Can someone please explain RPG games to me

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

Im serious. I bought Xenosaga 1,2,& 3 and I finally popped in part one and I really dont have a clue about whats going on. Im talking about the actual game play where you have to go through s long sequence for every attack. You cant just go up and swing a sward or shoot. I have never played this type of game and I want to understand them better. I also tried Valkyrie Profile for PlayStation and PSP.

[Genesaturn]

Their are different type of RPG's. There are Action-RPG's, Turn-Based RPG's. and Strategy RPG's..then ones that mix in different types of play...there isn't much to understand. Most of your classic RPG's are all turn-based. Xenosaga...is a unique RPG...I didn't care for it myself, it was like a space soap opera. Xenogears is the precurser which came out for PS1...highly recommend it as it is really nothing like Xenosaga.

Again, not all games play the same way...once you understand that..then your ok..if all you want to do is run around, shoot things and hack things up..then RPG's generally probably aren't for you..unless you give action RPG's a try. Even still something unique to RPG's is the storyline , so you are always going to be involved in reading or listening to a lot of dialogue and following a story closely.

[davidbrit2]

Role-Playing Game games?

[Retronick]

I felt the same way the first time I tried a turn-based RPG. However, I also got used to the idea pretty quickly and would grow to prefer turn-based RPGs. Even though that time has come and gone, there are still a few I like to go back to.

-Final Fantasy V, VI, VII, VIII
-Albert Odyssey
-Panzer Dragoon Saga
-Phantasy Star IV: The end of the millenium

Nowadays I prefer either Western RPGS (Mass Effect series), and action RPGs (Link to the Past). It depends on the style of play you're looking for. If you don't have the patience for turn-based combat and a massive developing plot, then this genre might not be for you. Give a chance with a decent game though. Download FFVII from PSN if you can.

[fluid_matrix]

What type is the original LoZ considered? Because as far as I can remember, thats the only RPG I've ever liked.

[stalepie]

The main difference is that RPGs are about stats. I haven't played Xenosaga, but if it's in any way normal you are trying to raise the stats of the levels of your characters by winning fights. Try to buy the best armor and weapons you can afford, and buy any items you need when venturing far from town, like healing potions. You need to win a lot of easy battles first so that your characters go up a few levels. Then you can go farther away from the start and fight harder enemies, or be strong enough to beat the first dungeon you have to go in.

You will get more experience points the more monsters you fight, which means your overall attack power and health is stronger (your max hit points will be higher but you need to rest at an inn or heal up some other way to show it). Staying at an inn will also heal up your magic points, or as Xenosaga appears to have it, "ether" points. Overall your characters become stronger over time and the harder monsters you fight will give you more experience points, meaning there comes a point where it's no longer fruitful to fight weak enemies.

Xenosaga series may be an elaboration on the basic RPG ideas, so it could be confusing to newcomers. Try Dragon Quest VIII (http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Quest-VIII-Journey-Playstation-2/dp/B0009A4EV2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335109798&sr=8-1) on the PS2, or an older game like Final Fantasy II on the SNES, if you want something easier to get into, more classic.



What type is the original LoZ considered? Because as far as I can remember, thats the only RPG I've ever liked.

That's an action-RPG. Other action-rpgs include Ys, Diablo, Soul Blazer, the Mana series, Landstalker, Dark Souls, Mass Effect, Cadash, Kingdom Hearts, Odin Sphere, Crystalis, Faxanadu, Dungeons of Daggorath, and others. The difference being that dexterity is involved as much as stats, and a good player can actually beat the game with low stats, as some people can beat Demon's Souls without leveling up.

But you're locked in the stats in a traditional RPG (Dungeons and Dragons, Wizardry), and dexterity isn't an element.

Some people say Zelda is not an RPG because it doesn't involve stats, but is rather an adventure game.

[SpaceFlea]

What type is the original LoZ considered? Because as far as I can remember, thats the only RPG I've ever liked.

It is not an Action-RPG, or an RPG of any manner. It is an Action Adventure.

[Gameguy]

What type is the original LoZ considered? Because as far as I can remember, thats the only RPG I've ever liked.
It's an action-adventure game, just like all Zelda games except Zelda II(and the CDi games). If there's no stats to build up it's not an RPG. Zelda II is an action-RPG.

As far as I can tell Xenosaga is unrelated to Xenogears, it just follows the same style and direction as Xenogears as it was made by most of the same people. It's not a sequel or a prequel series.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

This helps a lot. I didnt want to just shoot, I wanted to understand so I can have a start on what I was doing. Ok, another question, what is the reasoning behind the conversations and menu selections before each attack?

[Edmond Dantes]

Im serious. I bought Xenosaga 1,2,& 3 and I finally popped in part one and I really dont have a clue about whats going on. Im talking about the actual game play where you have to go through s long sequence for every attack. You cant just go up and swing a sward or shoot. I have never played this type of game and I want to understand them better. I also tried Valkyrie Profile for PlayStation and PSP.

For one thing, you might want to start with classics, like the first Dragon Warrior trilogy or the first seven Final Fantasy games, maybe Chrono Trigger and Earthbound if you can score them (as every one of those games except Earthbound have been ported to damn near every console under the sun, that shouldn't be too hard). Modern RPGs tend to give you WAY too much to keep up with.

But basically, what you got to understand is that RPGs aren't (normally) about blazing fast reflexes and adrenaline rushes. They're usually more akin to strategy games. You just give characters a command from a menu and they do it. The challenge is in trying to best strategize your attacks so that the enemy takes more damage than you do (and hopefully, dies before you do). And then there's stat-grinding RPGs where the whole thrill is admiring how strong your characters get through constant battle and getting better equipment. I've never played Xenosaga or Valkyrie Profile so I'm not sure what camp they fall into, but most RPGs will be one or those two.

[j_factor]

Xenosaga is not a very good start if you're new to RPGs.

[Ryudo]

Xenosaga is not a very good start if you're new to RPGs.

Yeah agreed. If new to RPG's. For Novice I suggest The Last Story,Grandia/Grandia II,Skies of Arcadia,Ys series. I would even say the remakes of Final Fantasy 1-4 on PSP also a good start. Xenosaga is for people who know the genre very well. Also to those wondering no. Xenogears is unrelated. Monolith just likes the name really. Xenoblade?
Personally I think it's the best Genre.

[kupomogli]

I'd suggest starting at a classic RPG first. You don't really want to start with something too good and then anything that's worse kills any fun you may have of them. If you were to start with games like Grandia, Xenogears, Wild ARMs, Final Fantasy, etc, you might just not want to put the time into playing anything that isn't as good.

I'd say the best game to really start out as an RPG would be the original Dragon Warrior. It's a pretty unremarkable game really, but it's got great music, nice world, and an overall good game if you've actually never really gotten into the genre. So let Dragon Warrior be your benchmark. If the game is worse than Dragon Warrior, don't bother. If it's better, then it's atleast decent.

Also, play Final Fantasy 3 or 3 DS before any of the others. You'll want to get that piece of garbage out of the way before you get into the better games or you might not ever go back to it.

[FoxNtd]

It took me a few hours but I finally got it. I remembered exactly what I want to recommend. Something not difficult to drive you insane, with great BGM, highly entertaining and humorous characters with a nice story, nice visuals, easy to grasp gameplay... pretty much all you want to have. Lunar and Lunar 2 for Saturn. I still have a lot of Saturn games to play but Lunar 2 is gonna remain high on my list of loved titles. :)

[Edmond Dantes]

It took me a few hours but I finally got it. I remembered exactly what I want to recommend. Something not difficult to drive you insane, with great BGM, highly entertaining and humorous characters with a nice story, nice visuals, easy to grasp gameplay... pretty much all you want to have. Lunar and Lunar 2 for Saturn. I still have a lot of Saturn games to play but Lunar 2 is gonna remain high on my list of loved titles. :)

Playstation, not Saturn. The Saturn versions are Japan-only... unless you know something I don't?

[SpaceHarrier]

Xenosaga is not a very good start if you're new to RPGs.

Playing Xenosaga to get into RPGs would be like deciding you have a slight interest in theater and then going to a 5 hour german opera for your first show.

Honestly, Final Fantasy III (VI) was my first RPG, and I struggled to get into it. Suikoden was the first RPG I felt comfortable with and played all the way through. Very simple game (paperwork management wise) and under 20 hours long, but still fun, with a great plot and music.

I also agree with Lunar, and the PSP version is fun too.

[jonebone]

Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy Mystic Quest are about the best two beginner RPGs I can nominate. Both for SNES and both very easy to learn, even for someone new to the genre.

[FoxNtd]

Playstation, not Saturn.

No. Fuck the PS version.


The Saturn versions are Japan-only... unless you know something I don't?

My Japanese Saturn smiles at you. :)

http://www.famicom.biz/all/catalogue/4997766300016.jpghttp://www.famicom.biz/all/catalogue/4997766300061.jpg

[isufje]

Just play Xenogears and forget Xenosaga. This coming from a devout Xenogears fan. Just read what the creator of both games has to say:

On the connection between Xenogears and Xenosaga, Takahashi has stated:

It's probably more suitable to say that it follows the direction and style of Xenogears. […] Now that we are under a different company, we figured we should start everything from scratch all over again. Though there are familiar faces that serve as important characters in Xenosaga, others are more like self-parodies, so we don't really want Xenogears fans to overreact. Like movies, sometimes you have the director of the movie or friend of the leading actor appearing as cameos, so it's similar to that.[6]

-in other words, your just gonna waste 999+ hours of your life just to get a cameo of Fei and Elly's original bodies. In my opinion it's not worth it. Just play Xenogears and wait for a real sequel/prequel. Believe me, there will BE one! Just wait...


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[Gameguy]

Playstation, not Saturn. The Saturn versions are Japan-only... unless you know something I don't?
I assumed he meant the Sega CD, but I guess not. A friend of mine used to call the Sega CD a Saturn for some reason, he forgot the name of it as he didn't play it too often anymore. He told me he had a Saturn, but then described having games like Fahrenheit. After asking for more of a description he said it plugged into the side of a Genesis, so I knew what he was really talking about. Apparently his dad bought the Genesis at launch and later bought the Sega CD at launch or shortly after it came out, he remembered playing it but wasn't into games anymore.

[JSoup]

While we're on the topic of RPGs, you all might want to give this guys comments a look through:

https://twitter.com/#!/Taxonomic

He came up during the weekly Backloggery chat as a guy who seems to view long ass RPGs with hard grinds as being for the elite.


Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy Mystic Quest are about the best two beginner RPGs I can nominate. Both for SNES and both very easy to learn, even for someone new to the genre.

A decent, simple, modern alternative would be Breath of Death VII: The Beginning.

[Aussie2B]

I'd suggest starting at a classic RPG first. You don't really want to start with something too good and then anything that's worse kills any fun you may have of them. If you were to start with games like Grandia, Xenogears, Wild ARMs, Final Fantasy, etc, you might just not want to put the time into playing anything that isn't as good.

I'd say the best game to really start out as an RPG would be the original Dragon Warrior. It's a pretty unremarkable game really, but it's got great music, nice world, and an overall good game if you've actually never really gotten into the genre. So let Dragon Warrior be your benchmark. If the game is worse than Dragon Warrior, don't bother. If it's better, then it's atleast decent.

Also, play Final Fantasy 3 or 3 DS before any of the others. You'll want to get that piece of garbage out of the way before you get into the better games or you might not ever go back to it.

Huh? What the heck kind of logic is that? If someone is introduced to a genre with a bad game, then it'll probably scare them off the genre, never wanting to give it another try. I would venture to guess that 99% of the time that somebody gets into a genre new to them is because they play a game they really loved and then pursue the genre further to find another that they'll like just as much. Even if you stumble across some so-so ones along the way, the drive to find more great ones remains.

And if those games are so bad, why the heck does someone need to get them "out of the way" or worry that they "might not ever go back to it"? Why can't you just skip them permanently? Who's holding a gun to your head forcing you to play every Final Fantasy?

Personally, the first RPG I seriously played beginning to end (as opposed to just dabbling in Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy and the like) was Chrono Trigger, and it's still one of my very favorites. I certainly don't expect every RPG to be that good, and it doesn't kill my enjoyment of lesser RPGs because ridiculous, pointless thoughts like "Well, it's not as good as Chrono Trigger..." never pop into my head. I simply assess each game on its own.

Anyway, Xenosaga isn't a good start to the genre, as has been said, and Valkyrie Profile is even worse yet. (Valkyrie Profile is one of my very favorites, but it's basically an RPG for gamers who already love RPGs and want something innovative and complex.) Final Fantasy games are designed to attract the most mainstream audience possible (that is, it gets bought by more people who don't consider themselves big RPG fans than any other Japanese role-playing game/series), so it's not a bad place to start. The older ones will give you a pretty good idea of the stereotypical traditional RPG. If you want something even more quintessential for the genre, go with a Dragon Warrior/Quest, if you're up for a slow-paced, challenging RPG. But I'm not super crazy about those two series myself, so if you want my personal recommendations, I'd say Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, or a Star Ocean. Star Ocean may be a little overwhelmingly complex, but I think you'd appreciate the real-time action of its battle system. I recommend Star Ocean: The Second Story. Just be prepared for a long intro that you'll have to wade through.

[Jorpho]

I was waiting for a chance to post this.
http://chzsomuchpun.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-puns-play-all-the-roles.jpg

Anyway, I second the suggestion for Paper Mario. Its descendants, the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi games, are also excellent choices.

[substantial_snake]

This helps a lot. I didnt want to just shoot, I wanted to understand so I can have a start on what I was doing. Ok, another question, what is the reasoning behind the conversations and menu selections before each attack?

Conversations? You mean like the dialog in-game between characters outside of a battle or during battle? I haven't played any of the Xenosaga games but if your getting in-game dialog during a battle this early on then its probably a pesudo-tutorial explaining the very things your asking about here. If not then its just dialog between characters..which is an integral part of the JRPG experience and probably something you shouldn't skip over.

I'm assuming that Xenosaga uses a turn based type battle system and if so those menu selections determine what your character does during battle. Looking on youtube it seems like a pretty standard battle setup, so again just select what you want your character to do and they will do it, seems fairly simple at first glance.

JRPGs are for the most part about leading you through a story with game play mostly comprising of inventory management, leveling progression, and whatever battle system that particular game uses. Its more about watching a story with distinct characters unfold then button mashing action (for the most part) like most game genera so it that appeals to you push on. I'm told however that the Xenosaga series is not a very noob friendly game so I would suggest you try either Chrono Trigger or Star Ocean: The Second Story if you get burned on Xenosaga. Chrono Trigger is widely regarded as the best classic JRPG and is very friendly to new players of the genera with a basic plot and simple battle system and Star Ocean: The Second Story is a deeper game by far but has a much faster and more action oriented battle system then most JRPGs.


Edit: That breakdown Jorpho...is just awesome. :D

[FoxNtd]

I assumed he meant the Sega CD, but I guess not. A friend of mine used to call the Sega CD a Saturn for some reason, he forgot the name of it as he didn't play it too often anymore.

LOL

I know the difference between Mega CD and SS. :) But there is something that is rather sad. One day, some kid saw me playing a Duo-R and looked at it. Nevermind that it says (in English) PC ENGINE DUO-R on it, he says "Oh is that the Saturn? I haven't seen it in years!" What a pinhead. Somehow I doubt he has ever seen a Saturn on top of having no idea what a PCE is. :roll:

Oh, I also agree with the recommendation of Chrono Trigger. I played it lately and I had completely forgotten how quickly it progresses and for the most part it does not make you struggle with difficulty anywhere. Mario RPG is also a good recommendation. Star Ocean is good but I wonder if real-time combat can be overwhelming at first?

[j_factor]

http://chzsomuchpun.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-puns-play-all-the-roles.jpg

How is that a rougelike? It's not red at all.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I learned a lot in here.....What I meant by conversations is all the dialog before you execute a move but Im starting to understand now. you basically have to control every move....Is that right?

[kupomogli]

Huh? What the heck kind of logic is that? If someone is introduced to a genre with a bad game, then it'll probably scare them off the genre, never wanting to give it another try. I would venture to guess that 99% of the time that somebody gets into a genre new to them is because they play a game they really loved and then pursue the genre further to find another that they'll like just as much. Even if you stumble across some so-so ones along the way, the drive to find more great ones remains.

The same kind of logic that if you were to advise someone who has never played a game before you'd probably recommend them to play classic games over brand new games. If your first experience is something like Uncharted, Lords of Shadow, Devil May Cry, Armored Core 4, etc, then there's a low chance that you'd give the original Tomb Raider, Castlevania 64, Dragon's Valor, Armored Core, etc, a chance because of the archaic control, graphics, and gameplay systems.

Same thing with RPGs. If someone was to play the best RPGs, then they probably wouldn't give anything that isn't as good a chance.

[Aussie2B]

I'd recommend a classic game over a brand new game because the classic game is better, haha.

Again, your logic fails. Nobody gets into anything by starting with all the shitty stuff. And, again, if a game is crap, why does it ever have to be played? If someone doesn't feel like playing a game, for whatever reason, why can't they just skip it? Why must they come up with some elaborate scheme to plan out the order of playing to most tolerate the lame games?

[drunkninja]

I learned a lot in here.....What I meant by conversations is all the dialog before you execute a move but Im starting to understand now. you basically have to control every move....Is that right?

Correct. You select the move you want to perform and the character then performs that action. The strategy is using the right attacks for the situation, exploiting enemy weaknesses, and managing your team to ensure you always have the tools to deal with each battle.

[j_factor]

I learned a lot in here.....What I meant by conversations is all the dialog before you execute a move but Im starting to understand now. you basically have to control every move....Is that right?

Stop playing Xenosaga, and start playing something else. Play Final Fantasy IV. Or Super Mario RPG.

[stalepie]

I learned a lot in here.....What I meant by conversations is all the dialog before you execute a move but Im starting to understand now. you basically have to control every move....Is that right?

Right, you choose your attacks (which is often just "Attack") and then after everyone in your group has gone the enemies take their turn. The idea is that everything is based on stats or numbers -- how much hit points and mana you have left, how many more healing items you have left, and how strong your character is, how much attack power the sword has. It comes from Dungeons and Dragons, the old tabletop RPG. At one time computers were not complex enough to handle real-time battles of much depth, so the slow-paced nature of D&D was used -- plus people like to take all the time they need for strategy and thinking about the stats, as well as utilizing the element of chance. In an action-rpg things are much more based on the player's skill, like any other game.

One difference that crept in was with Final Fantasy VII in the late 90s where the fight sequences became very long and animated with dramatic effects. If you play one of the remakes of Dragon Quest on the DS for instance you'll notice how fast the fights are and you can even speed them up in the settings.

Watch this video to see a glimpse at the origin of this type of game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U5gnCG0AUI*

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhv_aldcoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sRrHs5dXY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKskHL8Vppc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_role-playing_game

Sorry no doubt that's overwhelming, but sometimes other people reading the thread enjoy such links.


* Actually The Black Onyx may be a better point of origin for Japan, see here: http://www.edge-online.com/features/making-japans-first-rpg
and here: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/technology/how-henk-rogers-brought-role-playing-games-to-japan-194574.html
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364J35Sk3zM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLBA380FBFBD153A6D

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

OK,I been stopped Xenosaga. I also wanted to know is Okami An RPG or action. This game took almost an hour to get to anything. Its not that I just want to get to shooting and stabbing, I just needed to know what I was doing. I said a looooooooooooong time ago that I am really bad at video gaming but I want to get better. I cant get into the 45 button controlling fast action games like COD and those type of games....

[stalepie]

Okami might try your patience as well, because there's a lot of talking, including a long intro. But it has beautiful graphics and it's an action-adventure like Zelda.

I think once you get into it it'll be good. Probably not that hard, either.

[Daria]

Oh please, start with any of them. This is not a complicated or particularly difficult genre. If you have the patience to read, you have the patience to play an RPG. But, if you find yourself getting lost now, just steer clear of just about everything on the PS2. This was the time period when just about every other game was trying set it's self apart by reinventing the turn based combat system. You'll find hyper-gauges and adrenaline-bars up the wazoo. Go for PSOne titles, they'll run on your PS2/PS3 what-have-you and they're all pretty basic.

[kupomogli]

Nobody gets into anything by starting with all the shitty stuff.

I understand that. It's why I'm not recommending Valkyrie Profile.

[Daria]

I understand that. It's why I'm not recommending Valkyrie Profile.

The original or the sequel? First Fallout and now Valkyrie Profile. I'm starting to question your taste in games. :P

Ribbing aside, VP has one of the best premises for any RPG I've ever played. Collecting the souls of departed warriors to fight for Norse Armageddeon is ten shades of badass.

[Tokimemofan]

You picked one hell of a game to start the genre. I am an expert when it comes to these and Xenosaga is one of the harder ones in recent years, I've had my share of trouble beating it.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

You picked one hell of a game to start the genre. I am an expert when it comes to these and Xenosaga is one of the harder ones in recent years, I've had my share of trouble beating it.

Thats the thing. I had no idea what I was doing. I haven't played a video game since Beavis and Butt head for SNES.... I got into collecting 5 Months ago and just started randomly picking games. I have learned a lot from being on here and you tube reviews..

[Daria]

Thats the thing. I had no idea what I was doing. I haven't played a video game since Beavis and Butt head for SNES.... I got into collecting 5 Months ago and just started randomly picking games. I have learned a lot from being on here and you tube reviews..

You started collecting games before you actually wanted to play them?

*blinks*

Did Beavis and Butthead just happened to be the last game you played like a year or two ago, or was it current gen at the time?

And how does that even work? "Ugh my wallet's heavy with bundles of cash. I know, I'll by these lumps of plastic in the pretty boxes. Oooooh, I can play them too? Sweet!"

[Tokimemofan]

Thats the thing. I had no idea what I was doing. I haven't played a video game since Beavis and Butt head for SNES.... I got into collecting 5 Months ago and just started randomly picking games. I have learned a lot from being on here and you tube reviews..

I would suggest getting Final Fantasy VII, the story is a bit slow for the first 10 hours but is a good starting point, Final Fantasy IV V VI IX or X are good too. If you want to try Chrono Trigger, avoid the PlayStation version, it has the worst load times I have ever seen in any game.

[Gameguy]

Nobody mentioned it yet but there's Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure which is aimed at those new to RPGs. It has mixed reviews, but the negative ones basically complain that the game is too easy for experienced players. It's like complaining that Math Blaster sucks because the math is all grade school level which is too easy for adults. The DS version plays differently compared to the Playstation original, I'm not sure which is better to start with.

[Aussie2B]

As much as I love Rhapsody, I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point since it's like a super-girly broadway musical. A lot of male gamers are put off by its style.

[tomaitheous]

I dunno. The OP's... posts sound a lot like bullshit to me. How can you not figure out an RPG battle system or game in general within at least 20-30 minutes of playing the actual game? Seriously. It's pretty damn easy, even if you never played an RPG before. If I'm wrong and the OP isn't bullshitting you guys, well.. then that's pretty embarrassing on his/her part that they can't even figure out the basics of how to use the battle system in a J-RPG (sorry, but that's the honest truth).

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I dunno. The OP's... posts sound a lot like bullshit to me. How can you not figure out an RPG battle system or game in general within at least 20-30 minutes of playing the actual game? Seriously. It's pretty damn easy, even if you never played an RPG before. If I'm wrong and the OP isn't bullshitting you guys, well.. then that's pretty embarrassing on his/her part that they can't even figure out the basics of how to use the battle system in a J-RPG (sorry, but that's the honest truth).

I love when people think they know things.... If there are people on here who say they are experts on a subject matter, and they had a hard time then it must not be too easy. If you have read my other threads, I just started playing and collecting games a few months ago. I have found that people who say "its easy, all you have to do is, and anybody can do it" are usually tho ones who aren't that skilled at many things. There was no reason for personal attacks at all. everyone has added very helpful info then you come along....

[tomaitheous]

I love when people think they know things.... If there are people on here who say they are experts on a subject matter, and they had a hard time then it must not be too easy. If you have read my other threads, I just started playing and collecting games a few months ago. I have found that people who say "its easy, all you have to do is, and anybody can do it" are usually tho ones who aren't that skilled at many things. There was no reason for personal attacks at all. everyone has added very helpful info then you come along....

To the bolden text: In general, yes. RPGs on a whole can be complex and/or increase complexity as you progress. But your questions are so far removed from even approaching such levels of complex aspects in RPGs. I've seen a lot of posts from a lot of gamers over the years. New gamers (new to gaming or gaming genre) and veterans. And I've seen people discuss or ask; what's so fun about RPGs or what's the best RPG to get into the genre (for those that never were initial fans of the genre BITD but are willing to give it a try now). And all sorts of related questions about RPGs (general or specific).
But statements like this:


Ok, another question, what is the reasoning behind the conversations and menu selections before each attack?

I learned a lot in here.....What I meant by conversations is all the dialog before you execute a move but Im starting to understand now. you basically have to control every move....Is that right?

I've never seen anyone ask such obvious questions (with the exception of trolls trying to pull one over on forums members). It's not like you're asking specifics about attack attributes, melee vs magic, strategy, etc. Your questions are akin to asking what is the purpose of Mario jumping on enemies and if you needed to do this each time you wish to attack, etc. I stand by post. It might be a bit harsh but it's honest (if it was personal attack I'd calling you an retard or idiot and such). When my son was 6 years old, he played his first RPG (FF Mystic Quest). He could barely even read (1st grade) and yet he figured out the battle system on his own within a few tries. He understood that selecting a command in a menu resulted in an action against the enemy or himself or party member (healing/etc) and so on. I assume, by your actual writing in your posts, that you're older than 6 years old. At minimum, I assume you're a grown adult or at least a teen. So such questions could easily be figured out by spending just a 5-10 minutes in a battle system of a typical RPG. So that leaves just two possibilities (IMO): you're trolling or you really are telling the truth (thus the embarrassing part IMO).

[Edmond Dantes]

I'm not sure how someone can be "trolling" by asking questions. And just because some people figure out RPGs easily doesn't mean everyone does. Might as well suggest everyone can beat Contra just because James Rolfe did.

[AceAerosmith]

RPGs are like the Bible, both are great if you're having trouble sleeping.