Jaguar spotted in the wild

[Genjackson]

Yo, just found a Jaguar in the box with two games also in the box and two controllers. Dude wants $150 for it. I'd have to drive about an hour and a half to get it, so i'm trying to get him to go down to $120. It's still a lot on my budget, but I've always wanted one and this one has the box.

[sloan]

I've had my Jag since 1995 and it is a fun system, but I don't know if it is $150 worth of fun in today's dollars.

See if the guy will come down to $80, then work your way back toward your upper limit of $120.

[Genjackson]

I've had my Jag since 1995 and it is a fun system, but I don't know if it is $150 worth of fun in today's dollars.

See if the guy will come down to $80, then work your way back toward your upper limit of $120.

Nice, I started at 80 already, great minds think alike. My last text to him said 120 tops. I honestly don't think its worth $80 dollars of fun. I would just love to have one in the collection.

[Aussie2B]

Don't make any sudden movements.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

I saw a loose Jaguar Controller in a Comic shop last friday

[wiggyx]

Yo, just found a Jaguar in the box with two games also in the box and two controllers. Dude wants $150 for it. I'd have to drive about an hour and a half to get it, so i'm trying to get him to go down to $120. It's still a lot on my budget, but I've always wanted one and this one has the box.

You gotta figure an hour and a half would mean about 70-90 miles depending on how much is city and how much is highway. At roughly 4 bucks a gallon, depending on what you drive, you're looking at about 12 bucks in gas, not to mention your time.

I'd aim for 90 shipped, tops. Unless you want to see it in person before buying, which is never a bad idea. In which case, I'd say 70-80 bucks. They just aren't that valuable at this point.

[o.pwuaioc]

Don't make any sudden movements.

Hilarious! LOL

[RCM]

I paid $50 for a NIB Jaguar system about 10 years ago. Which games are you getting? That would be helpful to know too.

[Gameguy]

The Atari Jaguar is a natural repellent against Cougars. If they approach and see the Jaguar, you'll hear them cry out "Eww Nerd" and return to their natural habitat to stalk other prey. Thank you Atari for keeping us safe.

[Leo_A]

I paid far less than $150 for a brand new Jaguar with the Cybermorph pack-in from Songbird Productions 6 or 7 years ago. I think it was even less than $120 in fact.

Wouldn't surprise me if you could locate a brand new console for around $100 pretty easily online. Best Electronics is selling the Cybermorph bundle new for $150 and are honoring the original 90 day warranty.

$70-$80 is about the maximum I'd pay if I were you unless the included games are decent ones that go for a few dollars to purchase seperately (Like Aliens vs. Predator). If they're junk like Cybermorph and Checkered Flag, you're on the edge of overpaying even at $70-$80 (Although with the games being boxed and a 2nd controller, I don't think you're being ripped off quite yet even if the games are junk).

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I paid $50 for a NIB Jaguar system about 10 years ago. Which games are you getting? That would be helpful to know too.

I sold a NIB one a few years ago for about the same ... I'm sort of shocked that the market value has actually gone up.

Looks like they're going for $150 or more boxed on eBay in completed auctions...

What's driving those prices? Is it just natural supply/demand?

[o.pwuaioc]

Retro video game prices as a whole has gone up dramatically in 10 years. I wish I had been a serious collector then instead of just now...

[Leo_A]

Sources of new Jaguar consoles, once plentiful, have slowly been drying up. Just like what happened with the CD attachment a decade or so ago where it went from being economical NIB to costing a good bit just for a used unit today.

All the NOS dried up. Same thing is slowly happening with consoles. Several sources of new Jaguar consoles are all sold out now and several of the remaining ones seem to have upped their prices in recent years.

Prices of classic games haven't changed too dramatically over the past 10 years from what I've seen.

[goatdan]

Sources of new Jaguar consoles, once plentiful, have slowly been drying up. Just like what happened with the CD attachment a decade or so ago where it went from being economical NIB to costing a good bit just for a used unit today.

All the NOS dried up. Same thing is slowly happening with consoles. Several sources of new Jaguar consoles are all sold out now and several of the remaining ones seem to have upped their prices in recent years.

Yup, this is pretty much it. Essentially what has happened is this -- it used to be that you could buy Jaguar consoles new all day for $40 shipped to you in lots. Those places that had the consoles that cheap dried up of their supplies, and once that supply was gone the prices for Jaguar systems have steadily rose since then. It helps that there are a LOT of games out there that were greatly overproduced that can be had cheaply, so the higher cost of entry with the Jaguar is offset with the extremely low price for a significant chunk of the library, although most of that sucks. It also doesn't hurt that you can generally buy yourself a console and 10 games, and then sell them all for about the same price.

A few Jaguar titles have become stupid expensive lately, but I think that is driven by over 50% of the library being really easy and cheap to acquire.

The same stuff has happened with other consoles. A few years ago, I was able to purchase 32X consoles all day for $20 in box, and I actually apparently got the last shipment of those when we bought about 50 of them. Started selling them at $30 apiece and they weren't selling at all, but about six months later when we found out we couldn't get any more and upped our price to $40 just to try to make them last, I think we sold about 25 of them in a month, which is just ridiculous. Boxed 32X consoles still are worth more than that, but again, you have a significant portion of the tiny library that was overproduced and extremely easy to find now.


Prices of classic games haven't changed too dramatically over the past 10 years from what I've seen.

Depends on what you're looking at. *Certain* Jaguar titles have been on the rise, but not many. The one market that has really taken off is high end NES collecting, and I think because that has been so public, it drives a lot of the perception out there. There definitely has been a raise in certain items there (mainly nice boxed titles), but beyond that it's been a pretty usual, fluctuating market.

I guess it's like anything though, certain things have gone down in price (2600 titles) while others have gone up. Nothing new in the world of collectibles :)

[Leo_A]

Depends on what you're looking at. *Certain* Jaguar titles have been on the rise, but not many. The one market that has really taken off is high end NES collecting, and I think because that has been so public, it drives a lot of the perception out there. There definitely has been a raise in certain items there (mainly nice boxed titles), but beyond that it's been a pretty usual, fluctuating market.

I guess it's like anything though, certain things have gone down in price (2600 titles) while others have gone up. Nothing new in the world of collectibles :)

Oh, there's certainly exceptions both ways, but I was talking about in general. Things go down (Such as 2600 prices now that many of those fans have what they want or relived their memories and moved on) while other things go up. NES interest rising in recent years for instance thanks to thousands of kids that are now adults with disposable income allowing them to fulfill childhood dreams.

But average it all out and I haven't seen significant swings in either direction. Classic game prices certainly haven't risen dramatically. Just look at the threads around here for evidence of that. Every few weeks it seems you'll have someone popping up expressing awe about how prices have risen so much lately. And a few weeks later, you'll see someone doing just the opposite.

Prices vary a ton, but in general, I don't think this hobby is any more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

[Badhornet]

I paid $50 for a NIB Jaguar system about 10 years ago. Which games are you getting? That would be helpful to know too.

Same thing...I paid about the same for mine about 7 years ago. Seems like 100 dollars and up is the norm now

[Genjackson]

Got it for 120 and i'm meeting the guy thirty minutes away from where I work. http://louisville.craigslist.org/vgm/2950870602.html I lied on the 2 controller thing, it only has one, but it does have three games instead of two. I can't tell what one of the games is and the other two are commons, but are CIB. I'm happy with my purchase. They are going for more than that on ebay.

[sloan]

With ebay BIN prices going crazy and driving everything upward these days, I don't think you did so bad.

There are some good games on the system.

Alien vs. Predator
Tempest 2000
Ultra Vortek
NBA Jam T.E. - the closest to arcade of any NBA JAM home port I have seen.
Cybermorph - some trash this game, but I really like it.

[Leo_A]

The loose game is Cybermorph, the console's pack in.

You could've gotten a new Jaguar with Cybermorph for just a few more dollars and the two boxed games are extremely cheap to acquire. But if you're happy, it sounds like a good deal to me.

Time to acquire some fun games for it though that pushed the console a bit. Cybermorph is hated by quite a few people and Zool 2 and Pitfall are solid games, but they don't exactly show off what the console can do.

If you like sprite scaling racers, Super Burnout is a great game (And my favorite release on the console). Tempest 2000 is also a must and was at its best on the Jaguar although it saw releases elsewhere. And if you don't mind old first person shooters, Alien vs. Predator was one of the best from the early days of the genre and is still a Jaguar exclusive to this day. Can be hard to get into it these days though and it's a long and hard game.

[sloan]

And if you don't mind old first person shooters, Alien vs. Predator was one of the best from the early days of the genre and is still a Jaguar exclusive to this day.

Actually AVP was released on SNES also, though not in FPS format.

[understatement]

Actually AVP was released on SNES also, though not in FPS format.

If you’re going to make that argument at least go with Aliens versus Predator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_versus_Predator_(video_game)) (for PC) though it’s not identical to Alien vs Predator (for Jaguar) it’s made by the same development team and has all the same game play elements.

[Genjackson]

I have a hard time buying games off ebay. I enjoy the hunt for games. I like finding stuff at thrift stores, yard sales and flea markets. I got this off craigslist, but its still a lot more authentic to go get it instead of having it shipped to me.

[Leo_A]

Actually AVP was released on SNES also, though not in FPS format.

It's a completely different game.

Heck, not only are they by two completely different developers like Understatement already said, they're not even published by the same company. The only thing they share are being based on the same IP.

Aliens Versus Predator on the PC is also a different game, although it certainly is the spirtual successor to the Jaguar game.

[goatdan]

Tempest 2000 is also a must and was at its best on the Jaguar although it saw releases elsewhere.

Yeah. Tempest 2000 is so much better on the Jaguar, it's amazing. They tweaked tiny things when they ported it, and I think it broke the whole game. T2K is a good reason all by itself to own a Jaguar I think.

A lot of people like Iron Soldier, it's a 3D mech simulator. I LOVE Brutal Sports Football, it doesn't take advantage of the hardware at all, but it is a really fun brawling sports title. Flip Out is a really fun puzzler. Zoop is a fun puzzler that is done by far the best on the Jaguar. And that is just the cheap stuff. A lot of the newer stuff is really good too.

If you'd like, I have a bunch of games in stock at the GOAT Store :)

[Leo_A]

A lot of people like Iron Soldier, it's a 3D mech simulator. I LOVE Brutal Sports Football, it doesn't take advantage of the hardware at all, but it is a really fun brawling sports title. Flip Out is a really fun puzzler. Zoop is a fun puzzler that is done by far the best on the Jaguar. And that is just the cheap stuff. A lot of the newer stuff is really good too.

I like Iron Soldier a lot. The sequel is also a nice game.

How is Zoop done so much better? Watching videos, I don't really see any differences to the SuperNes version that I own.

[Suikoman444]

The one game I'm personally looking to try out someday for the Jaguar is Towers II. Apparently the only RPG for it and it goes for fairly high prices when it goes for sale, but I keep missing the opportunities.

[InsaneDavid]

How is Zoop done so much better? Watching videos, I don't really see any differences to the SuperNes version that I own.

I can't explain it more than the game just has a different flow on the Jaguar than the other versions. Maybe goatdan has some specifics but when I had my Jaguar, playing the Jaguar version of Zoop almost felt like a different game than it does on the other platforms.


If you like sprite scaling racers, Super Burnout is a great game (And my favorite release on the console).

Possibly the most overlooked game on the platform.

[MachineGex]

One of my favorite games is Power Drive Rally! If you like games like RockNRoll Racing, RC ProAm, Micro Machines........then you'll dig Power Drive Rally!!!!

[Gameguy]

Didn't Rayman originate on the Jaguar? I thought it came out on the Jaguar first and then got ported everywhere else. Might be good to play it on the original system it was designed for.

[A Black Falcon]

I can't explain it more than the game just has a different flow on the Jaguar than the other versions. Maybe goatdan has some specifics but when I had my Jaguar, playing the Jaguar version of Zoop almost felt like a different game than it does on the other platforms.
Isn't it virtually the only console version of Zoop that actually saves your scores?

[goatdan]

I like Iron Soldier a lot. The sequel is also a nice game.

Yeah, but a very expensive game. I actually don't really dig the first one, but really love the second.


How is Zoop done so much better? Watching videos, I don't really see any differences to the SuperNes version that I own.

From what I recall, and after I fell in love with it on the Jaguar I started getting it for everything and was really disappointed with it everywhere else, the biggest issues were that the Jaguar music is far better than the other versions, and the main thing is that it is just a hair more responsive. So, when you flit around the game shooting things, you can really move nicely. The other versions seem just a little more rigid. I'm also pretty sure it is the only version that saves scores, and with a puzzle game like that, I find that almost necessary for play. I don't know, I really like the game on the Jaguar, and I really don't pretty much everywhere else. *shrug* I guess your mileage may vary.


Didn't Rayman originate on the Jaguar? I thought it came out on the Jaguar first and then got ported everywhere else. Might be good to play it on the original system it was designed for.

It sorta did -- it was originally announced for the Jag, but it came out on the PSX like one week earlier than on the Jaguar. I don't remember the reason that Ubisoft gave, but there is a contingent of people who believe Sony paid a lot to make it not come out of the Jag first. It's a VERY good game though, although it plays basically the exact same for both the Jag and the PSX, but the Jag version costs like three times as much, so I'd actually suggest playing the Playstation version if you want to.

[Yago]

I was very lucky and got a Jaguar NIB from EB games at the end of it's run for $29.99. I bought 2 CD untis still NIB for $40 for both. Most of my games and controllers as well as team tap are all NIB. Play NBA JAM with a bunch of friends in the big head mode. Fun as heck! And nothing can beat a great game of Brutal Sports Football. Although I prefer the Amiga version it's still a great port.