PhillyClassic, and it looks like I won't want to go anymore anyway.

Very disappointing, IMO.

I guess this is just even more motivation for me to get myself to LV next year.

:(

[punkoffgirl]

No, Joe, you misunderstood me. I meant real as in REALLY HACKED. :)

David Newman just posted this message to the PhillyClassic Yahoo group:


Hi everyone:

By now, there's been such a whirlwind over this incident... We're on it,
and will update you as things develop.

-- David

[digitalpress]

No, Joe, you misunderstood me. I meant real as in REALLY HACKED. :)

David Newman just posted this message to the PhillyClassic Yahoo group:


Hi everyone:

By now, there's been such a whirlwind over this incident... We're on it,
and will update you as things develop.

-- David

No, I understand you perfectly. I know that's what you meant, and I'm saying it's really NOT hacked. I'll still wager that David comes back and "explains what's going on"... not fixes the perceived hacking. Get it?

[Raccoon Lad]

So, it's not just ME! Communication is becoming more difficult between forum members every minute......

Don't worry Humanoids, The MIGHTY Raccoon lad wiil find whomever seeks to destroy our ability to comprehend eachothers words!

*pulls out ray-gun*
*runs off into the shadows*

[punkoffgirl]

LOL! That's what I said! That I didn't believe it was really hacked, ie, not real.
Then you said "Yes, it is." and confused the heck out of me.

I guess if they're REALLY thinking of moving the show to February, starting the hype about it in late July isn't such a bad idea.

[bargora]

No, no, no. It was never not the negative. I'm with POG.

[Kid Ice]

I believe this is a joke. I believe we are about to witness a battle between this corporate "hacker" and the true classic gamers, who will of course emerge victorious. Although some of the things that the "hacker" wrote contradict this theory somewhat.

If it turns out that this is not a joke, if you see me at this event, I will be assuming a different identity, so don't call me jeff, Kid Ice, or the kid.

I shall be referred to as "The Kizzy"

[Ed Siegler]

I posted this as an input to their Yahoo message forum earlier this morning...


Well, from what has been going around, it appears that
there is a rumor that the format of PhillyClassic may
possibly change to include more modern systems. The
name of the convention "PhillyClassic" may possibly be
changed to "Game Jam" which happens to be plastered
all over the "hacked" website. It is quite possible
that this is nothing more than a marketing ploy.

I, for one, would be quite upset about all of this for
two reasons. One, the idea of PhillyClassic is
exactly what the name implies, and that is "classic".
PC is the premier east coast show, and the main one
for classic systems to begin with. I would sure be
upset to see the premier classic convention go away.
What would be left? A bunch of independent shows?
For this reason alone, I feel that PC should be left
alone. If the organizers wanted newer systems to be
introduced to the show, why couldn't the show just
simply be made larger to include the other systems?
Already, a small discussion has been going on about
this possible change, and so far, it's been negative
about any change.

Second of all, if it turns out that this is a
marketing ploy about the change, why insult the
intelligence of people by saying the site was hacked
and not just come out and say "Hey people, we feel
it's time to include more modern systems to the show."
People in general don't like to be victimized by lame
marketing ploys.

If that's what this all turns out to be, well then, I
(along with some other people) will save my $30 for
the three day admission (which actually is a good
deal) and do something else more constructive with it.
It wouldn't be spent by going to a show concentrating
on more modern systems, where I would more want it to
be based around the classic systems.

Let's be honest here. Who really wants to go to the
city of Philadelphia for a convention? Unless you
want to pay a higher tax for the things around the
show like lodging and food, keep it where it is. It's
a lot easier to get to where it is now than navigating
the streets of Philadelphia to get to wherever it may
wind up being.

Just an opinion...


Here's another person who also chimed in...

There is a LOT of speculation that the whole hacked PC site bit is nothing
more than the organizers trying to drum up interest in the new redesigned
"Game Jam" expo to be held next year. Less emphasis on classics and
more on the modern game systems. No one connected with PC has gone
on record yet confirming this was either a malicious attack by an "leet haxor"
or that this was a publicity stunt, plain and simple.

There's a lot of bad will brewing in the game community if this was just a
gimmick. If one of the organizers can please confirm what's going on -either
way - it would be appreciated. If this was a true hack, I can't imagine why
the PC organizers aren't up in arms, posting left and right, and trying to do
damage control.....unless they're behind it.

We await a reply of any kind. Thank you.

Signed,
"The people who actually attend this expo who are curious if they're being
manipulated"


And finally...Dave chimed in...

Hi everyone:

By now, there's been such a whirlwind over this incident... We're on it,
and will update you as things develop.

-- David


Hmmm. Let's see.

[Sniderman]

And finally...Dave chimed in...

Hi everyone:

By now, there's been such a whirlwind over this incident... We're on it,
and will update you as things develop.

-- David.

Uh-huh. No confirmation that this was a deliberate hack, nor does he seem the least bit pissed that this "hacker" defaces the site. I'm sure that if someone did similar to the CGE site, John, Joe and Sean would be hunting for bear and posting on every site what happened and what they were doing to correct it. So Dave's in on this stunt. Beautiful.

However, there is no confirmation about "Gamizzle Jamizzle" being the new ID. Just a vague "We're looking into it." Best guess: The PC organizers now realize they've managed to piss off the very people who have attended for years and are now trrying to figure out the best way to explain to everyone why they took this asinine PR stunt route.

[digitalpress]

However, there is no confirmation about "Gamizzle Jamizzle" being the new ID. Just a vague "We're looking into it." Best guess: The PC organizers now realize they've managed to piss off the very people who have attended for years and are now trrying to figure out the best way to explain to everyone why they took this asinine PR stunt route.

I can confirm that the plan before this particular publicity stunt WAS to change the name to GAME JAM. They did catch me off guard with their methods here though, so perhaps other changes are in the works as well.

[Ed Siegler]

The PC organizers now realize they've managed to piss off the very people who have attended for years and are now trrying to figure out the best way to explain to everyone why they took this asinine PR stunt route.

Things may have gone over a load better if the "powers that be" just came out and said "Hey, we're gonna keep PhillyClassic going, but we're gonna expand and go in other directions as well." Then again, it probabally still would alienate a bit of the fan base from the format that has been followed.

[christianscott27]

hmm

maybe its time for the NECG to step up and host a big old east coast meet, perhaps we could dust off the ol' funspot plan or maybe something right here in boston. we'd keep it real, real classic that is.

time will tell, i for one loved the PC i attended but cant get excited about being in a hall filled with xbox kiddies.

[Kid Ice]

I can confirm that the plan before this particular publicity stunt WAS to change the name to GAME JAM.

Does this name sound suspiciously G4 to anyone else? Maybe the PC organizers were gotten at by G4 or another greedy 3rd party hoping to cash in on this event.

Props for the 411, Dizzay Pizzay!

The Kizzy

[intvsama]

I can confirm that the plan before this particular publicity stunt WAS to change the name to GAME JAM. They did catch me off guard with their methods here though, so perhaps other changes are in the works as well.

I fully agree with Joe. He and I both have 'insider info' and it seems that PhillyClassic is planning a name and format change. With all the bad press it's getting here tho', I'm hoping they reconsider what they're planning on doing to the show.

A message I posted to the PhillyClassic Yahoo discussion group was never approved by the moderator (David) because I posted why I know everything on the site's a hoax, and David didn't reply to any of my IMs today on the matter.

If David's reading this, you're putting people off with this 'new format' and I hope you're planning on reconsidering, because I know if the format changes I won't be in attendence next year, and that's around $200 you won't be getting from me and my friends.

If this was a true hack, just like someone posted earlier, David and crew would be posting everywhere renouncing it.

[sniperCCJVQ]

I think we all agreed that a name change IT'S NOT a good idea (Phillyclassics is the right name). It's like changing the name of a well know brand. This will pissed off a lot of people

Talking of pissing off people, why David or any other organizer haven't make a quick statement ("We are sorry this has nothing to do with us...blabla") and clean the web site. Not it's still there....strange.

If this is a PR move that try to put the change they trying do to right "in the throat" of the people who attend the show in the past, i say that no way i will to go a classic show with "xbox RuLeZ kiddies" like Chris said. I will put my cash in another thing to do. And what i like the most it's the indoor "classic flea market" atmospher.

I did not attend every PC (2 and 3 only) but i was thinking that after 4 years, the show got the stability it need. If the organizer didn't think that, well i will be very sorry to see this event go down the toilet by some crazy head.

Let see what will happend in the next hours, days.

[bargora]

gizzle jizzle?

[Tetsu]

Perhaps it was a case of "testing the waters", to see how well the name and focus change would be received. If it fared unfavorably, they would have some "l33t h4xx0r" excuse to fall back on.

[Ed Siegler]

It seems like this idea is getting hammered everywhere.

Why change an established thing so radically?

[calthaer]

Somebody probably smells money and wants a piece of it. If PhillyClassic ever became a consumer's E3, there would probably be tons of money involved. Thing is, I don't think the people who like PhillyClassic reall want a consumer E3 - they want PhillyClassic.

[zmeston]

Somebody probably smells money and wants a piece of it. If PhillyClassic ever became a consumer's E3, there would probably be tons of money involved. Thing is, I don't think the people who like PhillyClassic reall want a consumer E3 - they want PhillyClassic.

If the postponement of the Ultimate Gamers Expo is any indication, a consumer E3 won't be happening for a long while yet, if ever.

In the early 1990s, the CES briefly experimented with public attendance, and it was a disaster on every level; people stole cartridges straight out of demo kiosks, using wire clippers and even their bare hands.

E3 creates plenty of consumer interest without the messiness of actually involving consumers, and it also allows game companies to conduct the crucial business of stroking the retail buyers who decide which gamers to stock. From a business perspective, it's a win-win situation.

And I wish Game Jam (ugh) the very best of luck in convincing game publishers and developers to attend an East Coast event. During the two years E3 was held in Hothumidstickynastylanta, attendance figures plunged, since it cost so much more money for California developers and publishers to fly across the country instead of driving down the coast.

-- Z.

[ubersaurus]

The guy in charge showed up on AA-says that the name isn't changing from Phillyclassic, and that the "hack" is an advertisement move.

[Ed Siegler]

He also says he's going to "ignore the negativity". Unfortunately, I do not see a lot of positivity out of this.

[fcw3]

The question isn't whether he should ignore the negativity. With any change there will be resistance.

But if you listen carefully, the comments are "Why fix what isn't broken ?".

The show was evolving. It was incorporating the newer systems along with the old. I sold more NES and Sega Master stuff than I did Atari.

Name change ? Eh. So what ? Call it Dave's Show or whatever. Phillyclassic has a history. If you want to throw that history away and start something new, go right ahead.

Format change ? Sounds like hobbiests like me will probably be priced out as vendors.

Location change ? Maybe they got a great deal on a room. But if it is a 3 day show and I'm being asked to pay any more for a room, my interest level goes way down.
(Personally, I thought 3 days was too much. Friday and Saturday would be fine)

Production values ? Maybe some of the guests were disturbed by the lack of amenities they were offered. I mean, sitting on chairs on a small stage having questions yelled to them may have looked a little on the chintzy side.

Special guests ? Please. Go ahead. Increase the crowd. Bring in sports fans instead of game fans. Hire better security. More people means (potentially) more problems. The crowd we had over the last couple of years was game-oriented. You bring people there for something other than the games, people without the level of respect that one game collector has for another, and you will have problems.

Maybe I can unload some of my old baseball or football cards at the same time. Maybe I can pick up some of those baseball bobble heads or signed baseballs. Maybe we can even get a real rock band and we can have vendors selling nothing but records and CDs.

Oh wait. They have shows for people who like those things already... :roll:

The wider your focus is the shallower your depth.

This all a marketing ploy. Great. You got people talking about the show. If you listen, your core market is saying is they aren't interested.

Contrary to the cliche, there is such a thing as bad publicity.

FRED

[Kid Ice]

I am now copyrighting these phrases:

Lame Jam
Game Scam
Game Spam
Shame Jam
Name Scam

If you use any of these phrases, or any combination thereof, I expect royalty payments.

The first person to send me a boxed 2600 Crazy Climber will assume ownership of these terms.

The Kizzy

[o2william]

I came into this discussion late, so I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the hyperlinked letters in the "hacker's" demands spell out the word ATARI and link to the Austin Gaming Expo web site. Makes me wonder if this isn't some bizarre attempt at cross-promotion. Or perhaps this is a new development?

[calthaer]

That is a new development; it wasn't there earlier. If you'll notice that it says that the convention has to take place within the Little Rock, Arkansas city limits whereas we've been saying that the original one says it has to take place within Philly city limits...it also says first two weeks of Feb, 1969 and other junk that wasn't there before.

If it is really a joke, then someone actually made it sound like one instead of being serious. DP pointed out that it's not a joke, so...

If it wasn't really a joke and was more something like a lame attempt at advertising something (and trying to pin the lame name of Game Jam on the thing), then they're probably trying to make it more of a joke (Ginger and Maryanne? What are they, like 70 now?) and are pointing to another gamer's convention (Austin) where they actually have both classic and modern junk. Maybe they're trying to pattern PhillyClassic after this one.

But Game Jam...I mean, come on. "Jam" is a very early-90s word. It reminds me of that "Don't Copy That Floppy" thing and a whole bunch of white people singing bad rap on commercials because it is "hip" and "happenin'." THE FUN IS BACK, OH YESSIREE! IT'S THE 2600 FROM A-TA-RI! That's a funny (but lame) commercial.

It's campy and funny, but it doesn't make me want to go out and buy the product. If someone had an advertisement like "THE FUN IS BACK" today or did something similar like name their game expo "Game Jam" then I'd have to do something drastic like eat some Havarti cheese.

[Nate_Brazil]

I can now confirm that Wayne Newton has agreed to play 8 hours straight of Atari E.T. with any and all comers, prizes to be determined by our crack staff of expo namers.

I have to warn you ahead of time that Wayne plays a mean E.T... no, I mean he's REALLY MEAN, he drinks heavily and has been known to bully his opponents and insult their mothers.

In other news the classic game re-creationists will be re-enacting the battle of Galaga.

Due to tougher security restrictions at the West Philadelphia High School Basketball Gymnasium, any sarcasm that is dripping, will have to be checked at the door and those possessing sour grapes will be subjected to a cavity search.

__
Nathan Brazil
Lead Propagandist
http://www.phillyclassic.com

[digitalpress]

I can now confirm that Wayne Newton has agreed to play 8 hours straight of Atari E.T. with any and all comers, prizes to be determined by our crack staff of expo namers.

I have to warn you ahead of time that Wayne plays a mean E.T... no, I mean he's REALLY MEAN, he drinks heavily and has been known to bully his opponents and insult their mothers.

In other news the classic game re-creationists will be re-enacting the battle of Galaga.

Due to tougher security restrictions at the West Philadelphia High School Basketball Gymnasium, any sarcasm that is dripping, will have to be checked at the door and those possessing sour grapes will be subjected to a cavity search.

__
Nathan Brazil
Lead Propagandist
http://www.phillyclassic.com

Sweet baby Jesus. This is by far the worst "promotion" of an event our hobby has ever seen.

[sinistarrr]

while I read on here that there are in fact people who believe they are "in the know" I can assure you - ya don't!. Regardless of whether or not you're a mod here, live in philly or fleetwood.

** but, the wayne newton thing is funny **

have ya'll lost yer marbles. Last time i checked the ole' big DP guide - there was never any mention or chapter devoted to the "appropriate way" to market one of the flea markets?

Hmm, game jam, PC5, Ginger (the list can go on) - while the speculation is brewing and NO ONE here REALLY knows what's going down with the peeps who ARE IN CONTROL of that philly-thing. Me thinks this would be a good time to 'step aside' and take a 'nothing to see here' attitude until further notified.

cheers!

[Sniderman]

Me thinks this would be a good time to 'step aside' and take a 'nothing to see here' attitude until further notified.Stir up trouble, hype it up, let folks go nuts, change the website and make it more cryptic, THEN ask everyone to ignore it?!?!

I'm with DP. Those guys don't have a clue. "Me thinks" I want them to start talking straight and provide answers to their freaking CUSTOMERS. Twits. This X Files/Haxxor bullshit is idiotic. Are they changing the name/moving location/changing focus of the show? Simple friggin' questions there. They need to answer 'em or bugger off. Increasing the animousity and antagonizing their fan base is probably NOT what they intended - but it sure's as hell is what they got. I'd be scrambling doing damage control right now - especially if they hope to launch in 6-7 months.

[sniperCCJVQ]

"This it's the stupidest thing that ever happend in the history of our sport" (like they said in wrestling).

[sinistarrr]

[NOTE FROM SNIDERMAN]

I apologize to Sinistarr for the following: I meant to hit "quote" to respond to what he wrote. Stupidly, I hit my Mod "Edit" button and completely destroyed his response that was here. This was completely accidental and I encourage Sinistarr to reply again. As pissed as I am about what he posted, this was a foolish error and I didn't mean to screw up what he wrote. Once again, I apologize for my error. Please send your response again. Thanks.

[digitalpress]

The fact that this event has already been referred to as a "flea market" and we're a "classic gaming circus" speaks volumes about this individual, who, given the obviously poor command of the English language, probably has nothing to do with the past OR future PhillyClassic. If he/she does, I think I can safely scratch it from my calendar next year.

[Nate_Brazil]

Nothing brings harmony to a community like over moderation. Nice move there spanky, erasing an opposing voice from the record. Very NIXON of you.

You're as reliable a moderator as your so called 'insider information'.

And as for you, Mr. DP, Mr. OverPrice Guide, go take your king of the hill, high school clique attitude and ram it up your Vectrex you ill mannered, self important oaf.

95% of Philly Classic 4 attendees were from our area. That's who we're going to market to... when we decide to start "marketing", which we haven't.

Let the record show for as long as old snidy allows it to show, that all I did was change my website, I did not send an e-mail, a fax or fire up a smoke signal. YOU did that all yourselves. I was just uploading some graphics and text. YOU took it as a sign from the heavens that all was not well with the world and started your own rumor mill. You made this what it is. It is not reality, nor is it even sane.

If you want to burn bridges and antagonize old friends over nothing, go right ahead.

[digitalpress]

LOL

PhillyClassic... your leader has spoken.

Well at least I have something new for my signature! I'm gonna keep that clique overpriced self-important oafishness thingy alive for awhile, if you don't mind.

Strikes me especially funny how loyal supporters just trying to get to the bottom of it all are given the bum's rush instead of a polite (or even straight) answer. I've been to every PhillyClassic, promoted it, purchased a booth, gave the organizers stuff to give away, even wrote about it in my monthly Tips & Tricks column... and enjoyed each and every one. What a damn shame to see this happening.

[GrandAmChandler]

I agree DP, I was a vendor at PC4, and attended PC3, and I enjoyed every minute of both! There is no other event in the mid-atlantic area that I know of, and for me being in Delaware, PC is very convienient! I really hope this is all a big joke, and they revert back to Philly Classic 5 instead of "Game- Jam all the current modern systems into one room" show. And what right does ANYONE have to bash the DP GUIDE?? No one has any right to bash the guide, until they publish a guide themselves.


And thats the $.02 from Delaware........ We are small, but we have a voice too! :roll:

Sorry, I just thought I'd say what's on my mind for once....

[Sniderman]

Nothing brings harmony to a community like over moderation. Nice move there spanky, erasing an opposing voice from the record. Very NIXON of you..Jesus Christ. I *SAID* I did it by accident. I apologized all over the place. I invited Sinistarr to repost. I said I was sorry, sorry , sorry. Mea culpa. I took full responsibility. It was not a deliberate censoring of a post, but rather a stupid "hitting of the wrong button" event. I regret the error, as mentioned in the post above.

Now, having said that - AGAIN - feel free to kiss my lily white ass. Over and over. Non-stop. Until you need Chapstick and I need Preparation H and an innertube to sit upon.

And I'm certainly not speaking as a DP Mod in this respect, but rather as a former PC attendee who cannot FATHOM the sheer amount of chutzpah and arrogance its organizers have shown towards its patrons recently.

We just wanted an explanation as to what was going on. Seemed simple enough. We were actually CONCERNED that some idiot was trashing the site and your good name. Ha! Were we fools, for we didn't see that *you* were the idiot!

And rather than coming forward and explaining what the Hell was going on, you guys continue with this approach. What a shame. Well, good luck. I guess. I'm sure my money will be sorely missed. :/

[Nate_Brazil]

The shame is your attitude and your continual assumption that this is some sort of ploy.

it isn't.

It's just a website about a community who loves classic video games.

It's not NPR.

I suggest you get off your high horse and stop being so serious about everything.

I'm not going to pretend DPs involvement won't be missed at PC. It will. It's sad that you have taken things to this level. It's a shame that you feel the need to stab and poke at people who genuinely care about the community and want it to grow.

It seems the only thing growing around here is your ego.

You will be missed but we will struggle along without you. Perhaps all the complaints that regular customers had last year regarding the vendors using the DP Guide as a bible will now be addressed.

If you care to give an apology for letting slip [blabbing] inside private information that obviously changed before we put up the website, then we're all ears. I'm so sorry we did not update you before we decided to update our website.

Game Jam was never meant to be Philly Classic. It was a failed attempt at a road show for an expo. The graphics on the website were added as a joke while we tooled around and played with stuff. I'm so sorry you felt the need to interject your powerful insightful observation in such a negative and hateful way.

Have fun at CGE.

[GrandAmChandler]

Can't we all Just Get along........? :-D

[SoulBlazer]

What the hell is this idiotic dude saying anyway, and why should we care?

I read all his responses three times and it's all greek to me..... :/

[sinistarrr]

Me thinks this would be a good time to 'step aside' and take a 'nothing to see here' attitude until further notified.Stir up trouble, hype it up, let folks go nuts, change the website and make it more cryptic, THEN ask everyone to ignore it?!?!

I'm with DP. Those guys don't have a clue. "Me thinks" I want them to start talking straight and provide answers to their freaking CUSTOMERS. Twits. This X Files/Haxxor bullshit is idiotic. Are they changing the name/moving location/changing focus of the show? Simple friggin' questions there. They need to answer 'em or bugger off. Increasing the animousity and antagonizing their fan base is probably NOT what they intended - but it sure's as hell is what they got. I'd be scrambling doing damage control right now - especially if they hope to launch in 6-7 months.

Wait - so you're saying, in an all important way, that you and the rest of the classic gaming circus "require" an explanation for what has, is and might continue to happen to the PC site?

Me thinks there is a god complex going around. So, when Walmart slashes prices next time I'll be sure to have them send you notification and bullet out the reasons "why" just to appease you.

Or better yet, maybe sit back and enjoy the ride. :)

Cheers!

[punkoffgirl]

If you want to burn bridges and antagonize old friends over nothing, go right ahead.

Old friends? Whose friend are you? No one here even seems to know you, let alone claim you as a friend.

[Sniderman]

Regardless of all the bullshit, I appreciate Sinistarrr returning and reposting. Like I said regarding his initial post, it was an accident. I shall not even try to respond for fear of screwing it up again. Thanks for returning Sinistarrr. I don't agree with you at all, but I regret what happened with your earlier post.

And Nate Brazil can still kiss my ass as explained above.

[buttasuperb]

Am I watching TNT or is this a videogame message board?

DRAMA LOL

[sinistarrr]

Regardless of all the bullshit, I appreciate Sinistarrr returning and reposting. Like I said regarding his initial post, it was an accident. I shall not even try to respond for fear of screwing it up again. Thanks for returning Sinistarrr. I don't agree with you at all, but I regret what happened with your earlier post.

No problem there sparky! I would never shy away from a friendly little tongue lashing! Especially on a board such as this.

Who's right and who's wrong here? Well, it seems to be a bit early to judge all of that right now.

And I'm sure everyone here is more interested in the big AGE show coming this weekend (tomorrow) and the upcoming CGE.

What a great time will be had in Vegas, a chance to see all the "veteran stars" who started this great industry, hang out with serious collectors and chat up my copy of Adventure II with the masses.

Beyond that it will be good to find out if CGE can show sustained growth and make a profit! If they do, maybe they could sit down and write that chapter in the DP guide about "how-to" run a classic gaming show.

I'll be there with bells on - I'll probably be the one talking to all the women. Heh, you remember them right? Think "Custer's Revenge" but in a 128 bit version ;)

As for Mr. DP's snide remarks.

I'm sure that if all these fine people who are up in arms about the "hackings" and "mysterious" happenings in PhillyClassicland would be right surprised to know that you are "johnny on the spot" instigator and have done more to fuel a "boycott against every other classic show but CGE" for the longest time.

"This country ain't big enough for all these classic shows!" you once said.

Well, I disagree.

There should be even MORE shows like this (phillyclassic, Ciniclassic, AGE, NWGC, NEGE, CGE... and so on.) There should be one every month all across this great country! Classic gaming fans unite!

Hey, maybe one day (copyrighting this just in case "ole johnny on the spot" steals my ideas) someone might come along (who actually knows a thing or 2) and asks ALL these great shows (or at least the nice ones) to get organized together. Something we can all make money at, attract REAL sponsors (like PC4 did and the way AGE is currently - hint hint CGE). That way everyone wins (except the "mean guys") - and most of all - the fan base will flourish. You "old timers" need to move over a bit and let this new generation in - to see where it all began. If you can't educate or innovate - then you will be left behind.


And Nate Brazil can still kiss my ass as explained above.

Well then, I'll leave you 2 alone. <snicker snicker>

Cheers!

[digitalpress]

Are you out of your mind? I've been the biggest PROPONENT of gaming events you've ever seen, son!

Examples:

- As stated earlier, I've promoted, attended, exhibited at, and reported back in my column EVERY PhillyClassic. I've never had a negative thing to say about the show.

- Last month I was a sponsor for Video Game Summit.

- When AGE was announced I posted news both HERE and at the CGE site.

- I've attended countless gaming events over the years, including NAVA, NECG, and the Chicago and NJ gamer gatherings. I've done everything in my power to bring people together.

I'd be insulted if it weren't for the fact that you're clearly misinformed - and it doesn't help that someone without a name or identity would cast accusations like this. So I'm not insulted, and I hope I've enlightened you. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else - or taking the fact that I promote CGE more vigilantly than other events, but that's my JOB.

We'll talk some more at CGE. Don't forget to sign up for a badge in the CGE forum!

[Queen Of The Felines]

[I'll be there with bells on - I'll probably be the one talking to all the women. Heh, you remember them right? Think "Custer's Revenge" but in a 128 bit version ;)

I REALLY hope you didn't mean what I think that means.


Something we can all make money at, attract REAL sponsors (like PC4 did and the way AGE is currently - hint hint CGE).

Yeah, CGE needs to get M&M World to sponsor the show...I want free chocolate, dammit!

Kristine

[sinistarrr]

[I'll be there with bells on - I'll probably be the one talking to all the women. Heh, you remember them right? Think "Custer's Revenge" but in a 128 bit version ;)

I REALLY hope you didn't mean what I think that means.


Something we can all make money at, attract REAL sponsors (like PC4 did and the way AGE is currently - hint hint CGE).

Yeah, CGE needs to get M&M World to sponsor the show...I want free chocolate, dammit!

Kristine

Baby, what do you think I mean?

M&M World - yummy :)

[christianscott27]

whats really needed here is straight up press release that lays out whats really going on, free of cryptic hints and responses to ongoing arguments. just type up a couple paragraphs explaining whats to come, bottom line for most of us- will there be another philly classic focused on classic games or not?

as for doing a modern consoles show, theres nothing wrong with that at all. read the game board here, there are plenty of hardcore PS2 fans in the house. every year in boston there are big "welcome back students" expos which increasingly feature game companies, obviously theres a market for that sort of thing. the difference is this, i might go to one of those if its free and i happen to be in the area but i wouldnt go out of my way to be there. thats what i'm tallking about, if i lived near philly and there was a modern games expo i might attend out of curiousity, pick up some freebies and leave without breaking a $20. philly classic on the other hand inspires people to drive or fly 100's of miles and spend 100's of dollars. so you'd lose a very special demographic there, and a very special feeling of community...

[Kid Ice]

Something we can all make money at, attract REAL sponsors (like PC4 did and the way AGE is currently - hint hint CGE).


Well, that says a lot.

I wonder how PC4's sponsors feel now that you have made them aware that you don't consider them "REAL" sponsors.

When attending previous Phillyclassics, I was impressed by the courtesy, friendliness, and respect of the organizers. Neat website too. I thought PC was a class act. This is a real eye-opener.

Why so much contempt for the customers that have supported and enjoyed your events for years now?

[sniperCCJVQ]

philly classic on the other hand inspires people to drive or fly 100's of miles and spend 100's of dollars. so you'd lose a very special demographic there, and a very special feeling of community...

I raise my hand on this.

Driving from Quebec to Philly it's a big 9 hours and it's wearying and tiring. BUT when you finally arrive there and be able to talk and saw people you can only chat over the Net, buy stuff you cant get where you live (cheaper than ebay), him very happy to live that unique experience for almost 48 hours non-stop of classic gaming.

And for the "DP Guide has a bible" thing, well i used it only for the rarity rating and i don't care for the price beside it. I've been to PC2 and PC3 and never came across a somebody who was selling stuff "by the book". Lucky ? maybe.

[slapdash]

Game Jam was never meant to be Philly Classic. It was a failed attempt at a road show for an expo.

Does this mean, then, that there WILL be a PC5? If so, I think everyone can relax and get back to anticipating what a fine fest that will be. Right?

[sinistarrr]

Are you out of your mind? I've been the biggest PROPONENT of gaming events you've ever seen, son!

Examples:

- As stated earlier, I've promoted, attended, exhibited at, and reported back in my column EVERY PhillyClassic. I've never had a negative thing to say about the show.

- Last month I was a sponsor for Video Game Summit.

- When AGE was announced I posted news both HERE and at the CGE site.

- I've attended countless gaming events over the years, including NAVA, NECG, and the Chicago and NJ gamer gatherings. I've done everything in my power to bring people together.

I'd be insulted if it weren't for the fact that you're clearly misinformed - and it doesn't help that someone without a name or identity would cast accusations like this. So I'm not insulted, and I hope I've enlightened you. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else - or taking the fact that I promote CGE more vigilantly than other events, but that's my JOB.

We'll talk some more at CGE. Don't forget to sign up for a badge in the CGE forum!

I demand that you stop this madness at once.

Just because you GO to these events doesn't mean that you haven't been a nay-sayer regarding them and the peeps who run them, in person or on these AND OTHER boards. Promoting your show is cool - but doing it while bashing ALL the other shows...well, that ain't so cool.

Futher more - the fact that you go to these events prolly means that :wait for it: you're a freaky deaky collector like everyone else here.

So, what was you're rebuttal again? I feel a sleep while reading it (reminded me of an Oscar Speech).

btw, you wrote a column in Tips & Tricks and you mentioned PhillyClassic (or any other show)? How cool. The 3 peeps who actually read it were prolly very happy to be "in the know".

Cheers mate!

[GrandAmChandler]

Game Jam was never meant to be Philly Classic. It was a failed attempt at a road show for an expo.

Does this mean, then, that there WILL be a PC5? If so, I think everyone can relax and get back to anticipating what a fine fest that will be. Right?

For the love of God ........
i hope so............. :/