Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill [Archive] - Page 2

DreamTR

04-03-2012, 08:31 PM

While I'd generally agree with you, so much buzz has been brought up about supposedly shady dealing by you (not pointing fingers, just pointing out that the accusations are there), games, etc. along with the growing statements of 'maybe he stole it'....I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would even think of giving you money for it (or, really, anything) without some documentation on how you acquired the item.

Really so much buzz? Please tell me what "shady" dealings there are with me, what accusations and what examples. Would love to hear. I've sold tens of thousands of items on the internet since 1997 and you won't find anyone say I ripped them off on anything. You have one person saying something who ihas absolutely ZERO basis for that statement. Everything sounds like a bunch of lies right now because I have NEVER taken anyone's money and not given them anything and all my stuff is original so this should be interesting.

ubersaurus

04-03-2012, 08:34 PM

While I'd generally agree with you, so much buzz has been brought up about supposedly shady dealing by you (not pointing fingers, just pointing out that the accusations are there), games, etc. along with the growing statements of 'maybe he stole it'....I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would even think of giving you money for it (or, really, anything) without some documentation on how you acquired the item.

This is the first I've heard about any of this buzz. And honestly? Like practically all of the lab loaners and review copies and prototypes floating around were probably acquired under dubious circumstances somewhere along the line, or else we wouldn't be handling any of them. They'd be in some vault or probably destroyed.

He's released legit games before when people pay him either directly or indirectly, I don't see any reason why this should be the item everyone gets up in arms over.

Melf

04-03-2012, 11:28 PM

Also Socks was developed by a Japanese company, so thats a whole other bag of crap to deal with.... Im stating there are loopholes and Socks may very well fall into one.

That wouldn't be a problem, as the American branch of Kaneko had autonomy and did the licensing itself. After the success of the first Chester Cheetah game, Kaneko Japan gave more freedom to the American and European branches in designing games for western markets and for licensing. Socks was developed by a European group and licensed in America by Kaneko's American arm. While the licensing agreement has long since expired, I highly doubt that any copyright has.

badinsults

04-04-2012, 04:20 AM

That wouldn't be a problem, as the American branch of Kaneko had autonomy and did the licensing itself. After the success of the first Chester Cheetah game, Kaneko Japan gave more freedom to the American and European branches in designing games for western markets and for licensing. Socks was developed by a European group and licensed in America by Kaneko's American arm. While the licensing agreement has long since expired, I highly doubt that any copyright has.

Parodius Da clearly did not read my article. Realtime Associates is based in California, btw.

JSoup

04-04-2012, 06:32 AM

Really so much buzz? Please tell me what "shady" dealings there are with me, what accusations and what examples. Would love to hear. I've sold tens of thousands of items on the internet since 1997 and you won't find anyone say I ripped them off on anything. You have one person saying something who ihas absolutely ZERO basis for that statement. Everything sounds like a bunch of lies right now because I have NEVER taken anyone's money and not given them anything and all my stuff is original so this should be interesting.

And this is where I'm done.
You already know what I'm talking about, I'm not participating in this game.
I would, however, like to request your ebay username so I can block you.

DreamTR

04-04-2012, 06:56 AM

And this is where I'm done.
You already know what I'm talking about, I'm not participating in this game.
I would, however, like to request your ebay username so I can block you.

I PMed you since I have no idea what you are referring to. If you don't know my eBay name then this really makes zero sense.

Buyatari

04-04-2012, 09:04 AM

While I'd generally agree with you, so much buzz has been brought up about supposedly shady dealing by you (not pointing fingers, just pointing out that the accusations are there), games, etc. along with the growing statements of 'maybe he stole it'....I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would even think of giving you money for it (or, really, anything) without some documentation on how you acquired the item.

The only shady thing I see is this post.

I don't think this is a fair thing to say in a public forum without backing it up.

People can complain about the price or any antics but this.... This business you mention I've never heard of and I've been collecting a long time. Back it up.

If what you say is true than everyone needs to hear it. If you have nothing to say then you should say nothing.

Storyteller

04-04-2012, 12:03 PM

Socks the Cat eh?

It's me, I'm the voice in the video, I recorded the video on my crappy smart phone while Dream played it, I played it at the NA campout for the guys there. Dream didn't even want to do a video of it really, I was the one that pushed for it. It started out simple enough: Record a video of the game to let you guys know that yes, it's a thing. It exists. I have the only known gameplay footage online, but I do not own the game. After several people gave me hell on YT about the video (even going so far as to threaten me with death and destruction if I didn't release the rom), I decided screw it. That's why I added the disclaimer on the video. I did this for you guys, but got jaded later on.

DreamTR is what I would consider a close friend, I have bought and sold numerous things, done some side work here and there for him, hell we've played kickball together and I'm referred to as "Uncle Richard" around his babby lol. The man is trustworthy, both as a friend and someone to have dealings with. A lot of you have decided to give him shit for some reason, and honestly who gives a good god damn about what he does with his stuff. He originally got me into collecting, taught me about the history of both console and arcade games, and basically got me involved years back. A lot of what you guys are saying feels like it's just jealously manifesting itself in the 2 things that work best online: "Anger" and "Sarcasm" ("Herp" and "Derp" work equally as well too).

Just wanted to pitch my 2 cents in to say that yes, it exists, yes I've played a good ways through it, and yes its hillarious. I was going to set up a full playthrough in HD eventually (with several other unreleased games too, maybe even making a YT show out of it, pending his approval), but honestly the way the internet has reacted over a unreleased game about Bill Clinton's cat.....well, I'm good on that. Thanks for the laughs though, guys.

Melf

04-04-2012, 10:27 PM

Parodius Da clearly did not read my article. Realtime Associates is based in California, btw.

RTA did the SNES version, not the Genesis one, IIRC. Ellen Fuog told me that Kaneko USA was able to contract out to European developers after the first Chester Cheetah game. She listed Socks and Fido Dido (another unreleased game) as examples. She was referring specifically to Genesis development though.

badinsults

04-05-2012, 12:04 PM

RTA did the SNES version, not the Genesis one, IIRC. Ellen Fuog told me that Kaneko USA was able to contract out to European developers after the first Chester Cheetah game. She listed Socks and Fido Dido (another unreleased game) as examples. She was referring specifically to Genesis development though.

Although Ellen Fuog was definitely excited to talk about the games that Kaneko made, her memory was not 100%. She thought that a European company had done Socks for the SNES, when in reality it was Realtime Associates.

rbudrick

04-05-2012, 06:46 PM

badinsults

04-05-2012, 07:59 PM

Since this thread is mostly folks bashing DreamTR and DreamTR defending himself against insanity, can this thread be locked? I fear it's not going to hold any further usefulness to any party.

Seriously folks, if you've got issues with someone, send a PM, don't go defaming someone, especially someone who has done tons of good for the gaming community. This thread is just a rotting cesspool now.

-Rob

Hey, I'm will and am talking about the merits and history of this game. I'm as disappointed as anyone that it descended into a yelling match. If I had done this article for any other game, I reckon it would already be buried in page three of this forum. Let's face it, people want to love this game.

Greg2600

04-05-2012, 10:08 PM

Just wanted to pitch my 2 cents in to say that yes, it exists, yes I've played a good ways through it, and yes its hillarious. I was going to set up a full playthrough in HD eventually (with several other unreleased games too, maybe even making a YT show out of it, pending his approval), but honestly the way the internet has reacted over a unreleased game about Bill Clinton's cat.....well, I'm good on that. Thanks for the laughs though, guys.
Really, the "I was jumped on the Net now I'm taking my ball home" line again? You were bombed on YT because, firstly, your video was largely out of focus and wasn't still. Plus you and whoever else was there were laughing the whole time. I could post a video of a puppy, and 20 idiots would comment bad mouthing it. There are multitudes of good, thorough YT game reviewers, many who post on this forum, and while I'm sure they are routinely mad fun of with YT comments, they are not deterred. Hope you reconsider, because for every 1 moron, there are many more legitimate game enthusiasts who would appreciate such videos.

Melf

04-06-2012, 08:11 PM

Although Ellen Fuog was definitely excited to talk about the games that Kaneko made, her memory was not 100%. She thought that a European company had done Socks for the SNES, when in reality it was Realtime Associates.

She might be right though. David Warhol said Realtime Associates didn't do the Genesis version, so it could have been a European developer. It would be interesting to know who did it.

Guy Bramsworth

04-06-2012, 08:24 PM

I'm bored so just feel like summarizing this thread:

-DreamTR isn't too good at making his jokes obvious as jokes(blame plain text not being able to be interpreted the same way by everyone)
-It's easy to criminalize DreamTR just because he has prototypes
-The whole gaming community welcomes expensive games because they're still wrapped in plastic or had some complete strangers you'll never meet in your life called VGA give their "official"(i.e worthless) rating to it, but when it comes to a one of a kind copy of an unreleased game, any high price is just not cool.
-Parodius Duh is an idiot.
-The "I was jumped on the Net now I'm taking my ball home" is a great way to make yourself feel good in life(I'm sure we've all had our moments, regardless of how bad it makes you look.)

Anyway, if there's really some private individuals setting up their own fundraisers for this current $4000, I wonder if they'll ever pool money from the public. Can't imagine anyone besides the Lost Levels people that would get the money all by themselves and also eventually release the ROM.

skaar

04-06-2012, 09:20 PM

Someone link Bill Clinton to this thread.

goatdan

04-06-2012, 09:52 PM

I'm bored so just feel like summarizing this thread:

Yeah, yeesh. Honestly, $4,000 isn't out of line *at all* for something like this, I think.

Anyway, if there's really some private individuals setting up their own fundraisers for this current $4000, I wonder if they'll ever pool money from the public. Can't imagine anyone besides the Lost Levels people that would get the money all by themselves and also eventually release the ROM.

If I could *legally* sell it once I obtained it, I would send him the money immediately for it. I can't. I'm not personally a prototype collector, but I know multiple people who have paid more than $4,000 for one-of-a-kind protos like this before. I'd love to try playing through this -- I remember seeing the previews back in the day and being intrigued by it (didn't understand the political stuff, but thought it looked like Bubsy, but with Socks who was actually cooler because he was like, real, ya know?) I'd love to try it out now too.

skaar

04-06-2012, 10:32 PM

I still don't understand why you idiots pay such much for prototypes.

But I am glad you do.

megasdkirby

04-06-2012, 10:50 PM

I still don't understand why you idiots pay such much for prototypes.

But I am glad you do.

Because it boasts their nerdy ego. And also because they have a failed sense of the value of money. And because they want to "help" the community. And because many if not most are from NintendoAge.

badinsults

04-07-2012, 04:15 AM

She might be right though. David Warhol said Realtime Associates didn't do the Genesis version, so it could have been a European developer. It would be interesting to know who did it.

Oh, I would say it is highly likely that the Genesis version was done in Europe, since the two games were being developed independently. Ellen thought that Bits Corporation did the SNES version of Socks the Cat, but when I contacted the people who worked there, they had no recollection of it.

goatdan

04-07-2012, 02:37 PM

I still don't understand why you idiots pay such much for prototypes.

Well, for one, it makes an instant name for yourself online. Who owns Socks the Cat? There is only one known copy, and that is owned by that amazing collector Bilbo Baggins... man, he's got a great collection!

Your collection without the prototype is just your collection. With it, it raises the stature of your entire collection in some people's eyes.

I personally think that prototypes are extremely fascinating to see how games were created and changed. It's fascinating to look at them from that standpoint. But, alas, I'm okay with a really meager collection of most stuff, and I don't need people to know that I'm awesome ;)

Parodius Duh!

04-07-2012, 02:37 PM

I'm bored so just feel like summarizing this thread:

-Parodius Duh is an idiot.

You dont know shit you dickhead. Why am I an idiot? because you dont know a single fuck about my business, if you would read the replies youd see Im still in the right and not proven wrong. Fuck yourself and your all too common cock mouthed thread responses.

final fight cd

04-07-2012, 06:12 PM

Im currently looking for Ultimate Journey and if/when found, no matter what it costs me, you bet ur ass Id make it public as fast as possible. Release the games and go down as a part of gaming history, be that guy whos known for releasing titles after being lost for years, dont be that guy that everybody thinks is a hoarding dick.

you're so full of shit.

Griking

04-07-2012, 06:53 PM

You dont know shit you dickhead. Why am I an idiot? because you dont know a single fuck about my business, if you would read the replies youd see Im still in the right and not proven wrong. Fuck yourself and your all too common cock mouthed thread responses.

Back in the good old days this thread would have been closed down waaaay before it was allowed to reach this point.

Just out of curiosity, how many active mods are there currently?

badinsults

04-07-2012, 09:11 PM

Well, for one, it makes an instant name for yourself online. Who owns Socks the Cat? There is only one known copy, and that is owned by that amazing collector Bilbo Baggins... man, he's got a great collection!

Your collection without the prototype is just your collection. With it, it raises the stature of your entire collection in some people's eyes.

I personally think that prototypes are extremely fascinating to see how games were created and changed. It's fascinating to look at them from that standpoint. But, alas, I'm okay with a really meager collection of most stuff, and I don't need people to know that I'm awesome ;)

I have the only known prototype of Major Title, where are the accolades of my clearly superior collection?

intvsama

04-07-2012, 09:15 PM

Always relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyDWuyudH9U

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 04:40 PM

Because it boasts their nerdy ego. And also because they have a failed sense of the value of money. And because they want to "help" the community. And because many if not most are from NintendoAge.

That darn NA and their not so secret plot to manipulate the global economy of videogames just to spite people.

Of course 50k+ for Neo Geo games is perfectly reasonable because NA has nothing to do with it.

Who freakin cares how much someone pays for the things someone buys for himself? If you want it then buy it. If you don't want it or can't afford it then don't and go buy something else. Go to ebay and sort highest to lowest on completed videogame sales and find many more things that are even more unreasonably prices that actually sold.

The price for prototypes has really gone nowhere in the past 5 years while popular retail games have increased through the roof. I sold unreleased games in this range before NA was there. I can say with 100% conviction that in this case the price of this item has nothing nothing nothing to do with NA. I sold a Castlevania SOTN E3 version in 2007 for $3750 on ebay. If anything the price on that disc has come down since then not gone up or doubled,tripled or more like every other wanted videogame item.

Why do people spend what they do? Because they want the item and can afford it despite the fact that they are bashed for it.

skaar

04-08-2012, 05:50 PM

I tend to stand by my claim that they're just insane ;)

megasdkirby

04-08-2012, 06:14 PM

I tend to stand by my claim that they're just insane ;)

I agree with this and my previous quote.

Paying asinine amounts for something that is practically useless is just ludicrous, even if they want it. If a person is desperate to shell out that much of a game, it's their problem. Until the eventual "sell off", usually because they spend more that they should and desperately need money...all because of, well, a shitty sense of "the value of money".

"OMGZ I spent a 2K monies on a prototype that waz nevur released!1!1 I am so uber bettur than u becauz of that game! And I will never sell it off! OMGBBQKTHX!111!11!!!"

A few years down the line, the proto (or any game for that matter) sells. The cycle continues.

Or if they are really "intelligent", they will send it to the VGA, have it cracked open (exposing the eproms) and have it graded. I just hope it doesn't come to this level of stupidity. Oh wait, it has. (http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=66782)

Atamos

04-08-2012, 07:56 PM

I agree with this and my previous quote.

Paying asinine amounts for something that is practically useless is just ludicrous, even if they want it. If a person is desperate to shell out that much of a game, it's their problem. Until the eventual "sell off", usually because they spend more that they should and desperately need money...all because of, well, a shitty sense of "the value of money".

"OMGZ I spent a 2K monies on a prototype that waz nevur released!1!1 I am so uber bettur than u becauz of that game! And I will never sell it off! OMGBBQKTHX!111!11!!!"

A few years down the line, the proto (or any game for that matter) sells. The cycle continues.

Or if they are really "intelligent", they will send it to the VGA, have it cracked open (exposing the eproms) and have it graded. I just hope it doesn't come to this level of stupidity. Oh wait, it has. (http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=66782)

I was shocked when I've seen this NWC gold in a VGA case like that, this is ridiculous.

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 08:17 PM

"OMGZ I spent a 2K monies on a prototype that waz nevur released!1!1 I am so uber bettur than u becauz of that game! And I will never sell it off! OMGBBQKTHX!111!11!!!"

A few years down the line, the proto (or any game for that matter) sells. The cycle continues.
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You guys are retarded.

Yes all prototype buyers are this way and yet I've NEVER seen this happen since I started collecting videogames in the mid 90s.

Point to one thread started by someone who just bought a prototype for 2k or more and brags about it.

Not a thread where a new prototype was discovered on the cheap side. Not a thread where someone is trying to sell a prototype. Show me a thread where someone pays a huge price (2k or more as you put it) and feels the need to brag to the world how great they are for owning it.

Most buyers remain silent about it. They don't do it boost their ego and they don't want to deal with the type of shit you see here.

I take that back....you will from time to time see a thread from someone who buys an expensive prototype if they dump it for others to share. Perhaps you are talking about them and they should remain silent, keep it to themselves and not feed their egos so much.

megasdkirby

04-08-2012, 08:26 PM

You guys are retarded.

You gain lots of credibility right there, sir.

Yes all prototype buyers are this way and yet I've NEVER seen this happen since I started collecting videogames in the mid 90s.

You are kidding, right? Even Joe can testify to this. One of the first I recall was Tim Duarte (2600 Connection) selling his prototype copy of a 2600 game (it was a shooter) and I remember he never had an intention to do so. So...seriously? If you would have been collecting since the mid 90's, you should have known this.

Point to one thread started by someone who just bought a prototype for 2k or more and brags about it.

Too many to choose at NintendoAge, SegaAge, AtariAge...all the dens of desperate folk.

Not a thread where a new prototype was discovered on the cheap side. Not a thread where someone is trying to sell a prototype. Show me a thread where someone pays a huge price (2k or more as you put it) and feels the need to brag to the world how great they are for owning it.

Again, see above.

Most buyers remain silent about it. They don't do it boost their ego and they don't want to deal with the type of shit you see here.

Never did I imply that those who inflate their ego actually brag about it. They do so for their own satisfaction...which is miniscule as it is. Point where I said "brag" in any of these posts.

I take that back....you will from time to time see a thread from someone who buys an expensive prototype if they dump it for others to share. Perhaps you are talking about them and they should remain silent, keep it to themselves and not feed their egos so much.

At least those who dump contribute to the community. I've yet to see a "hoarder", or those who never want to "dump" a rom, do so with their prototypes.

badinsults

04-08-2012, 08:50 PM

I have never seen a thread that is crapped on as much as this one.

I lament at how few people are interested in the history and detailed documentation of games.

Ryaan1234

04-08-2012, 09:42 PM

Too many to choose at NintendoAge, SegaAge, AtariAge...all the dens of desperate folk.

Don't forget those crazies at AstrocadeAge!

JSoup

04-08-2012, 09:42 PM

I have never seen a thread that is crapped on as much as this one.

0_0 Do you read the threads that get started around here? Shit like this happens at least twice bi-monthly.

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 10:10 PM

You are kidding, right? Even Joe can testify to this. One of the first I recall was Tim Duarte (2600 Connection) selling his prototype copy of a 2600 game (it was a shooter) and I remember he never had an intention to do so. So...seriously? If you would have been collecting since the mid 90's, you should have known this.

Name strikes a bell.

Show me this post where he bought the prototype for over 2k and made a thread to brag about his purchase.

Too many to choose at NintendoAge, SegaAge, AtariAge...all the dens of desperate folk.

Yes way way too many to show me one.

Never did I imply that those who inflate their ego actually brag about it. They do so for their own satisfaction...which is miniscule as it is. Point where I said "brag" in any of these posts.

Makes no sense. If someone overpaid to buy something simply to have the ego stroked they would flaunt it.

At least those who dump contribute to the community. I've yet to see a "hoarder", or those who never want to "dump" a rom, do so with their prototypes.

Not that it matters..... It is their business what they do with their property but Dream has dumped undumped protos before for free so has just about every proto collector that I know of.

However, if I was Dream and I owned this particular socks game I'd be tempted to burn it and tape it on youtube for all to see. No one should have to put up with this crap. You guys are a bunch of crybabies. Name calling, hinting at "shady deals" and accusing people of stealing just because you can't have something that isn't yours.

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 10:19 PM

0_0 Do you read the threads that get started around here? Shit like this happens at least twice bi-monthly.

Does bi-monthy mean once every 2 months or twice a month?

Wouldn't it be easier to say once a week or once a month. lol

skaar

04-08-2012, 10:43 PM

I prefer Evan's approach to protos.

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 10:52 PM

I prefer Evan's approach to protos.

This guy?

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?156080-Looking-for-NYC-locals-for-Wikipedia-help

5000 posts - EGO STROKE !

Gameguy

04-08-2012, 10:53 PM

Or if they are really "intelligent", they will send it to the VGA, have it cracked open (exposing the eproms) and have it graded. I just hope it doesn't come to this level of stupidity. Oh wait, it has. (http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=66782)
That is the stupidest thing I've seen in awhile, and it took until the second page for people to even mention the problem with erasing the Eproms. What's worse is that few people even cared, saying it's just a display piece so it doesn't matter.

Reminds me of this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r39gS5wz9wU#t=01m40s

Those guys don't play games, they just keep them on a shelf to say they have them.

Buyatari

04-08-2012, 11:05 PM

That is the stupidest thing I've seen in awhile, and it took until the second page for people to even mention the problem with erasing the Eproms. What's worse is that few people even cared, saying it's just a display piece so it doesn't matter.

Reminds me of this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r39gS5wz9wU#t=01m40s

Those guys don't play games, they just keep them on a shelf to say they have them.

It is true some collectors don't play games often. I collect lots of older games (2600 and NES etc ) but it has been quite a few years since I can remember putting any real time on either system. These days I'll clock my time on the Xbox 360.

There was a time when I spent hours and hours on those systems and yeah I enjoy collecting for them. It is unfair to say that none of these guys play the games they collect. Many prototype buyers tear these things up and compare every minor detail change against the released versions. If you want to bash someone for not playing the games sealed only collectors are a better choice.

---- edit ----

I will add I don't know what to think of that NWC. On one hand I don't like the way it looks in there. Still there are many fakes out there these days. If I still had one and was going to sell it I might do this just to authenticate the piece before I sold it. The new owner can always crack it open once he gets it. Still they make cheap repros of this cart so why would you want to play a 20k+ cart when you can play a $50 copy?

badinsults

04-08-2012, 11:06 PM

This guy?

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?156080-Looking-for-NYC-locals-for-Wikipedia-help

5000 posts - EGO STROKE !

He was referring to me. :p

Edit: I should make it clear, I think there is plenty of whining on both sides of the equation, and it is all on display in this thread.

final fight cd

04-08-2012, 11:28 PM

Because it boasts their nerdy ego. And also because they have a failed sense of the value of money. And because they want to "help" the community. And because many if not most are from NintendoAge.

i don't visit this site too often, but it seems that every time i do you and portnoyd are bitching about other people spending their own money on video game items. in fact, i'm actually surprised portnoyd hasn't chimed in yet.

explain to me how any of this has any bearing on your life and why you care so much what other people spend on video games? do you have other accounts on comic collecting sites, baseball card collecting sites, coin collecting sites, etc bitching to them also? have you ever thought that a lot of these high spenders are successful in life with very well paying jobs? is that why you are so salty? because you aren't successful?

Gameguy

04-08-2012, 11:44 PM

It is true some collectors don't play games often. I collect lots of older games (2600 and NES etc ) but it has been quite a few years since I can remember putting any real time on either system. These days I'll clock my time on the Xbox 360.

There was a time when I spent hours and hours on those systems and yeah I enjoy collecting for them. It is unfair to say that none of these guys play the games they collect. Many prototype buyers tear these things up and compare every minor detail change against the released versions. If you want to bash someone for not playing the games sealed only collectors are a better choice.
I'm not so much against the game being graded, but having the Eprom exposed to light completely uncovered just gets to me. There's two main ways to go about serious collecting, prioritising preservation or prioritising for display purposes. Those guys are focusing on display, most guys don't even care if the thing still works. If they just have a cool display to show off or look at it's all that matters. With comic books, trading cards, or coins there's a reason they're sealed, even the oils from your hands can damage the paper or finish over time. Technically that's still true with game carts, but there's so many other things that can damage them and leaving them untouched won't stop that from happening. They'll need maintenance like collector cars or bicycles, batteries and capacitors need to be replaced or they'll corrode the board and the connectors need to be cleaned or they'll also corrode. Not every type of collectible should be graded to best preserve them.

Maybe not all of the collectors there don't play games, but I'm sure the majority are like that. I don't really care about sealed collectors, I get that there's an appeal for keeping things new so that's fine. But not playing used games makes no sense, even if just to briefly test them. I bought a collection from a local member of that site, nothing was cleaned or tested in any way. Connectors covered in thick dust, dirt, or even green corrosion. When I was done cleaning and testing everything there were 4 defective carts, nothing was tested by this collector. Would those defective games still be worth something if they're only on display? I don't think so. He's a nice guy but I'm so glad I talked down his asking price, for the work I had to do with those games they weren't worth that much.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 12:20 AM

I'm not so much against the game being graded, but having the Eprom exposed to light completely uncovered just gets to me. There's two main ways to go about serious collecting, prioritising preservation or prioritising for display purposes. Those guys are focusing on display, most guys don't even care if the thing still works. If they just have a cool display to show off or look at it's all that matters. With comic books, trading cards, or coins there's a reason they're sealed, even the oils from your hands can damage the paper or finish over time. Technically that's still true with game carts, but there's so many other things that can damage them and leaving them untouched won't stop that from happening. They'll need maintenance like collector cars or bicycles, batteries and capacitors need to be replaced or they'll corrode the board and the connectors need to be cleaned or they'll also corrode. Not every type of collectible should be graded to best preserve them.

Maybe not all of the collectors there don't play games, but I'm sure the majority are like that. I don't really care about sealed collectors, I get that there's an appeal for keeping things new so that's fine. But not playing used games makes no sense, even if just to briefly test them. I bought a collection from a local member of that site, nothing was cleaned or tested in any way. Connectors covered in thick dust, dirt, or even green corrosion. When I was done cleaning and testing everything there were 4 defective carts, nothing was tested by this collector. Would those defective games still be worth something if they're only on display? I don't think so. He's a nice guy but I'm so glad I talked down his asking price, for the work I had to do with those games they weren't worth that much.

The eproms should be ok if he keeps it out of bright light. I will agree with the assumption that yeah he most likely doesn't care at this point if it goes bad. He bought it to have it and if it makes him feel good to own it and have it cased that way more power to him.

I still think the experience you had was an exception to the rule not the majority. Now I'm one of the worst when it comes to that kinda thing so I many not be one to talk but I've had the feeling that I am one of the worst for some time. There are collectors out there that have buying compulsions of some type. We just buy and buy and buy. Screwed up in the head for sure but we buy things we enjoy even if we don't play every single game. I know guys with classic games stashed in every and I mean every single room in the house bathroom and kitchen cabinets included.

I can't speak for everyone. For me it stems from a childhood where everyone my age had nice things and we had very little. I can also honestly say that I don't know anyone who collects prototypes to feel above anyone else or to stroke their ego. Not to say it isn't possible for one to exist but it is very unlikely esp with all the trash talking that happens.

badinsults

04-09-2012, 12:36 AM

I have a question. How many of you people actually read the article I wrote?

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 01:09 AM

I have a question. How many of you people actually read the article I wrote?

Sounds like a poll is in order.

I admit that I didn't read it.

badinsults

04-09-2012, 01:24 AM

Sounds like a poll is in order.

I admit that I didn't read it.

Good idea. The problem here is that I am a video game historian, and there is not enough discussion about that. I want to play Socks the Cat just as much as anyone, but that isn't why I made the article. Digital Press was a repository for tons of video game information, and it is a shame no one wants to talk about it anymore. The biggest compliment I have got so far came from the owner of Realtime Associates, who loved it.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 01:46 AM

Good idea. The problem here is that I am a video game historian, and there is not enough discussion about that. I want to play Socks the Cat just as much as anyone, but that isn't why I made the article. Digital Press was a repository for tons of video game information, and it is a shame no one wants to talk about it anymore. The biggest compliment I have got so far came from the owner of Realtime Associates, who loved it.

I can see this is important to you. Sorry that I contributed to the crapping on your thread. Perhaps a mod can be asked to cut away all the fat and just leave the meat in this thread.

JSoup

04-09-2012, 02:08 AM

Does bi-monthy mean once every 2 months or twice a month?

Wouldn't it be easier to say once a week or once a month. lol

Make a new thread about it so we can bitch back and forth. This will put the forum ahead on it's quota, think of the time we'll save!

Edit: Also, I read badinsults article and thought it was pretty damn interesting.

Gameguy

04-09-2012, 02:59 AM

I have a question. How many of you people actually read the article I wrote?
I read it shortly after it was posted. It was very detailed and thorough, I enjoyed it up until the part where you slammed DreamTR and literally called him a troll. Not that I really care either way about what he does with the game, but it just made it clear that your article wasn't completely unbiased. Saying he owns it is fine, saying there's a poor quality video of it is cool too, saying the video was purposely posted for the sole reason of trolling people isn't. Just from a reliable news source point of view it doesn't seem right.

DreamTR owns a prototype of Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill. Unfortunately, he wants an item that costs the equivalent of about $10,000 for the game, so it is unlikely that anyone is going to be playing this anytime soon. He created a (poorly done) video of one of the levels with the expressed intent to troll people who want to play the game but cannot afford his asking price:
Maybe that's why the thread got derailed and the focus shifted towards him and the debate on collecting prototypes?

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 03:26 AM

I read it shortly after it was posted. It was very detailed and thorough, I enjoyed it up until the part where you slammed DreamTR and literally called him a troll. Not that I really care either way about what he does with the game, but it just made it clear that your article wasn't completely unbiased. Saying he owns it is fine, saying there's a poor quality video of it is cool too, saying the video was purposely posted for the sole reason of trolling people isn't. Just from a reliable news source point of view it doesn't seem right.

Maybe that's why the thread got derailed and the focus shifted towards him and the debate on collecting prototypes?

Wow that is funny. He did start all of this. No wonder the thread was doomed.

I wouldn't put your hopes on a fundraiser. It has always been clear that DreamTR has no intention of selling or sharing this. The huge sums he wants for it is merely a big troll (as was the video), and I'm sure he is getting a kick out of it. I will backhand anyone who even attempts pays $5000+ for this.

@badinsults - Whatever your issues are with Dream if you want this to be about the game then take your own advice and keep it just about the game.

badinsults

04-09-2012, 04:19 AM

Wow that is funny. He did start all of this. No wonder the thread was doomed.

@badinsults - Whatever your issues are with Dream if you want this to be about the game then take your own advice and keep it just about the game.

You are right, I have taken down that passage and I apologize to DreamTR. I am just frustrated that the shaky video on youtube that is full of snarky comments is probably the only thing we will ever have that displays the gameplay of this game. I'd suggest that he gets is friend to take it down and record a better one. When you see the Youtube description:

UPDATED 8/27: Dear friends, further whining and complaining and DEMANDING for this to be released for free will be met with laughter, finger pointing, and ridicule. I've had people message me, demanding me to release this as a rom, threatening me and calling me most names in the book. Protip: Spend some money yourself obtaining these and dump them yourself. No one is "hoarding" anything but people sure do forget when people already have dumped things for them in the past. Just enjoy the video friends, and know that yes, this does exist somewhere in the world :)

I couldn't help but think that it was just an elaborate troll.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 08:35 AM

I couldn't help but think that it was just an elaborate troll.

You just HAD to throw that in there at the end. lol

Soooo close....well you tried. I can't fault you too much. It is hard to be fair and objective on a topic you are passionate about.

badinsults

04-09-2012, 08:46 AM

Hey, I tried.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 08:49 AM

Hey, I tried.

Yeah I know...They don't call ya badinsults for nothing !

portnoyd

04-09-2012, 08:54 AM

You just HAD to throw that in there at the end. lol

Soooo close....well you tried. I can't fault you too much. It is hard to be fair and objective on a topic you are passionate about.

In all fairness, he was just citing what sparked the way he worded his comment on the video on the article. It was not a new comment; read the post in full, removing the break for the quote of the Youtube comment.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 09:10 AM

In all fairness, he was just citing what sparked the way he worded his comment on the video on the article. It was not a new comment; read the post in full, removing the break for the quote of the Youtube comment.

He is justifying his actions at the same time as he is apologizing for them. Not the best way to bring about closure.

Come on man you are married just like I am so you know that an apology like this doesn't fly.

Honey, let's put this all behind us and not talk about it anymore. I'm really sorry I called you an idiot yesterday but after what you did I couldn't help but call you an idiot. Now what's for dinner?

portnoyd

04-09-2012, 09:29 AM

He is justifying his actions at the same time as he is apologizing for them. Not the best way to bring about closure.

I didn't know justification was the same as motivation. God forbid he shows how he saw it from his own perspective. It's not his fault Wilson's fucktard friend made a shitty video but it was his motivation for making the comment he did. I must have missed the part where he said DreamTR deserved the flame for the poor video.

And you're not exactly one to talk about closure when you could have ignored the comment, accepted the apology and moved on. Of course, I could have too.

What were we talking about again?

skaar

04-09-2012, 09:33 AM

I still think we need Bill Clinton to speak up on this.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 10:07 AM

What were we talking about again?

Bronies.

Tupin

04-09-2012, 10:15 AM

I still think we need Bill Clinton to speak up on this.

Maybe they gave him a copy. It was based on his cat afterall. Someone should ask him about it.

Buyatari

04-09-2012, 10:22 AM

Maybe they gave him a copy. It was based on his cat afterall. Someone should ask him about it.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5088762_contact-president-bill-clinton.html

How to contact Bill CLinton.

1. Send letters though the United States mail to one of the foundation addresses. The one in New York is: William J. Clinton Foundation, 55 West 125th Street, New York, N.Y. 10027. The foundation website had several other addresses in 2011.

2. Use the contact forms on the Clinton foundation website. Clinton himself may not see these notes unless they are forwarded to him.

3. "Friend" President Clinton on facebook and email him through that social media venue.

I will add to this that when sending mail, throwing in a box of cigars and some worn panties can't hurt your chances.

JSoup

04-09-2012, 02:03 PM

If Clinton does have a copy, I'd love to read the transcript of someone trying to explain all this drama to him. Think he'd be up for someone dumping the ROM? :D

Gameguy

04-09-2012, 05:22 PM

What were we talking about again?
Oh, uh lets see.

I still think we need Bill Clinton to speak up on this.

Bronies.

http://i43.tinypic.com/dfcdn7.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ujleah.jpg

Is that right? Maybe he got distracted and forgot to release the game?

Tupin

04-09-2012, 05:49 PM

Well, I actually sent the Clinton Foundation an email about this. I doubt I'll ever get a response, but it can't hurt to try, right?

SegaAges

04-10-2012, 12:14 AM

brony stuff

Why do I now hate Bill Clinton?

badinsults

04-10-2012, 04:19 AM

Well, I actually sent the Clinton Foundation an email about this. I doubt I'll ever get a response, but it can't hurt to try, right?

If you are serious, the Clinton administration had nothing to do with the Socks the Cat license. It was owned by these two people in a non-profit organization called Presidential Socks Partnership. I contacted them, and though they do remember having a copy of the game, they are pretty sure that they returned the copy to Kaneko.

A better place to ask would be the Presidential Pets Museum (http://presidentialpetmuseum.com/), where a lot of the Socks memorabilia is located.